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We may still have a woman vice-president...

It's hard for me to imagine but there just ain't no party loyalist like Hillary. I'm tired of it already.......

No matter your party, this is historic.

Charlie

'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.

I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.'

- Barack Obama

Nuff said about that ticket!

Unless you want to bring up how Hillary was under sniper fire.....LMMFAO!!!!  ;D

Do you think Obama doesn't know the definition of the word Arkancide?

wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2008 at 8:12pm:

Do you think Obama doesn't know the definition of the word Arkancide?

Does he know how many states are in the country?.....LMAO  ;D

Charlie wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2008 at 7:48pm:

It's hard for me to imagine but there just ain't no party loyalist like Hillary. I'm tired of it already....... Charlie

What do you mean, Charlie?  I am having trouble understanding your meaning.
You mean she would do it as a selfless act just for the sake of the democratic party?

wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2008 at 8:12pm:

Do you think Obama doesn't know the definition of the word Arkancide?

I don't care who you are--that's some funny stuff.   ;D

Best,

George

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:

Major William S. Barkley Jr.
Captain Scott J. Reynolds
Sgt. Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel
Major General William Robertson
Col. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly
Spec. Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan

BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2008 at 8:49pm:

Charlie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2008 at 7:48pm: It's hard for me to imagine but there just ain't no party loyalist like Hillary. I'm tired of it already....... Charlie What do you mean, Charlie?  I am having trouble understanding your meaning. You mean she would do it as a selfless act just for the sake of the democratic party?

Yeah. I can see her doing it but egad! That seems to me incredibly hard. There is the remote possibility that she could run again but I have my doubts.......still she is a Clinton. I like the theory about her running for New York State Govenor but she may just be interested in National stuff.

Charlie

Never mind the Democrat ticket (I'm Irish, so I can't vote), let's celebrate the popularity of Linux on these pages.

I've never seen so many Linuxers in one place (cept in Linux forums), so my nomination is Hil-Linux Rodham GnOmebama.

Yep, folks, even I'm surprised at the sort of things I can write when I'm PF.

Where is good ol Matt when you need him, Huh Charlie?


You must be going through withdrawals.

For those who don't know who Matt was...  Nobody, but nobody debated like Matt and Charlie and still remained friends and kept it civil.  In fact they both got an award for it at a convention.   lol

Jonny hit the nail on the head.  It's not hard to imagine Hillary stepping into the presidency through some accidental death/assassination.  Happens a lot around the Clintons.  A lot.

Personally, my choice is none of the above, especially Obama. Gives me the creeps. Black, white Arab or whatever. Politician all the way, not much different than Hillary, but Hillary will salute our Flag.

All I really wish to say is we all need someone, or some Congress to help all of us survive whatever the furture holds. Yes history will be made, but it must not be made lightly, for our very lives can depend on it.

Scares me, Don

I love it that the conspiracy stuff still pops up whenever Hillary does something. The internet is better than wacko bumper stickers.

I have white supremacist acquaintance that I am forced to deal with now and then. How I would love to see his reaction to Obama. This is a guy that hasn't seen any of Steven Spielberg'a movies because he is a "liberal Jew." He's such a joy to know and it's something one wouldn't expect from a book collector. Yikes.

Charlie

It ain't the same without Matt, Linda. Thanks for the reminder. It's not every day that two debaters get plaques attesting their contributions in stirring up the board debates.

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Charlie

I miss Matt too.... had a few "conversations" with him and Pop over lunch (Matt on one side - Pop and I on the other) - interesting to say the least.. :)

Tomorrow I'm off to the Texas Demo convention in Austin. Should be interesting now that Obama went over the 211 mark last night. He left a message on Hillary's machine for her to call him back... can hardly wait to hear what that was all about.

But you guys can't really be supporting McCain?  

One thing Obama said in his "victory" speech last night that made sense was, "McCain challenges me to go to Iraq - I challenge him to go to Souix City, Nashville, New Orleans, and Detroit and see what people THERE are suffereing!" (or something like that). THAT made sense to me.

I'm not an Obama supporter, but .... guess we've got him and I'm just pulling now for Hillary to be on the ticket (let the bashing begin, but I'm for the lady regarldless of what anyone thinks). I've had enough of BUSH politics to last me a lifetime.... We need to get our country back.

But until people get involved we're gonna STILL have the same problems. When we send someone to Washington it's up to US to see that they do the job we HIRE them to do. If we don't it's OUR fault.

Hugs BD

I don't particularly like McCain, but it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for Obama.

I think I'll change my name to *none of the above* and run for president.  Think I could win?

If Hillary gets on the ticket, I hope Obama's life insurance is paid up.

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deltadarlin wrote on Jun 4^th, 2008 at 8:52am:

I don't particularly like McCain, but it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for Obama. I think I'll change my name to *none of the above* and run for president.  Think I could win?

AMEN!!! ;)

aprilbee wrote on Jun 4^th, 2008 at 11:37am:

deltadarlin wrote on Jun 4th, 2008 at 8:52am: I don't particularly like McCain, but it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for Obama. I think I'll change my name to *none of the above* and run for president.  Think I could win? AMEN!!! ;)

I think we should have a re-do and get all new candidates.  Because that hell will by all means freeze over before I vote for that Obama creature.

[size=14]The hate the Clinton bloggers never fail to amuse.

As to the "none of the above" comments; my neighbor whose political life centers around killing Roe v. Wade, is encouraging New Yorkers to vote none of the above, Barr, or Nader because New York is a Democratic state and that it's safe to vote that way. Naturally, all it takes is convincing enough of us to do that and open the door to McCain and what he hopes will tip the court away from "legislating from the bench," hoping that we don't see that legislating from the bench is exactly what he wants. Abortion fights have wrecked politics.

Charlie

I am here to tell ya we are goin to Hell in a Handbasket and it doesn't matter who gets to be president...If McCain gets in. I hope McCain doesnt pick my ole favorite Governor Romney so he can really make us broke like he did to MA... What are the choices here?  Same old same old or History making change... ?    You decide.  I just know that my pockets are getting shallow and if gas goes any higher I'm gettin a horse.

love ree

ps that would be the animal jonny dear

What's so great about history making change if that change shoves us farther down the road towards socialism and eventually communism?  We've been tiptoeing that way for years, but this election has the potential to catapult us farther down the path of ruin for the country.

Nikita Khrushchev's threat is slowly coming true.  In 1962, he stated

"We will take America without firing a shot.......We will BURY YOU!

"We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism. We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within".
-Nikita  Khrushchev, Chairman of the Communist Party (of the USSR)

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened."
-Norman Thomas, six-time Socialist Party presidential candidate and one of the founders of the ACLU.

"Democracy is indispensable to socialism."
-Vladimir Lenin

"The goal of socialism is communism."
-Vladimir Lenin


It is time to give up party loyalty.  The parties are not what they used to be.  Republicans are more like the old Democrats these days.  Democrats have become Socialists.  Forget the name of the political party you and your father and your father's father always voted for and really study the issues and the candidates. Take stock of your values and compare them to those of the candidates.  

Sadly, this election, like most of the recent past, will be one of selecting the lesser of two evils.  I hope everyone puts all the media hype aside and REALLY takes a close look at the candidates, where they have been and how they got there, what decisions they have made, what they have stood for in the past and where they say they are going in the future.

[i] Forget the name of the political party you and your father and your father's father always voted for and really study the issues and the candidates. Take stock of your values and compare them to those of the candidates.  

Sadly, this election, like most of the recent past, will be one of selecting the lesser of two evils.  I hope everyone puts all the media hype aside and REALLY takes a close look at the candidates, where they have been and how they got there, what decisions they have made, what they have stood for in the past and where they say they are going in the future. [/i]

Now THAT makes sense Gator.......

wrote on Jun 5^th, 2008 at 12:22am:

What's so great about history making change if that change shoves us farther down the road towards socialism and eventually communism?  We've been tiptoeing that way for years, but this election has the potential to catapult us farther down the path of ruin for the country. Nikita Khrushchev's threat is slowly coming true.  In 1962, he stated "We will take America without firing a shot.......We will BURY YOU! "We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism. We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within". -Nikita  Khrushchev, Chairman of the Communist Party (of the USSR) "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened." -Norman Thomas, six-time Socialist Party presidential candidate and one of the founders of the ACLU. "Democracy is indispensable to socialism." -Vladimir Lenin "The goal of socialism is communism." -Vladimir Lenin It is time to give up party loyalty.  The parties are not what they used to be.  Republicans are more like the old Democrats these days.  Democrats have become Socialists.  Forget the name of the political party you and your father and your father's father always voted for and really study the issues and the candidates. Take stock of your values and compare them to those of the candidates.   Sadly, this election, like most of the recent past, will be one of selecting the lesser of two evils.  I hope everyone puts all the media hype aside and REALLY takes a close look at the candidates, where they have been and how they got there, what decisions they have made, what they have stood for in the past and where they say they are going in the future.

I remember those words Mike.  Sadly, Americia is being eaten alive fron the inside out.  Socialism is a cancer that once it gains a foothold is very hard to get rid of.  Many of the democrats in congress we have today are true socialists.  In the 30's and 40's communisim's toe got in our doorway, in the 50's and 60's the toe became a foot.  It started with the schools then the newspapers then TV.  Go look what is tought in the universities and what is considered acceptable speach and thought there!  They are nothing more than indoctrination centers!  Sadly, the grade schools and Jr & Sr high schools are becoming more and more brainwashing centers.  Kids get out of there and can not read and write but they know what is politically correct!

-P.

And "We the People" are just letting them have more and more power. The wiretapping stuff -- (sound like KGB???). I remember when Nikita said all that stuff and we just laughed (not laughing now).

Unless and until the American people WAKE UP and take an interest in OUR country (and not just sit around and BITCH about what HAS happened) it's just gonna get worse.

I agree about party loyalty. One is as bad as the other. We keep electing the one who tells the best lie.

Our kids are not being educated - they're being indoctrionated (sp) in our schools because we don't "insist" they be taught the basics. We don't work with them at home to make sure they're learing what we were taught (oh I know - we work and we're just too tired). We look UP to higher authorities (some who are dumber than frogs) and take THEIR word that they are RIGHT about things that we should know are wrong because they are in a "position".

My dad used to say "You can't fight City Hall." but over the years I've disproved that theory a number of times. Now I'm not saying you don't have to "pick" your fights and some you're not going to win right off the bat, but each one of us can make a difference if we just persist in 'trying' to change the status quo. But it takes gettin' off our apathetic butts and trying.....

I guess I was just born argumentative, but I've never understood anyone who would sit around and have dirt thrown on them when they could stand up and throw it back. I KNOW the names of my Senators, Congressman (state and Fed) secretaries (and that's who gets things done) and THEY know me cause I call, write, e-mail frequently and let them know how I feel. If everyone did that, they'd earn their keep and maybe get something done. If not - unelect them and get someone in there who WILL do something.

Off soapbox....  Hugs BD

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if hillary does get in there i'm curios to see how she's going to pay back that $20,000,000 on a $100,000 a year job.

US Congress Voting Record on Domestic OIl Production

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Good lord

    I am tired of paying to wipe people's asses. I'd vote for Condy  Rice  before I'd vote for these dumbasses. If you think health care is expensive now, wait until it's free. If you hire a lawyer, you better have a good reason, other wise you pay. We have become so "I deserve this" it's been disgusting. It's pretty hard to blame the businesses when you are the dumbass that signed the lease that you couldn’t afford. YOU are the one person that is ultimately responsible for your actions. It's time people pulled their head out of their asses.

The Mike that will stand down now.

Man O man, does Obama have ANY friends that are not terrorists or Racists?

Heres a new one.....LOL ......(Pssst,Obama is a muslim!)

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The video [ABC News].
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United States Flag Code
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Pledge of Allegiance and national anthem

* The Pledge of Allegiance all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;
* When the national anthem is played or sung;

(a) Designation. - The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b) Conduct During Playing. - During a rendition of the national anthem (1) when the flag is displayed (A) all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart; (B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and (C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; and (2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.


Snopes.com link:

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Here is one of those things where a common sense is needed. If this were 100% Kosher, this thing would have been brought out at every GOP speech, blog, TV interview and in print. Something ain't right here or it would be everywhere, not just online.

Every now and then you bring up the Commie and Socialist rants about Democrats and candidates. Ever since Ronald Reagan, this country had tipped so far from Socialism and of course Communism, that the two doctrines had never been weaker. Reagan, Bush, Clinton (welfare reform and the firestorm Hillary created on health care) are examples of this weakness. But, you can thank George W. for rekindling the interest in lots of government programs and its sticking its nose in our lives. Some of it was Dubya's violation of the Constitution but a lot comes from the reaction to his complete lack of competence and creating such a great divide between CEOs and the poor. It's never been so great and it creates interest in government controls. Allowing drug companies to run the FDA has finally brought about serious demand for socailized medicine. We are likely to get it and once it's done, it will be political suicide for any party to tinker with it. Fine with me and you can thank George Bush's war on the middle class for this development. He's the best friend socialists have.

Charlie

Here's one of Bush Jr using the memory of 9/11 to wipe his feet.

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And here is one of Bush Jr desecrating the flag

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Hillary Clinton became the first First Lady to testify before a grand jury when she was subpoenaed by the Whitewater grand jury.

Hillary Clinton...
* Took a $100,000 bribe, camouflaged as futures trades, from Tyson Foods Inc. At issue was a $100,000 windfall from cattle futures after a $1,000 investment.
* Speculated in Health Care industry futures while overseeing legislative reform of same.
* Failed to correct false testimony by co-defendant Ira Magaziner in Health Care trial.
* Ordered members of the Health Care Task Force to shred documents that were the target of a court probe.
* Obstructed justice by ordering the shredding of Vince Foster's documents in the Rose Law Firm.
* In 1996, Hillary was accused by the Senate Special Whitewater Committee of ordering the removal of potentially damaging files related to Whitewater from Foster's office on the night of his death and telling aides to lie about their removal. Of course, Hillary denied everything.
* Obstructed justice by keeping her billing records, a document sought under subpoena, in the White House residence.

* Lied to investigators about her knowledge about billing records.
* Lied to investigators about her involvement in the Castle Grande land flip con.
* Ordered the use of the FBI to discredit Travel Office employees.
* Lied to investigators about her involvement in the firing of Travel Office Employees. In May 1993, the co-president was accused of having a central hand in firing several long-time employees of the White House Travel Office, the better to give the pricey travel business to her Hollywood pals, Linda Bloodworth Thomason and Harry Thomason. Hillary denied everything and when Whitewater Independent Counsel Robert Ray investigated Travelgate, he concluded that there was substantial evidence that involved Hillary but not enough to warrant an indictment.
* A Federal judge orders a trial on July 25, 1994 to determine if Hillary Clinton's heath care task force illegally operated in secret.
* The White House finally releases more than 2,000 documents on June 25, 1996, relating to the travel office firings, originally requested two years prior by congressional investigators.

To me, the picture of Bush descerating the flag looks as much like Clinton from behind as Dubya. Are you sure of it?

Thanks for one of the ubiquitous Hillary-hater blogs. Of course if this were anywhere near proscecutable, it would be in every GOP speech too...not just talk radio screechers.

Charlie

They're both obviously photoshopped.

No they're not

Ya big silly

BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Jun 8^th, 2008 at 12:16pm:

No they're not Ya big silly

I'll give you that the second one might - might - be staged at best. But the first one is so obvious it's not even funny. The perspective, the light, the source of light illuminating the president and first lady, it doesn't fit with the rest of the pic. It is quite obvious that they were cut and pasted into another background.

If you can't see that, you need to consult with a graphic artist. And maybe your eyedoctor.

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Hate to break it to you, bro.  

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That was on Sept. 10, 2006.  Ladder Company 10 Firehouse.
You would hope it would be some sick and twisted 'liberal' photoshopping this to make it look like Bush Jr is an idiot.  But, nope.  It's real.

I think your eyesight is good, bro, but your vision is clouded.

Come on..........aren't these photoshopped?


Charlie

Charlie,
As far as I can tell, neither of those photos are photoshopped.  Not to defend Bush, but the second shot looks like he is standing on a mat of some kind (why in the world would you put something like that on the ground to begin with?).  I've also seen an expanded version of this photo and it looks like those walking behind him didn't make an effort to *not* step on the *whatever it is*.

The first shot was taken when he was in Austria and people wanted his autograph.

When Dubba took office gas was $1.43 a gallon...

Hugs BD

BarbaraD wrote on Jun 9^th, 2008 at 4:19pm:

When Dubba took office gas was $1.43 a gallon...

...and?

hurts_so_good wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2008 at 9:31pm:

Never mind the Democrat ticket (I'm Irish, so I can't vote), let's celebrate the popularity of Linux on these pages. I've never seen so many Linuxers in one place (cept in Linux forums), so my nomination is Hil-Linux Rodham GnOmebama. Yep, folks, even I'm surprised at the sort of things I can write when I'm PF.

In that vein of thought, since Tux is based on Opus, and Opus's best friend is Bill the Cat, who dutifully runs for president every 4 years. This should be the year he finally wins. With Ron Paul gone what other choice do we have.

Bill the Cat for President!!!

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PS I love how you got modded down, gee I wonder what that was for? At least I can burn my karma now instead of getting death threats.

Quote:

...and?

...he raised the price of oil of course.

It couldn't possibly be profit taking by Texas oil conpanies or oil futures traders.

When Dubba took office gas was $1.43 a gallon

And before women had the vote, we had no income tax, no national debt....coincidence???? ;D ;D

Guiseppi...(Who is the least political person you'll ever meet)

Guiseppi wrote on Jun 9^th, 2008 at 6:55pm:

When Dubba took office gas was $1.43 a gallon And before women had the vote, we had no income tax, no national debt....coincidence???? ;D ;D

My point precisely. Some people confuse correlation with causation.

Bob P wrote on Jun 9^th, 2008 at 6:44pm:

Quote: ...and? ...he raised the price of oil of course. It couldn't possibly be profit taking by Texas oil conpanies or oil futures traders.

Nope. Couldn't be that at all. ;)

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Charlie

Guiseppi wrote on Jun 9^th, 2008 at 6:55pm:

And before women had the vote, we had no income tax, no national debt....coincidence???? ;D ;D

Now THAT is some funny stuff!!!

.........almost as funny as futures traders being responsible for long term increases in commodity prices.    

wrote on Jun 9^th, 2008 at 4:21pm:

BarbaraD wrote on Jun 9th, 2008 at 4:19pm: When Dubba took office gas was $1.43 a gallon... ...and?

And in the wayning days of Bill Clinton's tenure, he signed into law the mandate for the EPA to require boutique blends of EtOH in gas and it was to take effect after he left office.  This did two things, 1. Refineries had to quickly retool production to be able to handle the EtOH and this also led to distribution problems.  (remember CA and the problems they had?) 2. Prices of gas shot up over night because of #1 above.  Oh yea, Tommy Daschel had a hand in this mandate.

And when the Dems took over congress and vowed to get to the bottom of the big nasty oil companys gas was ~$2.80 a gal....now it's $4.10.  LOL.  yea, they showed the oil companys who's boss!  Makes no difference who's in the WH or controls congress.  They don't set world oil prices.  Supply, demand and speculators control it and right now the speculators are rapeing your wallet.  George Sorros comes to mind....and a host of other big players with deep pockets.  

Three things need to happen.  1.Curb the incentive for speculation and this can be done by 2. flooding the market with oil.  3. Bulid more refineries.  Right now all US refineries are running at between 80%-100% capacity.  Hurricane season is uppon us and what do you think is going to happen at the pumps if a refinery takes a hit...$6 / gal gas.

This wasn't a poke at anybody, just want blame to be correctly directed. ;)

-P.

When George Sorros, the neocon's favorite liberal whipping boy makes a buck, it's borderline treason....When stingy GOP moguls do, it's just one more bright and shiny example of American capitalism.

Charlie

And the rich get richer and the poor still just get kids.....

Hugs BD :) :-*

Long live the representative republic form of government.

I give up on this election crap.  I'm writing in Willie Nelson for President and Ted Nugent for Vice President.  I think if Obama wins, I might want to move to France or something.  He has made more ignorant comments than Clinton ate french fries.

I heard a report that the prices were raising much faster here in the US than in Europe.  If simple supply and demand were the reason for the increases, there would be a fairly even increase across the board, world-wide, but that, apparently, is not the case.   In my opinion, the prices in this country are being artificially inflated by forces outside the simple realm and controls of supply and demand.  

1.  Guilt Merchants - More and more, people are allowing themselves to be made to feel guilty that people in other countries are paying twice or more than we do.  Never mind that the reason in most cases are government imposed taxes and environmental controls.  People are wringing their hands with guilt at the dilemma.  We need to pay closer to what they do, right?  I mean, it's only fair, right?  

2.  Control (hate) - Few to none of the oil producing countries care that much for the US and with the war in the Middle East, even fewer.  High prices are a way to get a little payback without any specific country having to officially speak openly against the US.   The foreign producers know that America runs on oil.  Everything we buy, everything we do has oil in the process in one way or another.  Raise the price, hurt the economy and weaken the country.

3.  Greed - See the guilt - see the hate - see the path to profit.  People "get used to things" fairly quickly, so we'll bump up the prices until people yell and then bring them down some until the new "lower" price is accepted.  Repeat as often as the people will tolerate it.

4.  The Media (more hate in the form of politics) - The media in this country no longer has a slight slant to the left.  It's an outright heavy socialist lean to the point where people question the motives of a lot of what is said in the "news."  The media will blindly and loudly report bad news if it will hurt a conservative political candidate.  If the news isn't bad enough, they will seek out the fringe idiots and alarmists and do interviews with them until people believe the bad news.  "A Lie Told Often Enough Becomes The Truth." - Vladimir Lenin

5.  Speculation - Speculators are causing prices to go through the roof and they know they can get away with it.  They look at the factors beyond supply and demand and see the guilt and the hate and the greed and play it like a violin.  Speculators inform the media that oil prices will likely exceed $XXX.00 by such and such date and low and behold - it happens.   It's a self-fulfilling prophecy and they are laughing all the way to the bank.

What's the answer?  I don't know.  I don't know when or why what goes on in another country is more important than what is happening here at home.  I don't understand the level of greed that would cause a person to sell his soul and sell out his country for a few dollars more.  I don't understand why people would willingly give up their freedom for the illusion of security and the convenience of not having to think for themselves.

And if people start to yell - throw a "scare" into the mix.  Post an Orange Warning and scare the sheep... That'll get 'em back in line for a while. Then raise prices again....  But do it while the media is running with the scare....the sheep won't notice it till it's a done deal...

Frankly, I'm a fairly intelligent person (for a woman  :) that was for Bob P) and I'm damn tired of being treated like a retarted third grader and told what I'm "supposed" to think or that I just don't "understand" what's going on. The thing is I DO understand what's going on -- I'm being fed a bunch of B$ and I don't like it.

For all the passing of blame - we might as well go back to Harry Truman for dropping the bomb on Japan -- hell we've been paying for that since the 40s. And the money we've put in Europe (France I'm thinking of particularly) would put our country in the black for centuries.  Now we're pouring money into a country, getting our kids killed and ruining our economy for a country that none of us "vintage" folks even heard of when we were in grade school (I don't think it became Iraq until I was in about the forth or fifth grade - it was Persia before then).

The whole prob goes back to MONEY -- which lobbysist has the most money to hand out to the politicians -- get rid of the lobbyists and we MIGHT - just might get something worthwhile done in DC - but that's just a pie in the sky dream -- WE let it happen....

HUgs BD

In Southern California people are crossing the border into Mexico for gas because it's still $2.?? a gallon.  Half the price of what it is in San Diego.

It's definitely not supply & demand!

BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Jun 9^th, 2008 at 7:08pm:

Now THAT is some funny stuff!!! .........almost as funny as futures traders being responsible for long term increases in commodity prices.

It's pretty obvious that the price of a house has been pushed way up by rampant speculation. Why would oil or food be any different?  Sure, the situation may correct itself (in a few years when the bubble bursts), but by then, some real damage has been done.

monty wrote on Jun 10^th, 2008 at 10:46am:

BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Jun 9th, 2008 at 7:08pm: Now THAT is some funny stuff!!! .........almost as funny as futures traders being responsible for long term increases in commodity prices.     It's pretty obvious that the price of a house has been pushed way up by rampant speculation. Why would oil or food be any different?  Sure, the situation may correct itself (in a few years when the bubble bursts), but by then, some real damage has been done.

Houses dont trade futures.  
Speculators in the futures market have a net effect of 0.  The same number of contracts are purchased and sold.  
You might buy a contract allowing you to sell oil in July for $150.  If oil hits $150+, you sell the contract (or excercise it).  If oil does not hit $150, you sell the contract or it expires worthless.  The net effect is 0.

   

The value of the dollar has a big effect on oil prices as well. More domestic production is the short term answer. Research in to alternate energy sources is the long term answer.

Pistol whipping oil companies and begging OPEC for more output are nothing more than made for TV grand standing.

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The value of the dollar has a big effect on oil prices as well. More domestic production is the short term answer. Research in to alternate energy sources is the long term answer. Pistol whipping oil companies and begging OPEC for more output are nothing more than made for TV grand standing.

Absolutely correct!

Now, with the refusal to release his birth certificate, Barack Obama seems to have rekindled the flame beneath this rumor. The benefit and drawback of releasing the document, then, fall along the same lines: releasing it could either prove these claims true, or quickly and efficiently prove them false.

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The dollar is worth less and less so oil is more and more.

The media is too liberal? Good. Something has to be around here to counter all the fear mongering and manufactured news, for the last 7 years. The media is finally making up for its dropping the ball after 9/11. It's why we are in the mess we are today and not just the war.

Charlie

Could it be that Barak is not a natural born US citizen?

What is he hiding?

jonny,
It wouldn't matter where he was born. If he has a U.S. parent he is entitled to U.S. citizenship.
Does it matter to you? Forget about the birth certficate, thats not part of the question.

wrote on Jun 11^th, 2008 at 7:59pm:

Could it be that Barak is not a natural born US citizen? What is he hiding?

Mother was an American citizen, he was born in Hawaii in 1961 - pretty convincing evidence that he is a citizen.  

What are you trying to imply?

Yup, John McCain was born in The Canal Zone. He's a pretty good citizen too.

Charlie

monty wrote on Jun 11^th, 2008 at 8:44pm:

wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 7:59pm: Could it be that Barak is not a natural born US citizen? What is he hiding? What are you trying to imply?

Imply?.....why nothing, but why wont he give up his birth certificate?

Charlie wrote on Jun 11^th, 2008 at 9:01pm:

Yup, John McCain was born in The Canal Zone. He's a pretty good citizen too. Charlie

On a US military base which is US soil!

I don't know about you but after 46 years and his record and now running for president I wouldn't give some lame ass website the time of day.
But does his place of birth bother you?

karma wrote on Jun 11^th, 2008 at 9:18pm:

I don't know about you but after 46 years and his record and now running for president I wouldn't give some lame ass website the time of day. But does his place of birth bother you?

For one, please point out his record!

And two, yes, if he was not born on American soil.....He can not be president!....Get it?  ;)

If he was born of one U.S. citzen he is entitled to U.S. citzenship with all rights to contest the presidency. This is not the same as becoming a U.S. citizen like Aaarnold for instance.
should I write a bit slower?

had to make that a bit clearer.

karma wrote on Jun 11^th, 2008 at 9:24pm:

If he was born of one U.S. citezen he is entitled to U.S. citzenship. should I write a bit slower?

You may want to check with the constitution of this country that you dont live in!

come on dude how many times are we going to have to go over that?
Just got my passport renewed and at 46 I beleive it is my fifth one.

You have to be a natural born citizen, not born here. He is since his mother is a US citizen.

Jonny, I bet you think he's muslim, don't you?

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

I'll give you time to read it. I copied it reeeeeel slow

The guy was born in Hawaii the last I heard. Not much of a problem there. It's been a state since 1959 and Obama is younger than that.

Of course this is the kind of crap we'll be getting when they go after Obama. Democrats should never never respond to this but if they do, they should always turn it around by saying that they are too busy on health care to worry about such nonsense. Karl Rove beat them to death with this kind of thing and Kerry Fell for it.

It's going to be fun to watch them go after Obama because they have to really dance around the elephant in the corner: Race.

Charlie

karma wrote on Jun 11^th, 2008 at 9:37pm:

I'll give you time to read it. I copied it reeeeeel slow

Thank you for copying it slow.  :-*

The question stands....where is his birth certificate and why wont he produce it?

Why?.....got an answer for that?

I think charlie answered that pretty well. A little more refined than I put it before but the reason is pretty much the same. (Thanks charlie, you da man)
Now that we have established that he is eligable to run for president, why does it bother you so?

What does he have to hide?

I have to show my BC to get a passport and this guy cant show one to be my president?

How worried would you be?  ;)

Not at all. Think about what you are saying.
Don't you think that if his BC was a legitmate issue then someone with more credibility than a mickey mouse website would have made an issue of it?
Do you have any idea of the scrutiny Senatorial, and Presidential candidates get from the folks with black suits and dark shades?
come on dude give it up it's not an issue.

It took 40 years for me to actually need a birth certificate. Local hospital records were all my lawyer said he needed. I got tired of it though after I inherited this place so I had one done.

Of course if this were really something to worry about, it would have come up in Senatorial races even though it isn't necessary. Those that are doing it now wouldn't have missed it. It's their style

GOD!

Charlie

karma wrote on Jun 11^th, 2008 at 10:09pm:

Not at all. Think about what you are saying. Don't you think that if his BC was a legitmate issue then someone with more credibility than a mickey mouse website would have made an issue of it? Do you have any idea of the scrutiny Senatorial, and Presidential candidates get from the folks with black suits and dark shades? come on dude give it up it's not an issue.

Then why wont he show it if its not an issue?

Your arguement is weak.

I'm done. You figure it out.

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I give a fuck because I live in this country....YOU DONT!!!!

temper, temper, Carefull you don't blow a gasket.

I confess that I'm as guilty as the rest of you. I fell for responding to this lunacy too.
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wrote on Jun 11^th, 2008 at 9:05pm:

Imply?.....why nothing, but why wont he give up his birth certificate?

Same attack-dog strategy we are seeing pop up all over the place ...  make a silly charge, and when Obama doesn't personally respond, it is used as 'proof' that the charges must be true.

If you have real evidence that any candidate is not a citizen, smokes crack, molests children, or shreds US currency for kicks, then come forward with it.  But to simply imply that something might be true since the candidate hasn't yet disproven them is muck.

Simply, when 80% of the people hate the guy in charge, it's hard to find something safe to debate so staying away from debate is the answer. This is how it's done and it can be effective. I don't think it will work with the people on Obama's campaign staff. They can be tough to deal with.

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Charlie wrote on Jun 12^th, 2008 at 7:35pm:

Simply, when 80% of the people hate the guy in charge, it's hard to find something safe to debate so staying away from debate is the answer.   START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGESTART PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE Charlie

There you liberals go spouting insane numbers to prove your point.
Its only 76%.  

;D

Remember, Charlie, even politics has become all about one thing: entertainment. If it sells (or grabs votes), it leads. Right, left, up, down, whatever. Wherever the sheeple will follow, they will lead.

Obama now has a website to combat smear stuff.

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Good, more objective U.S. news is usually in the Canadian news.   ;)

Back in 1959 we had a back-stabbing contest kinda like this one - there was this guy who was a CATHOLIC that thought he wanted to be President -- Imagine a CATHOLIC being President... why goodness gracious - we'd have the Pope running the country...  

Of course we didn't have 24 hour TV back then -- we had to read all this stuff in the papers and listen to it on the radio.... but the country was in a dither about it...

But when the smoke cleared - that guy got elected to spite everything and the "presumptive nominee" of that day came out VP at convention. Go figure..... And the Pope didn't take over we all lived happily ever after (at least for the next three years).

Hugs BD

Thanks for that link, Kevin. Look... here's Obama's birth certificate.  ::)

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Quote:

Back in 1959 we had a back-stabbing contest kinda like this one - there was this guy who was a CATHOLIC that thought he wanted to be President -- Imagine a CATHOLIC being President... why goodness gracious - we'd have the Pope running the country...

Right.

C-SPAN ran a lot of JFK replies to this kind of thing. The best one was at Houston in front of a bunch of theologians with notes from all kinds from Catholic texts. It was a joy to hear. I hope they run it again.

Charlie

:-* ................. ;D

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That's pretty scant on information compared to any of the birth certificates I've seen.


BTW, am I the only one to notice this:

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This is not a copy of an original birth certificate.  It was printed sometime since 11/2001 according to the revision date on the form.  

You can buy anything these days why not a friend in the department of records?  I trust all of these yahoos about as far as I could throw them.

I'm not saying...I'm just saying, ya know?

When you order a birth certificate, it's printed at that time. They can't send copies of originals, they have to be "officially stamped" on new paper.

When I adopted the kids, their "new" offical birth certificates looked very different than their original ones. And that was only a few years difference.

I'm just sayin' too.  :)

Actually, I have a photostatic copy of my original birth certificate complete with statement of authenticity and raised seal from the State of Kansas, so, yes, you can get a copy of the original or at least you could.  It's been a lot of years.

Their birthplaces shouldn't disqualify either of these yay-hoos from being president.

There are dozens and dozens more important things that should.

It' is incredible how much people from other countries view Obama as a ray of hope that will bring respectability back to the U.S. and McCain is not discussed at all.
This is not a personal opinion of either rather an observation of people who live in my part of the world.
The U.S.'s reputation has taken a real shot in the last eight years and those that have looked up to and admire the U.S of A, it's people and it's principles are really hoping it can be regained.

It has a lot to do with Gitmo. I'm with Tom Friedman who says that the first thing the next guy should do is bulldoze the thing. Good idea. There's no point in fighting a war against people and doing about the same thing as your enemy. Torture is just not the American thing to do.

How a American President can, with a straight face, explain how necessary this horror is; is beyond comprehension. The world and about 75% of his own country hate him. A fire hydrant less incurious and considerate of his own people.

Charlie

Charlie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2008 at 4:44pm:

................................... The world and about 75% of his own country hate him. A fire hydrant less incurious and considerate of his own people. Charlie

I'd like to see where you got this number Charlie. Just curious.

Marc

Come on yall. Use common sense! You do not want Barack Obamasomalamadoma to be the leader of the free world. Yeah, McCain isnt a dream candidate, but hopefully hell do better than "W"! As a native Texan, it makes me see red when people call Bush Texan. I damn sure dont claim him! Im a newbie to this site, so maybe I shouldnt be gettin into the politics, but what the hell! All I can say is if you want a racist to be pres., vote for Barack. (and by the way, I am from Texas and I am a redneck, but I am NOT racist or a member of the klan). I do try to educate myself about politics, and Id love for someone to convince me that Obama is not racist.........Ted L.

Ted L. wrote on Jun 15^th, 2008 at 3:46pm:

I do try to educate myself about politics, and Id love for someone to convince me that Obama is not racist.........Ted L.

I think it is incumbent upon you to prove that he is.

wrote on Jun 15^th, 2008 at 3:55pm:

Ted L. wrote on Jun 15th, 2008 at 3:46pm: I do try to educate myself about politics, and Id love for someone to convince me that Obama is not racist.........Ted L. I think it is incumbent upon you to prove that he is.

Am I not a "Typical WHITE PERSON"? ;)

All I'm saying is that you can't prove a negative. Ted has to be the one to prove that he is, but don't do it on my account. I already know who I'm voting for.

Marc: The joke on the board is that I was corrected before in that instead of 80%, it's only 76%. That fun aside, 70 plus percent has been all over the news for a week.

Ted:

I boil it down to one or two things. The first is health care and putting a lid on drug lobbyists. McCain: Zero chance; Obama: A good chance. A sane court, McCain:  Little chance, Obama:  A better chance...and it's not just abortion with me. More of the same 1890s economy: McCain:  A certainty. When I vote, I don't like to shoot myself in the foot is all. Health care is the big issue with me.  It's impossible to do worse.

The sad thing is that I could have voted for McCain in 2000. His own party treated him like a leper and stuck us with the Supreme's Horror for the last 7 years.

Obama a racist? Not much of one, if so. About the same for McCain.

Charlie.

I dont think I can prove that Obama is racist. Thats the problem that frustrates me. You cant trust the media to give you the truth. All I can do is get as much info as I can from as many sources as I can, and TRY to sort thru it all. I honestly cant tell you for sure that I will vote McCain in November. I will say this: Im NOT staying home! I will vote for one or the other, even if I dont like either one!!!!!

Ted, having looked at the issues, I'm with Charlie on the health care one.... that's a priority to me also and I don't think we have a shot with McCain  - with Obama we have a little chance of changing it for the better.

With McCain's views on the Iraquain war - I'm scared of him.And when a fund raiser was more important than a vote on a bill in Congress for our Vets - well - sorry but I just can't understand that one - especially since he was against it in the first place. (The education bill for vets). Looks to me like he's not doing the job we're (the American people) are paying him for now.

And he doesn't seem too concerned about "our" economy - guess he has enough and isn't worried about the rest of us trying to get by.

I'm from Texas too and we've got troubles here also... Our education system is completly broken - we've gone from having one of the best systems in the country to one of the worst. Our property taxes are higher than an elephant's eye and are going for what???? If you want some really neat bedtime reading (guaranteed to cure insomia) read the democratic platform and then read the repub one.  Need research -- it's all there...

I'm not real crazy about Obama (I'm still a Hillary supporter), but there are a lot of local, state and national races going on in Nov also... For goodness sakes NO don't stay home.... everyone needs to go vote for who's best for what they believe in.

Oh, and welcome to Clusterville. Glad to have someone else to argue with. :-*

Hugs BD

By all means vote. I think it was Robert Heinlein that said that there is always somebody to vote against, if nothing else.

People are not happy and that doesn't bode well for stay the coursers. In my 61 years, I've never seen such a top heavy economy nor such a level of greed with no conscience. It's a dangerous time and even some conservatives are beginning to worry.

I'm also a bit tired of hearing about our wonderful and highly productive workers that are paid less today....when adjusted for inflation....than since the 1970s....and some even farther back. It's a 1920s economy at best: Very top heavy and getting more so. Successful economies contain a modicum of fairness. You cannot get away with treating your workers this way forever. Consumerism isn't enough. You can't keep consumers...and that's one helluva pile of people....quiet and happy when they can't consume.

CEOS and hedge funders have bled credit dry and encouraged us to treat our real estate as an ATM. It's over, nothing left. It's been a sweet deal for some. K-Street pals gathering to gut government regulations....until things fall apart...then it's okay for the Fed to step in and pave over their mess. That's not for us though. It's socialism for CEOS and rough and tumble Capitalism for Americans working three jobs.

Capitalism is fine so long as it works. It's being poorly run currently.

Charlie

So, is it the economy that has changed, or is it Charlie that has changed? Or a little of both? ;)