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Message started by jberzins on Nov 20th, 2008 at 10:09am

Title: verapamil dosage?
Post by jberzins on Nov 20th, 2008 at 10:09am
i had been without this hell for close to three years. about a month ago it started again, not sure why. anyways my neurologist has me taking about 140mg verapamil a day. he also has me on oxygen setting is 8 and if insurance feels nice i get 9 maxalt a month. im going to see the doctor again today. hope to get him to up my oxygen regulator. question is should i try to up the verapamil as well, i think i am getting to the end of this cycle. at least that is what i keep telling myself.

Title: Re: verapamil dosage?
Post by Kevin_M on Nov 20th, 2008 at 10:43am

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should i try to up the verapamil



It's good sometimes to keep a log or diary of hits that can be shown to the doctor for decisions.  If you don't feel any side effects and the hits are still regular, mention to your doc the verapamil at 140 doesn't seem to be sufficiently effective and would like to see if it can, at 140 it's unlikely to be.  But if your cycle is becoming less active at this time it would be hard to tell, however a one month cycle would be a short one.
 In any event, do express how often you are having to abort and the pain level, prevention would be preferable.

My doc wrote 8Lpm also but the oxygen company person was familiar with clusters and located me a 15.  May not happen that way but regulators are easily obtainable.

Title: Re: verapamil dosage?
Post by Bob_Johnson on Nov 20th, 2008 at 10:55am
Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.  

Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.

   Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).
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Title: Re: verapamil dosage?
Post by Kevin_M on Nov 20th, 2008 at 11:43am
Thanks once again, Bob.  If effective, this is basically the deal with verapamil.


Bob Johnson wrote on Nov 20th, 2008 at 10:55am:
We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly.


Title: Re: verapamil dosage?
Post by jberzins on Nov 20th, 2008 at 12:04pm
he has suggested adding lithium to the equation, any opinions on that?

Title: Re: verapamil dosage?
Post by Kevin_M on Nov 20th, 2008 at 6:03pm

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...any opinions on that?


First impression is, the application of verapamil was not stepped anywhere from the first dosage of 140 to explore its capability with you.  Reiterating from Bob's post:


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...steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent...


Your feedback to the doc concerning effectiveness and side effects should direct this type of gradual application, objective: to find.

Responses from experience with lithium can be helpfully added if the thread name were perhaps extended to include lithium so that those who know and would contribute best will see it.


*** there's a lithium thread going now on the meds and treatment board.


Title: Re: verapamil dosage?
Post by Cathi_Pierce on Nov 20th, 2008 at 7:06pm
J-
In most cases, Verapamil at 160 is quite low, but there is no formula that works for every CH'er. Generally, a neuro will start low and titrate until the appropriate dosage for that individual is found.
There are a few here who have Lithium added to the Vera, and at least 1 who only uses the Lith. Certainly it is something to bring to your Neuro's attention.
Please keep us posted, and
PF to you tonight-
Cathi

Title: Re: verapamil dosage?
Post by jberzins on Nov 21st, 2008 at 8:51am
he has bumped up my vera i will see how it goes.
thanks for all your help.

Title: Re: verapamil dosage?
Post by kevmd on Nov 21st, 2008 at 11:59am
I can take up to 1200 mg verap a day.  When things start feeling a bit more funky than normal, I add litium or use it to replace verap.  It has helped alot.  Keep a log.  You may see better results in about a week as your higher dose sets in

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