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(Message started by: birdman on Jun 10^th, 2005, 1:43pm)

Title: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by birdman on Jun 10^th, 2005, 1:43pm

I am a chronic victim, use prednisoen taper and verapamil(up to 1200 mg). Currently up to the max and using O2, Imitrex and Zomig as acute defenses. Recently found Sinusbuster online and I swear it has been very helpful. It usually stops the headache in its tracks, though sometimes it returns after the effect wears off. Takes some getting used to as it burns a bit, but my Neuro was glad to see that it was available as a spray and told me to run with it. Willing to try anything!

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 10^th, 2005, 1:46pm

You got a lot of medications going on there ---
Have you done a search on the Sinusbusters previously on these boards? There is a search function that might help you and you can see the feedback that exists regarding sinusbusters.
Try this thread:
http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=chspecific;a ction=display;num=1113713851

Good luck

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by E-Double on Jun 10^th, 2005, 2:37pm

Good luck with the pepper spray but know this.....if you mix your imitrex and zomig you'll have no need for any of the meds since CH will be non existant=== Ya might kill yourself!

Careful!

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 10^th, 2005, 3:11pm

Where's Helen today?

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by pattik on Jun 10^th, 2005, 3:19pm

I think she's getting her stick ;)

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Bob P on Jun 10^th, 2005, 3:49pm

A variation on the capsaisin. Our old friend Paco could abort an attack with a dash of tobasco under his tongue. He even handed out those tiny little bottle of tobasco at the atlanta OUCH convention.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Ueli on Jun 10^th, 2005, 4:07pm

Many more than have tried it are those who try to plug Sinusbuster here. :-/

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by LeLimey on Jun 10^th, 2005, 4:24pm

I'm holding fire until I see his two previous posts!
Just so you know I'm here, I just can't get it to pull them up for me right now :-/

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by nani on Jun 10^th, 2005, 4:29pm

Birdman doesn't strike me as a troll. He may have found relief with it. Vig reported positive results when he accidentally got hot sauce in his eye ( :o OUCH) during a hit. Personally, I'd never try it. And I sure as hell wouldn't buy Sinusbuster brand....

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Redd715 on Jun 10^th, 2005, 8:03pm

Actually, for vig it was the oil of the peppers he was cutting up. It was on his hands. I have my stick ready but not about to pounce yet.

.......................................yet

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by vig on Jun 10^th, 2005, 9:49pm

It was pepper oil on my hand from cooking Jalapenos for dinner.

The headache was very teary and harsh.
I rubbed my sore eye and immediately realized what I had done and instead of burning, it was a warm, buzzing feeling, slowly coating my eye and going back down the trigeminal nerve. The attack was gone within minutes. I've done this again a few times and it does work for me, but only once in a while. If the attack isn't teary or wet, and the pepper oil doesn't move around and get diluted, then it burns. I also believe it has to go in the eye to get to the trigeminal nerve, not through the nose like SinusBuster and Civamide (a synthetic Capsaicin that was studied about a year or two ago.)
My $.02
be careful out there.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by BlueMeanie on Jun 11^th, 2005, 2:48am

Hello Birdman,

That's great the the pepper spray worked for you and I'm not doubting you at this point. For may of us that have had CH's for years have found different things (out of the ordinary) that actually worked. But, we've learned that it was always a fluke and didn't work next time around.

So now I have questions for you if you don't mind responding. We are a bunch of inquisitive people. :o

How long has this pepper spray been working for you ?

How long have you had cluster headaches ?

How long have you been chronic ?

Does Trex and Zomig abort your CH's ? (I hope you're not mixing those triptans)

Does 02 abort your CH's ?

Do you take 1200mg of verapamil daily as a preventive ? (if so, does it keep your attacks at bay ?) If not why keep taking it ?)

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by wetdogtwo on Jun 11^th, 2005, 11:42am

Civamide worked for me, but it's very uncomfortable and it takes days for it to work. The headaches were much milder and my episode ended much, much sooner.

That said, I've had much better success with psychedelics. Also, I don't think Civamide is approved for CH. I was lucky enough to participate in a study.

I know nothing about Sinusbuster except that apparently they use shady marketing tactics. But if it works for you, then run with it!

Marty

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by LeLimey on Jun 12^th, 2005, 4:24pm

Ive just been to the OUCH UK conference today and capsaicin was one of the things mentioned by Professor Goadsby under the heading of "Foolish things people have tried" He did actually conduct a trial into it which failed miserably and clinicaly proved to be of no help whatsover. He politely suggested there might be better places to shove the peppers!

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by lildick on Jun 12^th, 2005, 4:58pm

SinusBusters worked great for me...everyone should try it, its worth the money for no pain.
lildick

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by pattik on Jun 12^th, 2005, 5:09pm

on 06/12/05 at 16:24:01, LeLimey wrote:

He politely suggested there might be better places to shove the peppers!

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] :-X

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by LeLimey on Jun 12^th, 2005, 5:31pm

lil dick..

nuff said ;;D

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by lildick on Jun 12^th, 2005, 6:05pm

on 06/12/05 at 17:31:25, LeLimey wrote:

lil dick..

nuff said ;;D

Im sorry if I offended you

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by maffumatt on Jun 12^th, 2005, 7:12pm

Troll or a poser I cant figure it out which one yet, which one are you lildick with the big ASS.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by BlueMeanie on Jun 12^th, 2005, 7:34pm

on 06/12/05 at 19:12:42, maffumatt wrote:

Troll or a poser I cant figure it out which one yet, which one are you lildick with the big ASS.

LMAO... looks like ya ran it off whatever it was.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by birdman on Jun 13^th, 2005, 8:04am

Sorry for the delay in posting. I am definetly not a salesperson. I didn;t think I would get such a neg response. Thought I would share something that helped. My apoligies to those who think I have other motive. I have had Ch's for 19 years, I am now 35. They began about three months after a concussion, not sure if related. Started using pepper spray when I couldn;t get enough trex from the insurance company. I never mix Zomig and trex but get both so I have enough supply. The verapamil keeps most pain at bay except usually one a day in the morning. That's when I use O2 and pepper spray.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 13^th, 2005, 9:10am

on 06/12/05 at 16:24:01, LeLimey wrote:

He politely suggested there might be better places to shove the peppers!

Owww! Oh that burns!

What a great name Professor Goadsby has? There's a Monty Python sketch in there somewhere.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by vig on Jun 13^th, 2005, 9:46am

Sinus Buster is NOT worth checking into...
my $.02

Capsaicin may be an analgesic, but this is not ready for prime time.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Bob P on Jun 13^th, 2005, 9:49am

I just don't understand why so many have a problem with this treatment. It's a medically proven effective treatment for clusters!

Quote:

A double-blind placebo-controlled trial of intranasal capsaicin for cluster headache.

Marks DR, Rapoport A, Padla D, Weeks R, Rosum R, Sheftell F, Arrowsmith F

Clinical Immunology Unit, Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston 92114.

It has been suggested that treatment of cluster headache (CH) patients with topical capsaicin may desensitize sensory neurons by depleting the nerve terminals of substance P. We attempted to determine whether capsaicin is effective in aborting CH attacks. Patients in acute cluster were randomized to receive either capsaicin or placebo in the ipsilateral nostril for 7 days. Patients recorded the severity of each headache for 15 days. Headaches on days 8-15 of the study were significantly less severe in the capsaicin group vs the placebo group. There was also a significant decrease in headache severity in the capsaicin group on days 8-15 compared to days 1-7, but not in the placebo group. Episodic CH patients appeared to benefit more than chronic CH patients. These results indicate that intranasal capsaicin may provide a new therapeutic option for the treatment of this disease.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 13^th, 2005, 10:01am

I think there really is something to this theory - just ask Paco! He was always touting the wonders of hot peppers.

Mike's often gotten relief from eating hot peppers at attack onset- the capsaicin has abortive properties. It's been proven time and time again.

It's not a cure, but it's definitely a weapon to have in the arsenal. Sometimes I think we might be a little to quick to shout "snake oil".

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 13^th, 2005, 10:10am

What is snake oil? It seems that whenever some questionable remedy is mentioned, everyone is always talking about comparing it to snake oil. Well has anyone really tried snake oil? And for those that have REALLY tried snake oil, do they tell everyone else about there snake oil story, thereby making everyone a snake oil expert? It would appear that everyone knows someone who has actually tried snake oil, because, as Margi says, we're all so quick to shout, "snake oil".

It's too oilly to talk to about snake oil this much. ;)

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by birdman on Jun 13^th, 2005, 10:15am

I think people assume if it doesn't work for them then it doesn;t work for anyone. I am responding well to Verapamil and some do not respond at all. Doesn't mean that Verapamil is not useful. Sometimes think it is all trial and error. Is there a different pepper spray available? Everyone seems to dislike Sinusbuster.
P.S. - Third straight day pain free. :)

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Pinkfloyd on Jun 13^th, 2005, 11:17am

on 06/13/05 at 09:49:53, Bob P wrote:

It's a medically proven effective treatment for clusters!

I know you didn't even suggest this Bobp, and I offer this only as a discussion point, but

I don't think it's a medically proven "abortive" treatment for clusters. Based upon the Rapoport/Sheftell study, it's actions are more akin to methadone. Used daily it may slowly build up it's actions on substance P and pain transmission, reducing pain. Similar to verapamil in building to a therapeutic level and then reducing pain.

As an abortive, it's more an anecdotally suggested effective treatment. At least when I think of an abortive, I think of treating a single attack.

The claims from Sinusbuster that it works on individual attacks is not supported (or unsupported for that matter) by the referenced study.

BTW, does anyone else see the duplication of stated assertions in this abstract?

"A double-blind placebo-controlled trial of intranasal capsaicin for cluster headache.

Headaches on days 8-15 of the study were significantly less severe in the capsaicin group vs the placebo group. There was also a significant decrease in headache severity in the capsaicin group on days 8-15 compared to days 1-7, but not in the placebo group."

Makes me wonder if this was a mistake in editing or purposeful composition.

Bobw

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by cheNY on Jun 13^th, 2005, 9:45pm

hey everyone, I tried it about 3 years ago. I was at the peak of my cycle and to say the least, I was desperate, real desperate. So while working, (I'm a NYC Paramedic) I went to a health store, they had no idea, but they did have Capsaicin concentrate that dispensed with a dropper. So I went for it. Not really sure what to expect, I was nervous. Not as nervous as my partner. I filled the dropper & boom down the nose....... It was ugly, just like being maced right up my nose. I began to salivate & hack from my nose like a bull, I felt like my head was melting from the inside out.
Next time I'll try the recommended dose & concentration.
Good Luck

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by cheNY on Jun 13^th, 2005, 9:46pm

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by cheNY on Jun 13^th, 2005, 9:47pm

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by vig on Jun 13^th, 2005, 9:51pm

on 06/13/05 at 21:47:51, cheNY wrote:

hey everyone,
I began to salivate & hack from my nose like a bull, Good Luck

Excellent...
Good Luck

:D

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by cheNY on Jun 13^th, 2005, 9:54pm

Ooops, looks like I hit the key too many times........ sorry.
kept saying error.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Kevin_M on Jun 14^th, 2005, 2:56am

I'm always SO surprised it is always first time posters that wish to share with us to "try it" after all other avenues have been ineffective for them. Then, never ever have the need to return here for any other conversation after enlightening us to the effectiveness we have been resisting against our own good.
The forsaking of further support or needs after discovering this remedy, or open to any other treatment options altogether it seems once a message to us is imparted after suffering so long, looking, searching, and being lucky enough to have found their magic bullet. It truly must be the wonder drug we have all taken for granted, due to our dogged blind-eyed bias.
It seems it doesn't ever lose it's effectiveness either after years of suffering and searching with all else failing to work for them. The need for any other assistance is not an interest, we have nothing to offer.
I must take a real inner look at myself and examine just how many times this message has been presented in such an honest fashion, and I've yet to realize the genuineness of the hand reaching out to lift me from my narrow-minded stubborn choice to cling to not acknowledging, and embracing what has been so many times sagely suggested, yet I am always not daring or wise enough to realize the nose in front of my face.

What is it I can do about my dilemma. It seems only sensible to read from those, as I should, who have been extending a hand in earnest to me, showing me the way. The writing is on the wall, and I've flushed that toilet so many times in the stall without heeding the wisdom of those before me who have used the John Wayne toilet paper that won't take shit off anyone,

True brave trail blazers showing the way.

Kevin M

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by BobG on Jun 14^th, 2005, 3:32am

on 06/13/05 at 10:10:15, seasonalboomer wrote:

What is snake oil? ;)

It's a product for reptiles with skin problems.
http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=Benson+%26+Sons+Snake+Oil&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=ff&oi=froogler

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by BobG on Jun 14^th, 2005, 3:35am

on 06/13/05 at 21:47:51, cheNY wrote:

I filled the dropper & boom down the nose....... It was ugly, just like being maced right up my nose.

I dont car who ya are, now that thar is funny .[smiley=laugh.gif]

Bet it hurt like a bitch!

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by birdman on Jun 14^th, 2005, 9:01am

Can someone explain what Kevin M is talking about?

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 14^th, 2005, 9:17am

Kevin, that was as eloquent as anything I've ever read here.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 14^th, 2005, 9:36am

Kevin, while I do agree with most of what you say - I think this is one of those treatments that can't just be discarded (like the magnets, boji stones, etc.).

I agree that most of the folks who bring us Sinusbusters never reappear and that they most likely are not actually suffering from cluster headaches, but I think there is definitely merit to this treatment. A few people here (regulars) have found relief from capsaicin - whether it is in spray, pill or food form and I think we have to stick to our mandate of leaving no stone unturned.

Flash brought us the shroom treatment back in the early days and he was definitely thought to be thinking too far outside the box and greeted with little more than suspicion. But look at what his idea has brought this community? It's brought relief to many sufferers.

Can't throw the baby out with the bathwater. This one could be more a case of leaving a basket of goodies on the doorstep and then running like hell, never to be heard from again. But we still end up with the goodies, right? ;)

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 14^th, 2005, 10:20am

Margi, I understand why you write what you write, but simply don't agree. Even the last couple of threads on Capsaicin have had a balance of views. Yes, there apparently have been some people that withstood the pain of shooting pepper spray up there nose and accidentally aborted after cutting jalapenos, but there's a lot of crazy shit that will abort. Driving with my face up against the air conditioning vent on the interstate at 70 mph aborted for me in the past, but it's not something that is a viable abortive.

If people can't withstand a little objective (yes, objective) criticism before they run off with their feelings hurt, well i'm sorry for them. But, i'm not sorry. Taking a shot of pepper spray with a marginal shot at success so I can then shoot snot like bull is something that I take pretty seriously. If people have done it in the past and have horror stories -- tell'em damn it. If some new person comes on saying that after 3 weeks of their cycle their hits went away when they attached their testicles to battery cables I think that the car mechanics among us sohuld feel very free to say, that's fucked up -- your cycle probably just went away.

I don't know who's mandate it is to leave no stone unturned, but if the stone has already been looked under and what lives under that rock is made apparent, why should we have to continue with the exercise of "being nice". Oh but how would we have ever heard of clusterbusters and kudzu? The market shakes out what should be shaken out - and what isn't shaken out survives.

Scott

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 14^th, 2005, 10:50am

on 06/14/05 at 10:20:34, seasonalboomer wrote:

The market shakes out what should be shaken out - and what isn't shaken out survives.

Scott

Thank you for illustrating my point, Scott. Capsaicin, in its different forms, HAS helped some clusterheads. That's all I'm saying. Prednisone has helped some clusterheads. Imitrex has helped some clusterheads. Kudzu and shrooms have helped some clusterheads. On and on. Hell, even bleu cheese and vinegar has helped some clusterheads! But NOTHING helps EVERY clusterhead. It's our job to find something that will - so we need to keep looking under those stones until we do. I just don't buy into the mob mentality of attacking newcomers who post about a product that, while it does have kind of a K-Mart marketing scheme about it, has been proven here to have a success rate, albeit marginal. Can't we just say 'thanks, we do know about capsaicin' and let the poor person go on about their business with their testicles in tact?

Birdman's found relief - for that, I say "good on ya, Bud, a few other folks have too. Thanks for letting us know!"

That's all.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 14^th, 2005, 10:59am

My intention was not to illustrate your point - so don't try that shit on me today. It was in disagreement. When the sticks get truly pulled out --- it is in a deserving situation. When a little objective criticism is given -- it is also deserving. If you're gonna get your feelings hurt when someone says, "dude, I tried that and that's fucked up" then there's an even greater chance you really don't have clusters. So, someone who truly has found something or won't back down will withstand a little shit being thrown. There's are countless people who started out on these forums with negative experiences who have stuck around to learn more (myself included). You get over it because the heads ain't going anywhere. As a sufferer, I think the sticks are a good thing and there have been a few in the last few months that took a well deserved thrashing. Good on the stick wielders.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 14^th, 2005, 11:00am

well, I for one hope Birdman sticks around. It looks like so far he has.

Scott, I'm not "trying that shit" on anybody. So, um, retract your claws, ok? I do agree with you - that there is a time and place for sticks. I just don't think this is one of those times.

Congratulations, Birdman - glad you found something that helps you!

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 14^th, 2005, 11:11am

no claws here. just stating that my point was not your point. birdman is as welcome as anybody, no more or no less. i just believe that referring to people who are critical regarding some treatments as being some wild form of vigilantes and that it is somehow pervasive on these boards is hogwash.

like the conversation on magnets going on right now on another thread. people have found a way to say that they're glad that the poster's cycle has ended -- and to carefully inject that there's a good chance that the cycle ended coincidentally -- because of what most of us have researched about the effectiveness of magnet therapies. all very civil. should they instead rave on about magnets possibly encouraging others to spend dollars on treatments that have been discussed adnauseum here already?

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Ueli on Jun 14^th, 2005, 12:51pm

Margi, I think there's one big difference.
Both shrooms and kudzu were brought up by people we already knew, who had told us their cluster stories.

But when someone within 10 minutes of registering plugs them sinusbusters, without telling us anything about him/herself, there is not much guessing left on their motivation. Some pluggers correct their worst blunders in a second post, like changing their meegraines to clusters, but that doesn't increase the trustworthiness of the "witness". Add to this the regularity of these plugs, and you know who sent them.

At best sinusbusters (and magnets and boji stones) "help" as much as I was "helped" by Aspirin in the beginning: it "aborted" my attacks in 20-30 minutes....

Ueli [smiley=smokin.gif]

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by nani on Jun 14^th, 2005, 12:57pm

True, Ueli. However, I've gone to other headache boards and signed up JUST to mention kudzu. My actions could easily be misconstrued. I have no real interest in joining other forums, except to "spread the good news" so to speak. Of course, I did make it a point NOT to use any brand names for that reason. Nobody likes a troll.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 14^th, 2005, 1:24pm

Oh I agree Ueli and Nani. We've definitely had our share of trolls here over the years and, I agree - for some reason we've gotten a lot of one-time posters using Sinusbusters as their invitation to get in the door here. I don't doubt, for the majority of them (not Birdman though), there was financial gain motivation there. To me, that's just so wrong, preying on people in pain.

Ueli, you'll remember though, that it was Paco that brought us the idea of capsaicin in the first place. All I'm saying is that this theory does have some merit to it. I've seen it abort a few attacks for Mike, eating peppers at onset. Doesn't work once the cycle is in full swing though and certainly not a cure by any means.

Now that I think about it....Paco's gone now too. Maybe he's turned his theory into a handy-dandy, yours-for- just-$9.99 nasal spray and he's set up all these shills to come in here and pester us. ;)

I think we're kind of all arguing the same point here. I hate seeing trolls here, too and I don't believe any of the "I've cured my clusters and you can too!" crap either. I'm really just sticking up for the abortive properties of capsaicin pepper for some folks.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 14^th, 2005, 1:34pm

Okay you stick up for it. I'll just try to remember CheNY's post instead.

"I filled the dropper & boom down the nose....... It was ugly, just like being maced right up my nose. I began to salivate & hack from my nose like a bull, I felt like my head was melting from the inside out."

That may be all the input I need on Capsaicin.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 14^th, 2005, 1:42pm

Seasonal, re-read his post. There are three of them to pick from, even - all saying exactly the same thing. He used the concentrate. He EXCEEDED the dose. He was a desparate clusterhead, he screwed up and overdosed himself. He most likely won't do that again. Obviously, not a fair trial for the product.

No one's asking YOU to do this, Scott. And no one's suggesting that ANYone do this in this manner.

Although....if ya keep it up, I'm gonna squirt some at ya! ;)

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 14^th, 2005, 1:51pm

I don't feel like going back in time and compiling all the similar posts of the "pepper up your nose" people. But there are similar posts and the majority of them can be combined for a big "ow, that hurts". But if you want to continue to grasp at the concept that there is this vast underground of cluster people that secretly are seeing success with capsaicin please continue with your delusion.

but i think the conversation has been super keen though......

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 14^th, 2005, 2:21pm

Scott, could you please pass me some of what you're smoking? It obviously adds to creativity.

Seriously, dude - all I've said is that edible capsaicin has helped my husband and a few other folks. We had one guy at OUCH Canada who said Sinusbuster helped him. I'm not grasping at concepts. There is no vast underground. I'm not delusional.

But if you'd like to keep beating this poor dead horse, Scotty, go nuts. I can go all day, man. ;)

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 14^th, 2005, 2:35pm

I will keep it up all day. You seem to think there's a problem with people criticizing other treatments, as though someone's poor little feelings are gonna get hurt. If it's capsaicin and it burns the fuck out of your nose, someone should say that. If the likelihood is that a cycle ended coincidentally to the wearing of magnets and the eating of rust pills, what's wrong with saying it? If lithium makes you a zombie and prednisone makes people a bear to live with, then SAY IT LOUD. Put your feelings away if you're going to venture onto the medications, treatments and therapies boards. Stick with "support and general posts" if you can't handle people saying that a treatment has been heard of before and found to be of marginal effectiveness in the treatment of clusters (or however nice you want to be when you say it). So go ahead Margi, blast me for continuing to stand by my original assertion today on this thread -- criticism shouldn't be thrown out as being insensitive. Everytime this comes up, some that may provide valued input say, "fuck it, it's not worth having everyone say I'm being an not a very nice person for providing valid criticism". We shouldn't be limited to saying "Glad you found something that's working for you" -- and if you haven't caught my sarcasm on this subject in the past, I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Bob P on Jun 14^th, 2005, 2:35pm

Quote:

Although....if ya keep it up, I'm gonna squirt some at ya!

Ran into a skunk in the front yard the other morning, had the same attitude!

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 14^th, 2005, 2:55pm

after having read my last post, I have realized the only way out of this vortex is to admit the failure of my ways, remind myself that Margi actually really is always right, and that I must actually be less stubborn than Margi for finally throwing it in today.

best regards and glad everyone is finding something that is working for them...

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by broomhilda on Jun 14^th, 2005, 3:01pm

on 06/14/05 at 14:55:40, seasonalboomer wrote:

Scott seriously, you need to share whatever you are taking with the group. It amazes me that you ALWAYS instigate and make character judgements then like a puppy put your tail between your legs and run away...

Just my opinion of course

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 14^th, 2005, 3:02pm

Scott, lighten up dude. I think BobP wants you. He just threw a ball in here. Looks like he wants to play, too.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 14^th, 2005, 3:07pm

Where did the character judgement start there today Broomie? Margie determined she would ask what I was smoking and got "into it" today because I questioned her? Because I gave criticism. I've been serious here today and continue to stand by my assertions. I am walking from the conversation because it is pointless. So your input is timely and "in character" for you as well. Thanks for your feedback, let's not get into constuctive criticism and it's delineation from a "good row" full of fun biting sarcasm. If you got game, bring it on, but don't just jump on the tail end of something that you aren't ready for.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by broomhilda on Jun 14^th, 2005, 3:14pm

Hummm wanna play? ;;D

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 14^th, 2005, 3:17pm

Hey whatever Broomie.

You want to argue about whether constructive criticism of various treatments that have been, in the past, found to be marginally effective is okay with you. Or would you rather we all be nice to each other and say that "we're glad that you found something that works for you" and leave it at that. Even though you might know something about a particular treatment that people should probably know.

That's what I'm arguing about today. If you want to argue about something else go ahead. Maybe that would be more fun for you.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 14^th, 2005, 3:17pm

wow, somebody really musta peed in your cornflakes today, huh Scotty?

If you'll read back, I was just initially agreeing with Kevin_M and BobP. I was pretty surprised when you put your dukes up and just kept gnawing at it.

I think you're a wannabe Canadian, man. You seem to keep following us around and taking shots at us whereever we go. Whatever floats yer boat, man. It's kinda fun watching you piddle all over yourself sometimes, though, I must admit. Doesn't take much to amuse us Canadians (we're all really just one person, eh?)

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 14^th, 2005, 3:24pm

on 06/14/05 at 15:17:54, Margi wrote:

Margi,

I haven't brought up any of that shit today. And you can leave it off too. As you can MAYBE sense you can tell the difference between me having some good hearted fun about our national differences and when I am quite serious about something -- because I've left out any of the usual "banter" - because i didn't want to distract.

So before you go on about how much peeing has been done by others into my cereal or by me onto myself -- take a good look at what my point has been all day today.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 14^th, 2005, 3:30pm

on 06/14/05 at 15:17:54, Margi wrote:

If you'll read back, I was just initially agreeing with Kevin_M and BobP. I was pretty surprised when you put your dukes up and just kept gnawing at it.

I think you're a wannabe Canadian, man. You seem to keep following us around and taking shots at us whereever we go.

Now to your recent points. You weren't agreeing with them. You blew smoke and then chose to reassert your point.

As for following you around and shooting at you. Yeh, whatever Margi, go back to my delusions post.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 14^th, 2005, 3:34pm

ok, fair enough. So, just to clarify, you're saying that we should just collectively and immediately beat to a pulp anyone who posts about something that doesn't work for everyone, every single time?

OK, who's first? Jonny for pushing oxygen? Flash for pushing shrooms? Chet for pushing lithium? Nani/Flo for pushing kudzu? 'Trex users for pushing trex? Doc Jerry for pushing water originally?

Birdman wasn't trying to sell anything, Scott. Hey, I'm all for flogging the snakeoil salesmen too - as I've stated repeatedly: preying on people in pain is wrong. Birdman wasn't doing that.

However, a lot of genuine clusterheads in pain have been chased away from this site because of 'tudes like this and because they have been verbally attacked. Not everyone has a hide thick enough to withstand it and some people opt to not subject themselves to abuse. By your standards, apparently, those people are not fit to live in this neighbourhood then. Hmm. Kinda goes against the very nature of this website, dontcha think?

p.s. I'm done now, Scotty. It's been real. Later.
The floor is yours.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 14^th, 2005, 3:41pm

So what are you going to do, "go all victim" on me.

You know damn well that's not what I'm saying and don't try to characterize my statements in this manner. What is the "very nature" of this website?
is this what you mean? (This site is devoted completely and exclusively to those that suffer from, and to the supporters of those who suffer from Cluster Headaches! ) That's broad enough to include a little constructive criticism.

The market shakes out what is bad and retains what is worthwhile. Being falsely sweet with everyone who wanders in is a way of altering that balance.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 14^th, 2005, 4:17pm

Whoa, Scott - settle down. I do apologize if I've truly upset you by losing track of your point. Certainly not my intention to make you angry.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by vig on Jun 14^th, 2005, 4:31pm

on 06/14/05 at 15:34:55, Margi wrote:

p.s. I'm done now, Scotty. It's been real. Later.
The floor is yours.

I thought you were done!
[smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 14^th, 2005, 4:38pm

so did I, Vig. My bad.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Posting-committie on Jun 14^th, 2005, 4:45pm

::)

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by birdman on Jun 15^th, 2005, 8:25am

I don't know what I need to do to prove that I'm not full of shit! I am to the point in my life where I will try anything to stop the torture. Sorry if I bothered you Scott. Hey, I have an idea, ignore me. All others, I swear I found some great relief using pepper spray. It is not the cure but another tool. If you want, please try it, if not carry on. Sorry for trying to make some peoples lives a little more bearable. Next time I will keep it to myself. To Scott, sorry I didn't have three days to read back and search every post ever made to see if this was previously discussed. My intentions were honorable. I thought this was a site to 'discuss' our lives with clusters. You want a complete history, my email is tboydman@hotmail.com. I live in Staten Island, Ny and will be glad to tell you my whole life story.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by BobG on Jun 15^th, 2005, 8:40am

Birdman, the pepper treatment has come up many times over the years. And will continue to in the future. There is no problem discussing it again. New people come here every day and ask the same questions that have been asked a thousand time. No big deal. The only time we get pissed is when someone wants to lie to us, claim to be a clusterhead and sell the cure.
Those people are trolls and easy to spot.

seanonalboomer, you're fighting the wrong lady. You're going to loose. She's tougher than woodpecker lips.

Hi Margi ;;D

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 15^th, 2005, 9:07am

birdman, i apologized to you in a personal message with regard to hijacking your thread already. As I've indicated I don't have any problem with people talking about what's worked for them. I hijacked your thread to take affront with those who exist on these boards to criticize those who take umbrage with anyone who is the least bit critical to people like yourself who arrive on the threads bearing great news. You're a grown man. Your feelings shouldn't get hurt if someone says, "dude, that news you just passed, it's been told before, here's what's been said -- but good on you, hopefully its true, but if its not there's a lot of info on these boards to learn from, read on." And while every post may not be that tactful, I refuse to believe anyone who can survive cluster headaches doesn't have a thick enough skin to withstand a little feedback -- negative or "constructive".

So if I may rephrase my apology. I'm sorry I hhijacked your thread. My intention was not to hurt your's or anyone else's feelings -- it was to make a point that clusterland is a real place -- bumps and all. Sorry if you got your feelings hurt.

So good luck, stick around and read all you can -- you may not have three days right now -- but you may find that you will want to know all you can. Knowledge is ammunition against the beast and the toll it takes on all of us.

Bobg -- maybe she needs to back off and really be done with this argument.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by thomas on Jun 15^th, 2005, 9:22am

on 06/15/05 at 08:25:46, birdman wrote:

I am to the point in my life where I will try anything to stop the torture.

Know the feeling all too well.
on 06/15/05 at 08:25:46, birdman wrote:

Hey, I have an idea, ignore me.

Will only do that when you start talking about aliens and brain implants.
on 06/15/05 at 08:25:46, birdman wrote:

All others, I swear I found some great relief using pepper spray. It is not the cure but another tool. If you want, please try it, if not carry on.

Glad it's working for you. (I don't think you are the only one who has gotten some measurable amount of relief from this)
on 06/15/05 at 08:25:46, birdman wrote:

Sorry for trying to make some peoples lives a little more bearable. Next time I will keep it to myself.

No, do not do that. That is breaking the Cardinal rule. We are all here to help each other in one fashion or another, proceed.
on 06/15/05 at 08:25:46, birdman wrote:

To Scott, sorry I didn't have three days to read back and search every post ever made to see if this was previously discussed. My intentions were honorable. I thought this was a site to 'discuss' our lives with clusters. You want a complete history, my email is tboydman@hotmail.com. I live in Staten Island, Ny and will be glad to tell you my whole life story.

No need for the whole life story, but wouldn't mind sitting back a sharing a beer and a laugh at some point.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 15^th, 2005, 10:50am

Hi Birdman, glad you came back to this thread. Sorry it ended up getting ugly. :(

Please keep us posted on how you're doing with the pepper spray. Are you really still at 1200mgs of verapamil? That is a pretty high dose. If you are at that high a dose, please do have your blood pressure monitored, ok? Verapamil lowers blood pressure and if you're seeing signs of dizziness etc., it could be an indicator that you need to taper off a bit.

And, contrary to popular belief here, I really am not the ogre some people make me out to be. I am not as tough as woodpecker lips (in fact, I don't even think they have lips, but BobG ...well, he lives in Vegas. I think sometimes the sky is a different colour in his world. ;) ) I honestly do celebrate when any clusterhead finds relief from ANYthing. As to me backing off - ain't gonna happen when it comes to supporting clusterheads.

Please keep sharing your stories here, Birdman - you're among friends.

Always here if you need a shoulder - my email is moxie_miss@hotmail.com.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by birdman on Jun 15^th, 2005, 2:24pm

Margi- Still on 1200 mgs of Verapamil and have a home BP machine. Still able to maintain a 110/70. I see a cardiologist twice a year due to family history and he is amazaed that I can keep my pressure from droping. It keeps me to one headache/day(9-11 am) if at all. Usually can fight of with O2 and pepper spray. Seems every time I taper off, two months later its back. WOnder if I should just maintain a certain level(not 1200). Thanks for the pat on the back. Not that I needed it, but it doesn't hurt.
Thomas- Would love to get together and shoot the sh**. Any conventions upcoming?
Also - Any New York groups that anyone knows about?
I know, I know, read through the old posts.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by thomas on Jun 15^th, 2005, 2:29pm

on 06/15/05 at 14:24:21, birdman wrote:

Any conventions upcoming?

Yes, Dallas next month, unfortunately or fortunately I will not be able to attend this year's convention.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by birdman on Jun 15^th, 2005, 2:45pm

Thanks, wish I had known earlier. Shame on me for not checking.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 15^th, 2005, 3:17pm

on 06/15/05 at 14:24:21, birdman wrote:

Good to hear you're on the ball with the verap, Birdman. Have they told you that taking magnesium supplements can really help with the ...uh...binding properties that comes along with verap? That, and bran muffins and prunes. Magnesium is best though - you do have to experiment with dosages to find out what works best for you. When my hubby was on it, he took 300mgs of Mg a day and that really helped him. Any more than that, though, and we might as well have just pitched a tent in the bathroom for him! ;)

How long have you been on the verapamil, Birdman? In other words, how long have you been chronic? Verapamil can also extend cycles. Double edged sword for sure, isn't it? Damned if you do, damned if you don't. :(

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by karma on Jun 15^th, 2005, 3:31pm

Quote:

How long have you been on the verapamil, Birdman? In other words, how long have you been chronic? Verapamil can also extend cycles.

Hmmmm. Interesting choice of words.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 15^th, 2005, 3:42pm

I actually meant to ask him how long he'd been in cycle - fingers flying before brain fully engaged. Happens all the time. ::)
um, whatcha gettin' at Karma?

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Kevin_M on Jun 15^th, 2005, 7:23pm

My post was aimed as a response to this:

on 06/12/05 at 16:58:34, lildick wrote:

SinusBusters worked great for me...everyone should try it, its worth the money for no pain.

It seemed suspiciously out of line, so I replied in kind.

Kevin M

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by BobG on Jun 16^th, 2005, 5:06am

Yep, what Margi said about the binder called verapamil.

And NO grapefruit while on it.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by BobG on Jun 16^th, 2005, 5:15am

Quote:

Any New York groups that anyone knows about?

Isn't there a New York or New England or New someting OUCH Chapter? Where's Ozzy when you need him.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by birdman on Jun 16^th, 2005, 9:26am

Margi- Started about Mid April, seem to be on the way out though(hoping). I start with 720mg and work my way up by a half a pill as needed. No more then 1200mg. Been at that level about two weeks now. Thanks for the magnesium tip, I could use it.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by nani on Jun 16^th, 2005, 9:30am

Ozzy does OUCH PANJ. I don't think they have a website, though.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 16^th, 2005, 9:48am

Morning, Birdman. :)

Ok, so if you've been on verapamil since April, you've been in cycle about two months then? I hope it ends soon for you, too. The way our doctor told my hubby to taper off is drop one pill and stay at that level for three days. If no increased cluster activity, then do it again and stick to the three day steps.

I've just read back through this thread and you say you've had clusters for 19 years. Have you been chronic that whole time or does it hit you in cycles and then you have remissions between the cycles? The "official" definition of chronic is 12 months of cluster without 30 consecutive days of unmedicated pain freedom. Does that describe you?

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by birdman on Jun 16^th, 2005, 10:15am

Margi- I go through remissions. For the first fifteen years or so I would have a 1yr remission. It hit me every fall. For the last three-four years it has been Spring AND Fall. I usually taper of the verap that way but I extend it to five days. Sometimes wonder if I should keep a lower level in me so I can get ahead of it next time. I guess positive thinking tells me to hope for a big remisision. What about you? If I recall correctly is it your husband who gets them?

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 16^th, 2005, 11:37am

Yes, Mike is the clusterhead in our family. I'm a migrainer. Head Pain R Us. ;)

You are what is termed, then, as episodic (as opposed to being chronic). I know a few folks do stay on low dose verapamil when in remission to keep cycles at bay but, personally (and this is only MY opinion), I think it's best to go on a med holiday if you can. Let your system rebalance itself. Cluster cycles are going to come again regardless. Also, if you do that while in remission, you're much better able to try the alternative treatments out there (shrooms, kudzu, etc.) and maybe avoid the med route altogether. (It's best to be totally detoxed before trying anything new.)

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by birdman on Jun 17^th, 2005, 10:42am

I think you are right about eventually getting off the med's. Is there really soemthing to shrooms and kudzu? Is it just hype? Like I said, willing to try anything once.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by thomas on Jun 17^th, 2005, 10:56am

on 06/17/05 at 10:42:11, birdman wrote:

I think you are right about eventually getting off the med's. Is there really soemthing to shrooms and kudzu? Is it just hype? Like I said, willing to try anything once.

It isn't just hype. But they are just like any other treatment, they work great for some, mixed results for others and no noticeable benefit for some either.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 17^th, 2005, 10:57am

nope, shrooms and 'zu certainly aren't hype, Birdman. More folks have been trying the shrooms for longer than the kudzu, but both are helping a lot of folks here.

Medical doctors have to think inside a clearly defined box when it comes to prescribing meds for clusters. Quite often, those meds prolong or exacerbate the problem. Sufferers don't have to stay inside that box and we're blessed to have some very forward thinking folks here who have gone down uncharted roads in search of relief. Cluster sufferers/supporters as a whole have way more combined knowledge of the afflicition that most doctors do - it's our main focus here.

The shrooms folks have compiled amazing data and research over at www.clusterbusters.com and there are quite a few threads here about the success and methodology to the kudzu. If you click on any of Floridian's post, he's got a tagline in his profile to his website and he's done some great work getting info together on kudzu.

Keep digging, Birdman - you'll find your balance. Dare I say it again? Leave no stone unturned! ;)

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 17^th, 2005, 10:59am

i'm one of the folks who was among the kudzu "beta test"-fest. take a look at the kudzu surveys and 5-HT with kdzu threads. there's good info, and, as you will see, a variety of people with different experiences.

i'm of the opinion that I had success. could a been coincidental to a cycle ending but, the rapidness of the cycle change points to something happening with the inclusion of the kudzu regime. this immediate rocking of the cycle (not always full relief) seems pretty consistent withthose that experienced an effect.

if you're going to consider read the threads. there's a couple of issues for certain medical conditions that haven't been totally clarified yet. thus, the way it is with herbals/alternatives.

as for shrooms -- haven't gone there myself -- but based on the who's said what on shrooms and the clusterbuster data -- i'm there if kudzu doesn't work next time.

good luck and pf days ahead.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by birdman on Jun 17^th, 2005, 12:22pm

Thank God for this site. I can't believe I didn;t spend more time here in the past. Just talking to people with understanding is like therapy. You almost feel better just sharing with people. No kudzu with verapamil though right? What about shrooms?

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 17^th, 2005, 12:32pm

Bird (may I call you Bird?)

Read this, written by Pinksharkmark, one of the shroom pioneers:

http://www.clusterbusters.com/Importantnotes1.html

then this:

http://www.clusterbusters.com/Importantnotes2.html

To give anything a fair trial, it's always best to try it in a control situation (in other words, best to detox off everything before starting something new).

As you know, verap lowers blood pressure. It is believed that kudzu does too. So, yeah, not a great idea to combine them - we don't want you fading completely away!

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by birdman on Jun 17^th, 2005, 1:01pm

Margi- DO you have wings? You are like a gift from the Gods. Hope your hubby knows how lucky he is. Anyway, shrooms sounds very interesting. Must admit I almost tried them back in the college days for other reasons. Could never find them. I was reading up on the 'blockers' and realize I need to get off my med's first. They mentioned some mood altering drugs as blockers but not Paxil specifically. I take Paxil daily for panic attacks(started thanks to a colicy kid, my first). I will have to research if it would be a problem.
P.S. Bird is fine.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Bob P on Jun 17^th, 2005, 2:13pm

Quote:

Margi- DO you have wings? You are like a gift from the Gods.

Dang! Don't go telling her that crud! Her head's as big as a watermelon as it is. Now she's gonna be lording it over us, again. Good thing it's Friday. Maybe she'll forget about your post over the weekend.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by LeLimey on Jun 17^th, 2005, 2:35pm

on 06/17/05 at 13:01:07, birdman wrote:

Margi- DO you have wings? You are like a gift from the Gods.

Yup - you got that right!Margi is one of the best supporters for all of us not just her hubby

THANK YOU MARGI!!!

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 17^th, 2005, 2:48pm

Bird, Paxil could be causing part of your problem. Some clusterheads I know just can't tolerate the anti-depressants, while others can. The ones that can't always same that the hits are stronger and longer when they're on the anti-d's. Certainly NOT a drug you can stop cold turkey, either!! MUST be tapered. If you're thinking of trying the shrooms, it's way safer to grow your own as opposed to trusting what you get on the street. But don't tell anyone I told you that, ok? It's a moral choice only you can make, still illegal in most places.

And, uh, nope no wings here. Actually my mother used to tell me that my wings were dirty and my halo was slipping. LOL

Bob, shut UP - these people don't know me that well. We don't want to tarnish their image of me, now do we? You be quiet, or I'll tell them about your man boobs.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 17^th, 2005, 3:03pm

don't old bats have wings too ;;D

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by LeLimey on Jun 17^th, 2005, 3:10pm

Not sure Scott.. look in the mirror and let us know eh?! ;) :P

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 17^th, 2005, 3:11pm

I dunno Scott, you should be able to answer that question by looking in a mirror, maybe.

sorry, Helen, GMTA - you beat me to it! ;)

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 17^th, 2005, 4:45pm

i can't believe that's all you got for a comeback on that one. if that's all you're going to come back with you should have just waited for the subject to change back to "favorite condiments, often used for south of the border dishes, that we like to use for cluster headache"

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 17^th, 2005, 4:53pm

my apologies, Scott - didn't feel like using any more energy than I needed to. It's been a long week.

I'm just happy Birdman's found something that helps him. I think most people are, actually. But if you still feel you need to critique him, well then, I guess that's totally up to you. There's an Anbesol thread also, if you are still in need of discounting things.

Hope you have a good weekend, Bird - keep on snortin' man! Keep us posted on your progress! :)

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 17^th, 2005, 5:04pm

lighten up margi, it's friday.
as you can tell, there was an air of frivolity in my last post and i've since actually offered some constructive input on this thread --- as well as posting some positive feedback on the anbesol -- who would've thought, anbesol.

so, have a weekend. hav a' drink or two and get your attitude adjusted.
have fun in the belfry

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by Margi on Jun 17^th, 2005, 5:08pm

on 06/17/05 at 17:04:21, seasonalboomer wrote:

get your attitude adjusted.

seriously. dude. do the mirror thing.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 17^th, 2005, 5:14pm

gniht rorrim eht od. edud. ylsuoires

how's that.

(c'mon, that thar's funny, i don't care who you are.)

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by SteCo on Jun 17^th, 2005, 6:09pm

on 06/17/05 at 14:48:54, Margi wrote:

Hi Bird,
Gets a little volatile at times in here for sure. I am going to jump in between the bullets here for just a second. Just following up on Margi's input on the paxil and emphasize the importance of her statement. IF you decide to get off of it for whatever reason, be careful getting off of it. My wife's doc mistakenly told her to just stop and get on another med..BAD MISTAKE OMG. You must taper extremely slowly. We ended up searching the net on how to properly taper from it. It has been awhile since she did it...basically it was like this, but do your own research/ask your doc, and do not take my word for it!!
It was "okay"? to drop at larger increments (like 5?) for higher daily doses,..but once you get to about 10? daily dose, the taper drops alot. At the lower daily #'s the taper #'s drop too.....we found out they make a liquid form that helps alot for the small tapers. So..once she hit about 10? she tapered at about 1-2?mg for about 4-5?days and kept going.. Then at about 5? daily intake dropped down the taper to 1?mg drop for 4-5? days ..Granted it took FOREVER to get her off of it...but provided for a MUCH smoother landing for everyone!! She was able to judge how her taper progress was going...sometimes she lengthened the taper duration until she felt it was safe to drop another taper.

Again, check with your doc on proper taper, and ask about the liguid form....could save alot of frustration.
HTH
SteCo

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by birdman on Jun 18^th, 2005, 1:29pm

Thanks for the input. Didn;t know it was available in a liquid form. Good to know.

Title: Re: Anybody tried Capsaicin pepper spray?
Post by hdido on Jun 18^th, 2005, 9:55pm

Sex is a good abortive; sex with capascin is even better, just be careful where you put it.