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(Message started by: jmorgan52 on Aug 18^th, 2003, 4:22am)

Title: Blood group?
Post by jmorgan52 on Aug 18^th, 2003, 4:22am

I wondered if there was any sort of correlation between blood group and CH. I am O+

I have mentioned before on this board that I believe for me, wheat products may well be the cause of my CH, and I am doing my best to avoid them as much as possible and have been practically HA free since starting on this.

Coincidentally I have just started reading the Dr D'Adamo book on blood groups and diets and according to him wheat is a no-no health-wise for Group O, which he claims is "hunter gatherer" on the evolutionary scale. We should be eating meat, fruit and veg. Severe headaches is one of the health problems associated with a wheat diet for group O according to him

He claims that other groups like A, (cultivators) B, AB etc, which are further along on the evolutionary scale, are also susceptible to health problems (including headaches?) for other dietary reasons.

Food for thought :D

John

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by badfly on Aug 18^th, 2003, 7:17am

I am also O+ and hardly ever eat wheat products. I am a strictly meat and potatoes kinda guy and always have been. Bread and such are really bad for my motabalism and give me stomach pain, indigestion and a really lathargic manner. If eating wheat was a cause of CH in O+ people I should be PF. LOL anyway .....
BTW I have read that research and do support most of its findings.

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by totka on Aug 18^th, 2003, 7:53am

0+ too! Is it a joke?

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by Ueli on Aug 18^th, 2003, 10:35am

Can somebody enlighten me how the heck there could be a connection - even the most far fetched one - between ch and blood group ? (or relatives with Altzheimer'e for that matter)?

Blood group is something to pay attention too for blood transfusion, and that's it.

Of course, construing a connection between blood type and personality type and then writting a book about can bring $$$. And suckering in people for a 'diet' adapted to their blood group can be the foundation of a $ucce$$ful $cam arti$t bu$ine$$.

But we have already three clusterheads with 0+. So there must be a correlation.
If you look at Racial & Ethnic Distribution Of AB0 Blood Types (http://www.bloodbook.com/world-abo.html) you'll have found the distribution of CH as well. ???

Ueli

BTW, If someone is interested in my blood group: it's the same as for almost every Tom, Dick and Harry around here: A+

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by Kirk on Aug 18^th, 2003, 10:50am

I read the book. I think he is wrong, but I like the diet.
I'm O+ also.

TTFN

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by Karla on Aug 18^th, 2003, 12:54pm

I am A+ and my son who also has clusters is A-.

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by Charlie on Aug 18^th, 2003, 2:00pm

I have epilepsy too. No doubt my A+ is the reason.

Charlie

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by BruceD on Aug 18^th, 2003, 2:25pm

There was a recent thread exhausting this topic:

http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1059158210;start=1

Take care
BruceD

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by Big_Dan on Aug 18^th, 2003, 2:28pm

... Blue.

-Big Dan

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by Charlie on Aug 18^th, 2003, 3:15pm

My neighbor is so fat, her blood type is Ragu

(Courtesy of Silvio)

Charlie

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by jmorgan52 on Aug 18^th, 2003, 3:36pm

Thanks Bruce for pointing out the recent thread I seem to have missed. I could not find anythingrelated to this using the search. So it seems there is no correlation.

John

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by ClusterChuck on Aug 18^th, 2003, 5:31pm

B+ here. But that only shows that I am NUTS not CH sufferer. ha ha

Chuck

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by Lori on Aug 18^th, 2003, 7:57pm

In response to the original post:

I can't believe what I just read.. :-X

JMORGAN WROTE:Coincidentally I have just started reading the Dr D'Adamo book on blood groups and diets and according to him wheat is a no-no health-wise for Group O, which he claims is "hunter gatherer" on the evolutionary scale. We should be eating meat, fruit and veg. Severe headaches is one of the health problems associated with a wheat diet for group O according to him

He claims that other groups like A, (cultivators) B, AB etc, which are further along on the evolutionary scale, are also susceptible to health problems (including headaches?) for other dietary reasons.

Food for thought

John

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by BobG on Aug 19^th, 2003, 2:27am

Hey Charlie

I think we have the same neighbor........

She thinks gravy is a beverage.

:o

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by jmorgan52 on Aug 19^th, 2003, 2:38am

Hey Lori,

I can't believe what you wrote either.

WTF do you mean? All you did was reproduce my post. :-X

John

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by Timberlea on Aug 19^th, 2003, 6:32am

A- here!

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by Lori on Aug 19^th, 2003, 7:29am

I think I did the quote thing right..anyway, it's one thing to believe in evolution but I just can't believe ANYONE would fall for such nonsense. Unbelievable. I am just amazed, that's all.

on 08/19/03 at 02:38:04, jmorgan52 wrote:

Hey Lori,

I can't believe what you wrote either.

WTF do you mean? All you did was reproduce my post. :-X

John

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by godsjoy on Aug 19^th, 2003, 7:48am

I'm O-

Don't think it relates....but hey....My chiropractor says that it seems a bunch of factors all comming together at the right time seems to be the culprit....however.....I keep elimitating year after year ....all the trigger....or what I think might possibly be a trigger.....and boom (except for last year) here come the clusters....like clockwork...Guess I'm getting cynical....

Love and blessings,
Karen

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by jmorgan52 on Aug 19^th, 2003, 7:56am

So Lori, is this an evolution vs god thing now? I'm still not sure what your point is. You are easily amazed.

If you do believe in evolution then you must agree that man's diet has changed/evolved significantly since he first walked the earth. We eat stuff today that might well have been very bad for prehistoric man. The premise of this book is that man's blood group has evolved, and is still evolving to cater for the changes in diet from hunting meat and gathering fruit and nuts and plants, to today's diet rich in highly processed foods full of chemicals and lots of dairy products.

Apparently group AB is less than a few thousand years old, and a new group C may well be evolving in the USA now to enable man live on a diet of big macs and coke, and thrive on it without dying of obesity and it's related problems.

Take it or leave it, but I am prepared to try most things to get rid of these damn CH's. Right now I am doing much better than I have in many years by being a bit more careful about what I eat. My aim is to try and avoid CH and all the drugs I have been consuming for the thousands of HA's I have suffered. If I can do this for the next few years by avoiding wheat I will be very pleased. So far so good.

John

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by badfly on Aug 19^th, 2003, 8:30am

JMorgan the thing to note here is "Severe headaches".
Clusters are not severe. I have had severe and would trade CH any day of the week for just a severe HA.

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by Lori on Aug 19^th, 2003, 11:14am

John I agree we eat a lot of junk these days. I am on the Atkins Diet and have stopped eating sugar and white refined, processed foods. I even quit smoking 8 months ago. If it helps my HA's-great. I somehow don't think it will, but if eating differently helps you or anyone, then I am happy for you. As far as me believing in evolution vs. God...I am a Christian and believe I am here for a purpose, not formed out of a rock or whatever or am an accident. Just seeing the little you wrote about what this book teaches is nonsense, silly..I can't believe anyone would take this guy seriously after reading that. I am amazed at what people believe these days. Truly. It's very sad. No offense John, I think a good diet and exercise will improve our health overall. That's a no brainer. But to suggest a certain blood group eating certain foods (because of where they are on the evolutionary scale)is bad for your health is unbelievable. I can't imagine this doctor being very well respected in the medical community.

I usually don't get involved it these types of posts and for whatever reason I did in this one. I have said enough and don't plan on saying anymore because honestly I just don't have time to go on and on with it. I don't think bad of you john, I just hope you get rid of your CH's, we are all in the same position in regards to that. So, keep fighting to find something to help get rid of them. Good luck to you.

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by Lori on Aug 19^th, 2003, 11:15am

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by jmorgan52 on Aug 19^th, 2003, 12:23pm

Hi Lori,

No offense, but the Atkins diet is getting slated with really bad press here as a terrible diet which is dangerous to your health. Some would say that they are crazy to try it ??? Read the Dr D'Adamo book yourself and see if you agree with him when you see it in context. Borrow it if from the library or someone else if it makes Ueli happy that you are not adding to the authors bank account.

And Badfly - I really do know what CH is like. Most of my fairly long adult life has been plagued with these bastards and felt like ending it all on occasions, but they do pass for most. I also suffer from regular so called "severe headaches", migraines, tension headaches, you name them. Last March I was at the end of my rope with CH, and in desperation tried what was for me a very radical approach with the detox diet and it broke my cycle in a few days. Since then I have been more or less totally PF for the longest period in my life. This years "cycle" began with the usual twinges and mild daily headaches that I get in the build up to a full blown cycle for a few weeks, but I forced myself to do another detox diet and it stopped them in its tracks. I am pinning my hopes on this as you can imagine, but eating totally wheat free with little dairy, and mostly fuit,veg and light meat is not easy and I go off the rails a lot!

John

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by badfly on Aug 19^th, 2003, 12:41pm

Hhhmmmm what you say is interesting John. You know I have been to see and spoken to alot of (what I would call) quacks (my opinion) in my time and you would actually be suprised to know how many of them say the following.
1) Either your diet is causing the headaches. Stay away from dairy or coffee or smoking. Actuallly none ever said wheat, which is actually strange.
2) Or you have some toxins in your blood, you are eating something that is poison to youre system.
Well I take all that freindly advice in much the way I listened to the half baked ideas of Doctors who said I had a sinus infection, needed new glasses or should take tranqualisers to aliviate my stress. Dont get me wrong I am a firm believer in Dr D'Adamo and some his collegues (I have seen this in other books before) ideas, however these are not hard and fast rules either. I also believe your matabolism, size, what kind of food you grew up on as well as what you eat before and after have a huge affect on youre health. Out of desperation I too have tried changing my diet, detoxing etc, but as yet to no avail. At some point one needs to draw a line in the sand and say enough. I wont try any half baked idea or plan unless a good many ppl TRULY got relief and can POSITIVLY correlate that to somthing they did or ate etc. It could be there is somthing in the blood, but I doubt it. Still the diet is good for you anyway, so there is no harm in trying.

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by TerryS on Aug 20^th, 2003, 1:21am

A+ and I have had migraine I think most of my life and ch 31 years. In Oct. I turn 56.

I know I'm getting old like Den...........lol

God bless all,
TerryS

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by jmorgan52 on Aug 20^th, 2003, 1:23am

Hi Badfly

I guess I mostly agree with you. Since childhood I have been told by many doctors that various foods are the cause of headaches. Variously cheese, red wine, chocolate, dairy, etc. I tried eliminating them all to no avail. The (mostly :-/ ) wheat free diet I am following seems to be having the required effect. Several of my aquaintences are also following this diet with really good results. A good friend of mine has a 11 year old son who was obese and losing days off school with sickness. He always had a "headache". He is O+. In June last year his mother cut wheat out of his diet entirely. He is now a healthy slim 12 year old and has not missed a day at school since. Another guy at work mentioned to me that he suffered from bad "migraines" on a daily basis for months on end and then they went away for about a year. I said it sounds like undiagnosed CH. He cut out wheat and remains HA free fo rthe past year. These convinced me I was on the right track.

I am not saying this is the same for everyone, but....

Maybe, just maybe, different blood groups have different food types that cause these headaches? Perhaps for the A's B's and AB's wheat is not the problem, but dairy or something else is. When I am through with the book I will know more about this.

My motive for promoting this idea is to get a good few of you guys to try it. Mainly all I read are posts having a negative dig at the idea of the detox without having tried it themselves. I'm glad to see you tried it. What exactly did you do? When I see that lots have really tried it properly and reported no positive effect, then I will drop the subject.

I have yet to read much else on this board that offers any hope of some sort of permanent remission from these bastards.

Until then, I for one intend to remain pain and drug free.

John

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by badfly on Aug 20^th, 2003, 1:09pm

I tried to cut all wheat and dairy from my diet. Basically ate like I normally do, but stayed away from bread, biscuits etc Oh yes and BEER (in fact all alcohol). Also moved to black coffe. So I ate no wheat, no dairy nd just Meat, Chicken, Fish, Eggs, Fruit and Veg. I did this for around 6 months until I had another cycle start. After about 2 weeks of the cycle, I threw the towel in and had a cup of coffee with milk :-) and a huge chocolate!!

BTW I know lottsa ppl who had similar results with wheat free diets like you talk about. I am a believer, I just dont think it relates to CH, at least for me anyway. Like I said before, I am a meat and potatoes kinda guy. My normal diet consists of meat, meat, more meat, chicken, lottsa potatoes, onions, tomatoes etc, avocado, banna, apples, pears and about 5 to 10 cups of coffee a day. I dont eat bread, cheese or deserts (ice cream, cake whatever).

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by jonny on Aug 20^th, 2003, 7:16pm

on 08/20/03 at 01:23:52, jmorgan52 wrote:

I guess I mostly agree with you. Since childhood I have been told by many doctors that various foods are the cause of headaches.John

I guess your docs are full of shit seeing that I have NO triggers what so ever, I eat and drink whatever I want without fear of CH......Why?, cause they come when im doing nothing at all.

........................................jonny

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by jmorgan52 on Aug 21^st, 2003, 1:01am

Badfly,

Meat and potatoes is what I was brought up on and is a very British diet of old (I am English).

My "CH free diet" differs from yours somewhat, in that I eat a little meat, chicken and fish (not meat, meat and more meat), a little dairy, a little potato, and mainly fresh fruit and veg of which I go for variety and constantly search out new tastes. I get starch from rice or rice noodles which I love. I drink mainly water during the day with perhaps 1 coffee and 1 tea (not 5-10 cups!). I drink beer and wine and eat chocolate at weekends and occasionally during the week and don't smoke (stopped 20 odd years ago).

Johnny - the only trigger for me during cycle is alchohol. Out of cycle the only HA it causes is hangovers ;D Wheat is not a trigger for me as such, I think for me it is a long term build up that gets me. As for most doctors, I agree they are full of shit (just like the rest of us!)

John

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by Georgia on Aug 21^st, 2003, 1:29am

As much as I would like to dismiss this and say "oh that is such bullshit"....I can't do it....I haven't tried it.

My dad is a severe asthmatic. He took high doses of prednisone for years to try to control it, along with daily injections, weekly allergy shots, and about three other meds..nebulizers...inhalers...etc. Nothing seemed to be keeping it under control. He went to a respitory specialist...she tested him for over 300 allergens...from airborne to injested. Among other things, he tested positive to wheat. She suggested that he stop all meds over a period of time as he stopped eating wheat in any form.

Within a month he was med free and asthma attack free. We lived through a no-wheat, no-gluten diet for a long time at my house. We had rice bread, rice cakes, coconut macaroons (the only cookie with no wheat or gluten at the time), potato pancakes, etc. It was a very difficult diet to adhere to. He never cheated though and his asthma stayed completely under control.

After a few years of this, he started to reintrodce wheat back into his diet. His asthma returned with it. He takes only one drug a day now and watches his wheat intake.

I know CH is very different than asthma. But I can also honestly say that he is Mr Practical and the thought of his diet controlling his breathing seemed ridiculous to him....but he had nothing to lose to try it.

My mom was always big on diet controlling/inflaming ailments. My brother was diagnosed ADHD when he was young....the Dr recommended meds. She went for the Feingold diet instead. He is a chemist now...never took a single medication. I had constant ear infections as a child....she cut me off dairy completely. The ear infections stopped.

So my question to you is: What does this book recommend that I avoid? I am B-, chronic CH'er, chronic migraine since I can remember. I am willing to try anything at this point.

Thanks for sticking through a lot of shit to possibly bring someone some relief.

Peace and love,
Georgia

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by jmorgan52 on Aug 21^st, 2003, 4:23am

Georgia - it is difficult to say exactly what you should be eating, best read the book for yourself, but in a nutshell:
from
http://www.healthydiets4u.co.uk/bloodgroupdiet.htm

BLOOD GROUP DIET

The blood group diet is said to originate from two American Naturopaths, Dr James D'Adamo, and his son Dr Peter D'Adamo, who believe your blood group type is the key to how you burn your calories, which foods you should eat and how you would benefit from certain types of exercise.

They recommend that eating to suit your blood group may, help you to lose weight, may help fight disease, boost your immune system and slow down the ageing process.

It is believed that a chemical reaction occurs between your blood and foods as they are digested. Lectins a diverse and abundant protein found in food may be incompatible with your blood group and adverse side effects may occur. The avoidance of these Lectins that agglutinate (adhere or stick to one another) to your particular cells-determined by your blood type.

There are 4 blood types: A, AB, B, and O

Blood Type O
The O blood type was the first blood type to evolve from the hunter-gatherer era around 50,000 BC. Here the diet was high in red meat and virtually void of grains and dairy.
The type-O thrives on a meat-eating diet. As the diet is high in animal protein, the type-O requires intense physical exercise to help burn off the meat.

Type-Os are prone to digestive disorders resulting from over-secretion of stomach acid.
They can also be more susceptible to arthritis and thyroid disease due to overactive or hyper immune system.

Wheat and dairy also promote inflammation in this blood type which can trigger an imbalance in the immune system.

Blood type O individuals can gain a significant amount of weight following a high carbohydrate diet, as their bodies cannot properly metabolize these foods.

Blood Type A
Type-A blood group formed when man began to develop an agricultural lifestyle between 25,000 and 15,000 B.C. People with blood type-A do best on a vegetarian diet for weight loss especially the macrobiotic diet.

The type-A individual hardly produces much hydrochloric acid and therefore does poorly on meat and dairy diets such as the Atkins Diet.

Type-As are generally more prone to cancer, diabetes and heart disease, if they do not take charge of their health. The gene for alcoholism is also found in type-As.

Blood Type B
Type B also evolved from the intermingling of blood type O with the blood type A. This occurred between 15,000 and 10,000 B.C due to man travelling further.

As a result, the type-B individual does best on a dairy diet with some meat (no chicken) and few grains.

The type-Bs suffer from the highest incidence of bladder and urinary tract infections. They are also prone to viral diseases when their immune system is compromised.

Since B blood types can metabolize dairy products and most foods, they will usually lose weight effortlessly as long as peanuts, corn, wheat, and lentils are eliminated from the diet.

Blood Type AB
The rarest and newest blood type to evolve (1500 years old) was the AB blood type. This blood type is the most well adapted to a moderate diet. The type-AB individual benefits from both the A and B type diets.

Meat is not as well digested as seafood, dairy, wheat-free grains and soy foods.

The type-ABs are prone to either diseases encountered by the Type-As or the type-Bs. By undergoing further metabolic typing, it can be determined which diseases they are most likely to be vulnerable.

For weight loss and maintaining a healthy weight, AB's do best on seafood, dairy, nuts and grains

Hope this helps some people.

John

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by Georgia on Aug 21^st, 2003, 9:42am

Thank you, John. I found it VERY interesting....to the point where I shouted "HOLY SHIT" when I read it.

Quote:

the type-B individual does best on a dairy diet with some meat (no chicken)

This is the line that really got me. For the past two years, I haven't eaten chicken. I have no reason for not eating it, it just all of a sudden made me ill to even THINK about it, let alone get it anywhere near my lips. BLAGH! No one, including me, understood where this came from.....maybe my body somehow knew?

I could live off of dairy...mmmm..cheese. Bread never did much for me anyway....I like cheap cheap white bread that just dissolves in your mouth and doesn't taste like bread.

This whole thing is striking if ya ask me. So should I eliminate corn, lentils, peanuts, and wheat to help my CH? Or just reduce grains and meat and stay away from chicken? I could get the book myself, huh? :) This is more fun though. As someone who this has helped, what do you suggest for me?

Thanks again, John.

Title: Re: Blood group?
Post by jmorgan52 on Aug 21^st, 2003, 3:56pm

Georgina,

I started this thread because I was interested in whether CH was blood group related. It clearly is not as it was pointed out that the spread of blood groups closely matches the spread of CH.

What has transpired for me is that maybe each blood group has certain different foods they should be avoiding, and some they should be eating more of. I am O+ and it seems my intuition to avoid wheat may well be correct for me. It also seems from my own research prompted by you that I should also avoid dairy and perhaps eat more meat.

As you are B- then your food requirements are perhaps very different from mine. The "book" has an exhaustively long list of do's and don'ts which I cannot possibly reproduce here, so my advice is to try avoiding items on this short list as you suggest and see how it goes.

What stands out for me is that we have all been looking for "triggers", where actually the triggers might be different for individuals, and may take a very long time to affect us.

Off the subject a little, I undertook a high protein, low dairy, zero carbs diet in 1979 as I was very overweight. It worked rapidly. I ate like a horse (lion?) and lost over 30 kgs in about 8-12 weeks. I also nearly got a divorce into the bargain due to my slightly obsessive and difficult eating patterns during this time. When I went back onto the "normal family diet" including bread, dairy, alchohol and sugar 6 months later to keep my family happy I started to gain weight again at the rate of 1-2kgs per year until I was almost back to my old size 20 years later. Since cutting out wheat (as much as I can bring myself to) last year I have lost over 12 kgs but I still eat a lot.

John