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Title: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Flash on Jun 20th, 2004, 9:09am http://www.potseeds.co.uk/mushrooms/fresh.html This is a reputable company, 30g of fresh cubensis can be purchased on-line for £14. The shrooms are delivered vacuum packet for freshness. 30g is enough for ~3 doses. Unfortunately I am unable to post this link on the UK board since OUCH (UK) would rather that we continue to suffer that make use of this particular legal, effective, inexpensive, and safe treatment. Go figure. Please note that this supplier will not ship to anywhere that shrooms are illegal. Good Luck! Flash |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by SteveY on Jun 20th, 2004, 9:44am Craig, I can assure you that OUCH UK do not want anyone to suffer CH. I have had some disagreements with the posting policy, but it's the law. Yes it's daft we can't talk about them but we can buy them, but the law is an ass as we all know. Back to the mushies, I'm going to try them soon, will let you know results. ps What level trip would 10g give? Steve |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by chrismo on Jun 20th, 2004, 10:02pm 30g divided by 3...... 10 grams per dose??? Isn't that a way too high dose? In the past I've used a little over a half a gram each dose. |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Pinkfloyd on Jun 21st, 2004, 1:22am on 06/20/04 at 22:02:03, chrismo wrote:
I assume you use half a gram of "dried" vs. the fresh mushrooms discussed above. Fresh shrooms are about 90% water. So, 10 grams fresh equal about 1 gram dried. Just a curious question about UK law. Believe me when I say that USA laws are about as whacky as they come so I understand when one law doesn't jive with another but... How can it be against the law to discuss mushrooms on a UK based website, but they can be sold on a UK based website? Is this based upon our US military law of "don't ask, don't tell?" You can do it as long as you don't talk about it? PF I know, I know.....but somebody had to ask. ::) |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by SteveY on Jun 21st, 2004, 5:00am Pink It's not that you can't talk about shrooms on a UK website. It's the OUCH UK website you can't. The reason is OUCH UK holds a charitable status and the benefits that go with that i.e Tax free donations etc. The use of shrooms i.e ingesting drying, freezing etc is still illegal, buying fresh isn't. I know weird. The point is if OUCH UK condone use of shrooms (class A drug) it would loose the charity status and probably be shut down. That would leave the sufferers old and those yet to come with no support for the issues of CH we face in the UK. It's the law thats an ass. The future (for all OUCH denominations) should be to get official recognition of the benefits of MM's, via official medical research, such as is begining in Harvard, official trials, and official prescribing. As with cannabis for MS, we have to start somewhere, you and others have already made great advances in pushing this therapy to the medical world. I hope one day some form of regulated dose is available from GP's officialy. Then not only could we talk about it on OUCH UK, we could recommend it. Cheers Steve |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Pinkfloyd on Jun 21st, 2004, 9:30am Thanks Steve. I understand discussions on this subject could go into activities that would/could be considered illegal in the UK. Has this been considered? Could OUCH UK write the Home Office and explain that people are using this treatment and that OUCH UK wants to inform people NOT to do anything illegal and can explain to its members what can be done legally. OUCH UK could take the position of telling people not to break the law. An example would be; Someone asks how to dry and store mushrooms. OUCH UK responds by telling them: "It is illegal to dry and store mushrooms. Do not break the law. You can buy fresh mushrooms and they can be injested in this form only." I know it could be viewed as trying to step around the law and maybe OUCH UK doesn't want to walk this fine line as it could still get into trouble. It would also be a lot of work on someones part to keep up with such a thing. You (OUCH) could be informing people not to break the law and at the same time discussing the treatment....I think. I imagine this has allbeen discussed by OUCH UK but, just a thought from someone trying to think outside the box without knowing the size or shape of the box. PF PF |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by forgetfulnot on Jun 21st, 2004, 1:00pm Quote:
Hmmmmm, if that is the case I must wonder how this org doe's basically the same thing, for years in the US without being striped of thier status or shut down. http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3380 Are our laws all that diferent? Lee |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Flash on Jun 21st, 2004, 2:53pm on 06/21/04 at 05:00:12, SteveY wrote:
Discussion on the legal application of using fresh shrooms to treat CH would not cause any problems for OUCH (UK). In may however be necessary to prohibit, censor, or delete any threads advocating any illegal preperation of the shrooms such as drying. There are many instances where somethings legality depends on the context of it's use/undertaking: Buggery. It is legal in the UK for a man to bugger a man but it is illegal for a man to bugger a woman. Despite the potential for buggery to be applied illegally, the Terrance Higgins Trust still manages to operate as a charitable organisation. Alcohol. It is legal in the UK to consume alcohol. It is also legal to brew alcohol through the process of fermentation. It is however illegal to distill alcohol without a special license. Despite the potential for illegal preparation of alcohol, homebrew website exist, as does the charitable organisation Alcoholics Anonymous. Wierd huh? The bottom line is that some person(s) on the board of OUCH (UK) Trustees do not PERSONALLY agree with the use of shrooms in any way shape or form. Therefore OUCH (UK) has elected to withhold all information relating to the LEGAL use of this treatment, including the LEGAL clinical trials that are to be performed at a world renouned American institution. This person(s) obviously considers it more important to eradicate the use of shrooms than to relieve the pain of those suffering with CH. This person(s) obviously believes that it is preferrable for UK CH sufferers to suffer with CH rather than be made aware of this treatment. This person(s) is abusing their status within a charitable organisation to impose their personal morality on others. Whenever this subject has been raised the response of certain people within OUCH (UK) (not including you Steve) has been to attempt to discredit both this treatment and those of us associated with it. BTW nobody in the UK or the rest of the world is dumb enough to believe OUCH (UK)s interpretation of UK law. Flash |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Superpain on Jun 21st, 2004, 5:44pm WTF is "Buggery"? [smiley=huh.gif] Is that like taking in the ass? :-X |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by majic on Jun 21st, 2004, 6:04pm I was so annoyed by OUCH(UK)'s strange attitude to this that I emailed and asked them why they refused to even discuss the matter...this was their reply: OUCH UK has published a clearly stated posting Policy and we continue to reserve the Right to remove mention/discussion of the use of any illegal substances from our web site. Specifically in respect of magic mushrooms, the Legal Advice we’ve obtained is that in this country it is perfectly in order for anyone to pick (or grow their own) raw magic mushrooms – you can even buy them from shops. However, it is illegal here in the UK to extract the active component Psilocybin from these mushrooms (by drying them or stewing them for instance). The moment you alter their raw state or prepare them in any way they are deemed to be a Class A drug under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971. This is heavy duty offending in the eyes of the Law. Possession of a Class A drug carries a custodial sentence of up to seven years: the maximum sentence for supplying a Class A drug to anyone else carries a life sentence. Your question as to what can and cannot be allowed/discussed on a UK web site is irrelevant to us. The OUCH UK site is a business site, not a private one. Our organisation is a Company Limited by Guarantee, properly lodged with Companies House. All the Trustees are Directors, albeit they run the organisation on an unpaid basis. After first registering OUCH UK as a Company, we then applied for Charitable status. Because of the way the organisation is set up, it is the Trustees (not the membership) who are held responsible - both jointly and severally under the Director’s Liability Act - for the way we conduct all aspects of OUCH UK. None of us are prepared as individuals to be held legally liable by being seen to encourage or condone the taking of illegal substances as a treatment for CH on our business site: nor are we prepared to risk losing our Charitable status by doing so either. We do not know (or consider it any of our business to know) how many of our members have used illegal substances to treat their CH. OUCH UK does not fund any research, either here in the UK or overseas. We work closely with the Institute of Neurology on all the CH trials they carry out, but we do not contribute to the funding of any of it. We will always publish the findings of approved clinical trials on CH if these are made available to us from an official medical source. So that everyone is quite clear as to what OUCK UK’s posting policy is on the subject of magic mushrooms, we will be publishing the above response as a Statement on our web site. As far as we are concerned, this issue is now closed and the Trustees do not intend to enter into any further discussion/correspondence on the matter. Christopher Willis Chairman of the Board of Trustees OUCH UK The depths of their ignorance is astonishing and I came to the conclusion that they are quite deliberately with-holding this information because they have some moral objection to the use of shrooms. People as evil & stupid as this really aren't worth argueing with. |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Filbert on Jun 21st, 2004, 9:22pm majic Thanks for that positive contribution to the furthering of understanding of cluster headaches and thanks for your posts both here and on OUCH uk and all the support you've given. - ::) ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Flash on Jun 21st, 2004, 9:44pm OUCH UK has published a clearly stated posting Policy and we continue to reserve the Right to remove mention/discussion of the use of any illegal substances from our web site. Fine by me, but we aren't proposing discussing any illegal activites. Specifically in respect of magic mushrooms, the Legal Advice we’ve obtained is that in this country it is perfectly in order for anyone to pick (or grow their own) raw magic mushrooms – you can even buy them from shops. Thank goodness they finally got that one right. As someone previously pointed out the Home Office has a statement to this effect on their website and they haven't been closed down. However, it is illegal here in the UK to extract the active component Psilocybin from these mushrooms (by drying them or stewing them for instance). The moment you alter their raw state or prepare them in any way they are deemed to be a Class A drug under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971. This is heavy duty offending in the eyes of the Law. Possession of a Class A drug carries a custodial sentence of up to seven years: the maximum sentence for supplying a Class A drug to anyone else carries a life sentence. Isn't the law a funny old thing? It's perfectly legal for me to use a knife to butter my bread, but the instant I take that same knife and plunge it into someone's heart I risk rotting in jail for a VERY long time. Is it OK to use the term 'knife' on the OUCH (UK) forum? Your question as to what can and cannot be allowed/discussed on a UK web site is irrelevant to us. The irrelevance of Ch sufferers to OUCH (UK) is duly noted. Thanks for clearing that up [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Filbert on Jun 21st, 2004, 9:53pm Flash you're starting to sound a little bitter- can it be assumed that you'll start the same thread in a couple of months time-if so try and come up with a different title-just to jog peoples' interest. |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Flash on Jun 21st, 2004, 10:04pm Our organisation is a Company Limited by Guarantee, properly lodged with Companies House. What he's trying to say is that they're setup as a limited company. This is the equivalent of an incorporated company in the US. It means that with very few exceptions all liability is limited to the company and not the individual directors. For example creditors may not pursue the individual directors for any debts owed to them by the business. Being a limited company is MUCH less risky than being a regular person that's personally liable for their actions. Companies House is the entity that polices limited companies. Say for instance a company deliberately takes payment for goods or services that it never intends to deliver then folds with creditors... Companies House may ban those directors from holding directorships for a period of time. All the Trustees are Directors, albeit they run the organisation on an unpaid basis. After first registering OUCH UK as a Company, we then applied for Charitable status. Because of the way the organisation is set up, it is the Trustees (not the membership) who are held responsible - both jointly and severally under the Director’s Liability Act - for the way we conduct all aspects of OUCH UK. This is a bit of a misnomer. It's like saying that you may be arrested by the Secret Service whilst ommiting the fact that you are immune from every other law enforcement agency. FYI The Directors Liability Act was implemented subsequent to the Piper Alpha disaster. I'm a copmpany director, have been for 7 years, and I've never been struck off for mentioning magic mushrooms. Many of the shops selling magic mushrooms in the UK are trading as limited companys. None of us are prepared as individuals to be held legally liable by being seen to encourage or condone the taking of illegal substances as a treatment for CH on our business site. Well nobody is asking them to do this. The subject is magic mushrooms, and as they have acknowledged, those are legal. Get used to it! nor are we prepared to risk losing our Charitable status by doing so either. We've demonstrated the invalidity of that statement many, many times. We do not know (or consider it any of our business to know) how many of our members have used illegal substances to treat their CH. Good because it isn't their business. Stay on topic FFS!!! OUCH UK does not fund any research, either here in the UK or overseas. We work closely with the Institute of Neurology on all the CH trials they carry out, but we do not contribute to the funding of any of it. Well that's err... useful. We will always publish the findings of approved clinical trials on CH if these are made available to us from an official medical source. I can tell this is soooo NOT going to happen. So that everyone is quite clear as to what OUCK UK’s posting policy is on the subject of magic mushrooms, we will be publishing the above response as a Statement on our web site. As far as we are concerned, this issue is now closed and the Trustees do not intend to enter into any further discussion/correspondence on the matter. Crystal clear. I'm just glad it's ONLY CH we're talking about and not AIDS or cancer. |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Flash on Jun 21st, 2004, 10:07pm on 06/21/04 at 21:22:43, Filbert wrote:
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Flash on Jun 21st, 2004, 10:11pm on 06/21/04 at 21:53:06, Filbert wrote:
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Filbert on Jun 21st, 2004, 10:14pm So Flash set up your own WEBSITE I know you have been worried about your mum not having access to the shroom information.It worries me! |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Flash on Jun 21st, 2004, 10:17pm on 06/21/04 at 17:44:47, Superpain wrote:
Yes it's the very appropriate technical term for being shafted - like we are being. |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by pubgirl on Jun 21st, 2004, 10:22pm Thank you for the link Flash However a message from someone who only wishes to help cluster sufferers legally access shrooms and treatment information rather than run a crusade to discredit people would contain links such as: www.clusterbusters.com as well as online purchase sites such as www.trufflemonster.com www.thepsychedeli.com www.salviaonline.co.uk Can we focus on that please and stop exchanging insults and arguing semantics? Wendy P.S. Good question Filbert. Flash, seriously, if you are so angry with OUCH UK, why don't you set up your own website for Ch sufferers in the UK , we know you have the technical skills. |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Filbert on Jun 21st, 2004, 10:22pm numbnuts- that's very good -cuts to the soul. ;;D ;;D ;;D |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Flash on Jun 21st, 2004, 10:33pm on 06/21/04 at 22:14:19, Filbert wrote:
Err we have. Although my contribution was limited to a little text. It's at www.clusterbusters.com. Jeez even Wendy stumbled on us... as she trawled the Internet late at night apparently desperate to satiate her craving for salvia. |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by pubgirl on Jun 21st, 2004, 10:38pm I don't mean a shroom site. If you are serious about helping CH sufferers, and shrooms is only a part of this and you think OUCH Uk is so bad at doing this, it would solve most of your issues to set up an alternative site. Even here OUCH is restricted about what it can and cannot do, whereas DJ can do mostly what he likes with ch.com and allow people pretty much to say what they like. If it matters so much to you, create the equivalent in the UK W Edited: Sorry, if this isn't clear enough. The main OUCH website linked here doesn't have shroom information either. People come here or go to clusterbusters for it. If you think it so important, then do what DJ has done, but a UK based version. |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Pinkfloyd on Jun 22nd, 2004, 1:53am on 06/21/04 at 21:53:06, Filbert wrote:
Flash isn't the one that began the "discussion" on the subject. He just posted a worthwhile link. Especially worthwhile to people living in the UK that might be interested. This being the most public site available for such a post for his kingdom-men (and ladies) it was appropriate IMHO. I brought it to a discussion point and as it is, it seems some good discussion has followed. For this site, it would be considered tame and well mannered. ;;D We're (Americans) are always being accused of not caring how other countries operate or their customs. We Americans are a just a bit puzzeled (uneducated?), as we are unfortunately with many foreign laws and customs, in that it seems there are free speech issues that we always take for granted. We're just trying to learn. OTOH, we are available for invasion and liberation (at least until November) if anyone is interested. ;) I know you have free health care (or almost free?) Has anyone written your government to ask them if they know how many billions of dollars (euros) could be saved on their medical budget? Maybe they would be interested in donating to the study. It would actually be easier to run a study such as this through just about anywhere other than the US. No one else will have the pressure of the billions of dollars at stake from opponents...ie, drug manufacturers. It's problems like these that make us not able to sit back and let (trust) our government to come up with a cure for neuro-vascular headaches. Countries with national health care systems on the other hand.....have much more to gain politically than they stand to lose financially. For every person that can replace imitrex with a couple grams of mushrooms, a road could be paved, a new teacher could be hired or a hospital burn unit could add a bed. PF |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by majic on Jun 22nd, 2004, 5:03am on 06/21/04 at 21:22:43, Filbert wrote:
I this wasn't so pathetic it would almost be amusing. I am in no position to further the understanding of Cluster Headaches. But having spent 20 years being a chronic sufferer, this treatment is a revalation...in the space of about 18 months I have gone from suffering 6-8 attacks per day to having maybe 1-2 attacks every 6-8 weeks. All the other stuff OUCH(UK) does is almost irrelevant, hand wringing nonsense. A huge amount of pain and suffering could be relieved simply by telling all members of OUCH(UK) how to use this treatment. It may even prevent a few suicides...but obviously the idiots who run OUCH(UK) don't really care about this. I utterly fail to understand the fear and hostility that OUCH(UK) show towards this treatment. It's almost as if they want CH suffers to become dependant on them as their suffering continues. It seems to me to be utter nonsense to say that the OUCH(UK) website can make absolutley no mention of this. It only took me a few moments using Google to find a UK Multiple Sclerosis Charity's website that had a page talking about cannabis and even offering to supply me with canna-chocolate. That charity has been in operation for over 10 years. Now, Cannabis is definitely illegal in the UK, and supply of a Class C drug carries a 14 year sentence. If they can do this then I'm damn sure that OUCH(UK) could talk about a LEGAL substance used in a LEGAL manner to treat CH. majic |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by majic on Jun 22nd, 2004, 5:15am on 06/21/04 at 22:38:27, pubgirl wrote:
This is missing the point on so many levels it's difficult to know where to start. How about the members of OUCH(UK) who don't have internet access? Are they to be left in pain because of their ignorance? Creating a new website just to talk about this treatment in the UK is a pointless waste of resources. The difficulty is making sure that suffers in the UK know about this treatment. The best way to do this is obviously through the UK's CH charity...who unfortunately have decided that this treatment should be kept away from their members. The other real difficulty is that the trustees of OUCH(UK) refuse to discuss this openly. There is no forum in the UK where we can question their thoughts or motives on this matter. We have the choice of agreeing with them or withdrawing from OUCH(UK) and that's about it. Sad, isn't it, that adults are so scared of something like this that they won't even talk about it? majic |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by pubgirl on Jun 22nd, 2004, 6:54am on 06/22/04 at 05:03:21, majic wrote:
That is a terrible thing to say. The many hundreds of sufferers who ring our Helpline and talk to our volunteers when they are desperate would disagree with you. I try in as many ways as I can think of to try and help ALL CH sufferers I have access to. I think it is very sad that others are destructive rather than constructive. There are ways around everything: attacking, abusing hacking, villifying and libelling are not the ways to achieve anything at all. I cannot understand why people can't see this. I'm gone to do more useful things now Wendy |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by tommyD on Jun 22nd, 2004, 7:32am Much thanks and congratulations to our Doug, Margi and our other Neighbors to the North on their excellent website: http://www.clusterheadaches.ca/ Also much thanks for the discussion forum they added recently: http://www.clusterheadaches.ca/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Alternative So any citizen of the Commonwealth with moral or legal objections to the most effective treatment yet found can just sing, as they do in South Park... "Blame Canada! Blame Canada!" -tommyD |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by majic on Jun 22nd, 2004, 8:04am That is a terrible thing to say. The many hundreds of sufferers who ring our Helpline and talk to our volunteers when they are desperate would disagree with you. The truth often does hurt...and of course you quite deliberately keep secret from these *desperate* people a completely LEGAL treatment that provides almost total relief and which can be brought over the counter all over the UK. I wonder how grateful these *desperate* people will feel when they find out that you kept them in pain because you don't like the idea of them eating a mushroom? And they will find out eventually Wendy and then you will have many thousands of people asking these same questions and demanding answers...have you thought about that? I try in as many ways as I can think of to try and help ALL CH sufferers I have access to. Except of course that this is a lie...the one truly effective treatment you keep to yourself leaving the ignorant to suffer. How very humanitarian. I think it is very sad that others are destructive rather than constructive. You are the one being destructive. Keeping secrets is almost always destructive in the end. If I was one of the people being kept in the dark by OUCH(UK) and left in pain and suffering, I would be absolutely livid when I found out...and someone like you would be the focus of my ire. There are ways around everything: attacking, abusing hacking, villifying and libelling are not the ways to achieve anything at all. Attacking, abusing and villifying I will plead guilty too. Not that I care...IMHO you deserve every bit of it. Libel...well you may have noticed that this discussion is being held on a board in the US....the libel laws are different there Wendy so before you go throwing accusations around perhaps you should know what you're talking about? As for hacking, not sure why I'm being accused of this, but then again logic and common sense seem a bit lacking in the OUCH(UK) team. I cannot understand why people can't see this. I can't understand the attitude of OUCH(UK). Keeping this secret has no legal basis, no moral basis, and no ethical basis. You are utterly and completely in the wrong...and what is worse you are actually causing more people to suffer more because of this. Just to finish with here's a question for Wendy or any of the OUCH(UK) trustees: If this treatment was a completely inert herb...let's say for example that the same effect could be had from drinking Dandelion leaf tea, would you still be keeping it a secret. In other words, are the other effects of psilocybin and it's use by the 'counterculture' that is causing the problem or do you really not want to see a cure made avaible to anyone who suffers? |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Flash on Jun 22nd, 2004, 11:22am Well said majic! I believe one of the aims of the OUCH (UK) organisation to raise awareness of CH in the UK. One of the aims of ClusterBusters to raise awareness of the shroom treatment. One of my aims is to force OUCH (UK) to acknowledge the legitimacy of the shroom treatment. I use the word force because I got banned for trying to persuade - thus limiting my tactics. I like it when people from OUCH (UK) respond with petty little barbs because this indicates that they are unable to contest the main thrust of my argument. Let's be quite clear - they don't have a leg to stand on. Let's also be clear on something else... all we require of OUCH (UK) is to post a link to ClusterBusters on their treatments page, presumably along with a disclaimer. OUCH (US) has this, and OUCH (Canada) has gone further still by openly supporting the treatment. As for the message board - well I would hope that discussions on the legal use of shrooms would be permitted. In fact it may even be beneficial for OUCH (UK) to specifically advise people on how NOT to break the law... because in the UK there simply isn't any need to. In the UK we can order shrooms online and recieve them the next day in the mail, then ingest them fresh out of the vacuum sealed bag. I have good reason to feel so strongly about this. If every other website took the approach of OUCH (UK) then I'd probably be the only person in the world aware of the beneficial effects of shrooms on our condition. Even if I'd bothered to build my own website then it would lack all credibility unless the support groups acknowlgeded the treatment. How are we supposed to make any headway organising a clinical trial in the UK when OUCH (UK) refuses to publically acknowledge that there may be some merit in our cause? So you can continue to demonise me all you want. You may call into question every statement I've ever made, you may highlight all my shortcomings, assasinate my character... who cares? All I want is a link on the OUCH (UK) site. Give me the link and I'll shut the fuck up. Until then it is my mission to make life uncomfortable for OUCH (UK). Nothing personal. There is no difference between me badgering OUCH (UK) over the issue of shrooms and OUCH (UK) badgering the BMA over O2 regulators. None. It is impotant to be pragmatic with regard to treatments. So what if the online vendor of shrooms sells dope seeds and salvia. Both those are legal. Is it really worth suffering the pain of CH in order to make some misguided moral stand? No it's NOT. If those are the only sources we have for shrooms then we cannot afford the luxury of voting with our custom. I hate big business. But given the choice of pissing my pants or visting the McLoo in McDonalds I'd rather take the latter option. ClusterBusters has all the advice that anyone needs to see on shrooms. There is no point in having a second such website because that would just fragment things - it misses the whole point of the Intenet. The Internet is a distributed medium with no social, political, or economic boundries. A so called UK site could be hosted in China... ClusterBusters also have a private forum where we are free to discuss any aspect of the treatment. In order to progress the search for an effective treatment, every CH related site has a duty to provide a reasonably prominent link to ClusterBusters. Every CH organisation has a duty to support our cause, because our goal is a safer and more effective treatment. And I shall keep on bashing on about this until either I die or I get the result I'm looking for. Which part(s) of that don't you understand? Flash |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Flash on Jun 24th, 2004, 12:49pm My shrooms came today and all were nice examples in good condition. |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by majic on Jun 24th, 2004, 6:43pm Here is what happens when you try to bring this subject up on the OUCH(UK) board; http://www.clusterheadaches.org.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=001;action=display;num=1087905166 Firstly they deleted my post. Some hours later it was reinstated with an amended title...I made no mention of the dreaded 'magic mushrooms' When they reinstated the thread they added some patronising and facile comments by Wendy and then a completely innacurate statement by 'the web team'. They then artfully locked the thread so that no rebuttal of their false claims was possible. Their behaviour over this matter is nothing short of disgraceful. I get the feeling that none of the Trustees have any personal experience of this treatment. They have no idea how well it works and what a difference it makes to peoples lives, and they are still caught up with (wrong) idea that it is illegal. I am beginning to think that the only solution to this might be a formal complaint to the Charities Commission. majic |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by majic on Jun 24th, 2004, 6:48pm on 06/24/04 at 12:49:46, Flash wrote:
I have had a couple of deliveries where the mushrooms were badly broken up during transit. Since then I've been buying truffles, which travel much better and keep for rather longer. http://www.potseeds.co.uk/truffles/index.htm They also taste alot better and I can quite happily munch them raw...swilled down with a good, hot, strong cup of tea...and no illegal preparations are necessary ;) btw...if you suffer from MS here is a UK charity who will send you cannabis laced chocolate bars; http://www.msrc.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=show&pageid=819 Supply of Cannabis carries a 14 year sentence in the UK and yet they seem prepared to run that risk and have been in operation for about 10 years. The trustees of this charity obviously care for MS suffers in a way that puts OUCH(UK) to shame. |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Flash on Jun 25th, 2004, 11:27am I think I see part of the problem, and ironically the only people that can help solve it are OUCH (UK)... Discussion on mushroom therapy are mainly centered on the US where mushrooms are illegal. Since in the US mushrooms can not be procured on a 'just in time' basis, and it is necessary for people to grow their own, it is also necessary to preserve the mushrooms. This also used to be the case with wild mushrooms in the UK which only appear for 4-6 weeks in the Autumn, so some form of preservation was required. Should an unexpected episode occur, most people would like to have some shrooms at hand, as opposed to waiting months for them to appear, so again there was a requirement for preservation. Preservation was never an issue with annual maintenance doses which can be taken at any time of the year, but unfortunately some people require to dose more frequently than once every 12 months... All discussion on preperation again centered on the US where the shrooms were already illegal - it's not like you'd do more time because you dried them then boiled them. Now currently in the UK none of this is a problem, as you can order shrooms on-line, or buy them in the high street so there is no need to preserve them. Also the shrooms can be consumed fresh, so there is no need to prepare them in any way. My guess is that OUCH (UK) haven't twigged to this fact. Let's face it, who in their right mind would dry or boil a shroom when doing so might send you to jail for life, when you DON'T NEED TO. Me - I was scared that the shrooms might rot in the post, and I didn't want a delay so I ordered WAY WAY more than I needed. As it turns out the majority of them were in good nick, so there wasn't a problem. Am I going to risk drying the rest? No fuckin way. What's the point? I'd like if someone relatively neutral tried explaining this to OUCH (UK), as well I'm obviously Satan so I guess that makes magic one of my evil deciples. The irony of this is, that the benefit of posting on the UK message board would facilitate legal discussion of the treatment - since most people frequenting it are in the UK. Jeeez... Flash |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by LeeS on Jun 25th, 2004, 1:27pm Thanks for the link flash. My 'alternative' medication also arrived today.I have a carefully planned window of opportu nity this weekend, I shall let you know how i get on as a 'first timer'. Fingers crossed and all that. Thanks again with a small hint of trepidation. -Lee Bythe way, mine also appear undamaged, but I've stuck them in the frigde for good measure(maybe this illegal do you know?) |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by SteveY on Jun 25th, 2004, 1:29pm http://www.magic-mushrooms.net/scan-mushrooms-home-office-all.jpg The above link is the UK Home Office guidlines. Apparantley you can eat them fresh, not sure about making a "tea" |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by LeeS on Jun 25th, 2004, 2:04pm Thanks for that link steve. No wonder people think that the British are stuck up their own arses! The bit that I found useful was ".... it would be for the courts to determine whether chilling mushrooms in the fridge constituted altering them in any way" For the sake of preservation I think I'll risk it. -Lee |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by firebrix on Jun 25th, 2004, 5:15pm All the best to you LeeS! No need for fear and trepidation! There's little to be afraid of in the small space between our ears and it passes quickly. Just remember that in a coupla hours, you'll be exactly as you were before you dosed, (but maybe a little more aware) and maybe PF too. Happy daze firebrix |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Superpain on Jun 25th, 2004, 5:39pm I love(d) eating shrooms. Nothing to be afraid of. Have a good time! And if you get a chance, HAVE SEX!!! Sex on shrooms is like nothing else! |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Flash on Jun 25th, 2004, 10:59pm Yeah sex on shrooms is very good. If you are nervous (about the shrooms) then get hold of a herb called 'skullcap' - this makes things easier. |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by LeeS on Jun 26th, 2004, 5:32am Thanks all. 24 hours to go. More nervous than before the footie (Euro 2004).Think'll I'll give the sex thing a miss this time round, but thanks for the tip. Skullcap Flash. Is this the sort of thing you can pick up in Boots or Holland and Barratt? I'll make some enquiries but I can just see meself floundering a bit if the assistant asks me what its for! Thanks again -Lee |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Flash on Jun 26th, 2004, 7:22am HIt's just a herb that you ingest. Search the Internet for some information first, but it shouldn't be too hard to get hold of in town. Highly recommended though. |
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Title: Re: Source for Fresh Mushrooms in the UK Post by Filbert on Jun 26th, 2004, 8:15pm Whatever you do LeeS don't get mixed up with death caps -they will probably kill you! To be fair I'm sure you can't buy them except for at Asda/Wallmart where apparently, according to the TV ad, down 18p from last week. Seriously all the best with it all!! Filbert |
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