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Title: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by jokrs2 on May 10th, 2005, 6:16pm I month is in the books. Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds are doing the job "for me". After being hit at least 6 times a day for the last 14 years the change is an absolute miracle IMHO ;;D. My only regret is not knowing about these seeds and having known about the web site earlier. Blessings and PFD&N's to all, Joe |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by E-Double on May 10th, 2005, 6:53pm Fantastic!!!!! Enjoy every moment!!! |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Langa on May 10th, 2005, 7:38pm A whole month of PF time after 14 years!!! That is awesome news!!! ;;D Blessings, Langa |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Flounder on May 10th, 2005, 11:55pm WOW! Very Cool!!!! ;;D ;;D May it continue. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by nani on May 11th, 2005, 12:35am Great news, Joe!!! I'm so happy for you! http://bestsmileys.com/clapping/2.gif |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Pinkfloyd on May 11th, 2005, 12:58am on 05/10/05 at 18:16:17, jokrs2 wrote:
Yeah, Yeah, yeah.....great. How the hell am I supposed to keep collecting data on you people if you continue with this pain free stuff for weeks/months on end???? [smiley=laugh.gif] Time to get back and finish whatever the hell it was you were doing when you were so rudely interrupted 14 years ago. Hope it was sumpin goooood. ;;D Major Events of 1991 (in case ya missed 'em) US, Britain, France and allied countries drive Iraqis from Kuwait (Operation Desert Storm). Warsaw Pact ends. Attempted coup in Soviet Union. Break-up of USSR, Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) formed. Croatia and Slovenia independent from Yugoslavia after a brief war. Bank of Credit and Commerce (BCCI) collapses. Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi assassinated. Record of the Year “Unforgettable,” Natalie Cole with Nat King Cole Grammy for, Vocal Performance, Female (believe it or not) “How Can I Ease the Pain,” Lisa Fischer Bobw |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by LeeS on May 11th, 2005, 3:46am Way to go Joe! (did I really just type that? ::)) Seriously pleased for you and long may it continue. -Lee BTW BobW, nice comprehensive list of major events. You must have one hellava headache diary ;) ;;D |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by kissmyglass on May 11th, 2005, 7:43am Next Convention...HAWAII |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by vig on May 11th, 2005, 9:18am Fantastic news, Joe! ;;D |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by miapet on May 11th, 2005, 9:24am *YAY* and *happy dance* we're so happy for you Joe!!! hehe, great post BobW *L* *positive light and energy* D & miapet |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by LadyLuv on May 11th, 2005, 12:13pm [smiley=shore.gif] [smiley=shore.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Way to go Joe... may you continue to be PF W :) W |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by jokrs2 on May 11th, 2005, 1:37pm Thank you for all the great words of support. Hey Bob, I can hardly remember any of that as at that time I was the walking dead on methadone, just trying to keep my family together at the time. Made sure I ordered another batch of seed and am weening myself off the kudzu which I take between doses. Kudzu appears to build up in the system so going off for 5 days before dosing I manage to stay PF now ;;D. Am happy that the trip level is not that wild, (compared to LSD or shrooms). Blessings to all and PFD's, Joe |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Pinkfloyd on May 11th, 2005, 4:05pm on 05/11/05 at 13:37:26, jokrs2 wrote:
Been there, done that Joe. I can relate. I'm pretty sure I missed one war, a wall that came down somewhere and and the entire acting careers of two out of six Baldwin brothers. Bobw |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Chillrmn1 on May 11th, 2005, 5:56pm Hi Joe, Really glad this worked for you and thanks for sharing your results. Will be trying it this weekend myself. Many More Pain Free Days To You! Bob |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by mynm156 on May 11th, 2005, 6:24pm AWESOME!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by godsjoy777 on May 11th, 2005, 9:58pm Woweeeeee!!!! Happy happy......Joy joy!!!! I am also so happy for you too Joe.....Now......Tell me more about those seeds......Are they legal?......Glad it isn't something you have to grow....etc...... I'm pain free for a few days then cluster city for several more....good for the last few.....Praise God.... Please fill me in on the seeds bsnss.... blessings, Karen |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by PaulL on May 11th, 2005, 10:12pm on 05/11/05 at 21:58:49, godsjoy777 wrote:
Source: http://www.iamshaman.com/eshop/10Browse.asp?Category=Seeds:Hawaiian%20Baby%20Woodrose Get the 95% viable ones. This gets you 50 seeds, about 10 to 25 doses depending on your tolerance. The cost is nominal compared to a single dose of Imitrex. Read back posts on this site and Erowid for more details on dosing. Careful, 2 or 3 seeds are enough for an initial dose. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Sean_C on May 11th, 2005, 10:15pm Keep the faith [smiley=thumb.gif] Sean..................... |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by sandie99 on May 12th, 2005, 3:37am I'm so happy for you, Joe! :) That's wonderful! I hope lots of more PF days for you, Sandie |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Low_Viz on May 14th, 2005, 9:13pm One of our best sellers but strictly not for human consumption. Shouldn't I be worried about this disclaimer Paul?Are these the ones that you tried ? I read about scraping and burning the seeds, is that all I need to do? |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by miapet on May 15th, 2005, 9:03pm crack them open, scrape out the inside, steep it .. .drink the 'tea' . . .is how i believe it is consumed . . .and yes, they do say not for human consumption . . *positive light and energy* miapet |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Chillrmn1 on May 16th, 2005, 5:17am This human consumed 4 seeds three days ago and has been completely painfree since. There is no other medication I can lay this claim for. It is truly remarkable and a miracle. I would have never believed this would work so well. Even if the beast does come back on me, I now know what to take to completely stop him in his tracks! I must extend my warmest, heartfelt thanks to folks like Jokrs2, Langa, and Bobw for bringing this to the forefront, sharing their success, and for the help and assistance offered. Sincerely, Bob |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Pinkfloyd on May 16th, 2005, 11:38pm Glad to hear of your success Bob. Please continue to keep good records as things progress. ;;D Bobw |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by BikerBob on May 17th, 2005, 2:00am Fabulous news, Joe. I'm very happy for you. May your PFDAN continue for a long long time. My sincere thanks to Joe, Bob, Bobw, Langa, Paul, Jesse and SteCo for your reports on this. I really appreciate it. I got my seeds on order. 50 seeds for only $14.99 and that's 10-25 doses, and you only need about 2 doses? Wow. As a tribute to this magical plant, I'll even plant a few of the seeds and grow some real Hawaiian Baby Woodrose... http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5db37b3127cce91f3c693256a00000016108AcuGThs3bt_ Bob |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by jokrs2 on May 19th, 2005, 9:59pm 2 more weeks added to my original post for a total of 6 weeks pain free. Congrats on your results with the 4 seed dose Bob. I hope that your PFD's continue forever. I dose about every 2 weeks and the results are fantastic. Even at the "slight trip dose level" the sensations are not bad at all and I have yet to feel like I'm going to be sick to the stomach. IMHO this is the safest and "most enjoyable" treatment for clusters that I know of, and when I told my doctor what I was doing he said that the results were undeniable and that he could tell by my general physical condition that I was doing "much better". A big thanks again to Pink Floyd and the wonderful people at iamshaman.com for the help and highest quality seeds. Blessings, Joe |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Chillrmn1 on May 20th, 2005, 5:02am Hi Joe, That's great news and so glad you're pain free - keep it going!! I'm still pain free also since LSA dosing. Again, thanks for your report.........without reports like yours, Langa's, and others, I would have never known about this treatment and would still be in pain. Keep it going man, good for you! Bob |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Langa on May 20th, 2005, 6:01am Hi Joe! Congrats on your 6 weeks!!! Last night I made 5 weeks completely PF! ;;D Langa |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Candycane on May 20th, 2005, 5:44pm Question? I am going to go for it this weekend, but I am not off the verapamil/lithium totally. I am still going to do it but need to know if the only real way to tell is to be off other meds first? |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by miapet on May 20th, 2005, 7:00pm *yay* and *happy dance* jokrs and langa!!!! may the counting of p/f weeks keep going and going and going!!! candaycane . . .I don't know what the interactions might be if you mix the LSA with Verapapmil and Lithium . . .on the best note, it would n't have any interactions except to work at knocking out the beast (although you wouldn't know (for sure) what knocked the beast out). . .second best note would be there not be any interactions . . ..and things would go on as usual . . .and worst note would be BAD interactions . . . If the verapamil and lithium are only for CH . . .I would encourage you to taper off them (key word there is taper) and try to be med free. Does o2 work as an abortive for you? If it does, it will help you if you are getting whacked on the taper and during detox. *positive light and energy* miapet |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Flash on May 21st, 2005, 6:33am on 05/20/05 at 17:44:35, Candycane wrote:
STOP TIGHT THERE! NEVER EVER EVER take lithium in conjunction with LSA. EVER! You are being irresponsible and endangering your health by mixing medications. Either detox from the lithium properly or avoid this treatment! You should also read ALL the information here: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_H.B._Woodrose_Difficult_Experiences.shtml And should you successfully detox of the lithium you need to leave a 5 day gap before taking any hallucinogenic drug. In the case of LSA you should start with a maximum of 1 seed. Personally I would start with 1/4 or 1/2 of 1 seed. Also be aware that using verapamill will likely decrease your chances of success. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Candycane on May 21st, 2005, 12:24pm FLASH, TOO LATE, had no idea?Was under the impression as long as I was getting off the other drugs I would be fine. Well, its been an hour and I am just buzzed not really high, but this sure gave me a jolt!!! Thanks for the advice [smiley=hug.gif] and I will take it! Hopefully I will be okay, I only did 3 seeds. Again I had no idea or I would never had done it and it wasn't until friends e-mailed me did I see your post!! |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by pinksharkmark on May 21st, 2005, 4:48pm Lithium acts like an MAOI in that it tends to intensify the effects of many hallucinogenic compounds. The objection is not that the combination will endanger your physical health but that you will likely end up quite a bit "higher" than if you had been lithium-free at time of dosing. In the case of the more potent hallucinogens such as LSD, this means an increased risk of a very intense (and possibly unpleasant) psychological/emotional experience. pinky |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Candycane on May 21st, 2005, 5:42pm Well, its been like 7 to 8 hours later and I did fine. Just had a small buzz. Kinda mellow feeling and if you know me I am not so mellow, lol! But I had no hits while on the seeds but started to get hard shadows later and have heard I can maybe expect some hits later tonight. Hope this works for me and I will get off the other drugs ASAP. Thanks people for your info and a BIG thanks to getting those seeds to begin with!! |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Candycane on May 21st, 2005, 7:44pm Still no hits and feeling pretty good! Do I dare skip my sleep drugs tonight, I am feeling pretty lucky lately ;;D |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Langa on May 21st, 2005, 8:24pm on 05/21/05 at 19:44:36, Candycane wrote:
Girl, I'm counting the hours with you, until we can count days and weeks and months that is! ;) I'm glad so far you're seeing good results. Keep us updated...woo-hoo!!!! Langa |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Candycane on May 21st, 2005, 9:31pm Okay, as promised last update for the night...just left my daughter's room watching a teenage concert with her and dancing with her, on her bed!!! So that tells you how I am feeling still!!! Yahoo!! Now for sleeping, fingers crossed, see ya in the morning ;;D |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by wetdogtwo on May 21st, 2005, 11:10pm Congrats to all you pain-free people. I'm envious! Quick question: does anyone know of any interactions between LSA and other CH medications (or any medications, for that matter). I've read about the surgical bleeding warnings and I've read you're not supposed to take it with Verapamil or lithium. I'm specifically interested in interactions with kudzu, which I just started. I ordered some HBWR seeds but I'm hesitant about taking them. Thanks in advance! Marty |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Pinkfloyd on May 22nd, 2005, 1:26am on 05/21/05 at 23:10:26, wetdogtwo wrote:
Marty, At this point we have little data to go on compared to what we have collected on psilocybin. It is structurally similar to both psilocybin and LSD. For you and anyone else considering this (LSA), I would suggest you follow all the same precautions as layed out at www.clusterbusters.com for psilocybin (mushrooms) and LSD. Be sure to first read the warning link: http://www.clusterbusters.com/warning.htm as it contains very important information anytime you are considering the use of any of the psychedelics. Bobw |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Candycane on May 22nd, 2005, 9:53am Okay, a first for me.....no sleep help (drugs), hard shadows all night but no hits and did sleep on and off. I read the site Bob but I have some questions for you, K? I really want this to work so I might bug the hell out of you people so I am saying sorry in advance! If I NEED to at least take sleep meds is it okay? I know I can't use my trex, but Ambien or anything like that okay? Next question....I dosed (seeds)yesterday in the morning can I dose before bed tonight again? How long do I have to wait, I am a chronic? Thanks guys, you're all the best! :) |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Flash on May 22nd, 2005, 11:23am You really need to visit: www.clusterbusters.com And read EVERYTHING! Dosing tonight is pointless. For starters it takes between 48 hours and 7 days for things to fully settle down after a dose. Dosing more frequently than 5 days apart is a waste of seeds, and may even stir things up. It is unheard of for anyone to get additional benefit from dosing so frequently. The optimum and therefore recommended dosing period is once every 7 days... but only if you are still experiencing attacks. So far the HBW has proved very effective for people. If you are still experiencing attacks then my guess is that it's down to the fact that you haven't detoxed properly. We have no idea whether the sleep medications will interact. In the meantime here's what I suggest to increase your chances of success: 1) Continue to detox by slowly tapering off the lithium and verapamill. Best check with your GP first though! 2) Try and maintain a regular sleep/wake pattern. Limit sleep to 7 hours per night. 3) Eat small and regular meals. Never go hungry but never stuff your self either. I'd recommend eating 5 light meals a day. 4) Never go thirsty and drink plenty of water... but do not go overboard. 5) Get hold of some green tea and drink a cup whenever you feel an attack getting underway. 6) Ignore BobP who is likely to join this thread at any moment - he is a troll. 7) Start keeping a spreadsheet of your attacks. Total the kip scores for each day to get a total pain score. This will tell you whether things are getting better or worse. 8) Visit www.erowid.org and start reading up on LSA and HBW... the potent hallucinogenic that you already ingested. Better late than never. 9) Do not attempt to increase the size of the dose next time. There is no advantage to taking a bigger dose and it sounds like the first one was more than ample. You may even consider reducing the dose. Remember the seeds can vary in potency and people have got in serious shit on just 3 of them! 10) DO NOT IGNORE ANY OF THIS ADVICE! We really do know what we're talking about. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by nani on May 22nd, 2005, 11:35am on 05/21/05 at 23:10:26, wetdogtwo wrote:
Hi Marty, we still don't know a lot about how kudzu interacts with other treatments. The info we have is either speculation or based on tester experience. We DO know that kudzu interferes with psilocybin effectiveness. Since LSA and psilocybin are similar, I would guess kudzu has the same effect on seeds. Why not give kudzu alone (or with only oxygen as an abortive) and see if it works for you. If you don't have good results, stop the kudzu altogether and give LSA a try. JMHO. Pain free wishes, nani |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Candycane on May 22nd, 2005, 11:42am Wow Flash, that was alot of info...thanks :) Limit sleep to 7 hours is not going to be a problem!!!!I will read and read and read but probably will still have questions, again thanks :) |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Pinkfloyd on May 22nd, 2005, 12:24pm Marty, I agree completely with nani. I'm not completely up to date on your meds situation but if you are on the kudzu and still on other meds, and the kudzu ends up not completely doing the trick for you (although I hope it does), I would try to use the time on the kudzu to allow you an easier time to detox off the other meds in preparation for the LSA/psilocybin. Then a final detox off the kudzu. Candycane, I agree completely with Flash. As to the sleep aides, the hope is you won't need them during this treatment phase. One thing that the psychedelic treatment is attempting to do is make adjustments, directly or indirectly, to your body clock. Past reported experiences suggest to us to let them do their job. Hopefully you'll find nights easier with LSA on the job than with cluster attacks and ambien "on the job". best of luck to you and everyone, Bobw |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by wetdogtwo on May 22nd, 2005, 3:22pm Pink and Nani, Thanks for the heads up. Right now, all I'm taking is the kudzu but I do have Imitrex standing by. After two days, I feel pretty darn good - nary a shadow in sight and had my first PF night in a week. Weird. Maybe it's the power of suggestion, but I thought it would take longer. No complaints from me. Maybe I'll just plant those seeds now. Marty |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Flash on May 22nd, 2005, 6:55pm on 05/22/05 at 15:22:21, wetdogtwo wrote:
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Pinkfloyd on May 22nd, 2005, 7:54pm on 05/22/05 at 15:22:21, wetdogtwo wrote:
Yeah weird ain't it? Between Kudzu, Hawaiian Baby Wood Rose seeds, and mushrooms, there sure are a lot of pain free co-incedences going on around the medications board. We may need to ask DJ to rename it to the NoMore Medications board. peace to all Bobw |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Candycane on May 22nd, 2005, 7:57pm I am doing really good, small shadows here and there. Now to get thru another night will be the real test for me. Just an update |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Chillrmn1 on May 22nd, 2005, 9:16pm We all want to see you pass that test and declare success! Keep on keepin us posted. Bob |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Marc on May 22nd, 2005, 10:15pm Jumping on the bandwagon. Seeds on order, should have them them mid-week. I'll taper off the meds once they are actually in hand. We shall see..... I do have a bit of advice though: Don't ignore BobP - he's not a troll. He just likes to ask a lot of hard questions and demands answers. To quote another old timer, "Take what you need and leave the rest" Marc |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Flash on May 23rd, 2005, 9:44am on 05/22/05 at 22:15:36, Marc wrote:
Well he should learn to read the responses more carefully ;) |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Candycane on May 23rd, 2005, 12:02pm I feel silly checking in everyday, so from now on I will once a week. But since I am still new......no meds no hits either!!! Yahoo!!! Now, any ideas on getting rid of the hard shadows, what can I say I am greedy ;;D I know to its only been a 2 days 8) But I am feeling pretty cool right now, talk to me in a week? |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Langa on May 23rd, 2005, 12:36pm on 05/23/05 at 12:02:55, Candycane wrote:
Girl!!! Woo-Hoo!!! Wait, lemme do a little dance for ya! http://bestsmileys.com/dancing/7.gif http://bestsmileys.com/dancing/10.gif I'm so happy for you. Shadows...02 used to abort shadows for me too...notice how I said USED TO! ;;D Continue to keep us posted girl... Love ya! |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Flash on May 23rd, 2005, 1:34pm Get hold of some Gunpowder tea. This is Chinese green tea. Brew it strong, and do not add sugar or milk. This will help abort hits. Here's a copy of my latest hit prevention plan that I just submitted at ClusterBusters: Here's my strategy for avoiding getting hit during an episode. I use this at the onset, while dosing, and for a little while after dosing. It can also be used as an alternative to dosing when encountering supply problems. Sleep -------- Sleep must be regular as clockwork. Hard I know. Too much, or too little are both too bad. Limit sleep to a maximum of 7 hours per night. Go to sleep at the same time every night. If you lose sleep due to hits then tough shit, you must still get up on time and stay awake until bedtime the next day. During episodes I will go to bed at 11 pm and get up at 6am. Food ------- Keep it bland and keep the diet balanced. I typically eat an adventurous diet but curb this during episodes. Avoid sugar and salt. Avoid spicy food and garlic. Avoid chocolate. Avoid alcohol (of course) whether it appears to affect you or not! I typically eat very bland tasteless stuff. Meals -------- It is crucial to eat at regular times. It is bad to overeat and even worse to skip meals. I recommend 5 light and bland but well balanced meals each day. The first meal must be eaten immediately on waking up, and the last meal immediately before going to bed. Space them out regularly. NEVER go hungry. A slice of toast with a table spoon of baked beans constitutes a meal. Thirst -------- Never go thirsty. Try and limit drinking to water, green tea, and soup. Avoid anything acidic. Avoid grapefruit juice for obvious reasons. Drink more water than usual but don't over do it. About 250ml per hour whilst awake. Drink with every meal. Avoid caffeine. The aim is to slightly reduce the salt in your body, but reducing it too far is dangerous and will only cause more attacks. CH prevention is about striking a balance. Getting Hit -------------- If you are in bed then WAKE UP and get up IMMEDIATELY. Time is of the essence.] Visit the bathroom and pee/shit if this is required. Quickly brew some hot green tea. Gunpowder tea is the best. Force yourself to drink it. At the same time make some toast and butter and force yourself to eat it. Get something in that stomach... unless the attack has just occurred after a meal or on a full stomach! The either: Go for a walk/pace outside. Have a shower. If the headache does not submit within 20 mins then you must submit to it. Tough luck! Special Note on Green Tea ------------------------------------- Go out and source some gunpowder tea. Best place is a shop that specialises in tea and coffee. Dried tea leaves are by far the best. You can make it using a strainer, and infuser, a teapot, or a caffieter. Make it strong. Do not put any milk or sugar in it. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Tiannia on May 23rd, 2005, 1:55pm on 05/23/05 at 13:34:22, Flash wrote:
Flash how does this work if chronic. Sleep is my hardest thing and has been since these started when my son was less then a year old. Now we are potty training so I am up again with him during the night. Hits have made me an insomniac and once i am away I am awake until I am so physically tired I HAVE NO CHOICE but to fall asleep. But I do know that I will get hit constantly if I dont get at least 4-5 hours sleep, although not consecutive sleep. No idea what to do with too much. Have not had that as a problem since I was first married. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Candycane on May 24th, 2005, 9:04am UnFricken Believable!!!!! Got 6 hours of sleep with NO DRUGS!! What can I say I am Happy, but we will see? [smiley=sayyes.gif] [smiley=sayyes.gif] |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by nani on May 24th, 2005, 9:19am on 05/24/05 at 09:04:18, Candycane wrote:
And I'm happy for you!!! http://bestsmileys.com/clapping/2.gif Great news, girlfriend! Great news! |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Langa on May 24th, 2005, 11:31am on 05/24/05 at 09:04:18, Candycane wrote:
Girl, don't make me dance...too tired today...LOL Good for you...awesome news! ;;D Langa |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Chillrmn1 on May 25th, 2005, 5:47am Hi Candycane, Happy you're doing so well!! Isn't it amazing what just a few of the right seeds can do for you? I was astonished how I responded to them......now at 12 days completely pain free since consumption. In two days, if still pain free, I'm officially declaring cycle broke. Please keep us updated, I'm sure lots of folks are watching your progress............this is how we find out and learn, at least that's how I did. Wishin ya the PF best! Bob |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by LeeS on May 25th, 2005, 1:04pm Well done Joe and Candycane - I hope it continues for you both. Keep posting. -Lee |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by ArCane on May 25th, 2005, 3:30pm I happy to hear so many are becoming PF with this treatment. Im overjoyed for every single one of you. I myself want to try this treatment but I don't know how I should consume the seeds or how many. Do you eat them, make a tea, or what? I want to be pain free too. I saw some website that said using ether and alcohol or something like that. Alcohol would cause a CH not cure it I would think. Thanks for any help. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by vig on May 25th, 2005, 4:12pm If you can break open the seeds (soaking works too) you can just eat the meat. or mash it or mix it in tea... Just don't eat the shells... bad stuff in there. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by ArCane on May 25th, 2005, 5:13pm I have one more question. It seems like people become PF after very little consumed. Is there any way to store these seeds? If I put them in the refrigerator well they keep till a get in another cycle? Sometimes it is a year inbetween cycles. Would they keep that long or would you get some fresh ones? |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by vig on May 25th, 2005, 5:14pm plant a few and become self-sufficient. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by SteCo on May 25th, 2005, 5:40pm Quote:
Hi Arcane, I believe most have extracted the "good stuff" from seeds (the inside meat) by soaking in water for a couple of hours. Yea...soaking in alcohol may not be a good idea when in cycle. I'm sure the more knowing will give more details soon. HTH SteCo |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by dirky on May 26th, 2005, 12:03pm on 05/25/05 at 17:14:56, vig wrote:
The HBWR seeds are not the easiest to get to germinate, they need scaryfying (scratching the seedcoat) soaking and bottom heat to get them started. morning glories are easier, but contain less LSA |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Candycane on May 26th, 2005, 12:32pm Don't know if this means anything or will help anyone but I started with the baby ones and I needed to do some more, just started feeling like I was getting hit again. Anyway this time I had the HB ones (the larger ones and they seemed more potent? It REALLY helped me and I have felt great since! Just thought I would post but don't judge me on that, K? Candy |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by LeeS on May 26th, 2005, 12:46pm on 05/26/05 at 12:03:59, dirky wrote:
LMAO Dirk ;;D but thanks for the tip. Glad to hear you're still doing well Candy. -Lee |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Pinkfloyd on May 26th, 2005, 4:16pm on 05/26/05 at 12:46:09, LeeS wrote:
Yes it sounds like I finally have the excuse to purchase that hot tub. ;;D Bobw |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by BikerBob on May 26th, 2005, 5:34pm ArCane, Erowid says store the seeds in a cool dry place. Their potency may begin to decrease after 6-9 months. When you buy the seeds, I don't know how you can tell how old they already are. Unfortunately, if you grow them they don't produce seeds and flowers until the second year. See: http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/cultivation/cultivation_growing-the-hallucinogens.shtml#HAWAIIANBABYWOODROSE Dirky, the above link says do not use bottom heat. Bob |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by jokrs2 on May 27th, 2005, 7:52pm Congrats to everyone who is doing so well with the HBWR...IMHO the window of healing has been "KICKED IN"!!! ;;D No more restless leg syndrome, no more hits, no more shadows. YEAH!!!! ;;D I am starting to lose track of how many PFD's in a row now but it is still continuing. Just drank another dose of HBWR a few minutes ago (12 seeds) and I know it's going to be a GREAT weekend. I do a few more of the seeds than most people . 8)..but I rule in Texas Hold'em when I'm at the trip level doses...won $11,000 in about 12 hours last time [smiley=laugh.gif] it was like I knew what everybody else had in their hands...but that's another story (too bad it's just play $) + I have been on > 400 trips with different hallucinogens so I am comfortable with it. I agree with FLASH, do as few as possible to get the desired result, and then wait at least a week or more between dosing. I would have waited longer but I had to have a tooth extracted..so I am just trying to stay out of trigger + LSA is an "excellent anesthetic". PFD&N's to everyone. Blessings, Joe P.S. My last batch of seeds had a very tight nougat that didn't want to come out of the husk so I just ground up everything soaked in warm water, poured mixture through a coffee filter...drank a bit of Mylanta on an empty stomach to ease the peptic nerve and away I go....nausea was very brief (<5 min.) without the need to vomit. Remember to burp [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Chillrmn1 on May 27th, 2005, 8:06pm Congrats to you Joe!! Glad you're doing so well and keep it going. Just got 14 days painfree due to LSA! Keep spreadin the word Bro, you did good by me! Bob |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by jokrs2 on May 27th, 2005, 8:14pm Right on Bob! ;) Overjoyed for you. Enjoying your "new world" are ya? I'm going up right now wooooooow, say that backward wooooooooow. [smiley=laugh.gif] It's great to be able to laugh and smile again. I'm going to play some cards tonight 8). Little do they know that I'll be having a ball even if I'm not getting cards. ;) Blessings, Joe |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by jokrs2 on May 27th, 2005, 8:16pm Putting those little smiley faces up can be rather wierd :P ;;D Okay one more 8) Time to check out Jonny's advice column. [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Candycane on May 28th, 2005, 10:40am One week today!!!! and Its magic to my body!!!! I would say its better than sex but I won't go quite that far...Yet!! But it sure rates up there ;;D I am HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Chillrmn1 on May 28th, 2005, 10:52am Candycane, All Right!! Yea, wouldn't quite go that far either, but it's close! (The sex thing). Bob |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by jokrs2 on May 31st, 2005, 6:07pm It's great to be able to have intimacy again without being triggered by an orgasm :P :-X. I wonder if I can eat chocolate again? ;;D |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Candycane on May 31st, 2005, 7:39pm on 05/31/05 at 18:07:47, jokrs2 wrote:
Yes, it is.....isn't life wonderful!! Still partying here ;;D |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by vig on May 31st, 2005, 7:47pm So... let me see if I have this straight. There are people stopping their cluster headaches with seeds and roots, that are cheap and legal, have little or no side effects, and there are STILL other people getting little to no relief from massive amounts of expensive prescribed pharmaceuticals, going to emergency rooms, losing jobs and families.... please explain... [smiley=huh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Chillrmn1 on May 31st, 2005, 8:11pm Can't be explained by me, but wish all could find relief from this wicked, horrible, and painful disease. "Beast" is a fitting name for it. Bob |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Langa on May 31st, 2005, 8:12pm on 05/31/05 at 18:07:47, jokrs2 wrote:
Absolutely great to have an orgasm without being triggered...however, how about just napping, or eating a meal, or watching tv...I mean, before the LSA seeds, just about everything would trigger an attack for me. To say that I've been given my life back is an understatement. Langa |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Candycane on May 31st, 2005, 8:22pm on 05/31/05 at 20:12:43, Langa wrote:
Okay, who took our Maria? and when she coming back ;;D |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Candycane on May 31st, 2005, 8:24pm on 05/31/05 at 20:12:43, Langa wrote:
Okay...who took our Maria and when is she coming back? ;;D |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Langa on May 31st, 2005, 8:29pm Alright, alright, nothing like a good orgasm without being triggered... 8) Happy now? ;) Langa |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by plazticsoul on May 31st, 2005, 11:43pm I'm starting the Indurol and Xanax combo, I'm eliminating drinking for a while and I'm on a nicotine patch. I saw this thread and immediately decided to order those seeds!!! Do you think the seeds if taken in just a light dosage would interact with the Indurol or Xanax? Indurol is a beta-blocker. And I'm only taking .25mg of Xanax twice a day which is really light. Probably even light enough to skip a day without noticing much difference. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Pinkfloyd on Jun 1st, 2005, 12:35am on 05/31/05 at 23:43:18, plazticsoul wrote:
There are no shortcuts. Please don't assume anything is a "light dose" especially when considering mixing medications. If the combination of Inderal and xanax doesn't do the trick, detox off them properly and safely before trying the seeds. Bobw |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Chillrmn1 on Jun 1st, 2005, 5:28am Interaction of the meds with the seeds is one reason to detox. The second reason is it's possible the meds could block the effects of the seeds. Start with a very low dose of the seeds first to see how they affect you. I had to only dose once and have been painfree and in remission now for almost 3 weeks. And yes, I was completely detoxed from all conventional/traditional medications. Keep us posted on how it works out for you. Bob |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Flash on Jun 1st, 2005, 5:35am Extract from a Clusterbusters post: "Ethnogarden Botanicals from Canada was one of the vendors at the Mind States conference in San Francisco May 27-29. They had Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds for sale. I told him about HBWR seeds as a treatment for CH. He said if HBWR seeds work, Rivea Corymbosa seeds should work even better. He said they have the same psychoactive effect as HBWR seeds but none of the side effects of HBWR seeds like nausea and gravity-pull. The Rivea Corymbosa seeds are much smaller than HBWR seeds. They're only about 1/4th the size. There are about 4 times as many of them (looked like more than 200) in a 7g package as there are HBWR seeds in a 7g package. He said 20 Rivea Corymbosa seeds is psychoactively equivalent to 5 HBWR seeds. Instead of opening the seed, scraping out the inside and making tea; you just crush the entire seeds and make tea. He also said don't dose more than 45 seeds at a time because 40-45 is like a full LSD dose. Prices are in Canadian dollars, you can order on-line with major credit cards and they ship worldwide. Here's the link to his website... http://www.ethnogarden.com Here's the Rivea Corymbosa seeds page... http://www.ethnogarden.com/cart/index.pl/catid_77/proid_156 Could this be another "legal" weapon in our arsenal against the beast? I didn't buy them, but I thought one of you experienced psychonauts might want to do some further research on them. I found that they are also known as "ololiuqui" and found these links... http://www.erowid.org/plants/ololiuqui/ololiuqui.shtml http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/references/ other/1971_hofmann_bulletin-narcotics.shtml#s110" BikerBob - hope you don't mind me reposting this here but felt it was very worthwhile. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by giffy76 on Jun 1st, 2005, 1:43pm How long should I detox from depekote? and trex injects |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 1st, 2005, 2:42pm Quote:
You make it sound like there aren't any people getting relief from small to moderate amounts of medications and not suffering any side effects. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Candycane on Jun 1st, 2005, 2:50pm Well, it has made ALL the difference in my life and to know I am not destorying my body and mind with verapamil/Lithium) is a comfort to me. I am real health minded person (besides CH) so I feel incredible lucky to have found those seeds. And to have found all of you. STILL HAPPY! ROCK ON!!! 8) THANKS GUYS ;) PS SuzieQ check your PM's |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Langa on Jun 1st, 2005, 3:05pm Small amounts of meds? I personally don’t know any clusterhead that is on small amounts of conventional meds, having great results in controlling their clusters, with no side-effects. Most doses they prescribe to us that even come close to helping is enough to kill a child. And perhaps this isn’t a major concern for episodics, that then have remission periods that give their bodies a chance to recoup, but what about chronics? I don’t care how small the dose, years of meds will do damage. I’m no expert and I understand the concerns for some people with the mushroom treatment, but Kudzu and LSA are literally breaking cycles. LSA seeds for me literally broke an 11 month cycle. Broke it, no shadowing, no low level clusters. I’m completely PF. Think about it - 50 seeds, $14, 2 seeds a dose, 2 doses and I’m PF for 7 weeks now. For me, the proof is in the pudding and I’m not the only one that is claiming this success either. This is obviously not something to jump into, read all you can on it, educate yourself about the medicinal interactions, but don’t just sit there if there’s a way to get your life back. I agree with what Vig said all the way…and even I have asked the same question. Langa |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by hdbngr on Jun 1st, 2005, 3:35pm I'm on the bandwagon, too. Gonna order some seeds. Kudzu not avaialable here, but my dear old dad lives in the south and is going to send some. Thanks for the tips, V |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 1st, 2005, 6:28pm Quote:
How were these destroying your body and mind and how do you know the seeds aren't doing some destroying? |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Langa on Jun 1st, 2005, 6:53pm on 06/01/05 at 18:28:49, Bob P wrote:
[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] This is a trick question right...??? A joke??? The seeds are destroying a lot actually...It's kicking the beast's ass where it stands, chewing it up and spitting it out like yesterday's news...all I need to know...on to enjoying PF time now...same to you Candycane... ;;D I'll drink a glass of wine too and celebrate this PF time, something I haven't been able to do in 11 months. Langa |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Candycane on Jun 1st, 2005, 7:00pm on 06/01/05 at 18:28:49, Bob P wrote:
well, I don't seem to need it everyday.....I can sleep, I can have sex, I can remember who I had sex with (just kidden) I can have a drink without problems, all my body acts like it did before the CH without the hits!!! Most of all I can talk to my daughter and do things with her without worrying if I will wreck our time together!! So I say I AM HAPPY!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 1st, 2005, 7:21pm Quote:
Now I'm confused. So did you mean the ch was destroying your body and mind or the verap/lithium was destroying your body/mind? |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Candycane on Jun 1st, 2005, 7:28pm on 06/01/05 at 19:21:15, Bob P wrote:
I know its hard being confused ;;D The CH beat the crap out of me and the drugs SOMETIMES held it off with the extra advantdages of a fucked mind and body.... but that was just me ;;D |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Flounder on Jun 2nd, 2005, 12:31am on 06/01/05 at 18:28:49, Bob P wrote:
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Flash on Jun 2nd, 2005, 6:31am The troll already knows that 0.000060g of hallucinogen taken infrequently is much easier on the body than 1g of verapamill every day for the rest of a persons life. But the troll doesn't care. The troll is driven by the entirely unrelated pysiological need to get off... and the only way the troll can get off is by winding you up. It goes no deeper than that. So ignore the troll. Imagine it sitting whacking itself off as it types. The need to respond is somehow diminished, and the troll remains unsatiated. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 2nd, 2005, 6:54am Somehow I can always count on you to come through Flash, when the legitimate, hard questions are asked. Questions you obviously don't have answers for. Now, in all honesty, I'm not aware of what damage verap does or how it is harder on the body. That's why I ask questions. Would you be kind enough to enlighten me? I'm 95% pain free on less than 1/2 gram of verap. Side effects? It's lowered my blood pressure (good or bad side effect?). I'd really like to know what harm I'm doing to my body? |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by giffy76 on Jun 2nd, 2005, 7:52am I don't see why it matters if it was the meds or the ch destroying mind & body, the point is, both are gone and that's good enough for me. Verap/Lith blah blah blah, trolls whackin off blah blah blah flash doesn't know answers blah blah blah. LOL. Now who's going to tell me how long I need to detox before taking the seeds |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 2nd, 2005, 8:21am Quote:
If it doesn't matter to you, that's fine. I believe that ch messes us up emotionally. I also think that some medications mess us up emotionally. But if a medication is doing physical harm to the body, I'd really like to know about it. Some ask why and some say who cares. That's just the way people are. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by giffy76 on Jun 2nd, 2005, 9:10am Physical harm is part of life, everything you do risks physical harm. Eggs, Salt, hamburgers, beer, smoking, smog you name it. If something is going to improve my standard of living I say bring it on. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by JJA on Jun 2nd, 2005, 9:48am on 06/02/05 at 07:52:16, giffy76 wrote:
The longer the better... 2 weeks is probably ideal. 4 days seems to be the minimum advised by clusterbusters. Quote:
Read everything and decide for yourself. Jesse Edit to add: Clusterbusters FAQ is very clear about the answer on how long to wait between doses, but not on how long the detox should be. I looked for a better answer, but couldn't find one. Anyone from CB want to help me out? |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by vig on Jun 2nd, 2005, 10:02am on 06/02/05 at 08:21:23, Bob P wrote:
prednisone |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 2nd, 2005, 11:00am Quote:
The follow-up question. If you take pred as directed by your doc, what harm does it do to the body? |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Racer1_NC on Jun 2nd, 2005, 1:42pm on 06/02/05 at 11:00:38, Bob P wrote:
From DrugDigest.org............. Quote:
I've taken it before.....and would take it again if I HAD to, but it's sure not the safest thing out there. Bill |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Pinkfloyd on Jun 2nd, 2005, 3:22pm on 06/02/05 at 06:54:26, Bob P wrote:
But you aren't "just on verapamil" now are you? Maybe you are. How many cluster sufferers are *just* on verapamil? Prednisone? JJA's list didn't have "makes many people not a very nice person's". And no, I'm not referring to anyone in particular. I wonder how many relationships have been destroyed just by prednisone. I know one transplant recipient (they are put on prednisone) who not only threatened to kill his whole family but had the shotgun loaded and aimed. Even the transplant team said it was caused by the prednisone and is fairly common....going NUTS on the stuff. I know of at least three people here that have AVN from "prescribed" doses of prednisone. 20 years of prescribed dosing of prednisone destroyed my left hip. Maybe in 25 years OUCH can hold prednisone sponsored wheelchair races at the convention. Ergots? Large doses can cause gangrene. If large doses can do that, what are smaller doses doing? When do numerous small doses become equal to a large dose? Especially to vascular systems that are artificially controlled by verapamil? I don't know. How many people were permanently damaged by using sansert, an ergot, as prescribed? The doctors that finally began prescribing 30 day vacations from sansert (and not all did or do) did so after how many people had soft tissue organs turn into fibrous masses? They didn't start doing that after some rat had a heart attack. Which anti-depressant, anti-convulsant, anti-seizure meds, taken every day for years, messes with the mind less than psilocybin a few times a year? Is 900mg of lithium a day or 200mg of topamax a day, or 400mg of tegretol a day, safer than 3 doses of psilocybin a year? If depakote can turn your liver into mush, what is it doing to your neurological system where it's prescribed to work upon? Lots of questions. We all do what we need to do, and is right for ourselves. Everyone should be researching these questions and finding out for themselves. Don't rely upon some stranger named after a rock band on the internet tell, you whats right for you. ;;D Pinkfloyd |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 2nd, 2005, 3:55pm Quote:
Getting close. 480mg verap has pretty much killed 'em. Use O2 for the 2 or 3 Kip1's I get. Do still use 3 or 4 tabs of cafergot a week, when the head gets too fuzzy. Probably days away from being through with this cluster and not have to think about it for the next 4 years. Anxious to feel normal and get back to really raggin' on you guys ;) (maybe I'll even chase off some of these meegrainin' women) |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by stomper on Jun 2nd, 2005, 5:11pm heynow , my 1st post, 11yr CH , trexhead 10yrs, have taken all meds, lately verap for couple of years and about 5 months that with the dreded dep.along with that wellbutrin for about 2wks(this is all new to me ,as far as ever talkin bout this) 1st post so, soanyway i just received my 1st ever order of these neat little hbwr seeds. got them from IAS . so i read stuff on how to use them, do i have this right? 1st crack them open take out the inside , now do i crush the inside or leave whole, now heres the prbm how much water? per dose ,as 1st dose would be 2?, 3? and do i soak them or get them hot like tea , and how, micro or stove. steep right? questions questions??need some suport on this. lookin for answers on this sub. my current cycle has been7mths now, lately about 2 attacks that rate 10 plus before injection 1 in the middle of the night and one in the erly am, tru the day some hard shadows and remiders .so im lookin to break this current and hopefully future cycles. P.F.D & N. TO US ALL!! THANKS TO JOKERS2 & MIAPET AND JOE THANKS 4 MAKIN A CHANGE IN THIS CRAZY WORLD WE CALL CLUSTER*#%ED !! FROM THE NEW OLD GUY (41) JIMMY B |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 2nd, 2005, 5:30pm Take them according to your doctor's instructions. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Jonny on Jun 2nd, 2005, 5:32pm on 06/02/05 at 15:55:31, Bob P wrote:
GREAT!!...finally...some back up http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/yahoo.gif |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by stomper on Jun 2nd, 2005, 5:53pm I need help on how to take them. My doctor doesn't want me to take them, so she can't give me instrustions. Could somebody help me out? |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 2nd, 2005, 6:09pm on 05/21/05 at 06:33:19, Flash wrote:
The verap & lith comment is aimed at someone else but Flash is the local expert on all thing illegal but fun. He's your man! Interesting reading in his link. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Jonny on Jun 2nd, 2005, 6:47pm Giving medical advice if your not a Doctor is just plain fucking WRONG......IMHO! I know you shroom dudes are doing some really good work but someone is going to die! |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Pinkfloyd on Jun 2nd, 2005, 7:02pm on 06/02/05 at 18:09:37, Bob P wrote:
I guess if they were illegal then Flash would be your man. They aren't any more illegal than the poppy seeds on the buns at Burger King....at least in the US. Stomper.... We're still working on the details as only a small number of people have gone this route to date. Nothing is set in stone and for that reason alone, you should be more cautious than usual. First read everything at www.clusterbusters.com , including the FAQ and warning pages. Note 5 day normal detox periods. If you think you've researched this enough, do some more. If you've read it all, read it again. General instructions that differ from the mushrooms, based on what others have done and acheived relief.... 2 or 3 seeds, shelled. Inner "meat" crushed and soaked in a shotglass of water for 2 hours. ( do not heat ) While it's soaking...read some more. Drink the water and swallow the seed mush. Bobw |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Pinkfloyd on Jun 2nd, 2005, 7:50pm on 06/02/05 at 18:47:51, Jonny wrote:
Well, I guess that since none of these things are approved for medical purposes, it can be argued that it isn't medical advice. In all seriousness, if you think that we don't worry about this, you're wrong. We try to post as many warnings as possible but will it always be enough? Who knows. Will everyone we are talking to be telling us the truth about what they are currently taking, how much they use to dose with, if they have other medical problems that would tell us they shouldn't try this? I doubt it. Is this a problem? Yes, a big one. There is medical advice given out here all the time. There are never enough disclaimers, even here. Whats going to happen when you send someone a hookup for 02 and you read about the explosion in the newspaper? I pray that never happens, but you won't be responsible. That doesn't mean you won't feel some responsibility. As would we if anything bad happens. IMHO, pharmaceutical companies have more to say about dosages, prescribing options etc, and safety than doctors. Just read the reports on how Neurontin was prescribed and tell me the pharmaceutical reps didn't have more to do with prescribing than the doctors signing the scripts. But, yes, it scares the hell out of me. I appreciate the comment jonny and understand. Doctors and hospitals aren't exactly the safest places.. (AP) Deaths linked to hospital infections in 2000 were 14 percent higher than the federal government estimated, and nearly 75 percent of the deaths could have been prevented, a newspaper reported. About 103,000 deaths were linked to hospital infections, 13,000 more than the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention calculated last year, according to a report in Sunday editions of the Chicago Tribune. Many of the deaths were caused by unsanitary facilities, germ-laden instruments and unwashed hands, the newspaper reported. Infection rates are soaring nationally, exacerbated by hospital cutbacks and carelessness by doctors and nurses, according to the newspaper. Hospital infections are now the fourth leading cause of death in the United States, behind heart disease, cancer and strokes, according to the CDC. At Loyola University Medical Center in Maywood, Ill., a doctor dropped a surgical glove on a dirty floor, picked it up, put it on his hand and changed the bloody dressing on the open wound of a burn patient. In Detroit, infections killed four babies in 1997 as doctors and nurses moved about the pediatric intensive care unit without washing their hands, according to court records and interviews. It took two months for administrators to close the nursery for cleaning. Staphylococcus bacteria inside a West Palm Beach, Fla., hospital infected more than 100 cardiac patients, killing 13, according to court records. The survivors underwent painful and debilitating surgery, as rotting bone was cut from their bodies. Last Update: Saturday, May 28, 2005. 11:42am (AEST) Govt accused of ignoring hospital deaths report The Doctors Reform Society says the Federal Government has done nothing about a study which shows thousand of Australians die unnecessarily in hospital each year. The Government commissioned a study in 1995 which showed 18,000 people die each year from causes such as being given the wrong dose of drugs. The president of the society, Tim Woodruff, says it is time the Government made sure the power and resources are there to improve the hospital system. He says introducing a no fault compensation scheme would ensure hospitals report problems so that they can be properly addressed. "If they sit on their hands then these people are going to continue to die." :( Bobw |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by stomper on Jun 2nd, 2005, 8:13pm man thanks 4 the input P.F. man after i posted my 1st post (it will be one to remember) as i truly am not into the HIGH PART, i just was intresed just recently asked to take this juice stuff called MANGOSTEEN and man i was hesitent on drinkin that stuff and i did not. actually my wife is the one that suggusted HBWR as she has been lookin for for answers to this crazy world of clusters as , family is hurting to! (hey mybe shes tierd of this #%*&to and wants a way out somehow to ey?hint ,hint ;) so im learnin ,not willin to do anything till i read &read up on this ,sorry if ofended any one. and thanks to everyone for the words of wisdom . u2 bob man im typin here with an 7into8 on the charts, half a viel of trex smtimes works and man is it , thank god! man the trex is killin us to! thinkin and all .ill keep in touch PFD&N2ALL jimmy b :-X [smiley=huh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Jonny on Jun 2nd, 2005, 8:33pm on 06/02/05 at 19:50:56, Pinkfloyd wrote:
Your stats are bull-shit Bob and you know it, although they may be true they have nothing to do with CH. Telling someone to wean off all their meds is a major fubar, just how do you know what they are taking and what for?..... When your stats are in the region of CH I will not laugh. YOUR NOT A DOCTOR....realise this! I never bad mouth the shrooms (ask pink)....but, Man! |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Chillrmn1 on Jun 2nd, 2005, 9:00pm I don't see anybody playing doctor here. I see other peoples experiences being shared. If one is taking a certain group of medications which are not providing acceptable results, then the person has a right to make their own decision. Regardless of the decision made, the person has to accept it's their responsibility to accept the results and only that person is accountable to themselves. I had to make that decision myself, for I had no longer received what I considered to be acceptable results with traditional medications and desperation set in. I chose to try alternative treatments and found LSA . LSA broke my cycle, completely stopped my pain and agony. Regardless of how I could have responded otherwise, it was still a decision I made and was ready to accept and hold myself responsible. This is a personal decision one must make for themselves after performing their research and attaining a level of comfort with it. Point is, I don't see anybody playing doctor here, just experiences shared, be it good or bad, and a source of information available no where else giving others options to choose from if so desired. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Pinkfloyd on Jun 2nd, 2005, 9:05pm on 06/02/05 at 20:33:13, Jonny wrote:
Hypothalamic stimulation in chronic cluster headache: a pilot study of efficacy and mode of action J. Schoenen1,2, L. Di Clemente1, M. Vandenheede1, A. Fumal1,2, V. De Pasqua1, M. Mouchamps3, J.-M. Remacle3 and A. Maertens de Noordhout1 University Departments of 1 Neurology and 2 Neuroanatomy, University of Liège and 3 Department of Neurosurgery, CHR Citadelle, Liege, Belgium We enrolled six patients suffering from refractory chronic cluster headache in a pilot trial of neurostimulation of the ipsilateral ventroposterior hypothalamus using the stereotactic coordinates published previously. After the varying durations needed to determine optimal stimulation parameters and a mean follow-up of 14.5 months, the clinical outcome is excellent in three patients (two are pain-free; one has fewer than three attacks per month), but unsatisfactory in one patient, who only has had transient remissions. Mean voltage is 3.28 V, diplopia being the major factor limiting its increase. When the stimulator was switched off in one pain-free patient, attacks resumed after 3 months until it was turned on again. In one patient the implantation procedure had to be interrupted because of a panic attack with autonomic disturbances. Another patient died from an intracerebral haemorrhage that developed along the lead tract several hours after surgery; there were no other vascular changes on post-mortem examination. You're right, I'm not a doctor. Never said I was. Bobw |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Pinkfloyd on Jun 2nd, 2005, 9:23pm on 06/02/05 at 20:33:13, Jonny wrote:
How many people have you talked to here about their lithium dosages? Maybe mentioned their dose was too low? Maybe you've told them all to check with their docs about upping the dosage. Maybe one of them won't want to wait.... Lithium Intoxication Original Author: Paul Perry, Ph.D, BCPP Latest Revisers: Paul Perry, Ph.D, BCPP, Vicki Ellingrod, Pharm.D., BCPP Creation Date: 1996 Peer Review Status: Internally Peer Reviewed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- INTRODUCTION Through 1978, approximately 123 cases of lithium intoxication have been reported since 1949 and most of them since 1963 (Hansen and Amdisen 1978). Acute overdosage results in a 25% mortality rate, while mortality in patients intoxicated during maintenance treatment with lithium is approximately 9%. Additionally persistent central nervous system or renal damage or both are estimated to occur in about 10% of patients (Hansen and Amdisen 1978). A more recent review of 213 cases reported through 1986, found that acute overdosage results in a 33% (26/80) neurologic morbidity rate (usually ataxia and tremor), while mortality in patients intoxicated during maintenance treatment with lithium is approximately 8% (15/193) (El-Mallakh 1986). In 1991 the American Association of Poison Control Centers reported 4149 cases of lithium exposures with 80% of the cases involving adults. Two thirds of all exposures were intentional and the mortality rate was less than 1%. Moderate to severe toxic reactions were seen in 15% (Krishel and Jackimczyk 1991). <snipped> The intoxication may lead to a disturbance of fluid and electrolyte balance, fall in blood pressure, and possibly shock (Schou 1978). In most patients, the optimum standard prophylactic lithium level varies between 0.45-1.00 mEq/L. However, the critical serum lithium concentration, that at which there is a danger of lithium accumulation, does not have a fixed value but may vary with the sodium intake and the factors that affect the minimum sodium requirement. Do you ask them what their sodium levels are before discussing their lithium dose? Thus, it is particularly important for the clinician to be aware that inappropriate increases in the serum lithium concentration may be a harbinger of a pending lithium intoxication. However, it is also possible to find toxic reactions to lithium within normal therapeutic serum levels. Lithium poisoning may be caused by (1) the intake of a single, large overdose with suicidal intent or (2) a reduction of the renal lithium clearance without a corresponding reduction of dosage. The renal lithium clearance may be reduced as a result of (1) kidney disease or (2) sodium deficiency and 3) water deprivation. The sodium deficiencies and water losses may be caused by (1) a low or no-added salt diet, (2) a weight reduction diet without the addition of extra salt and the reduced fluid intake (3) use of diuretic drugs, (4) extrarenal sodium and water loss, e.g., sweating from a fever, vomiting, diarrhea, etc. and (5) a rise of the serum lithium concentration above a certain patient-specific critical level (El-Mallakh 1986). When you tell people to chack with their doctors about going on litium, do you also tell them to make sure they don't go onto a low salt diet at the same time? What if their doctors don't tell them? What makes my suggestions any more dangerous than anyone elses here? You always tell people to read what's on thefront door of this place.....I think it has a disclaimer there somewhere about taking advice. peace ~ Bobw |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Jonny on Jun 2nd, 2005, 9:25pm on 06/02/05 at 21:05:16, Pinkfloyd wrote:
Fine....but how come you tell people to wean?.....You know what they are taking? Com'om....it aint brain surgery to know that when you tell someone to wean their drugs they will......Heart drugs? |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by BikerBob on Jun 2nd, 2005, 10:58pm on 06/02/05 at 21:25:44, Jonny wrote:
Jonny, I commend the Clusterbusters and BobW for being a lot more cautious about the use of medications, recommending medications and detoxing than you have been. The Clusterbusters FAQ and Warning page is way too long to post here, but here are some excerpts of it: Quote:
It includes other warnings about use of psychedelics with cardiovascular problems, liver problems, psychological problems and many others. Jonny, your posts on this board are a lot more likely to result in people's continued agony, or death, than theirs. Bob |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Pinkfloyd on Jun 3rd, 2005, 12:30am on 06/02/05 at 21:25:44, Jonny wrote:
Just so we're clear on this stuff because it is an important point you make. I don't know what they are taking unless they tell me. Even then, all I can comment on is what they tell me. on 06/02/05 at 21:25:44, Jonny wrote:
I know it's not. I think it's safer than brain surgery. Thats one reason why i feel it's so important to follow up on this, and any other new treatment. People ARE going through brain surgery to (try) fix their clusters. I never tell anyone to wean off all the medications they are using. Usually all "cluster" meds but even then, some of the drugs they are on for clusters are also being used for other purposes. If thats the case, they are advised to stay on the medication. Advised to consult with their doctors. Heart medications? I'm not trying to kill people to prove a point. It sounds like you'd be surprised by all the people I've told to NOT use this method because of many reasons. Medications they must stay on. Physical or mental problems. If they have a problem getting detoxed from their usual cluster meds, like triptans, I suggest they wait until this cycle is over and try the treatment before the next cycle starts and before they begin taking the cluster meds again. Many people NEVER have to detox from anything. We suggest that everyone discuss this with their doctors first. You might be surprised at how many do. You can read some of that data when the peer-reviewed article is published. If you notice, I don't go looking for people to try this method. Just about every other medication and treatment is suggested here to people looking for help. Most come to us when all else has failed and most do more research on psilocybin than they ever did on Imitrex or lithium. The times people are pointed in our direction, they are told to go read the website. They aren't told...."detox off all meds and eat a handful of mushrooms." I know you're concerned about the people that come here jonny. I have no doubt about your concerns or your interest. We are just as concerned and want people to get pain free, safely, just as you do. Bobw Do you know that many of the carriers and/or pigments in tattoo ink is more toxic than psilocybin? If they used sodium aluminum silicate to make up the blue, as an example, that is 17.5 times more toxic than psilocybin. ;) |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Flash on Jun 3rd, 2005, 5:09am Verapamill lowers blood pressure. Lower blood pressure is only good if you have high blood pressure in the first place. I was twice prescribed a similar medication to treat my CH, the bet-blocker propanolol. The first time was OK although it did little or nothing for the CH and just made me feel slow, space and disconnected all day, every day for the whole month. The second time the GP prescribed a different variation on the drug. This lowered my blood pressure too much. My resting heart rate which is naturally fast due to harmless MPVS fell to 50bpm, and I was unable to climb the stairs. This was uncomfortable and unpleasant... then during a bad CH attack the bradychardia kicked in and my heart rate dropped to 30bpm. IMO I could have very easily died. So I stopped taking the drug. I have also been prescribed large doses of anagesic medication for CH. These make CH much, much, worse. The GP might just as well have prescribed alcohol! In fact alcohol would have been milder than what I went through for the next 2 weeks! People die due to complications from taking prescribed medications every day. Modern medicine hasn't moved as far from the dark ages as they'd like you to believe. People caught AIDS, Hep C, and CJD from blood transfusions. I even know one guy that was given the wrong blood! The fact they would have died without the transfusion is small comfort. Then there's thalidamide... I have refused prescriptions for triptans, methysergide, ergotamine, and predisone. They just aren't worth the risk for little or no improvement and potentially a worsening of the condition. Verapamill is now being strongly implicated in turning people chronic. When I was 14-15 I was prescribed rotating courses of 3 different antibiotics for 2 weeks at a time each over a period of almost a year. this was to treat acne. No it didn't work... but it did result in candida problems 15 years later... Cheers Doc! How good are my GPs? Well it only took them 8 years to diagnose me in the first place... not bad going. I mean how hard is CH to spot? Look at the problems the world is facing due to over prescription of antibiotics. People at my work are even being prescribed them for the flu!!! WTF??? Taking virtually any drug frequently and over a long time period in large or concentrated doses is bad for you. Even O2 as we should all be aware by now. I have some reservations over the kudzu treatment regarding this because it involves taking large and frequent doses over a sustained time period. We simply don;t have any data on the long term effects of doing this. Personally I might feel more comfortable with verapamill than Kudzu based on that... BUT unless 'someone' tests this out we will never know. I feel I've done my time testing out the shrooms. I'm still alive and PF over 12 years later. The big safety advantage with hallucinogenic drugs is the extremely low and demonstrably non-toxic effective dose. This is typically 10,000 times lower than the dose for most conventional medications. AND hallucinogens and typically exremely non-toxic substances. LSD is only slightly more toxic than vitamin A. Substantially less toxic than any other known CH medication. Less toxic than alcohol, nicotene, and caffiene. Then there's the frequency of dosing thing. This typically ranges from 7 days to 2 years+. Yes the sip method uses much more frequent doses, but those doses are incredibly small. We are also taling about mainly sub-hallucinogenic, threshold, or light doses. These are extremely safe. I can only find data on 8 deaths medically attributed to use of LSD or psilocybin. And the relationship with those is indirect. 4 of them relate to drowning. 1 relates to a rare heart condition. 2 of them to jumpers, one of whom was rumoured to have ingested LSD 2 months previously (and this one is highly suspect), and 1 suicide of a man who was spiked by the CIA with 100x the usual recreational dose. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 3rd, 2005, 9:24am Quote:
Holy shit! Have you shared this news with the cluster guru's? |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by karma on Jun 3rd, 2005, 11:38am Quote:
I don't have the exact wording that was used but Goadsby's answer to the question of wether or not verap can extend a cycle was probably or likely. Thats a pretty solid implication by THE most respected person involved with the treament of CH. Does it mean it will turn you chronic? No. Does it mean that using verap may make you think you are chronic or extend the cycle into the chronic period? Maybe Maybe a bad choice of words by Flash but the implication is there that verap can extend your cycle. It did for me and nearly fucking killed me. NEVER AGAIN! There is always a trade of in choosing treatments. The #1 priority is affectivness After that its all personal preference. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by vig on Jun 3rd, 2005, 1:11pm I think the other point trying to be made here has to do with doctors and the medical/pharmaceutical worlds. They do NOT have our best interest in mind. They have their OWN best interests driving their behavior. Not that this is all bad, but doctors have to feed their families. They have to stick to the tried methods that are approved by the AMA, etc. They CAN'T take the same risks as we can. Pharmaceutical companies answer to stock holders. Their mission is to make money. OUR health comes next (a DISTANT next if you ask me) I learned the hard way not to take doctor's words as facts. It has been shown time and time again here that we are consistently misdiagnosed and improperly prescribed inappropriate medicines. Blake? (3 years on Prednisone... PRESCRIBED!) I still like doctors. They can give good advice, but now they are paid consultants for me. I have to make the best decisions based the best information. I CAN take risks. I HAVE to. The paths the doctors led me on did NOT lead to better health. I told my doctor what I was up to with the alternatives and he said: "you are going off the map". Yes, I am... the map that he was using did not have a route that works for me and I can see many others here in a similar situation. I hope nobody gets hurt trying these new alternatives, but we already know many are being hurt by CH and we sit VERY low on the priority lists of the medical/pharmaceutical worlds. We have to help ourselves or we won't get helped... not in my lifetime anyway. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 3rd, 2005, 2:07pm I know a guy who has a bag of seeds. If it works for him, I'll bum a couple of seeds from him and give it a try. I'll let you all know how well they work when taken in conjunction with verap and cafergot. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by vig on Jun 3rd, 2005, 2:36pm but you won't know if it worked or not because of the other medicines.... |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 3rd, 2005, 2:46pm Vig, please don't tell me I did it wrong until I really do it wrong, which we all know, I am a sure bet to do (it wrong that is). Someone's got to put their life on the line to validate these drug interaction claims. Like Mr. Happy says, Beta testing is hard work. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by vig on Jun 3rd, 2005, 2:58pm I sure wouldn't want to head into it knowing I was going to do it wrong... why would you? in any experiment, the ideal is to limit the variables. Such as, if verapamil is 95% effective for you, why would you add 4 tabs of cafergot per week? or why would you take psilocybin for one week, then immediately start taking Kudzu for a week, then onto verapamil and cafergot... You have no idea what worked and what didn't. how can you possibly learn anything about any of the drugs that way? |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by karma on Jun 3rd, 2005, 3:35pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by stomper on Jun 3rd, 2005, 3:43pm heynow , just took the 1st dose .just {2} hbwr, not bad tasting . really read up on this the last 3 days or so. after the last 12 hours, hit 3 times, hard ,so i said enough of this. just had 1 question what if this does not work, and i get hit, can i use the trex ? [smiley=huh.gif] will keep you posted ! jimm |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 3rd, 2005, 4:03pm If it doesn't work YOU DID IT WRONG! |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Langa on Jun 3rd, 2005, 4:12pm on 06/03/05 at 15:43:03, stomper wrote:
I got hit pretty bad 7 hours after my first dose and had heavy shadows for 2 days after...For the hit and the shadows I used 02, not the trex as I didn't want anything in my system but the LSA. Too early to tell Stomper, but please keep us posted... Langa |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by karma on Jun 3rd, 2005, 4:12pm Quote:
Are you sure you really want anything to work? Christ, fella can't you mange to get around the ego for a while a look at things a little clearly? |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 3rd, 2005, 4:23pm If you think I'm really gonna sit around for a week, in cluster pain, waiting for my hypo to reset and the door to close, you guys are really a bigger bunch of morons than I thought! |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by karma on Jun 3rd, 2005, 4:29pm make that pain free bunch of morons I spelled it out so there wouldn't be any confusion about what pf means. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Margi on Jun 3rd, 2005, 4:54pm how's the fishin, today Bob? Catching anything? |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 3rd, 2005, 4:56pm I think there are possibilities to be explored in shrooms, kudzu and HBWR seeds. I think they may very well possess some properties for fighting ch. I think the drivel you idiots spew regarding those possibilites displays a total and complete lack of logic. I think flaunting your pain free status to other clusterheads who are still suffering makes you a total a*s*s*h*o*l*e! chillerman - dropped the f off of If. I'll modify it so you won't feel so confused. Margi - goin' for a whopper. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by SteCo on Jun 3rd, 2005, 4:59pm on 06/03/05 at 15:43:03, stomper wrote:
Stomper...try O2 for an abort. Works pretty well for most I think. The trex MAY provide rebounds in some folks. Do not be too surpised if you get a post dose hit or two as they are not all that uncommon. and again....try the O2 for hits (link on left of page for specifics that must be followed for it to work well) Once you try O2, you will probably be a huge fan, and not need the trex as a crutch anymore. Try and stay clear of CH meds, as the alt. treatments seem to work better that way (the theory is nothing to potentially block the good effects of alt. treaments) Good luck and please keep us posted. SteCo.....add me to the PF moron list ;;D |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Chillrmn1 on Jun 3rd, 2005, 5:14pm I think flaunting your pain free status to other clusterheads who are still suffering makes you a total not a very nice person! With all due respect, that's an inaccurate interpretation in my opinion. I sincerely believe when a sufferer finds a treatment, whether it be traditional, alternative, or other, which relieves their pain, that they are comunicating and sharing this information in genuous goodness in hopes somebody like themselves may find relief. That's what it's all about. The use of and labeling people as "MORONS" is uncalled for and inappropriate. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Jonny on Jun 3rd, 2005, 5:25pm on 06/02/05 at 22:58:00, BikerBob wrote:
LMAO....your just pissed that I showed the folks you know shit about bikes....LOL ;;D Wheres that gas tank again? :-* |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by stomper on Jun 3rd, 2005, 5:37pm HEY NOW, ALL IS OK .AT 1ST IT WAS LIKE OH- NO THEN GOT SOME HARD SHADOWS, THEY SINCE HAVE PAST BUT MAN IT REALLY FELT LIKE THE DEMOND WAS BEING PUSHED OUT .FEEL GOOD AND WILL DO THIS .WEENING OFF THE DEP AND WILL ALSO ON VERAP .AS I NOW FEEL THAT THIS JUST MIGHT WORK. THANKS LANGA,STECO PFDANN TO US ALL !!!! :) , KEEP U POSTED, JIMM. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by karma on Jun 3rd, 2005, 5:59pm Quote:
Get over yourself dude, Flaunting pf status would be doing the jig with a beer in my hand while you grovel on the ground. It'll never happen Pointing out that your approach goes against every bit of advice and history of the various treatments is what should be done. Take it or leave it. Don't much matter to me I'm just trying to hit 500 |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 3rd, 2005, 6:04pm Quote:
Drummer? Is that you? |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by E-Double on Jun 3rd, 2005, 6:11pm The fact of the matter is this....... Other than Bare Knuckling it like many of us have done for yrs.....There is nothing we take for CH without some sort of side-effect..... I try to be an educated consumer regarding OUR condition and have researched every medicinal and alternative treatment and honestly......I am more scared of the traditional meds that I take than the alternative treatments that I have only had experience with recreationally. I have to get over the social aspect of it and when I am ready I will try WHATEVER appears to work for most..... I am currently on verapamil and waiting to try lithium eventhough I know that one can die from rhenal failure when I could take a hallucinagen and risk tripping balls without relief....... Why is that??? My choice for the moment!!!! Until I try this last med....then we will see. You all claim to act as scientists...... I am a scientist!!! Let your fucking data do the talking and stop fucking bickering like children or acting like warring gangs....Holy CHit....Everyone wants to be PF... PAIN FREE!!! No one here pushes anything other than experience and resources to gather information!!! I thank everyone from BobP to BobW every fucking night! Flash to Jonny!! Matters not! All of you need to get over yourselves and just be happy that somethng worked for Joe! VENT OVER!!! |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 3rd, 2005, 6:43pm Geez! Now all the touchy/feely types are gonna tell us to settle down. We do agree on one thing though, FACTS! |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Jonny on Jun 3rd, 2005, 6:43pm on 06/03/05 at 17:59:45, karma wrote:
You got that right...ever see the size of the dude? ;;D |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Jonny on Jun 3rd, 2005, 6:44pm on 06/03/05 at 18:04:32, Bob P wrote:
Whos Dummber? ;;D |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Flash on Jun 4th, 2005, 7:16am on 06/03/05 at 14:07:07, Bob P wrote:
I think that might be a waste of time and seeds. Our stats strongly indicate that clusterbuster treatments are ineffective against troll-variant CH. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Flash on Jun 4th, 2005, 7:28am on 06/03/05 at 17:37:25, stomper wrote:
Great news. Take care tapering off those meds. You can expect a few shadows or even hits as things tail off. Personally I recommend monitoring the situation over 7 days before deciding whether to dose again. Things sometimes remain up in the air for 4 days after dosing, and occasionally become much worse during that period, only to suddenly taper off over the course of days 4,5, and 6. From our anecdoatal reports there is strong evidence that the treatment might make O2 more effective. In some cases the O2 began working for people that previously didn't respond to it. It also seems to kill shadows and hits faster than before. Be warned that the verapamill might lessen the impact of the treatment so you might find yourself dosing weekly or whatever until you manage to taper off it. That's no big deal though. No idea what impact the dep might have. Hope this helps! |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by nani on Jun 4th, 2005, 11:26am on 06/03/05 at 16:56:11, Bob P wrote:
That's total bullshit, and you know it Bob. No one FLAUNTS their PF (or almost PF) status. I've seen folks share their experiences so others might get some relief, I've never seen anyone "flaunt". >:( Now...move to the pissing contest thread and leave Joe's alone. Joe....glad you're still doing well. :) |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Candycane on Jun 4th, 2005, 12:36pm on 06/03/05 at 18:43:14, Bob P wrote:
Fact is I am totally off all meds and still PF ( call what you want but anyone intrested? ) And have a life again, if thats flaunting welll......so what? :-X |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by BobG on Jun 4th, 2005, 12:51pm I'm very late to this thread. Just want to say "Way To Go Joe!" :D Now, that said.............. Better yet, just STFU. And that is not meant in a nice way. If you can't stand it that someone has found relief from their pain please keep it to yourself. Or start your own thread. >:( |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by stomper on Jun 4th, 2005, 3:04pm well this is how things r rihgt now.5hrs after the seeds massive shadows lasting longer than 20 min wich then lead into a massive atack. had to do it ,"trex".as i have no o2 tank as it has not helped before, will get one on mon. great to hear that this might be different after the dose which is great to hear. the dep im not so worryed about. its the verap, as i have been on that for a few years strickly as a blocker "yea right". so just 2 12mgs of trex as i tryed but we all know that when the shdow hits 9 than 10 ,we and i, will do as needed no tank ,trex is it , but the good thing is,thats a lot lest since the dose "before 3 1/2" but the day is still young.man is it normal for chs to stay out of the sun becouse with me cut the grass 4sure an attack just wondering?so thats whats up in this corner,will taper will o2,this will work i can feel it! thanks 4 the heads up flash. really. and langa . so long 4 now. this old newbies post on the whats up ! will let u all know! jimm |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by stomper on Jun 4th, 2005, 3:09pm thats 2/12 shots and 31/2 shots other thats a lot of trex man the %$#@ is killin me "us". brain and god knows what else but im sure somebody dos! jimm ;) |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by plazticsoul on Jun 4th, 2005, 4:21pm Yay just got my pack of 50 seeds today! It wasn't even a week since the order was placed, either! So happy. Probably won't try it today though, as I still need to do some research. And think long and hard about any possible interactions with other substances. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Langa on Jun 5th, 2005, 11:37am Stomper, I want to hear from you...keep us posted, we're all rooting for you guy! Plazticsoul...glad you have the seeds and you are wise to read all you can before dosing. And it goes without saying we stand by you and hope to hear good news soon. By the way, thanks Nani and BobG for your earlier statements...couldn't have worded it better myself. Candycane and Joe, thrilled you're both still PF. ;) Love, Langa |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by BobG on Jun 5th, 2005, 11:57am You're welcome, Langa. So very glad you and the others are enjoying pain free time. It doesn't matter how you achieved it. ;;D I'd do a happy dance for ya but last time I tried that I got dizzy and fell off the table. Landed right on my donut. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by stomper on Jun 5th, 2005, 12:10pm hey now well since last night around 8 had to take 1/2 shot. went to bed around 10 slept un till awakin by a hit but only took 1/2 shot which worked! so somthing here is workin! less kip about 7 into 8 then have to take! seeded on 6-3 hard hits after like 5 which sounds like the norm. less ferequincy of the hits 2 days later still some hard shadows but smtimes they go away by them selves. or are they??? ;) p.s. hey langa thanks again , and to u all , jimm |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Flash on Jun 5th, 2005, 4:29pm on 06/05/05 at 12:10:15, stomper wrote:
OK it sounds like you are having trouble detoxing, and taking shots of trex is likely to hinder your chances of success. Instead I'd recommed taking 1/2 - 1 seed per day for a week AND VERY IMPORTANT STAY OFF the trex and see how that works out. Remember to peel the seed. A word to everyone out there considering this - it's pointless going down this route unless you are prepared to detox first. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by stomper on Jun 5th, 2005, 4:59pm thats a big 10 4 mister! roger that wilco, detox ? dep taking the last few day on day off now the verap could i do that the same only a bit longer. or maybe ?? just went 12 hrs pf ,1st in a few weeks now. so im in. things seem to be on the way.1/2.aday ;) thank s mr. flash. will be in touch. jimm |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Langa on Jun 5th, 2005, 5:10pm Quote:
IF you go to the convention, you'll have to dance with me then... ;) Just one tango...I promise i'll be gentle... Langa |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Langa on Jun 5th, 2005, 5:13pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Chillrmn1 on Jun 5th, 2005, 5:28pm Hey Stomper, Glad to see things going in the right direction.....12 hrs now.......lets see it go all the way!! Glad for you. Bob |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by javi_spain on Jun 6th, 2005, 12:00am Hi there Can someone translate Stomper's posts for me? Is he doing well? ;;D Stomper, with all due respect, could you please be a little clearer in your posts? I am very interested in what you have to say but am struggling with he way you write. Good luck anyway and PF wishes to all. Javier |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 6th, 2005, 9:39am Quote:
You could always consider it a beta test. If it doesn't work for him, you can blame it on the trex. If it does work for him, you can stop telling people to detox (detox - a misnomer anyway). Quote:
Those would be the same stats that you get the rest of your assumptions from? Doesn't anyone else wonder why: 5HT agonists and antagonists both interfere with this? Melatonin, a hormone, interferes with this? Verapamil, a calcium channel blocker, interferes with this? Prednisone, a steroid, interferes with this? Anti-seziure meds like topomax and depakote interfere with this? If you could find something in common with all these meds that "interfere" with these treatments, you would have a good place to look for why the treatments work. (BobG - you didn't really think I'd start taking orders from you, did ya?) |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Pinkfloyd on Jun 6th, 2005, 10:45am on 06/06/05 at 09:39:54, Bob P wrote:
Of course, on the other hand, we could give him our best advice based upon what we've learned from collecting data from over 300 people, including you. Why give him advice that will give him less of a chance to end his pain? To make you happy? At what point would you suggest we begin using what we've learned? on 06/06/05 at 09:39:54, Bob P wrote:
Gee, do ya think so? Maybe we should try to find some qualified researchers to help us? hmmm. Since you don't trust anything us amateurs have to say, we have to pay professionals to answer these things. That costs money. Would you like to donate to the fund or do you want everyone else to pay to find the answers to your questions? Bobw |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 6th, 2005, 11:19am Thanks Pink. DOI ACP-103 Agmatine No sense re-inventing the wheel. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by miapet on Jun 6th, 2005, 11:24am *YAY* and *HAPPY DANCE* to EVERYONE who has been experiencing some relief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The more minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, YEARS you keep counting . .the more I keep on dancin!!!!! For those of you in the process of getting ready to try an alternative . . .you're right to ask questions and to make the most informed decision you can make . . .even though it seems hard to swallow, that something as little as a seed or mushroom can do some serious beast-butt-kicking . .. there are a great many people counting p/f time because of those things!!! Why do so many 'traditional drugs' interfere . . .well, I have another question about the 'traditional drugs' . . .like, why don't they work? Why do they cause as much damage (or more) to all of y'all? Oh . . and I LOVED the pissing comment . . . can I add one? If ya wanna slam people for being pain free . .go piss up a rope . . . .would it be better if everyone who became pain free just went away . . .and left you floating in a sea of pain and not have anyone attempting to offer you a life line? *positive light, energy, and eternal gratitude to those who continuing helping others in their quest to beat the beast* miapet |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 6th, 2005, 11:44am Quote:
I agree with that wholeheartedly. If you find someone doing that, let me know and I'll be the first to tell them to STFU! |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by stomper on Jun 6th, 2005, 3:24pm hey now, almost 36 hrs only 1 hard shadow heyjavisimpleenough? jimm |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by jokrs2 on Jun 7th, 2005, 2:57am Alright!! ;;D Life is GREAT!! Dancing for everyone who is having success with this treatment, and ya can't beat the cost. I dosed last friday on just 5 seeds and had a trip level 4 out of 5, very surprising but very pleasant, so maybe next time I'll just do 3 seeds. I will NEVER recommend that anyone take a high dosage of an hallucinogen unless you are "very experienced", and even then extreme caution should be taken. The last time I took an Imitrex it made me feel terrible....not worth the effort and never again. I'd rather suffer, oh yeah, no more suffering with the HBWR seeds. PFD&N's to everyone. Joe |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Flash on Jun 7th, 2005, 4:46am on 06/06/05 at 09:39:54, Bob P wrote:
You missed off opiates. Also erogtamine, methysergide, and triptans do more than just act on 5HT. Personally I consider the whole 5 HT angle is likely to prove a red herring, people have been revisiting that one for 100 years and it's going nowhere. It might be more productive to look at the CGRP angle. So why do these things all negatively impact on treatment with hallucinogens? Err probably because they act... oops I mean screw around with CH. That would be the glaringly obvious link! Personally I wouldn't class melatonin as a harmless hormone. Fact is every drug pretty much interacts with every other drug on some level. Sensible people try one thing at a time. Less sensible people wind up in ER or turn into trolls. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 7th, 2005, 9:22am Gee, all that just to say you don't know? This may explain the melatonin: Quote:
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by JJA on Jun 7th, 2005, 11:31am Good find Bob P, I think this could explain why melatonin is effective for CH. It always comes back to the 5-ht2a receptors. Thanks Jesse |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Flash on Jun 7th, 2005, 12:34pm on 06/07/05 at 09:22:19, Bob P wrote:
Gee - all that to appear more intelligenter that what you am? (sic) |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Pinkfloyd on Jun 7th, 2005, 1:27pm on 06/07/05 at 09:22:19, Bob P wrote:
Guess I can't win. Too much information. Too little information...whatever. Thanks for adding the melatonin abstract though. Thats one reason we added it to our list and FAQ a few months ago. I do appreciate you posting it though. Melatonin is one of those things that some people seem to forget when we ask them what medications they are using. Maybe they consider it on an equal basis as a vitamin, I don't know, but it is forgotten sometimes...and has been an apparent problem for some. Bobw |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 7th, 2005, 1:45pm May also be mels action on the suprachiasmatic nuclei of the hypo. Maybe psyl has some actions there also. BTW - the comment you quote above was for Flash. I think you guys should keep an eye on him. He's starting to sound like some of the stoners I knew in the 60's. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by jokrs2 on Jun 7th, 2005, 4:13pm Hey Bob P I consider that a compliment and so should Flash...and since you knew them ;). Blessings from an ex-long-haired hippee who's now a tax paying voter, father of 3 very successful young men, 25, 24 & 12 and happily married for over 20 years to the same woman. And now beating the tar out of the beast. Success perhaps? Joe PS. Who is the judge who carries the measuring stick on what is acceptable drivel [smiley=huh.gif]. Opinions are like armpits, people have a couple and they usually stink. [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Bob P on Jun 7th, 2005, 4:42pm Quote:
Yep Joe, I smoked, snorted and popped my way through the 60's and 70's. Mid 70's started a family so shyed away from the illegal stuff and turned to booze instead. Blossomed into a full blown alcoholic. Now been sober for 14+ years. Married to the same wonderful lady for 29 years. #1 daughter just graduated from San Diego State and #2 graduates from Univ. of Calif., San Diego next year. Glad to hear you got the bastard whooped. Hope it lasts a long, long time. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by pam s on Jun 7th, 2005, 5:22pm BobP wrote: "I think flaunting your pain free status to other clusterheads who are still suffering makes you a total a*s*s*h*o*l*e! " That might be true if someone had access to a treatment that others did not. As it is, this is a case of "One beggar telling another where to find bread,", not "Let them eat cake". Every time someone finds something that works for them, it gives (most of) us hope that something will work for us. |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by jokrs2 on Jun 7th, 2005, 5:30pm Bob P congrats on the sobriety. That is excellent! I hear ya. Our pasts are very similar except for the alcohol, but my mother in law is big in AA and just celebrated her 32nd AA birthday. I'm certainly not upset with you, but I gotta tell you that I am sure enjoying the PF time. I can still get a muscle stress migraine but I can sure tell the difference between that and CH. I would have used mushrooms but didn't want to risk being jailed and that is why I opted to try the LSA. After 35 years of CH I was willing to try anything. Hope you have an awesome day. Blessing's Joe |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Pinkfloyd on Jun 7th, 2005, 5:38pm on 06/07/05 at 13:45:43, Bob P wrote:
Hey, I've seen Braveheart and sometimes it sucks to be a noble lord. ;;D Bobw |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Jonny on Jun 7th, 2005, 5:46pm on 06/07/05 at 17:38:47, Pinkfloyd wrote:
No it dont ;;D ..................Your King Jonny :P |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Candycane on Jun 7th, 2005, 10:27pm Still Painfree or maybe remission????? ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D Yes I am kinda flaunting, sorry ;;D can't help it sometimes |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by jokrs2 on Jun 8th, 2005, 1:56am Good for you Candycane! ;;D Blessings, Joe (Out of cycle over 2 months now) |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Chillrmn1 on Jun 8th, 2005, 5:01am Hey Candycane, That's absolutely great news, so happy you're finding success with this treatment and may it continue! And not all, if any, feel you're flaunting. People report what treatment they've tried and the results produced. This lets others know what may be promising options for them. LSA broke my cycle of 8 1/2 months and had people not reported their success and how it was accomplished, I feel I would still be in desperate misery. So I thank all and encourage all to keep reporting so others may also become pain free. Again Candycane, Joe, Langa, and others, glad you're able to enjoy pain free life again and keep it going! Bob |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Langa on Jun 8th, 2005, 8:19am Wonderful news Candycane... :D Joe, you and I are painfree almost the same amount of time...2 months for me tomorrow ;;D This month, on the 15th, had my cycle not broken, I would've been diagnosed Chronic...Now I can say I had a very looooooong cycle. Bob, how long now? 3 weeks? :D Thanks Bobw for sticking it out with me those long and weary weeks. Wishing all my friends and family here continued PFDAN's. Langa |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by javi_spain on Jun 8th, 2005, 5:08pm Quote:
Hey Jimm, that's simple enough Your english was greek for me ;;D Thanks for it, and good luck with your treatment. Javi |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Chillrmn1 on Jun 8th, 2005, 7:23pm Hey Stomper, Haven't heard from you for awhile, let us know how you're doing. Still PF? Would like to know. Bob |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by stomper on Jun 9th, 2005, 9:04pm hey now: well it was ok there for awhile, but i stopped the seeds as they were bothering the kidneys ( do to mybe not enough water) but i was drinking a gallon a day ! it did go good for a couple of days, but i then started getting slammed, i got discouraged and said "why bother". but i am now off that dredded "dep". still weening of the "verap". so i think i will dose this weekend see how it goes. i did try the 1/2 a seed a day for 3 days but my belly and my kidneys started to be really bothersom. so its been a few days off the seeds now , belly good , kideys just fine (not hurting) so im gonna try the once every 5 days to a week, and see how that goes. but lately it has been really hot here in chi-town, witch causes bad attacks in this ol skull. so i have been getting slammed lately. man i am new to this typing stuff , and telling the way i feel is sometimes hard for me. thanks for the support from all of you ! as i said i will try again. getting off the meds is probably not helping. i do want to be med free! as you can tell bye the way i talk the itrex jecktions have really done a number with the ol noggin, man i forget all the time, lose my train of thought,and im not on anything else that might do this except the trex. 9 yrs cronic only the injections that keep the beast at bay, well thats just enough of that! doctors dont know shit! and thats all i have had to work with. man its freackin nuts that these so called doctors dont know didly! and i find out its people like you guys and gals, that seem to know better than these money hungry, insurance rapeing idiots. im ready to send out the troops, >:( but it realy is you all that have already done that. i cant thank you all enough! :D i hope this tells the situation, and i WILL keep you all posted. thanks again for asking :P jimm |
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Title: Re: Chronic pain is gone with LSA Post by Chillrmn1 on Jun 9th, 2005, 9:42pm Hi Stomper, Thanks for checking in, sorry to hear you're gettin slammed! Your typing's fine and I can relate on describing how one feels, difficult for me to describe also. The same thing happened with my memory while also on trex, up to eight injections per day before getting off the conventionals. Would start from my kitchen to the bedroom, then forget what I went to the bedroom for, and this is a short distance. The memory will come back after getting off the trex if you can. Hopefully someone will be by soon to address the bothersome kidneys. Thinkin bout ya and hopin ya get some relief soon. WYPFDANs, Bob |
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