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(Message started by: youngmichael on Oct 19^th, 2005, 1:25pm)

Title: Hallucinogens
Post by youngmichael on Oct 19^th, 2005, 1:25pm

I'm sure a lot of you have seen this site: http://www.clusterbusters.com/

It is a site suggesting the possibilty that hallucinogens might stop a cluster cycle in some people.

I am thinking about trying mushrooms to see if it can get rid of my headaches. I am a little afraid of the possiblity that in the long term it could make my clusters worse. Has anyone tried hallucinogens for clusters? Did they work? Anything anyone has to say abou this would be greatly apprecaited.

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by rextangle on Oct 19^th, 2005, 1:53pm

Well, YoungMichael, I suggest that you read the entire Clusterbusters.com page. Also, there are lots of threads here about mushrooms and LSA seeds (hawaiian baby woodrose seeds, morning glory, and rivea corymbosa seeds).

I don't know why you would think that in a long term it would make your clusters worse... where do you get that from?

The few days following the dose, you might get hit harder and more often and then they usually taper.
Are you chronic or episodic?

How young or old are you?
Have you ever done anything like mushrooms or LSD before?

Please ask questions, and then decide for yourself.
We can help you make sure you're doing this right.

Read Squanto's post about alternate therapy.

Good luck to you.
Rex

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by rextangle on Oct 19^th, 2005, 1:57pm

PS: I've tried the treatment several times.
I'm a chronic sufferer with a really tough case of CH.

However, I've had some really positive results with this type of treatment. They haven't gone away, but provided relief for me by decreasing the intensity of the pain and how often I get hit. I've also once got 2 weeks of PF time from it, which to me is an awsome vacation from this pain.

Cheers,
Rex

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by youngmichael on Oct 19^th, 2005, 2:01pm

Thanks for responding ,Rextangle.

I am 26 years old. I have been having clusters since I was 17. I have episodic clusters. I did LSD when I was 16 about 10 times...and that's where my fear comes from. I am a little afraid that that may have had something to do with me getting them in the first place.

I will deffinately read the entire clusterbusters page....I only skimmed over it yesterday.

I heard that Terrence Mckenna suffered from cluster headaches. That's another reason why I worry about hallucinogens causing clusters. I wish I could find some literature by him on his clusters. Does anyone know if he spoke or wrote about them, and whether he thought taking hallucinogens helped him.

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by rextangle on Oct 19^th, 2005, 2:20pm

I've never heard of Terrence Mckenna suffering from CH.
Do you have a link to this article?

As far as "being afraid"... keep in mind that the dose of mushrooms you would be taking is considered "sub recreational". Meaning that you are not required to do large amounts of it in order to achieve good results.

It is actually recommended that you start with an extremely small dose in order to test your sensitivity to psilocybin.
Mostlikely since you've done LSD, you know a bit about the effects of psychedelic drugs.

However, mushrooms and LSD are 2 different animals.
A really bad analogy would be to compare them to a horse and a zebra. Like I said "really bad analogy".

Now, a better route might be to take LSA.
LSA is a cousin of LSD, but you would be bypassing the "regular expected effects" of mushrooms or LSD.

Most people have had great results with 3 seeds.
I promise you that you won't even notice any side effects.

Make sure that you get the seeds from a sure source.
You want vialable seeds that are UNTREATED, otherwise you're in for a gastro-intestinal fiesta, if you know what I mean.

A lot of us have gotten our seeds from:
www.iamshaman.com
But other places sells them too.

Keep asking questions and don't be afraid.
Rex

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by youngmichael on Oct 25^th, 2005, 8:24pm

Thanks Rex. I appreciate it.

I heard Terence Mckenna say that he suffered from CH in one of his taped interviews. I listened to it quite a while ago, so I can't remember which one it is. I will try to find it again, though.

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by nani on Oct 25^th, 2005, 9:03pm

Hi Michael, the clusterbuster treatments worked for me.
After 5 years, I was able to say that I was episodic again. :)
Here is a record of my experiences:
http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=meds;action=display;num=1122088913
pain free wishes, nani

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by youngmichael on Oct 27^th, 2005, 5:26pm

After listening to a bunch of the Terence Mckenna interviews floating around the web, I found the one where he speaks about having CH. It is from the Tree of Knowledge series.

http://www.chrislight.net/terence.html

The file is "Terence Mckenna - Tree Of Knowledge - 2 - of 8 rc.mp3" and the short part is from 62:40 - 63:33.

Like I said earlier in the thread, I would be very interested in hearing more about what he has to say on the subject of CH. If anyone knows anywhere else where Mckenna talks about CH, please let me know. Thanks.

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by BikerBob on Oct 27^th, 2005, 6:18pm

on 10/27/05 at 17:26:52, youngmichael wrote:

After listening to a bunch of the Terence Mckenna interviews floating around the web, I found the one where he speaks about having CH. It is from the Tree of Knowledge series.

http://www.chrislight.net/terence.html

The file is "Terence Mckenna - Tree Of Knowledge - 2 - of 8 rc.mp3" and the short part is from 62:40 - 63:33.

Like I said earlier in the thread, I would be very interested
in hearing more about what he has to say on the subject of CH. If anyone knows anywhere else where Mckenna talks about CH, please let me know. Thanks.

Thanks for the link to those McKenna tapes. I can't seem to find the part where he speaks about having CH on tape 2 of 8. How far into the tape is it and how do I get to 62:40 - 63:33 ?

Thanks,
BB

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by youngmichael on Oct 27^th, 2005, 6:41pm

on 10/27/05 at 18:18:47, BikerBob wrote:

Thanks for the link to those McKenna tapes. I can't seem to find the part where he speaks about having CH on tape 2 of 8. How far into the tape is it and how do I get to 62:40 - 63:33 ?

Thanks,
BB

It's about 3/4 of the way into it. On windows media player it starts about 01:02:55 into it, and in winamp the timeline seems a bit inconsistant...when I first listened it was 62:40, but each time I listen the timeline shifts a bit. It's somewhere around there, though.

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by Jonny on Oct 27^th, 2005, 7:05pm

on 10/27/05 at 18:18:47, BikerBob wrote:

Thanks for the link to those McKenna tapes. I can't seem to find the part where he speaks about having CH on tape 2 of 8. How far into the tape is it and how do I get to 62:40 - 63:33 ?

Com'on Bob, even I found it.....friggin dude makes Art Bell look like a genius. Just after he talks about aliens landing on the whitehouse lawn he mentions meegraines and CH......You will LYAO listening to this guy.....LOL ;;D

Edit to add: http://www.thecomingoftan.com/default.html

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by youngmichael on Oct 27^th, 2005, 7:30pm

on 10/27/05 at 19:05:55, Jonny wrote:

Some people think Mckenna is a nutcase, while others see him as a pioneer. That's besides the point, though. Just realize that this is a guy who wanted to legalize the very thing that might be able help people with CH. That part doesn't sound so crazy to me.

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by Jonny on Oct 27^th, 2005, 7:37pm

on 10/27/05 at 19:30:38, youngmichael wrote:

Just realize that this is a guy who wanted to legalize the very thing that might be able help people with CH. That part doesn't sound so crazy to me.

Yeah, but you need to realize that he didnt want it legalized for CH, Hell, he spoke about CH in that clip for 5 seconds if that.

Put it this way...if your taking that much and you have CH....you would talk more than 5 seconds on it.....Dudes a friggin loon in the third degree, Bro!

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by youngmichael on Oct 27^th, 2005, 7:55pm

on 10/27/05 at 19:37:04, Jonny wrote:

Okay, you may be right, Johnny. I thought the same thing myself. CH kind of consumes a person's life. However, what if psilocybin significantly reduces the severity of CH...we're talking about a guy that did his share and more of hallucinogens in his life. I'm just guessing here, but maybe that helped a lot with his CH...so much so, that his headaches were much less painful and his cycles much less frequent...so he didn't think about it as much as you and I. I don't know, really. I'm just scratching for answers. But I don't want to scoff at something without fully investing my time in it to find out if it is helpful or not. I'm willing to leave my ego at the door on this one. I want a cure, and I don't mind checking out weird and strange avenues to get there.

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by BikerBob on Oct 27^th, 2005, 8:10pm

Thanks again for the link to the KcKenna tapes, youngmichael. I found the part where he says he has cluster headaches.

After reading http://www.clusterbusters.com read this webpage:

http://www.miqel.com/clusterheadaches/clusterheadaches.html

Good luck in your quest,
BB

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by Jonny on Oct 27^th, 2005, 8:10pm

on 10/27/05 at 19:55:09, youngmichael wrote:

we're talking about a guy that did his share and more of hallucinogens in his life. .

Why did he do it?.....to get high....nuff said!

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by youngmichael on Oct 27^th, 2005, 8:26pm

on 10/27/05 at 20:10:59, Jonny wrote:

Why did he do it?.....to get high....nuff said!

I think that what he's saying is that hallucinogens have been a part of human history for millenia. Only recently have we stopped ingesting them, and our current world problems are linked to the fact that we don't.

I don't know what I think about that. But if it turns out that hallucinogens help with CH, from a evolutionary point of view it lends a bit of credability to Mckenna's theory.

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by Jonny on Oct 27^th, 2005, 8:54pm

on 10/27/05 at 20:26:44, youngmichael wrote:

I don't know what I think about that. But if it turns out that hallucinogens help with CH

Stick with clusterbusters......they are on the right track to getting the pain out of your head!

FUCK, the dude that is seeing aliens landing......thats my point.

Good luck!

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by youngmichael on Oct 27^th, 2005, 9:12pm

on 10/27/05 at 20:54:01, Jonny wrote:

Stick with clusterbusters......they are on the right track to getting the pain out of your head!

FUCK, the dude that is seeing aliens landing......thats my point.

Good luck!

Thanks, Jonny. I hope I can get the pain out. I've got an appointment with a naturopath in a week (I've given up on traditional medicine at this point). If that doesn't help, clusterbusters is plan b.

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by rextangle on Oct 27^th, 2005, 9:17pm

Yep, again all the info are available at:

www.cluserbusters.com

But don't do it if your only goal is to meet aliens! ;;D

They aren't worth the bother!

Good luck to you!
Rex

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by thebbz on Oct 27^th, 2005, 10:12pm

Clusterbusters gets my vote. 8) Works for me ...so far.
jb

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by Beastfodder on Oct 28^th, 2005, 5:45am

Youngmichael,

7/8 years of CH and wish I'd done clusterbusters 7/8 years back. Read, learn and relax.

You don't have to get out of your head for this to work.

I only found this place last year - and it's done more for the quality of my life than the entire NHS managed to do in the UK. You're in good hands.

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by JJA on Oct 28^th, 2005, 8:30am

on 10/27/05 at 19:37:04, Jonny wrote:

Yeah, but you need to realize that he didnt want it legalized for CH, Hell, he spoke about CH in that clip for 5 seconds if that.

Cluster Headaches and Clusterbusters made me realize that our drug laws are trampling all over our rights. Our government doesn't want people to get high so it bans certain substances without considering the medical and religious use of a small minority. (Like Nots' quote says "Democracy is 3 wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner" ) Even when drugs are allowed for medical purposes the government steps in if someone is using more than it wants (like we see with the DEA's war on opiates). Now I believe that if someone wants to use a drug as medicine or even to talk to aliens, as long as they're not hurting anyone else, why should we send them to jail? Why don't we have the right to decide what we can put in our bodies? Why does the US have 4% of the worlds population, but 25% of the world's prisoners?

Jesse

Title: Re: Hallucinogens
Post by youngmichael on Oct 28^th, 2005, 1:41pm

It's places like CH.com and clusterbusters that make the internet such a gift. It is a wonderful thing when a person can empower themselves with the knowledge to make changes in their life, and I thank you all for that.

JJA: Personally, I have no idea why governments would ban non addictive drugs with no evidence of long term negative effects. We make drugs legal that have been tested for less than a decade, and yet ban drugs that have been used by people for thousands of years.