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Title: Really, really alternative therapy Post by daniel_tn on Aug 8th, 2005, 8:11am :-X several weeks ago i was talking with a colleague about my headaches (which yesterday, after a CAT scan, were diagnosed as CH), and she asked if i was interested in "alternative" medicine. i answered, yes, of course. so, next day she brings me a book about urine therapy!! :o :P the idea of drinking my own pee is a bit repellent to me. but... now that i am experiencing this savage pain, and know what it is, i have more of an open mind. does anyone have an opinion or experience with urine therapy?? regards to all, daniel |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by Chillrmn1 on Aug 8th, 2005, 8:17am Yes, my opinion is: I'm not trying this one! |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by Melissa on Aug 8th, 2005, 8:30am Um, are you sure this colleague isn't just BS'ing you? :-/ I have never heard of urine therapy before, nor would I want to try it. :P What is the name of the book and who is it authored by? I'm curious to know... |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by daniel_tn on Aug 8th, 2005, 8:34am on 08/08/05 at 08:30:32, Melissa wrote:
nope, it is definitely not bs. here is the book, ... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0963209116/qid=1123507966/sr=8-9/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i9_xgl14/102-1040790-4816918?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by Melissa on Aug 8th, 2005, 8:46am Thanks for the link. I have never heard of this lady, but seeing the other books shes written, she seems to be all for self help. Description about the author: Quote:
Personally, I wouldn't trust it. I'd try the other alternative routes first (like Kudzu (which I'm doing now) or CB). But that's just me. Hey, if you want to try it, more power to you. Perhaps you could be the first guinea pig for this supposed "treatment"? |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by daniel_tn on Aug 8th, 2005, 8:49am the book looks pretty thorough, but the notion that urine could be the cure-all that she and its proponents make it out to be is just counterintuitive. i am searching for kudzu locally, and will buy some today. ;;D :D |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by jcmquix on Aug 8th, 2005, 8:52am on 08/08/05 at 08:34:21, daniel_tn wrote:
Your Own (Urine) perfect Medicine..... I don't think so.... [smiley=JAW_DROP.gif] [smiley=nono.gif] No F**King Way [smiley=nono.gif] I'll beg my Dr for more TREX, before I would try that one. [smiley=eek5.gif] [smiley=hurl.gif] [smiley=eek5.gif] [smiley=me&mb.gif] Go Ahead Dude.. Keep Good Notes.. Note: Not Recomended by me... What if you get a Urine infection... in your belly.... (Blach, Blach, Blach... Nasty) PFDAY to ALL !!! I'll put my P where it belongs... in the Toliet... Charlie |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by vig on Aug 8th, 2005, 10:04am [smiley=crackup.gif] priceless! |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by ClusterChuck on Aug 8th, 2005, 10:16am Many of you may laugh, but urine has had success in other areas. I am just not sure I could DRINK it! Some of its usages are: Flushing the ears, to cure ear infections. Soaking feet in it to cure certain types of athlete's feet. Urinating on your genitals after sex with a stranger to help prevent STD's Urinating on cuts to clean and prevent infection It seems to me that it better used OUTSIDE the body, than internally. Or at least in "my book" it is! Chuck |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by LeLimey on Aug 8th, 2005, 10:26am Hmmm.. After you've already filtered all the goodness out of it once what CAN there be left in it to be good for you the second time around?! [smiley=huh.gif] I have heard of it being good for things OUTSIDE the body as Chuck said, hard skin is another one.. but I'd think carefully about this one.. I think someone is taking the piss here mate ;) |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by nani on Aug 8th, 2005, 10:40am Not for me, thanks. There are 3 wondeful alternatives available now that are working for many. I'm glad you're trying one of those first. If you can't find kudzu locally (look in health food and vitamin stores) it's available online. The fastest shipper is iherb.com, IMHO. pain free wishes, nani |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by vig on Aug 8th, 2005, 10:51am on 08/08/05 at 10:16:41, ClusterChuck wrote:
How are you supposed to urinate on your own genitals there CHuck?! bending and twisting? anyway, I hear you can also pee on a jellyfish sting to neutralize the pain there.... ;;D |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 8th, 2005, 11:14am on 08/08/05 at 10:16:41, ClusterChuck wrote:
Okay, I'm going to go ahead and just push this thread right over the degenerate cliff.... Are you referring to a Golden Shower? |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by daniel_tn on Aug 8th, 2005, 11:17am on 08/08/05 at 11:14:41, seasonalboomer wrote:
well, here is another book on the subject. i haven't read this one.... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0963209159/qid=1123517783/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-1040790-4816918?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by jcmquix on Aug 8th, 2005, 11:30am on 08/08/05 at 11:17:01, daniel_tn wrote:
Sorry Daniel... I am not trying to make fun of you, but I do not think I would post or reference something that I have not tried or a book that I have not read..... I just does not seem like a good idea, like I said earlier "This is not for me"... I would consult a Dr though, before I tried it, consider the RISK..... I would much rather die from the TREX, before I drink my Urine.... [smiley=hurl.gif] PFDAN's to YOU !!!! |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by daniel_tn on Aug 8th, 2005, 11:36am on 08/08/05 at 11:30:49, jcmquix wrote:
i thought this was an open forum so that's why i posted about this subject. i haven't tried drinking my own urine or doing anything else with it. and i really don't want to. i thought i'd post the subject to the board to see if anyone has experience with it or opinion, as i stated in my introductory to this thread. i wanted to learn as much as i could before i even considered trying something as gross as that. |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 8th, 2005, 11:41am on 08/08/05 at 11:36:02, daniel_tn wrote:
don't be defensive. as you admit, this is pretty bizarre stuff. it is an open forum, and thus any replies to "the bizarre" should be greeted with as open a mind as you expect from others. |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by daniel_tn on Aug 8th, 2005, 11:44am on 08/08/05 at 11:41:44, seasonalboomer wrote:
sorry. i think i'm getting an attack soon. it's making me testy, much more than i normally am. i'm going to get some kudzu in about an hour, and some coffee. |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by jcmquix on Aug 8th, 2005, 12:08pm daniel_tn... I am sorry if you thought I was attacking you or about to attack you, I am not going to. I just have a close friend who just got off a severe bacterical infection in his Large Intestine (Stomach), He had to go on the Bag (S**T Bag) for almost 120 days, he told me his Dr said allot of people get these infections from Fecies (S**T) & Urine contaminating Water Sources.... Short of the Long Story.... I do not think its a good idea to put the waste, back into your body that your Kidneys Dispell..... It's just my opion.... PFDAN to YOU !!! Charlie |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by daniel_tn on Aug 8th, 2005, 12:12pm thank you. no need to apologize, really. i feel like crap, and trying to figure out a way to feel uncrappy. in fact, i feel like i want to puke now, :-X and not because i have a stomach ache, it's because i'm terrified of the attack that i know is coming soon. i agree with you about the whoile urine thing, it sounds completely counterintuitive and gross. i have no intention of doing it. i just wanted to respect my colleague by looking into it and not dismissing right away. i've been familiar with this kind of "therapy" for a long time and dismissed it years ago as hoooey. but now, since these CH headaches, i was fairly open to at least reading that book. i'd rather get some kudzu, though. thanks for your reply and i'm sorry i snapped ::) |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by gore2424 on Aug 8th, 2005, 12:14pm hello all before i became chronic Nov. 1999 i was seeking a shrinks help for depression and pain and the Dr turned me on to a book called "Managing Pain Before it Manages You " by Margaret A. Caudill,MD,PhD. I did some of the relaxation technics to try and help BUT the most important thing i got from this book was the pages i copied pacing activites worksheet, food diary,daily record of automatic thoughts,pain diary,relaxation responce technique diary,feed back sheets and the most important one a sign to put on a door "PLEASE DO NOT DISTURB I'm relaxing per my doctor's orders" i have keept pages full and since 1996 keept up almost every day to now what a stack of paper work and it helped my Neuro and even helped work (on disability now since Jan 03) understand what i was going thur i think it might help some cluster people and should get this and keep records for your Dr visits or work maybe even some of the relaxation technques might i say maybe work for some it talks about decreasing depression, discomfort,and anxiety it helps you understand the pain process and even talks about meds and their effects. if any one needs maybe just the sheets like i keep i would be more than happy to e-mail them to you if you cant get book or never thought if it might even be able to get it online some how i am just trying to help any one i can Terry |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by floridian on Aug 8th, 2005, 12:14pm Moraji Desai (former prime minister of India) was a big fan of the 'drink your own' method. It may help some conditions but could also aggravate others (too much nitrogen/kidney disease. Not sure whether it would be a way to recycle melatonin or other factors and help CH . Like most of us, I would rather try other alternatives (all of them) before resorting to this. |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by Sandy_C on Aug 8th, 2005, 12:45pm No thanks, I'll pass on this one. :-X |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by Racer1_NC on Aug 8th, 2005, 12:51pm Sheds new light on the phrase "piss on it" doesn't it? Unless SOMEONE ELSE proves it to be 100% effective, I'll pass on this one. ;;D B |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 8th, 2005, 12:53pm on 08/08/05 at 12:51:52, Racer1_NC wrote:
as well as helping define "feeling a little pissy today." |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by Kendra on Aug 8th, 2005, 1:58pm Hi Daniel! Have you tried drinking a lot of water or do the water therapy? I'd do that before I'd consume my own (or others') waste products. I would try the kudzu, also, before ingesting urine. Have you seen this link? http://skepdic.com/urine.html It would be crazy to try this before trying everything else possible, wouldn't you think? After all, your body dispells this stuff after absorbing all the nutrients from it. It's really full of bacteria and other things we attempt to wash away! From The Chinese Association of Urine Therapy, as quoted on that link: Common symptoms include diarrhea, itch, pain, fatigue, soreness of the shoulder, fever, etc. These symptoms appear more frequently in patients suffering long term or more serious illnesses, and symptoms may repeat several times. Each episode may last 3-7 days, but sometimes it may last one month, or even worse over 6 months. It is a pity that many give up urine therapy because of such bad episode [sic]. Recovery reaction is just like the darkness before sunrise. If one persists and overcomes the difficulty, one can enjoy the eventual happiness of healthy life. It sounds as if even they recognize that, after first drinking the stuff, you'll have some toxic effects. I know they're saying that if you stick it out, you'll reap its benefits. Of course, you might have to wait six months or so, first. Maybe they are mistaken. Maybe after your body gets used to it, after you are sick as a dog for a while, your body gets used to having bacteria-laden substances and your body starts to learn how to function normally (and you stop having all those horrible symptoms) despite the urine. Maybe, by then, you are just so glad you aren't vomiting regularly, fighting of nausea and stomach aches and diarrhea and soreness that you think you're doing much better. Water therapy sounds more appealing than urine therapy, I think. Addendum: I had to add these links from the bottom of the page I cited before. They're pretty good: http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/The_20Restaurant_20of_20Urine-Altering_20Cuisine http://www.abc.net.au/science/correx/archives/piss.htm http://www.quackwatch.org/search/webglimpse.cgi?ID=1&query=urine+therapy http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/altbelief.html |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by vig on Aug 8th, 2005, 2:22pm "Urine therapy refers to one of several uses of urine to prevent or cure sickness, to enhance beauty or to cleanse one's bowels. Most devotees drink the midstream of their morning urine. Some prefer it straight and steaming hot; others mix it with juice or serve it over fruit. Some prefer a couple of urine drops mixed with a tablespoon of water applied sublingually several times a day. Some wash themselves in their own golden fluid to improve their skin quality. Many modern Japanese women are said to engage in urine bathing. The truly daring use their own urine as an enema. Urine is not quite the breakfast of champions, but it is the elixir of choice of a number of holy men in India where drinking urine has been practiced for thousands of years. The drink is also the preferred pick-me-up for a growing number of naturopaths and other advocates of "nature cures." " "sssssserve it over fruit"? "truly daring"? 'pick-me-up'? 'elixir of choice'? good luck buddy! [smiley=crackup.gif] |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by rextangle on Aug 8th, 2005, 2:26pm I'd rather be pissed off than pissed on! ;;D LMAO Seriously... [smiley=damncomputer.gif] |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by JDH on Aug 8th, 2005, 2:43pm El Paso Next! Jim |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by unsolved1 on Aug 8th, 2005, 3:11pm Holy Piss ... clusterheads will try anything !! (Just not this clusterhead) UNsolved |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by E-Double on Aug 8th, 2005, 3:35pm I personally wouldn't mess with it not so much because of the "skeeve" factor but because of the potential toxins. There is something to be said about building up immunity by ingesting toxins though..... Then again if you want to drink piss dude ya might as well grab some cheap light beer. Regardless of what you do I wish you well on your journey and path to pain relief!!! Eric |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by Frank_W on Aug 8th, 2005, 3:49pm The urine therapy might be a good route, if you don't mind being called, "piss gargler" for the rest of your life. ::) |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by rextangle on Aug 8th, 2005, 4:06pm Yes! I think that if you drink enough booze, then you can drink your own pee which is apparently now a cure! |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by BobG on Aug 8th, 2005, 8:12pm Drinking your own waste products, or a close friend's, is not a medical treatment for any disease. It is a sign of mental illness. I have a list of some treatments people have posted over the years. This one is going to the top of the "You have-got-to-be-shiting-me." list. Thanks for posting it. |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by Frank_W on Aug 8th, 2005, 8:34pm "Piss-Gargling For Fun & Profit"? [smiley=laugh.gif] Actually, there is one thing you can do with piss that's actually kind of fun: Eat a whole bunch of asparagus, and then drink lots of water. After a couple of hours, your urine will be quite.. "aromatic." Pee into a styrofoam cup, cover with plastic wrap, and place in your freezer. The next morning, it will be frozen. By peeling away the styrofoam, you have just successfully created the "Piss Puck." Place it in a neighbor's vehicle, on their couch, toss it through the mail slot of their front door, drop it in their laundry hamper, slip it into their soup du jour... Truly, the possibilities are endless. Thus ends today's lesson in "Fun With Bodily Fluids." You're welcome. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by BobG on Aug 8th, 2005, 9:02pm You are a sick man, Frank. Please seek professional help. ;) |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by Flash on Aug 9th, 2005, 3:22am Drinking urine is illegal in the state of Florida. |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by Frank_W on Aug 9th, 2005, 8:06am on 08/08/05 at 21:02:38, BobG wrote:
LMMFAO! |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 9th, 2005, 8:36am This sick thread just triggers all kinds of "thoughts"...... So you take your "treatment" and you say, "come here honey, give me a kiss"..... I'm quite certain that all forms of traditional affection in my household would fade to black. |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by dirky on Aug 10th, 2005, 8:18am Jeez, talk about being uptight about you own bodies guys, Most of you seem to think your piss is full of bacteria. Where on earth did you all get this idea from. I certainly hope my bladder is not a seething mass of microrganisms. Seasonalboomer, Hey, I've heard rumours that American men are not realy up to it in the bedroom department when compared to us european Cassanovas, but are you trying to tell me that you wouldn't want your wife to put her lips somewhere that your pee has been? (& vice versa) (think about it) Actualy, I've heard that thats also ilegal in certain states |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 10th, 2005, 8:28am Dirky, So are you saying that your wife would love to engage in a little tongue dance with you right after you've just downed a pint of pee-pee? She'd find that to be turn-on would she? First time I've heard the Welsh clumped in with the idea of "euro cassanovas". As for lips being placed where pee-pee has been, I do try to not piss all over myself before such activity is considered - i'm not sure what y'all do over there. Scott |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by Frank_W on Aug 10th, 2005, 8:44am And actually, in all fairness, one's own urine is sterile to them. In POW camps, one's own urine can be used to irrigate and wash burns and other wounds. |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 10th, 2005, 8:49am on 08/10/05 at 08:44:38, Frank_W wrote:
And to think that the whole concept was explored on an episode of "Friends" and not "MacGyver"? |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by Frank_W on Aug 10th, 2005, 8:54am I don't know. I don't watch TV, except for boxing and Forensic Files. I learned lots of handy stuff about "alternative medicine" because it was part of my training, should I ever be taken POW. Other things like using maggots to debride wounds, because they eat only dead tissue. Stuff like that... |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by rextangle on Aug 10th, 2005, 12:24pm Frank wrote: you have just successfully created the "Piss Puck. LMAOROTF [smiley=crackup.gif] |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by Leggs on Aug 10th, 2005, 12:53pm Not interested in this therapy. Too much nitorgenous waste products kill off your fish tank, you think I want to drink it on purpose? I think it would be a matter of a reverse psychology of sorts, after you survived it, you would think the CH was not so bad afterall. Gives a whole new meaning to PFdays ie: Pee Free days.. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by Frank_W on Aug 10th, 2005, 3:14pm LMAO, Leggs!! A case of the cure being far worse than the condition? LOL! |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by clarence on Aug 11th, 2005, 10:29am I have been doing this for quite some time. Cured my migraines. Doesn't touch my CH. ;;D ;) Casey <ps - for the noobees, I am joking> |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by Frank_W on Aug 11th, 2005, 3:29pm This thread is really pissin' me off. Gee whiz.... [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by rextangle on Aug 11th, 2005, 3:45pm Yes Frank, as they say in France "Oui, oui!" |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by Charlie on Aug 11th, 2005, 10:16pm This is one of those things that come up when desperate people try to deal with chronic pain or other such frustrating diseases. Not my idea of something to do. :P Hope you et a break.....like yesterday. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by Frank_W on Aug 12th, 2005, 7:48am on 08/11/05 at 15:45:10, rextangle wrote:
LMAO!! Gives a whole new meaning to "taking the piss" out of someone. [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=me&mb.gif] <---Sure: They may look happy NOW, but just wait 'til they realize they've been drinking piss! [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by rextangle on Aug 12th, 2005, 12:16pm Where is Pee-Wee when you need him? ;;D |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by paul_pero on Aug 13th, 2005, 7:06am I wish I found this thread a long time ago. I've been wasting my piss and flushing it down the toilet. I could have been bottling it and selling it to all of you! [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Really, really alternative therapy Post by mynm156 on Aug 15th, 2005, 5:26pm [smiley=spit.gif] [smiley=hurl.gif] |
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