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Title: strength from knowledge & support Post by rain on Oct 26th, 2002, 3:20pm My husband (ted pounder) and I are so glad to have found this site ! We have gone 3 years not knowing what this horrible pain was. He has finally been diagnosed with CH. It was a relief to finally put a name on the beast. but, at the same time the things we read were so frightning. comming to CH.com was the best thing in all this. We now can find strength in the knowledge and support we get here. Thank-you to all of you who are here to listen . Last night when the beast came knocking I was so tired I just kept falling to sleep off and on..*feeling guilty* I work nights and it is so hard, I go to bed just a couple of hours before it hits. I don't want him to be alone in his pain. even if i'm just there with him. I'm just feeling guilty today...*sigh* glad your all out there listening. It feels good to write this pout. |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by Margi on Oct 26th, 2002, 3:24pm Yep, sleep guilt. Know it well. Even thought they don't usually want us to be with them when they're getting hit - we often feel we should at LEAST be within earshot. My husband has a six month cycle this year. I had a few of those sleep guilt nights myself. I just couldn't wake up and Mike's real quiet, doesn't want to disturb me. But sleep deprivation takes over at some point. I don't have any answers for you, Rain - other than to offer that you're not alone with this. Is Ted taking anything to try to help him sleep? Generic Dramamine will sometimes get him through the night without getting attacked. It prevents REM sleep - and too much of THAT isn't good either - but maybe even just a couple of nights of undisturbed sleep would do you both some good. Hang in there, Rain and welcome to Clusteropolis. Hugs, |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by rain on Oct 26th, 2002, 3:37pm Thank you Margi ! It's been about 6 weeks only 2 nights without the night-time "visits". I do get tired and exhausted.(emotionally and physically) Ted tries to let me sleep (he is so sweet even in pain) I just want to be there if he needs anything. He is getting great support here (you even helped him on his post)*S* I just have a lot going on right now and sometimes it all weighs a ton |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by Svenn on Oct 26th, 2002, 6:03pm i have to say something here as a sufferer. I think you supporters doing a little "mistake" here.My wife does that to,so i guess its rather common way to react The mistake is to let us take over a huge part of your lives. Thats the mistake as i see this After some years with this we found out that something has to be done,before all of us was "down in the basement" So we agreed to try another thing,and that is as follows: Just let me know that i got somebody around those horrible nights when i get hit Its no use to hold my hands or comfort me. If you do that you will not be able to get sleep yourself there is absolutely nothing you can do but see me banging my head at the wall guess that most of you supporters have your own work to take care of to This is working for us here btw i have all the respect in the world for you supporters You are alfa and omega for us but do not forget that you have your own lives to live to. Hope that you understand what i`m trying to say here :) A HUGE HUG to you all Svenn |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by Margi on Oct 26th, 2002, 6:32pm Thanks, Svenn - that was really nice what you said. It's real good in theory, but tough to put into practice. I don't know a true cluster supporter amongst us who could see our sufferers go into attack and be able to happily drift off to sleep. It's really a vicious circle - we feel guilty because we can't help you, you feel guilty because you're putting us thru that. Cluster guilt is contagious. I do agree with you that it is important for supporters to MAKE time for themselves, though. Even if it's just going for a walk alone or a workout when our sufferers are between attacks. Just an hour off from the 'cluster watch' often helps pull things back into perspective for us. Thanks again, Svenn - and you sufferers wonder why we love you guys? :) |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by rain on Oct 27th, 2002, 3:51am I just got home from work and it's late. I know if I go to bed it will be soon that the evil that shares our room will come for his night time visit. He tried something new tonight he took an imitrex pill a little while ago. lets see if it helps*sigh* Thank all of you for your support while I whined about feeling guilty. I feel better know. Usually I am very strong. But, sometimes I get a little worn. I realize when Rich is banging his head against the floor that I can really do nothing for him, but I feel better just being there to make him not so alone in his pain. I again say I am soooo glad we found this place. We are both new to this pain (he was just diagnosed). Good nite ...& thanx |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by Ree on Oct 27th, 2002, 11:03am yup thats just what bein a supporter is... I couldnt sleep knowing he is up and hurting that bad... actually he used to get up with me when I was nursing Gabrielle (Breezy) as a baby...Its just part of being a team... being One that your marriage entitles you to... (even if its only ONE sided no pun intended) Love to you all and all that you support... Ree |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by BonnieW on Oct 28th, 2002, 6:36pm Rain, We have a nighttime (or early morning) routine in our house when Warren is in cycle. He works shift work and his worst time is about 90 minutes after he comes to bed in the early morning. I will hear him start moaning and realize it is starting before he even wakes up enough to know it. So, I jump out of bed and turn on the oxygen, hand him the mask and make sure he is awake enough to use it properly. He just holds the mask to his face. Then I climb back into bed and just lay with my eyes closed while (hopefully) the oxygen does the trick. After about 15 minutes if the CH is gone, one of us turns off the oxygen and then we can both go back to sleep. If (sometimes unfortunately) it doesn't work, we have to resort to something else. I sometimes used to feel guilty about not staying up with him, but it works for us. |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by Ree on Oct 28th, 2002, 9:06pm Rain you are a sweetie pie... Every Clusterhead is wondering if you have a sister/brother right now...LOL sounds like you have the routine down pretty well... have a Pain Free Week............. love ree |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by rain on Oct 29th, 2002, 3:15pm THANK-YOU everyone! We had our first night with O2 WOW ! now. I know this might not work every time BUT it sure did last night ! Rich woke with a 10 and tried the O2 in just a short time we were ummm errr well lets just say he felt a LOT better *blushing* His Dr. read some info we printed out on this site and gave Rich his O2 from his office until we can get the perscription(sp) filled (what a guy) Thank-you thank you !! you have all been an amazing strength for us. I don't have any family outside my children and Rich and I was given up when I was 11 (long story) so I don't really know my birth family well also they are in PA. I'm in WA. I do e-mail a cousin in the navy. anyway this site is a place I can cry and you understand the pain. God bless...BIG SMILE |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by Ree on Oct 31st, 2002, 1:10am hey Rain... what a great doc... we have a good one too. Glad the 02 worked for you Alot of the sufferers here have had good luck with it... We will be your family you will never have to be alone in this again.... love your little sis (only in size im sure)Ree |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by cootie on Nov 3rd, 2002, 10:25pm Hi...hope things are going ok now and 'something' is working for you....my hubby "seems" to be over his cycle but not outa of the woods yet....it's a well deserved and appreciated break I must say....he began takeing the imitrex before he went to bed and in the morning about a half hour before attacks came on....(he was getting the eveinin ones around 9:30 pm and later in the cycle they would hit later tho 'after' he went to bed and fell asleep so he began to take one and go to bed within the hour when he felt an attack was possible cuz of how he felt....he'd still get up around midnight and sit on the couch a while afraid to go back to bed or lay down cuz he 'felt an attack was maybe comeing on ....he gets very nasal'y on one side 'all of a sudden' with his first sings of an attack and his eye would tear up bad and run down his face.....when that happen'd he got hit harder faster ! I've spent alot of time sitting stareing at the tv or out the window and go sort of 'blank' or numb inside dureing his attacks and loose sense of time.....kinda like your tuneing it out to save your own sanity cuz you feel so guilty and helpless and bad.....and guiltier yet for hateing when the attacks came on.....good luck.....and thanks again to you ALL....cootie |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by Margi on Nov 3rd, 2002, 10:39pm Cootie? Word of advice? DON'T lose track of time. Watch the clock. You must know, on average, how long his attacks last. Yes, the minutes tick by like centuries when there's attack happening, but ... they do eventually ALL tick by. Use it as your light at the end of the tunnel, and let him know when he's only got about 15 more minutes to go. It might really help him to know, too. But I know what you mean by that vacuous feeling. Hang in there, supporters. |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by cootie on Nov 3rd, 2002, 11:04pm Hi.....Actually this may sound REALLY strange but I'd know the amount of time cuz of shows on tv starting and ending..I was watching them but 'not' absorbing anything dureing his attacks (he'd be upstairs battleing it out)...I was seeing and the song or whatever at the end or beginning of each show would give me a sense of the time that had passed...isn't that odd to say tho. Guess we learn to adapt in all sorts of ways....but yea yer rite about trying to keep track of the time his attacks run....they would normally come at almost the exact same time to the minute at first twice a day....the last ones were short so were at the end of them we hope for the cycle....for now....I always fear holiday stress as a trigger...been there and seen that one over the Xams holidays before and that was a horrible ordeal. Thanks for the info.....after about a month now were gettin somewhat back to normal or feeling a bit more relaxed about it !!! THanks again...cootie >^..^< |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by rain on Nov 4th, 2002, 3:21am Hi I sure hope everyone is doing well. Rich and I had a peaceful night last night and I sure hope he has one tonight (so far so good) We tried something else the last 2 days. Rich has had a broken back for 3 years and takes 1 vicodin a day but I read that narcotics can actually make the headaches worse. So he didnt take one yesterday and well no headache last night. He is also allergic to tylenol and I guess it's in vicodin. now I also read that when someone is having CH at the time of the attack there histamine level is very high ...well if he is having an allergic reaction to the vicodin maybe going off them will help lessen the cH I can only hope. I want to again thank all of you for your warmth and support. I pray you all have a peaceful night ...and cootie let the holidays come but relax don't let them pressure you ...after all we are supposto (sp) enjoy them...I love you guys...Colleen |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by cootie on Nov 4th, 2002, 9:24am Hi...hope everyone has a pleasant week....hubby, Brad has found out he has had to change a few things in his routine and be careful of certain meds or foods that was "possibly" triggering nite time attacks ?? A few beers before bed with tv to relax seem'd to be triggering them for a while....he thought it'd help....trial and error.....so far were doin good with breaking that nasty cycle....he even took today off to work in the garage today.....(time well spent for things he wants to do and slower pace for the day at least)....have a great day everyone and thanks for being there !!! Cootie >^..^< |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by Margi on Nov 4th, 2002, 9:40am A few beers before bed???? ::) Is he nuts? Alcohol is famous for provoking attacks, Cootie. It's in all the literature and, for most clusterheads, it needs to be avoided at all costs during cycle. It seems to be more of a trigger for episodics than it is for chronics. Also watch out for MSG - especially in Chinese Food. Cootie - read everything you can in the buttons to the left and over at the OUCH Website. Read the menus above the map. You are your husband's first line of defense here, gal...educate yourself about clusters. I don't mean to sound aggressive here...it's just that avoiding alcohol is the FIRST thing in cluster survival. Also, my husband has found that relaxation is a big trigger for him, as well. Not that we can live our lives being constantly busy, but that's when most attacks hit him...when he slows down or tries to sleep. |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by cootie on Nov 4th, 2002, 11:03am Hi......Yeah we discussed alcohol and his clusters.....(he's not a big drinker....but I read it was BAD period dureing the cycles and could trigger them)...it's like he got caught up in tooooo much at one time this episode then did everything wrong dureing it...it really caught him off guard this time and he kept saying it was just sinus (he hoped !!!) cuz everyone had this nasty sinus stuff with bad headahces . It seem'd to take longer to adjust things and realize he HAD to change some habits for the time being this time around.....cuz it was obvious his CH's were "baaacckkk"....it's almost like he was trying to avoid the issue.....I mean.....wouldn't that be nice to be able to block it out and it go away....not gonna happen tho !! I really think he panic'd this time and just wouldn't follow the rules at first....but I told him about one week before his attacks he was going to get them back if he didn't 'chill out'....he was burning a candle at 2 ends....I could see the difference in how he was handleing things and tryin to do to many things at once. (eating dinner alot later..goin to bed later....gettin up grouchy....not eatin his lunch all day at work cuz of being to busy not takeing the time...ect ect...drastic changes and then that vacation where so many things went WRONG) I tried to tell him things he was doing wrong for the cycle stage when they frist hit hard...he's not real pleasant when he has attacks. I've gotten more info on this site the past month then I was able to learn the past 15 years !! He realizes he was trying to just avoid the entire ordeal this time and he learned the hard way he has to make adjustments dureing these cycles !! Do aother people get caught up in this and make things worse for themselves ? He HAS to change things dureing these spells.....all I can do it tell him what I have read and learned. Were just glad it seem's to be about over.....thanks........I'm trying to be a better supporter.......cootie >^..^< |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by Margi on Nov 4th, 2002, 11:50am Cootie, you're doing just fine as a supporter. The fact, even, that you're HERE shows that you care enough to try to help. We, as supporters, can only do so much to help and you're absolutely right - he really does have to change some habits when he's in cycle. The mood swings are commonly mentioned here...that hypothalmus rules so many things and all of its domain gets out of whack when it tells the body to go into cycle, I think. Hopefully this cycle will be gone soon. Hang in there. |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by rain on Nov 4th, 2002, 2:21pm Cootie, Margi is so right on ...you are here doing the best you can ...learning. I am new at the CH thing and I have learned so much on this site. I even printed out some stuff and the Dr. was like "Ohhh yeah-that makes sense" My Rich has had a hard time with some of the things he had to change too. It's hard to be told you "can't" do this or that. Keep up the strength ...by your example he will find the strength he needs as well... Peace, Rain |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by cootie on Nov 4th, 2002, 4:19pm Hi all.......He's doin pretty good rite now and hope it lasts without the CH's for the past several days....he even went on his hunting trip with some close friends..I was worried what that would be like so soon after his last attack......I'm sure them guys have never seen nothin like what happens and with it being several guys in a big camper it'd be hard to get away from everyone and to cold outside to go sit in his truck to fight them off which is probly what he'd of done tho. So all went well..gosh we had Chinese food when his attacks first started....oh my I didn't realize that was bad....some help I was !! I've learned alot but have so much more to learn yet ! I have got to read up on the MSG stuff...didn't they used to treat salads at resturants with it and had to stop ? It used to give me the jitters really bad if I ate at some of them places esp salads and I'd feel terrible a while and weak and found out that's what caused it. But guess I was thinking it was banned...maybe not in everything after all.....duh....I need to read up on that info !!!! I think ALOT of the foods we eat (prepared stuff) is pratically killing us and the cause of alot of things that go wrong in all sorts of ways.....that is scarey !!!! Thanks to all again...cootie >^..^< |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by rain on Nov 5th, 2002, 3:32am Cootie, It's funny what you said about food in resturants. I work in a resturant and just today I learned that the ranch dressing and just about all the deep fried foods contain MSG. I was shocked and sickened by this info. I have a lot of migraines and now I know why!! How can we protect ourselfs? I am going to bring this to my bosses attention. My guess is they wont care. I'm so glad your hunny had a good camping trip. You are so good the way you take care of him.I think all these supporters are wonderful people. Anyone who can do what we do has to be strong. Rich had a bad CH at work. It must have been so awful for him, lucky he was in his office. (he is a safety officer) ;Dand he got to come home. His came back today he had 2 nights free *sigh* well we have o2 and a shot of imitrex...ready with our weapons of choice! Ohhh one more thing... about alcohol. Rich is sensitive to it even just a beer. He has a few allergies ...do any of your CH sufferers ? I know allergies raise histamine. Good night everyone. |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by Margi on Nov 5th, 2002, 9:04am Rain, I'm confused... In your first post you say you are Ted Pounder's wife....then, later on you're calling him 'Rich'. Do you have TWO clusterheads? |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by cootie on Nov 5th, 2002, 9:34am Hi all agin today.....Yeah Brad has some allergies but mostly stuff that comes with the season's it seems tho.....both of us are miserable after rakeing leaves !!! We really thought his recent attacks were sinus at first cux everyone around here has had bad bad sinus....and really bad headaches go with it for a few weeks. (I had it)...maybe it was some sorta bug goin around to...dunno....he got a flu shot. I'd heard that leaves carry mold type sporen (don't quote me exactly on this one) but they can cause really nasty sinus infections and know someone that got some sort of lung infection cuz of swelling in her lungs (area around the lungs) ect...we have TONS of leaves out here. I get alot of what I just call 'stress' headaches...but I get them when we go out which we try to do on weekends with a group of freinds if we can.....I'm not sure if I should blame it on the food or smoke or stress now....cuz I love the chicken wings ect that probly have alot of that MSG stuff !??? Beer normally doesn't bother him but he has learned it made CH's worse and he was thinking it would help him sleep better and relax ant not get one at first onsought...but realized different. He smokes to....don't suppose that helps. I know so many people these days that sruffer bad migraines "even kids" it makes me wonder what's going on !!!!!??? Don't know any other CH suffer'rs tho in our group. I think we all just have way to much on our minds to worry about and to much going on at once we can't do anything about and it overwhelms us all and adds to the stress factor. I dunno.....thanks all agin....so far hubby is pain free but he got restless late last nite and got up and I thought he was haveing an attack but he said things were cool........sheeewwww !!! Cootie >^..^< |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by rain on Nov 5th, 2002, 2:45pm OOOps...sorry Margi, Rich is Ted pounder..Rich is his REAL name :-[ Tedpounder is his "cyber name" |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by Margi on Nov 5th, 2002, 2:52pm LOL no big deal, Rain - it was just confusing... ok, so we better warn our Ted that Rich wants to pound him. ;) |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by BobG on Nov 5th, 2002, 3:47pm Ted-Rich pounder, Tich-Red pounder, whatever.......... rain, Thanks for being there, keep up the good work. And I like the sound of rain pounder ;) |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by cootie on Nov 5th, 2002, 3:56pm How bout 'Ted's Rich Rain Pounder'.....ha-ha-ha-ha......cootie.......jus had to say that !!!!! |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by Bob P on Nov 5th, 2002, 3:59pm I vote for "Pud". |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by Margi on Nov 5th, 2002, 4:03pm Ted's rich? Cool. Too bad he's married. Wait. So am I. Never mind. :) Pud it is, then. |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by cootie on Nov 5th, 2002, 4:07pm Got a close family friend's thats nickname is "Pud"....a handsome dude he is too.... and always had a hard time introduceing him by his nick name to new friends...ha-ha-ha....there's room fer two named the same in this world tho.......ha-ha-ha.....laughin is contagious.....toodles............. |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by Ted on Nov 5th, 2002, 4:08pm I'm neither rich nor married. But I do have the occasional quarter pounder. |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by cootie on Nov 5th, 2002, 4:10pm I like Big Mack's....... |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by Ted on Nov 5th, 2002, 4:13pm You can call me Mack. |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by Margi on Nov 5th, 2002, 4:15pm quarter pounders are NOT good for your girlish figure, Mack. |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by cootie on Nov 5th, 2002, 4:29pm Hmmmmm....betcha Big Mack's contain alot of MSG's.....run away run away !!!!!!! Ha-ha......... |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by rain on Nov 5th, 2002, 6:52pm LMAO I guess ted pounder isn't "Rich"...Ohhhh But then he is...isn't he. You guys are great..I needed a laugh |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by Ree on Nov 6th, 2002, 10:59pm He is RICH cuz he has you rain............. your pretty great too... ree |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by rain on Nov 7th, 2002, 1:54am Thank-you Thank-you.....Yup, today I am great !!! No HA again...this is almost as scarry as when it started...you know, hoping for no more. *saying a prayer *crossing my fingers *knocking on wood Rich stopped the vicodin(for his broken back).then he started taking benadryl every night it seems to be keeping it at bay. Or is it going away now ?? Hmmmm makes us wonder Does anyone know of a pain med. that doesn't contain tylenol or asprin ? Cootie, How has your husband been since he came back? you said you have learned alot here. I have also learned more here in the last month then I think any Dr. has ever learned on CH. my Dr. was greatful for the info. take care and goodnight ;) |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by Margi on Nov 7th, 2002, 9:33am Hi Rain, Not sure why you're asking about over the counter pain relievers, because they really won't do much for a cluster....but you could try ibuprophen. It's contained in Advil and Motrin - you can also get it generically. I really hope Rich's cycle is ending too. Be prepared, however, for the beast to take a swift and dirty kick at him again before it leaves completely. That's quite common for cycles ending. We get lulled into a false sense of security and then *WHAMMO*, it comes back with a vengence before it leaves for good. Don't mean to scare you, just don't want you to get completely discouraged if this happens. |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by cootie on Nov 7th, 2002, 10:43am Rain.......since he came back....I missed sumthin there....what did ya mean....sorry....not sure what ya ment so leme know oh-tay ? But he's been doin good since his cycle is over....his CH's hit him pretty hard at first and I'd mentiond before he thought it was sinus and none of us wanted to even think the CH's were back after almost 3 years...but after the second day he knew they were back. I've learned alot on here about doses and what not to try if what he is doin works and risk switching and gettin hit hard again....plus we've learned thru the many years that pain meds don't work...there's exceptions of course but would imagine it'd have to be knock out stuff....but over the counter stuff don't do 'Jack'. He started poppin advils this last episode thinking it was sinus and he had some sinus goin the week before as it was....that stuff can really mess up yer stomach if ya get to takein as many as he was at first. I've learned how disruptive these episodes are to family and work...life changes dureing episodes drastically around here !!! Used tho think it was odd all he'd wanna do is talk about them HA's he got all the time.....but found out they rule sometimes and part of it. So the more I learn on here about them the more I can add to the conversation and help him understand and even maybe some new ideas....whatever....I've learned alot about what not to do dureing the cycles with foods and alcohol also....seems we did everything wrong this episode. It lasted about 6 weeks.....started out with several Ch's a day then they lasted shorter lengths and not as often....then he'd get the shadows constanlty....then they slacked off......then he'd get up around midnight several nites for about a week fearing one was comeing and that slacked off....and he's PA for now but we both know that can change fast so early at the end of the cycle. Hope some of this helps you.......thanks again all......cootie >^..^< |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by rain on Nov 8th, 2002, 2:56am Cootie, Sorry about that..what I was talking about was...after your hubby's camping trip..has he been pain free? I think about how all our lifes are connected in a terrible sort of way *pain* I know how I pray that the CH is gone now for my Rich ..and as we write others are suffering... I can't help but think of them and wish for a miracle for all of them. as well as those supporting them.. I am so tired tonight. take care everyone |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by rain on Nov 8th, 2002, 3:09am Margi, Man I feel like a real A$s I was just reading over some of these older posts. there I was complaining and Your Hunny had a 6 month cycle..you are some woman !! and there you are supporting us..all of us who need someone..your there. THANK YOU THANK YOU love & peace Rain |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by Margi on Nov 8th, 2002, 9:01am Thanks, Rain. Mike seems to be in a pattern now of 2-3 year remissions, but it does seem like his cycles are longer now. We just play the hand we're dealt. ;) |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by cootie on Nov 8th, 2002, 9:07am Rain........Yes Brad came back from his huntin trip PF...I kinda figur'd that's what ya ment when ya asked about him. He had a great time with best of buddies and no attacks. He's been gettin stuff done around here and goin huntin in the mornin's and took today off to work around the garage and house.....so life is returning to normal "for now"....but in back of our heads we all fear a CH return yet.....holiday stress is good for that. I told him this mornin so far I haven't gotten any of our 'family assignments' and he laughed !! (be here and be there by this time or that...no excuses typea stuff I hate..no consideration to our schedule or maybe like to have some time at home for a few hours !!) I sound selfish don't I...I'm sorry !!?? So far so good with the CH's....good luck to you and everyone else on here....Your great.....and ya have all had ta read all my rambling and pissin and moan'n at times...not to mention whinein !! Nice to have a place to hide !!! Thanks......cootie |
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Title: Re: strength from knowledge & support Post by Margi on Nov 8th, 2002, 9:41am Hey gals, I'm going to lock this thread now - it's just getting too long to load. So please use the Start New Topic button at the top if you'd like to post, ok? And, don't forget, you can also use the Messaging system here to talk directly to each other - it's very cool. Thanks, everyone. :) |
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