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(Message started by: lisaa on Sep 14^th, 2004, 7:41am)

Title: triptans side effects
Post by lisaa on Sep 14^th, 2004, 7:41am

All medicaments that work as Vasoconstrictors are a dangerous drugs. In some patients even in small quantity they are dangerous,,,,Why??/
Because in migraine headache stage, there are a vasodilatation in arteries extra cranial, which cause the headache,,,,,they think that vasodilatation occur also intracranial arteries, and they give you such drugs to make your arteries much smaller and then less blood go in this arteries.
The true is in the brain arteries occur vasoconstriction not vasodilatation, and this vasoconstriction become more dangerous only when you take a vasoconstrictions drugs such ergotamine, triptan family.
What prove that is the MRI imagine of brain lesion is a small infarcts.

When we talk about side effects, which mean it occur rarely.

patients can see the chemical structure of their medicaments, if it has in his components any word of triptan that mean this is a very dangerous medicaments for all kinds of migraine, cluster headaches, not only BAM.
They can be deferent's as rizatriptan, naratriptan, zolmitriptan and others,,,
Vasoconstaction occur in Aura stage in extra cranial and intra cranial arteries, but vasodilatation (pain stage) occur only in arteries extra cranial, while vasoconstriction continue in all the time of migraine attack in arteries intra cranial (meddle meningeal artery, basilar artery and others).
Vasodilatation occurs only in extra cranial arteries. The dangerous thing that they told you take these drugs in the beginning of the migraine attack. This thing make the vasoconstriction be bigger, so the ischemia occur in the small arteries cause small infarcts in brain, heart, and the dangerous effects for pregnant women's (matrix lesions).
I happy to answer any patients or doctor, but people that do a promotion for this dangerous drugs, please thing first, and read the instruction inside the drugs box it told you the dangerous of these vasoconstriction drugs.
Vasoconstruction of intra cranial arteries (involve in migraine attack) cause less blood in the brain tissue, this make the tissue work bad, so they give the accompanied symptoms such in case of basilar artery (speech difficult, ataxia, etc), in arteries located in visual area of the brain, visual symptoms, or in arteries located in sensitive area, sensitive symptoms, or in locomotors area locomotors symptoms,,,,,etc.
They can't find until now the cure for migraine because they thing wrong that vasodilatation occur also inside the brain.
All brain lesions in migraine patients caused by ergotamine, triptans family.

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by Kevin_M on Sep 14^th, 2004, 8:12am

Imitrex can stop a cluster headache. Some people do not take Imitrex though, but it has been very safe for many people, as far as medications for clusters go. It stops a cluster headache and is relatively safe, it is one of the most useful and appreciated medications on the planet for clusters. When a cluster hits, I have no second thoughts, haven't for many years, about using Imitrex. Side effects have been very minimal with long term use.

Kevin M

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by unsolved1 on Sep 14^th, 2004, 8:31am

uhhh, what Kevin said.

I use it when I need it and never give it a second thought (unless i've already done 10 injections of Imitrex in one day).

You'd have to pry the Trex out of my cold dead hand bacause I'll never willingly give it up. It's my only relief from cluster hell !

Unsolved

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by Tom K on Sep 14^th, 2004, 12:43pm

I, too am an Imitrex user. Actually a Trex Monster. Nothing made me happier the other day when looking through the linen closet and coming across a Stat pack that I forgot about...like finding gold! I've been using it for years and have had no ill effects, other than using it on a sinus headache by mistake. Will never do that again! When I had my last MRI, I was having a CH and couldn't get meds in quick enough. You should have seen the vein that came through on the MRI, looked like a worm or something! Freaked the hell out of me, especially when the Tech circled it in red and put a question mark next to it. Couldn't get to the neuro the next day fast enough to see what the hell was going on!

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by FZfan on Sep 14^th, 2004, 12:58pm

Other than the well known fact that there can be some danger to using triptans, was there some other point to this post that I missed?

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by pubgirl on Sep 14^th, 2004, 5:01pm

on 09/14/04 at 07:41:20, lisaa wrote:

They can't find until now the cure for migraine

There's a cure for migraine we've missed?

Wendy

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by lisaa on Sep 15^th, 2004, 7:06am

Search the internet well and you can find it.

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by clarence on Sep 15^th, 2004, 7:51am

on 09/15/04 at 07:06:37, lisaa wrote:

Search the internet well and you can find it.

Why can't you just tell us...

Casey

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by FZfan on Sep 15^th, 2004, 1:08pm

Search the internet well and you can find anything...

Doesn't mean it's true, legal, or even exists.

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by floridian on Sep 15^th, 2004, 2:23pm

on 09/15/04 at 07:06:37, lisaa wrote:

Search the internet well and you can find it.

OK ... End of discussion as far as I am concerned. Thanks, for nothing. [smiley=shore.gif]

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by lisaa on Sep 15^th, 2004, 4:10pm

First;
Can some one explaine what is the different betweem migraine and CH, not by symptoms, because as you know migraine has too many differents symptoms, but the differents in what happen in both disease.
Thank You All

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by E-Double on Sep 15^th, 2004, 4:14pm

on 09/15/04 at 16:10:46, lisaa wrote:

Please clarify.... What specifically are you asking?

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by thomas on Sep 15^th, 2004, 6:22pm

on 09/15/04 at 16:10:46, lisaa wrote:

If you don't know, why are you here?

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by thomas on Sep 15^th, 2004, 6:23pm

on 09/15/04 at 16:14:53, E-Double wrote:

Please clarify.... What specifically are you asking?

.........asking for your credit card number. ::)

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by jmorgan52 on Sep 16^th, 2004, 9:24am

So lisaa - you actually know f--k all about CH!

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by Biker on Sep 16^th, 2004, 11:55am

Yepper, Imitrex is not good for the body. CH is not good for the feeling. Verapamil aint good either. Dayumm-------nothing is good. With the pains I get in my head, the shotgun in my mouth looks pretty good.
I have weighed the options more times than I can count. I have had teeth extracted. Nothing helps when in mid cycle. I give thanks to those "bad drugs" to get me over the pain behind my eye.
If anyone can come up with a cure for CH, I would almost give the farm away for the answer. But I choose to use the pain stopping "bad drugs" till that happens.
The discovery of welders oxygen (although not filtered) has been a life saver. The will to live is a blessing. I dont care how bad those "bad drugs" are gonna effect my older years, Im gonna use them if they are avaible.
Life is a terminal disease. I choose to live it as pain free as possible. If you have a cure for CH, please tell me. Otherwise, please expain in non-medical terms (so I can try and understand) if the shotgun will be more benificial to me than the alternatives you have not mentioned.
Please do not tell me what is bad for my life. Tell me what is good. Give me alternatives that I can try. Your post is pretty good, and worth reading, but it does not give any alternatives. Besides, I cant understand most of that medical jargon anyway.

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by lisaa on Sep 16^th, 2004, 2:08pm

Biker;
Tell me what about pressure points 1, 2, 3. for CH.
www.migrainesurgery.8m.net
I know that many in this site will be angry when they will read this.....
Lisaa is Ali Sultaneh
All bad words are return to the speaker.

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by thomas on Sep 16^th, 2004, 2:12pm

on 09/16/04 at 14:08:05, lisaa wrote:

Ok, this is the last time I am going to post on this board, so listen up. This guy is a quack, we all know who he is. If you are his schill, you can quietly go up and hit the "log out button" and never come back.

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by vig on Sep 16^th, 2004, 2:28pm

I presume the reason he made up a new name was because he already knows what would happen.

"All bad words are return to the speaker."
Are you joking? Are you 8 years old?

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by don on Sep 16^th, 2004, 4:57pm

Quote:

All bad words are return to the speaker

Great! I can save them up for your next appearance!

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by don on Sep 16^th, 2004, 5:19pm

http://www.migrainesurgery.8m.net/images/03846[1][1].jpg

Its all wight here. Wight here in da Got-Dam -Dwawing I made. Tink I dwew dis for nuttin?

Did I say Got-Dam ? Sowwy Awwah.

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by TreenaS92770 on Sep 17^th, 2004, 8:18am

on 09/15/04 at 07:06:37, lisaa wrote:

Search the internet well and you can find it.

I think Lisaa has a degree in B.S.! Another one trying to lead us into bad information. I feel that if they can't share it on message board they do not need to post.....Oh also there isn't a cure for migraines or clusters! [smiley=huh.gif]

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by lisaa on Sep 18^th, 2004, 1:56pm

You can believe Dr Diamond if you wish.
http://www.hunterdonhealthcare.org/WebMD/Conditions/Migraine_Headaches/Surgery_Treat_Migraines.asp

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by pubgirl on Sep 18^th, 2004, 2:01pm

Now that is very funny indeed

Quoted from the link Ali posted himself:

"The technique was presented at a meeting of the American Association of Neurological Surgeons in San Diego last year, but several peer-reviewed medical journals have refused to publish Sultaneh's findings. Syria's medical establishment has also criticized his work, and Sultaneh says he now performs the operation on his own, with no outside backing.

But migraine expert Seymour Diamond, MD, says Sultaneh's surgery is probably no more effective than a host of other surgical approaches that have been tried over the years. He adds that the neurosurgeon has provided no follow-up on the patients who have had the surgery, so it is not clear how safe and effective it is. Diamond is director of the Diamond Headache Clinic in Chicago.

"We have learned in recent years that migraines occur in the deep blood vessels that surround the brain and within the brain, not on the superficial scalp arteries that [Sultaneh] is talking about," Diamond says. "This dubious surgical approach just doesn't match what we know happens with these headaches."

He says any benefit from the surgery, and from the neurosurgeon's pressure point self-treatment technique, can likely be chalked up to a placebo effect.

"I have been around for a long time, and every so often a neurosurgeon will come along with a fantastic cure," he says. "But there is no surgical cure for migraines."

-----------------------------------------------------

Thanks Ali for providing the evidence against you, saves us the effort. LMAO [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Wendy

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by lisaa on Sep 18^th, 2004, 2:13pm

Because he thinks that brain arteries participate in headache stage of migraine cluster disease, he and all nurses like him will never find any cure for migraine, cluster diseases.
The results after my surgery is 100% and even (XXX) know that placebo effect can’t be 100%.
Oh, I know well the history of the surgical treatment of migraine, cluster headaches, and no one before me said that only extra cranial arteries give the migraine, cluster headaches.
Also no one determine the places 1 and 3.
Its true, and I know how it’s hard to believe but future will responded you.

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by lisaa on Sep 22^nd, 2004, 3:16pm

Hey guys;
I want to thank the man who dont delete especially this post, I recognize that surprize me.
I aprecieze that and i know that he is care about patients health.
Thank you even if you are Frank Capra, or some one else.
Ofcours you think that Dr Ali post here, no I one of his Doctors.
Every where you can find a lot lower people that are very happy to said bad words,,, the better answer is;
[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by floridian on Sep 22^nd, 2004, 3:44pm

Keep your story straight! Are you Ali who made the great discovery, or are you your sock puppet assistant?

Quote:

No one before me said that only extra cranial arteries give the migraine, cluster headaches.

Quote:

Ofcours you think that Dr Ali post here, no I one of his Doctors.

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by Superpain on Sep 22^nd, 2004, 3:55pm

DJ, please ban this fucking douchebag!

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by lisaa on Sep 23^rd, 2004, 1:31pm

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Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by catlind on Sep 23^rd, 2004, 2:14pm

Isn't that a wonderful professional reaction for a Dr. who wants to be taken seriously to have.... ::)

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by IndianaJohn on Sep 23^rd, 2004, 4:27pm

Why is this dipshit still here?

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by solarboy on Oct 6^th, 2004, 2:59pm

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/migrainesurgery/

::) ::) ::) :-X

Title: Re: triptans side effects
Post by thomas on Oct 6^th, 2004, 3:06pm

on 10/06/04 at 14:59:53, solarboy wrote:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/migrainesurgery/

::) ::) ::) :-X

Only been registered for 5 mins and the first thread you post to is this one and the other one by the quack. Ding ding round ........ whatever number it is up to now.