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(Message started by: Kim Y. on Apr 1^st, 2005, 12:40pm)

Title: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by Kim Y. on Apr 1^st, 2005, 12:40pm

Been using a concentrator at 10L NRB mask? Just got new orders for O2 tank with regulator up to 15LPM. My husband went to pick it up and they are telling him that a tank only last 15 min.

What is best tank or concentrator. Is this a scam for more money???

Title: Re: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by Mr. Happy on Apr 1^st, 2005, 12:55pm

Concentrators and tanks are two different animals. Here's a list of O2 tank sizes/capacities.

http://mushys.com/pix/O2Tanks.jpg

Divide the liters/tank by 15, and you'll know how long each tank will last. This is one instance where size really DOES matter.
RJ

Title: Re: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by Kim Y. on Apr 1^st, 2005, 12:59pm

Thankyou so much. Now I can go in knowing what I am talking about. No wool over these eyes...

Title: Re: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by E-Double on Apr 1^st, 2005, 1:00pm

http://www.maplefallswebdesign.com/misc/oxygen/oxygen.htm

I have several D tanks for traveling that I keep in my car as well as E tanks around my home.....

Size does matter yet certain conveniences can be taken into consideration......For me who is always on the road, I prefer having several smaller ones....

It also will depend on your insurance and your supplier.....My O2 supplier gives me anything I ask for.

Good luck!

Title: Re: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by Kim Y. on Apr 1^st, 2005, 2:05pm

Well I went to talk with them and they told me for one they don't feel comfortable with a flow that high in the home care setting and for two they don't have a regulator that goes that high. They also told me that 10L is the biggest concentrator they carry. Oh well will just have to make due.

Title: Re: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by Bob P on Apr 1^st, 2005, 2:10pm

You guys must really hypreventilate!!!

I'm 6'4", 240 lbs. and I run my regulator at 7 lpm. It works just fine. I keep 4 E tanks around (3 at home, 1 at office). My E tanks last about 80 minutes each.

Title: Re: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by Mr. Happy on Apr 1^st, 2005, 2:13pm

Don't confuse concentrator's with regulators. Totally different animals.
If these folks can't provide what you want, talk to another medical supply O2 dealer (unless this is the only game in town.)
Get the biggest tank you can for your home setting.
If you can't get a 15+ lpm regulators from them, give me a yell.

We aim to please.
RJ

Title: Re: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by Kim Y. on Apr 1^st, 2005, 2:15pm

10L as an abortive hasn't worked after 15 min and then 5 min later I got hit really bad. It helps with bad shadows. When I am in pain I can't stand that mask over my mouth I really feel like I can't breath. Once my husband held it in place while he held my hands and talked me through it.

Maybe I just due it wrong I am new at this...

Title: Re: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by Kim Y. on Apr 1^st, 2005, 2:18pm

Thanks Mr. Happy I'll keep you posted.

Forgive me all if I seemed impatient with a post here and in the general I just need answers fast so I could go pick it up but I rushed for nothing [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by BikerBob on Apr 1^st, 2005, 2:26pm

Tanks are better than concentrators because tanks deliver 100% pure O2, concentrators don't.

The two most common O2 tanks are E tanks and H tanks.

E tanks are 4' high 7" diameter and hold 682 litres. At 10 lpm an E tank will last 53 minutes. They are portable on a small handtruck with wheels. If you're having E tanks delivered get about 4 at a time.

H tanks are 5' high 9" diameter and hold 6770 litres. At 10 lpm an H tank will last 10 hours. They weigh about 150 lbs and are delivered on a hand truck with wheels.

From my O2 supplier, E tanks cost $13 to refill and H tanks only cost $26 to refill even though they hold 10 times as much.

If you just want it for home use and don't need to carry it around, it's much better to get an H tank.

See:
http://www.monroecc.edu/depts/pstc/backup/paraoxca.htm

PF wishes,
Bob

Title: Re: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by BlueMeanie on Apr 1^st, 2005, 2:30pm

on 04/01/05 at 14:05:20, Kim Y. wrote:

they told me for one they don't feel comfortable with a flow that high in the home care setting and for two they don't have a regulator that goes that high.

Kim,

That doesn't make since. Do you have a script for your 02 ? On the script it should specifically state that you need a 12-15 flow regulator. Whoever "they" are shouldn't matter. If you have a script, they should supply you with what the doctor ordered. I can't believe they don't have a 12-15 flow regulator. You may want to try another supply company. In the past I tried less than the (CH.com) recommended flow and it didn't do squat. More is better.... IMHO

What's with this concentrator you talk about ? You need a tank, nrb mask, tubing and a regulator.

Hope you get what you need and it helps.

Title: Re: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by BikerBob on Apr 1^st, 2005, 2:33pm

on 04/01/05 at 14:15:04, Kim Y. wrote:

Are you using a concentrator or tank? If it's a concentrator the 10 lpm might not be working in 15 minutes because the 10 lpm is not pure O2.

Don't use the strap on the non-rebreather mask. Hold it against your face when you inhale and take it away from your face when you exhale.

Bob

Title: Re: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by Kim Y. on Apr 1^st, 2005, 11:38pm

Yes I use a concentrator at 10L unfortunatly reguardless of this new script about needing a tank with 12-15L NRB mask per my doctor who is very open. They told me sorry no can do. Will try another supplier.

Title: Re: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by Gator on Apr 2^nd, 2005, 12:46am

on 04/01/05 at 14:10:13, Bob P wrote:

Bob, sometimes I have a hard time slowing down for a 15lpm regulator. I tend to breathe deeper as well as faster and I have a large lung capacity. At times, that little bag on the mask just doesn't fill fast enough and doesn't hold enough oxygen for me to catch my breath. Sometimes the damn thing just frustrates the hell out of me and go straight for the trex. Once I get calmed down and into a rhythm and the 15lpm starts to work, I can turn it down to 12lpm, but rarely as low as 10lpm. For me, at 15lpm, an E tank works for about 2 - 3 attacks depending on how fast it works on the individual attacks. I also keep 4 tanks.

A non-rebreather mask will not work well, if at all below 10lpm. The respiratory therapist at the medical supply place I use would not even give me an NRB mask without a script that specifically stated a flow rate of 10 - 15lpm.

As far as higher flow rates not being necessary, (I know you didn't say that - some doctors have, though) as with everything else, we are all different. There has been at least one report done (as well as personal experience from people here) that shows that higher flow rates can be effective for people for whom the standard 7lpm doesn't work.

"High Oxygen Flow Rates for Cluster Headache"
by Todd D. Rozen, M.D., Neurologist

http://www.chhelp.org/mhni.html

Quote:

Several important cases recently reported in the medical literature, found this therapy to be quite effective in patients who previously did not respond to lower dose oxygen inhalation.

Title: Re: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by Renee on Apr 2^nd, 2005, 5:17am

Kim,

Your supplier may not have a 10 - 15 lpm regulator but they should be able to order one very quickly.

My supplier ordered one and some nrb masks and had them the following day.

Also, I found that packing the tubing in ice or keeping the o2 tank in a cold garage helped me also.

good luck,
Renee

Title: Re: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by godsjoy777 on Apr 2^nd, 2005, 10:03am

Hey Bob......I would truely LOVE to get the BIGGIE size of tank at my house.....but my husband asked my supplier about it last time and they said the problem with that was that they had to come to the house to refill the big tank....H tank.....and they weren't set up for that.....any great ideas for here in Dallas, TX? In the meantime I have one bought tank and 2 rented ones( all E tanks) that I keep having my husband take to get refilled on his lunch hour....He is one precious husband! I would love to find a way to ease this load though.....

Blessings,
Karenl

Title: Re: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by Kim Y. on Apr 2^nd, 2005, 10:46am

[quote author=Renee link=board=meds;num=1112377200;start=0#14 date=04/02/05 at 05:17:27]Kim,

"Your supplier may not have a 10 - 15 lpm regulator but they should be able to order one very quickly."

Well Renee what they told me is they could order a regulator but didn't feel comfortable with number of liters used in the household and I would only get 10 minutes out of their tanks.

I even told them that the only reason I asked for this is because most of you all that have CH have gotten more relief on a tank and at that liter flow. They wouldn't listen...

Title: Re: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by BikerBob on Apr 2^nd, 2005, 12:49pm

Kim,

If your supplier said you would only get 10 minutes out of their tanks you need a different supplier. I wonder how much they're charging you for that concentrator. I found my O2 supplier in the Yellow Pages under oxygen.

PF wishes,
Bob

Title: Re: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by BikerBob on Apr 2^nd, 2005, 1:02pm

Karen,

I guess it all depends on how the O2 supplier operates. I don't know about suppliers in Dallas. Here in San Francisco I found one that delivered an H tank, 15 lpm reg and non-rebreather mask the next day. They rented me the H tank and 15 lpm reg for $64/month, sold me the NRB mask and tubing for $9, and charged $25 for delivery. When I needed H tank refills I called them and they delivered a full H tank and picked up the empty one the next day. They charged me $26 for the H tank refill (replacement) and $25 delivery charge. When my cycle was over they picked up the H tank and reg and stopped charging the $64/mo rent.

PF wishes,
Bob

Title: Re: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by Kim Y. on Apr 2^nd, 2005, 5:30pm

Concentrator rents for $400 some a month to my insurance company. I know I wouldn't even have that if it weren't for my insurance.

Getting a new supplier on Monday

You know this really sucks suffering and having to fight the battle with the suppliers as well. :'(

Title: Re: O2 sight not working have a question
Post by don on Apr 2^nd, 2005, 7:15pm

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