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(Message started by: iwannabeer on Mar 29^th, 2005, 5:36am)

Title: CAN ANYONE HELP ON FUNGUS DOSAGES?
Post by iwannabeer on Mar 29^th, 2005, 5:36am

Does anyone have some sort of reference chart or something that gives approximate comparisons between fresh and dry dosages, and what amount causes what? IE...

1g fresh = .5g dry

Maintenance dose= xg
Abortive dose = xg

1-2g dry= slight buzz [smiley=huh.gif]
2-4g dry= fellings of being drunk ::)
4-8g dry= hallucinations :o
10-12g dry= can see future...lol ;;D

I don't need exact science, just somewhere to start, and some idea of what to expect.

Title: Re: CAN ANYONE HELP ON FUNGUS DOSAGES?
Post by don on Mar 29^th, 2005, 6:59am

http://www.clusterbusters.com/

Title: Re: CAN ANYONE HELP ON FUNGUS DOSAGES?
Post by tommyD on Mar 29^th, 2005, 7:08am

Hi iwannabeer -

The general rule of thumb is ten to one fresh to dried - 10 grams of fresh shrooms is equivalent to 1 gram of thoroughly dried shrooms. Mushrooms, like most living things, are mostly water.

As for dosing, it depends on which species of shroom, among other things. For example, the azurencens species has about twice as much psilocybin by weight as the popular cubensis.

With the "standard" dosing method (dosing once a week), you would take about half a "recreational" dose: just enough to give you the giggles, see colors as a little more intense, maybe the treeline or the carpet "breathes" a little - we would call this a "trip level one." Your mileage may vary, but one to 2 grams of dried cubensis should do it. A little more than that won't hurt, and some feel they need a little stronger dose - trip level two - for best medicinal effect.

More than that does not seem to improve results, and some have reported that "entheogenic" doses - enough to "see God" (trip level four and five) - may be counter productive.

One gram dried cubensis or less should be enough for a maintenance dose. With the very-small dose "sipping" or "SPUT" method, a quarter-gram dried cubensis will do. You would notice only very slight psychoactive effects, or none at all.

Keep in mind there are many variables, and this is all still experimental. Good luck and keep us posted.

-tommyD

Title: Re: CAN ANYONE HELP ON FUNGUS DOSAGES?
Post by iwannabeer on Mar 30^th, 2005, 7:04pm

thanks Tommy.
it is Stropharia-golden mexican. 10 to 1 fresh seems like a lot, but thats the same info I got from clusterbusters links. Thanks again for the help.

Title: Re: CAN ANYONE HELP ON FUNGUS DOSAGES?
Post by Chillrmn1 on Mar 31^st, 2005, 5:34am

The 10 grams fresh equals 1 gram dry is almost right on the money. A foaf tested this calculation by measuring a certain amount fresh just picked, then dried by use of a fan and further dried with dessicant for 48 hours until "cracker dry" . The result was within a couple tenths of a gram of the 10:1 rule. Pretty much verifies the fruit when fresh is very close to 90% water.

Title: Re: CAN ANYONE HELP ON FUNGUS DOSAGES?
Post by vig on Mar 31^st, 2005, 8:59am

The conversion may be standard but your mileage may vary as far as dosage size goes. You need to experiment with what works.

Start small, even if you have a gram, take a quarter, wait a half hour, see how you're doing, take a little more... but start slow... I know of one candidate who took the whole pile and then wondered why she was talking to God...

Title: Re: CAN ANYONE HELP ON FUNGUS DOSAGES?
Post by miapet on Mar 31^st, 2005, 9:20am

The 10:1 ratio is standard . . .and D is a total light weight . . . but 1.75g dried is okay for him . . .of course, it does depend on the 'brand'. . .1/4 g may be enough to block the receptors, which would make any more taken just a wash out . . .so if you start with the 1/4g, you may want to wait for the next dose . . .

*positive light and energy*
miapet

Title: Re: CAN ANYONE HELP ON FUNGUS DOSAGES?
Post by rextangle on Mar 31^st, 2005, 4:01pm

Start with small doses first and see how it goes after a week... 1.5 - 2.0g of dried to begin... or try the sipping method.

LSA works very well for me (Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds). Thanks to Pink Floyd for the tip.

Good luck to you,
Rex

Title: Re: CAN ANYONE HELP ON FUNGUS DOSAGES?
Post by Flash on Apr 3^rd, 2005, 1:07pm

Maintenance doses can be smaller than cycle breaking doses. For a maintenance dose usually about 0.5gEDC (equivalent to dried cubensis) will be enough. For a cycle breaker then 1-2gEDC. Always start with the smaller doses and work your way up!

Although fresh weight is 10x dried weight the fresh mushrooms are slightly more potent, so I would suggest 8x to compensate and be on the safe side.

For sipping anything from 1/8thg up to 1/4g 2-3x per day.

The optimum dosing interval appears to be once every 7 days. That's SEVEN days. For instance if I dose with 1gEDC at peak cycle then I get hit MUCH WORSE for anything up to 5 days after the dose then on day 6 I get a break and by day 7 my head feels like normal.

Best time to dose is between episodes. Worst time to dose is at peak cycle. At peak cycle the this treatment may temporarily make things significantly worse for a few days and it takes a lot of willpower to resist trex etc which would really screw things up.

For sipping you should try sipping for a week then take 7 days off. At the end of the 7 days off you can take stock of where you are.

REALLY IMPORTANT NOTE: The week off all meds after dosing is crucial. Sometimes it's tough. To avoid this either dose between episodes or at the start of a cycle. Unfortunately chronics do not have this option but the rewards are worth striving for.

OTHER REALLY IMPORTANT NOTE: DETOX. There's no getting away from it - avoid all other medications prior to, during, and after dosing. This includes aspirin, paracetomal, iboprufen, in addition to predisone, trex, lithium etc. Most people find that their condition acutally improves a lot after 5 days of detoxing. There'sno doubt in miy mind that most durgs make the headaches much worse.

Title: Re: CAN ANYONE HELP ON FUNGUS DOSAGES?
Post by ccbiggsoo7 on Apr 12^th, 2005, 6:46pm

No offense but I think Vig's info is wrong. According to clusterbusters you cant take a dose wait a half hour and then dose again. IT will do absolutely nothing but waste those precious fungi.Might wanna recheck that info.

Title: Re: CAN ANYONE HELP ON FUNGUS DOSAGES?
Post by Pinkfloyd on Apr 13^th, 2005, 12:24am

on 04/12/05 at 18:46:47, ccbiggsoo7 wrote:

Well...yes and no.
It can change depending upon several things. Ecah person is a bit different and how you injest it will make a difference. Also if its on an empty stomach among other factors.
If you chew them and swallow, and then chew/swallow 30 minutes later....most of the 2nd helping will probably be wasted. If you do tea instead, it may change. If you chew and keep it under your tongue for 10 minutes the first time.....and swallow it quickly the 2nd....same thing. Reverse that...eat the first quickly, and chew and keep in your mouth secondly, you'll probably get a full dose from both.
Some people have made their own routine and it works for them. Some people will feel the full effects with 30 minutes...others in 90 minutes.

We suggest....one dose, as stated. Its much safer than possibly adding to a dose that hasn't yet fully been absorbed and end up with too much. Or you end up wasting it as you said.

Absorption rates vary too much and depend on too many factors to mess around. Especially if you're not experienced enough to know how things are going.

Safety first
Bobw

Title: Re: CAN ANYONE HELP ON FUNGUS DOSAGES?
Post by samsara on Apr 13^th, 2005, 1:33am

All personal experience (but a lot of it) speaking (all dried)...

1/3 g crushed, mixed in a tablespoon of peanut butter (don't laff till you try it... no flavor and hits fast) for daytime prevent.

a little more... .5 to .75 for abort, tho I am sure some do more.

naughty me, I like 1.5 to 2 for prevent, or at least that is the excuse I use. ;)

If you are trying a larger dose, please keep in mind these things are much stronger during daylight hours. I would recommend daylight doses be half that of nighttime doses until you know yourself better. Don't know why it works that way, but I guess there may be a reason why the Mazatec indians would say if you did them during the day, you would go mad. (don't let that scare ya tho... it's all good, just start slow and be safe!)

Good luck! ;;D

Edited to say: 1/3 g prevent is my daytime dose. Have gone to .75 during the day and would compare that to a night-time dose of 1.5 to 2g. Wouldn't want a first timer to pop 1.5 at 11am.... :o

Title: Re: CAN ANYONE HELP ON FUNGUS DOSAGES?
Post by BikerBob on Apr 13^th, 2005, 11:10pm

samsara wrote:

"1/3 g crushed, mixed in a tablespoon of peanut butter (don't laff till you try it... no flavor and hits fast) for daytime prevent. a little more... .5 to .75 for abort, tho I am sure some do more. naughty me, I like 1.5 to 2 for prevent, or at least that is the excuse I use."

Clusterbuster's FAQ says:

"Peanut butter has two downsides.
The first is that it "encapsulates" the shroom particles, making it difficult for the psilocybin to be released quickly. The second is that the oil in the peanut butter tends to line the stomach and make the absorption of what little psilocybin is eventually freed from the glutinous blob less efficient still. It's a double whammy. It's similar to the old trick used by folks who indulge in drinking contests: glom down some butter or olive oil just before your chugging contest to delay the absorption of alcohol into your system."

Bob

Title: Re: CAN ANYONE HELP ON FUNGUS DOSAGES?
Post by BikerBob on Apr 14^th, 2005, 12:43am

Here's a scale you can buy on-line mail-order for less than $20. It measures up to 11 g and is accurate to +/- 0.01 g and has a cup diameter of 1.6"

http://saveonscales.com/lucky.html

Bob

Title: Re: CAN ANYONE HELP ON FUNGUS DOSAGES?
Post by samsara on Apr 14^th, 2005, 11:08am

I'll have to go take a look at that info... I must say I am quite shocked!! I spent about two years playing with dried but whole, tea, capsules... all sorts of different ways to minimize the taste and maximize the effect.

About a year ago a friend tried PB and urged me to do the same.. and I was amazed at not only how it got rid of the ill tasting particles left in your mouth but also how fast and hard it hit! Key here tho, like any technique, is an empty stomach.

I dont know if the folks who gathered that info actually tried it for themselves or just thought it made sense, (no offense intended, just trying to figure it out) but myself and half a dozen others would strongly beg to differ. I will never do it any other way!! :)

Who runs clusterbusters? Is it pink floyd? Gotta investigate this further.

If you try alt therapy, I would urge you to check PB out for yourself as well sometime. I think you will be pleasantly suprised. ;)

Title: Re: CAN ANYONE HELP ON FUNGUS DOSAGES?
Post by LeeS on Apr 14^th, 2005, 1:04pm

on 04/13/05 at 01:33:59, samsara wrote:

If you are trying a larger dose, please keep in mind these things are much stronger during daylight hours. I would recommend daylight doses be half that of nighttime doses until you know yourself better.

Is this true? Only ever dosed once during the day and I must admit it the side-effects were stronger than I anticipated.

I've never tried the PB method samsara; I think I'm one of the few busters who actually don't mind the taste of pinky's KA tea recipe.

-Lee

Title: Re: CAN ANYONE HELP ON FUNGUS DOSAGES?
Post by vig on Apr 14^th, 2005, 1:13pm

on 04/13/05 at 01:33:59, samsara wrote:

All personal experience (but a lot of it) ;)

If you are trying a larger dose, please keep in mind these things are much stronger during daylight hours. I would recommend daylight doses be half that of nighttime doses until you know yourself better. Don't know why it works that way, but I guess there may be a reason why the Mazatec indians would say if you did them during the day, you would go mad. (don't let that scare ya tho... it's all good, just start slow and be safe!)

I've never heard that....
must be different with different people...
For ME, it has more to do with empty stomach than time of day.....
interesting though

Title: Re: CAN ANYONE HELP ON FUNGUS DOSAGES?
Post by samsara on Apr 14^th, 2005, 5:45pm

Quote:

must be different with different people...

Could be too that different strains are different. There are so many types, so many people, so many circumstances... I guess the possibilites are endless. All I know is the first year was nighttime use only, the first time I did a daytime I took a "normal" amount and it floored me. I have since then adjusted my daytime doseage.

I wonder if it has to do with the fact that daytime has that big ball of burning fire in the sky illuminating everything? 8)

Hey, here is a thought...

Vig, you note no difference between day and night. Do you keep your surroundings well lit for your night therapies?

I keep things very dim at night. Perhaps daytime hits me so much harder because there is so much more visual stimulus for me, but it wouldn't make a difference to a person who has well lit surroundings at night....

Hmmm.....

Title: Re: CAN ANYONE HELP ON FUNGUS DOSAGES?
Post by Chillrmn1 on Apr 14^th, 2005, 6:24pm

Gotta agree with LeeS - The Pink Ones Kickass tea recipe is the best and the caffiene from the coffee gets that fine pain relieving medicine into my blood stream in as little as ten minutes, provided no food two hours prior. It gets five stars from me!