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(Message started by: cleon on Jul 17^th, 2004, 10:11am)

Title: Bio Tape
Post by cleon on Jul 17^th, 2004, 10:11am

Check this site out - it could be interesting reading. - involves the electrical current in our bodies and the blocking of pain - I'm going to try it for back pain http://www.biotape.com.au/ click into the 'book' and read 'Related Articles' - it mentions CH's.

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by pubgirl on Jul 17^th, 2004, 10:36am

Never seen such a load of crap in my life.
It might 'mention' CH but also claims:

Diseases successfully treated include: adrenal insufficiency, amenorrhoea, arrhythmia, arthritis, asthma, astigmatism, Bells palsy, bone spurs, bursitis, cancer pain, carpal tunnel, chronic fatigue, depression, diabetes, dry mouth, endometriosis, enuresis, eye pain, fibromyalgia, Guillain-Barre syndrome, glaucoma, headaches (migraine, sinus, tension), herniated disks, heartburn, hiatal hernia, hypertension, hypothyroidism, incontinence, infertility, impotence, low sperm count, lupus, menstrual cramps, morning sickness, neuralgia, neuritis, neuromas, neuropathy, paralysis, parkinsonism, post surgical pain and/or loss of function, plantar fascitis, reflex sympathetic dystrophy, rheumatism, sciatica, scoliosis, seizures, shingles, spastic colon, spondylitis, to stop smoking, tachycardia, tendinitis, tinnitus, TMJ, toothache, torn rotor cuff, tremors, trigeminal neuralgia, vertigo, vulvar pain, whiplash, for weight control, etc. Gall bladders have been emptied and programmed to work properly instead of cutting them out, and toes have been straightened, eliminating bunions without surgery.

SNAKE OIL!

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by bluesunshine on Jul 17^th, 2004, 10:38am

The mind can be powerfull sometimes, and it is called the placebo effect. And my "electric tape " that I have in my tool box is also chemically inerte: it won't let pass the electricity.

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by cleon on Jul 17^th, 2004, 10:49am

Youre too quick to knock it - ya didnt read properly.
Bio Tape is not a cure for that dreadfully long list of ailments that you managed to 'find'. It short circuts the pain - it doesnt cure the problem - its to do with Chi and the blocked electrical currents that happen after injury, or during disease. I actually placed the info on the board in case someone would like to read about it and even try it, not for ingorant souls to 'slam' something that they obviously know nothing about!

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by E-Double on Jul 17^th, 2004, 11:43am

on 07/17/04 at 10:49:27, cleon wrote:

EMPIRICALLY VALIDATED EVIDENCE????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is what should be shared from this site.
I used to tie my lucky red bandana around my head during a hit. Maybe I should sell them?
Style and treatment section in GQ

Whatever works for ya as long as your not drinking bleach. But if that is pitched I'm sure 1 or 2 will even try that when desperate. I sniffed amonia...... WHEW!

And for the ignorant comment. That's just flawed!!!
The people here are probobly some of the greatest research minds around regardless of anyone's academic background. It 's beyond impressive.

Good luck to you & thanks for sharing (sure it's meant to help)

E

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by Ueli on Jul 17^th, 2004, 12:45pm

I must agree with pupgirl, it is very hard to find worse bullshit than on this website.

This guy has less knowledge of our body than a 10 year old that reads occasionally the health pages of a weekly magazine. As to his knowledge about electricity, one has to wonder if he is able to switch on the lights.

Here's how the "healing of pain" works, according to this quack:
Assume you hit a stone with your big toe. That hurts. But why? Well every cell is a tiny electrical generator, that exchanges electricity with all neighbors. Hitting the toe disrupts the electrical connections between cells and the chi can no longer flow. (BTW, this guy resolved the millenniums old mystery about the nature of the elusive force of live called chi that others try to redirect with needles.)
By wrapping an electrically conductive tape around the toe, the disrupted connections are restored and the pain subsides.
Inquiring minds want to know: Why can a tape on the skin repair the disrupted connections several inches away (as in the case of gall stones)? Why does a conductor on the skin not short-circuit the electrical chi, how does it restore the connections deep inside?

Here is another tidbit explaining the sense of touch:
"We are aware of the sensation of touch because cells are pushed closer together. This decreases the electrical resistance between cells. Decreasing the electrical resistance increases the flow of electricity to the brain. The increased flow of electricity is what tells us we have been touched."
I just wonder why a neurologist studies for years? May be we should consult an electrician.

This guy is an insult to every 'honest' snake oil dealer.

PFNADs
Ueli [smiley=smokin.gif]

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by mynm156 on Jul 17^th, 2004, 2:59pm

IT DOES LOOK LIKE A ROLL OF ELECRITCAL TAPE!!

MYNM156

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by don on Jul 17^th, 2004, 5:48pm

Quote:

not for ingorant souls to 'slam' something that they obviously know nothing about!

Hey Clingon, I have a roll of duct tape I'll sell you for less than the quack. You can use it to tape your "ignorant" fucking mouth.

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by pubgirl on Jul 17^th, 2004, 8:02pm

cleon

I read perfectly well thank you, and I'm very far from ignorant so there is no need to insult me. I never mentioned the word "cure". The website clearly claims (and I quoted directly from the website) "Diseases successfully treated include".Then comes the huge list.

If you seriously think there is one thing that can "successfully treat" all that huge variety of illnesses, injuries and conditions, then you are the perfect customer for this tape. These are the kind of claims all snake oil salesmen make.

Sadly, I have a deformed hypothalamus buried deep in my brain, and I have no such belief that tape could help me.

I wish you well with it cleon.

I think it would be better to have some evidence that such a treatment actually helps CH sufferers before you start advertising their products on here for them.
Many here are desperate for something that helps their pain, you may also be equally desperate. All the more reason not to post about quack medicine without any knowledge of whether it works or not (which I 100% believe it won't!)

Wendy

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by BobG on Jul 17^th, 2004, 9:55pm

Quote from the website:

Quote:

Orvil E. "Suicide" migraine cluster headaches - "Two or three every month for fifty years." Even the Mayo Clinic couldn't help. One treatment stopped his migraine headaches for more than two years. Treatments are not always this effective, but it works so well that most patients get significant relief with the first treatment.

1st it says "Suicide" migraine cluster headaches - Then it says stopped his migraine headaches

Did Orvil have migraine headaches or cluster headaches?

Ovril is an idiot. The person that wrote the webpage is an idiot.

Does Orvil even exist? What’s his last name? Where does he live? What’s his phone number? Why is he hiding? Why are all those people that have used the product hiding?

This is outright fraud. It is full of lies and innuendo.

I like what Ueli said...............

Quote:

This guy is an insult to every 'honest' snake oil dealer.

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by forgetfulnot on Jul 17^th, 2004, 11:01pm

The fine print.............

DISCLAIMER:
We make no claims on this web page that Biotape™ will stop, heal, or relieve pain. It is offered for sale only for research purposes-to explore the Chinese definition of pain. The only claim we make is that Biotape™ connects the 'broken Chi' (endogenous electrical signals in living tissue) which traditional Chinese medicine defines as the cause of pain.

Huh?

Lee

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by pam s on Jul 17^th, 2004, 11:55pm

on 07/17/04 at 12:45:43, Ueli wrote:

As to his knowledge about electricity, one has to wonder if he is able to switch on the lights.

Ha ha ha ha!

Pam

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by cleon on Jul 20^th, 2004, 7:04am

Pubgirl - I too have a deformed hypothalamus buried deep in my brain - had it for 33 years, also had chronic spinal pain and major surgery. If bio tape can help me with the pain that I still suffer - I will never tell anyone! Thank you soooo much Ueli, once again for your ever ending analysis, which really says 'that nothing works - we are all doomed - and I will slam anyone who even thinks they may have found some pain relief!'

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by cleon on Jul 20^th, 2004, 7:15am

Pubgirl - you wrote - 'I think it would be better to have some evidence that such a treatment actually helps CH sufferers before you start advertising their products on here for them.
Many here are desperate for something that helps their pain, you may also be equally desperate. All the more reason not to post about quack medicine without any knowledge of whether it works or not (which I 100% believe it won't!)
Why dont you take the time to read my opening post on this matter??! I placed it on the board for a matter of interest - I did not say it actually helps CH's - and I am not advertising their products - I actually stated that I was going to try it for my backpain - read the first post. And dont tell me their are many desperate people - no one has suffered more pain than this little black duck - you may like to call it quack medicine too, but that again is your tunnel vision - I am a great believer in alternate medicine. Exactly too, - perhaps it will not work - I did not say that it would (read my first post again!) - for christ sake what is wrong with a few people around here - I posted the info, because I have been on this board for a long time now and i know there are a lot of people with other major pain as well as CH - and a lot of them I correspond with.

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by don on Jul 20^th, 2004, 8:12am

Quote:

If bio tape can help me with the pain that I still suffer - I will never tell anyone

To late but thanks anyway.

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by floridian on Jul 21^st, 2004, 11:30am

After many careful experiments, I have found the optimal way to redistribute chi over the entire skull and brain. Using a substance that is an excellent conductor of electricity, this method enhances the holographic nature of conciousness. I believe it is more effective than biotape by a factor of 3.7 - 8.1.

Details are posted here: http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by LeeS on Jul 21^st, 2004, 1:31pm

Quote:

** HISTORICAL FOOTNOTE: Aluminum was originally named "alumium" by Sir Humphry Davy, who later changed it to "aluminum" (perhaps in an attempt to make it more Latinized since alumen is Latin for alum, the aluminum compound that the name is derived from). The British (and allied English speakers) shortly thereafter changed the name once more, this time to "aluminium" so that it would again match the pattern of most other elements (helium, sodium, etc.), while the North Americans eventually decided to keep the second, slightly more traditional name. I predict that North Americans will adopt the more regular "-ium" spelling by the year 2050, prompting the British to start calling it "alumininium". At that point debate can begin on changing "platinum" to "platinium"

I truly like a researcher with a sense of humour. Nice one Floridian :)

BTW, I've got one of those for swimming ;;D

Cheers

-Lee

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by pubgirl on Jul 21^st, 2004, 8:07pm

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] Floridian and Lee

So come on folks, who is going to be the first one to construct, wear, photograph and post a picture of themselves in this "stylish" headwear. ;;D

You can be guaranteed that the photo will be used over and over again on here, we could even use it as a snake-oil warning. ;;D

Wendy

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by Ueli on Jul 21^st, 2004, 10:06pm

A hairdresser tells a customer of his new method for shortening the hair. Instead of scissors and hair clipper he uses a sort of clamp, heated by harnessed chi, that seals closed the cut of hair.

A bit confused the customer asked, why do we want to seal the hair? And what are you charging for this new fad?

Since it's so new it will cost an extra $50, but the benefits are that the juice no longer runs out your hair, you no longer need Bio Tape for sealing.

WTF, hair is dead material, nothing to drip out. Why should I waste money on such BS?

.... well, you see, it's only for the believers ....

Who would choose which ???

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by don on Jul 21^st, 2004, 10:10pm

You'll have to excuse me from this thread.

I have to go get some new Nikes and wait for the next comet.

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by don on Aug 7^th, 2004, 8:58am

Bump for Synergy

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by E-Double on Aug 7^th, 2004, 9:35am

on 07/21/04 at 22:10:26, don wrote:

You'll have to excuse me from this thread.

I have to go get some new Nikes and wait for the next comet.

LMAO!!!!!

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by IndianaJohn on Aug 7^th, 2004, 9:38am

Wow, this thread got pretty harsh pretty fast. We all know that the beast responds differently in all of us. I would guess that CH manifests itself slughtly differently in each case. The site had the following quote:
Quote:

We do not make a claim for even the "symptomatic relief of minor aches and pains" because no double-blind placebo controlled crossover studies have been done giving us the right to make such claims.

Can't hurt to at least talk about it civily.

my 2cents

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by floridian on Aug 7^th, 2004, 11:11am

on 08/07/04 at 09:38:21, IndianaJohn wrote:

I am generally open to new ideas, but at some point I find myself saying 'No, that's bull." If someone said they studied accupuncture for years and could offer some relief for stress, pain control, tension headaches, etc, I would say ok, maybe, there is some evidence. But 'biotape' that anybody just slaps on as they see fit doesn't even come close to accupuncture. To me, this is some guy in a garage who is appropriating some of the terminology of accupuncture and trying to sell something. Maybe he is sincere, but I wouldn't commit time or money on this for treating CH.

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by UN_SOLVED on Aug 7^th, 2004, 11:17am

http://home.insightbb.com/~unsolved/ROFLOLsnag.gif

Bio Tape .... headbands .... foil heads ...

Unsolved

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by IndianaJohn on Aug 7^th, 2004, 2:37pm

Mike your hilarious! You too floridian, and I couldn't agree more with your posts. Though I have to think that alot of the so called success rate may have to do perhaps with a placebo effect or a faith in a beleif system. If one truly believes in that kind of thing, then perhaps psychologically, it may offer some relief.

And one last thing then maybe this will fade away as I beleive it should.

Quote:

- no one has suffered more pain than this little black duck -

Shame on you! If you have been reading any of the posts around here, you would know that there are people here that suffer just as much if not more than you! There are many here that suffer from a variety of things with CH being the icing on the cake! I feel lucky that I am only episodic. That I've never had brain surgery to try and stop this pain only to have it fail!
Everyone has their own cross to bear, and to start the idea that "mine is heavier than anybody else's" is just plain wrong.

PFDAN to All!

Title: Re: Bio Tape
Post by don on Aug 7^th, 2004, 4:12pm

Quote:

Can't hurt to at least talk about it civily

WRONG!

It can hurt and/or prolong proper treatment to some desperate soul who is new at this.

You can save a lot of sufferers time chasing after fantasy cures. I've already done the footwork for them. When it is bullshit....Say So.