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(Message started by: pamstroud on May 26^th, 2004, 1:48pm)

Title: sansert/mushroom question
Post by pamstroud on May 26^th, 2004, 1:48pm

I have had clusters since I was 17 -- 35 yrs. have been reading here for a while, learning some valuable things, like breaking the Imitrex injections into parts. Thought I had that problem all figured out. Guess my memory is a bit short. Started getting hit with CHs every two hours starting in the evenings and that blew my little plan. I was also on 100 mg Topomax, which seemed to be having all the propholactic effectic of Skittles, and made me spacey.

So in desperation I took a Sansert left over from the last episode from 3 years ago, when I did not know about the injection-stretching trick and had to rely only on Sansert to suppress the headaches, which they did, but left me kind of a vegetable, and never got rid of the shadows. I thought of it as a toxic last resort.

Not this time. The headaches stopped immediately with only one 2mg dose, and by the second day even the shadows were gone. I can only account for this by assuming that the Topomax had some effect after all.

I don't have many Sansert left, though, and I can't get any more, and the dr. had recommended that I try going up on the Skittles -- I mean, Topomax -- so yesterday I dutifully stopped taking the Sansert and took more Topomax. Bam! I got hit, bad.

I took an injection, and against advice, because I a weenie, waited a bit and took another Sansert. Not many of them left now. I've had my daughter out looking for mushrooms for me. I think she's tracked some down.

My question: Is sansert structurally similar to psyocybin? I think I read that on one of these cluster boards. I wonder if the mushrooms could substitute for sansert at this late stage in my cycle (actually this could be the peak)? What is the evidence that I have to detox from a relatively low dose of it before the mushroom would work?

I realize the time to take mushrooms is early on. I can tell you right now that my tolerance for gutting out headaches is nil. I do plan to try oxygen because since reading here I realize when I tried it before I don't think a non-rebreather mask was specified.

Thanks again and may God bless those who have shared experience and wisdom here, and spared me and countless others many, many hours of agony.

Hi to all you other Austin folks.

Pam

:)

Title: Re: sansert/mushroom question
Post by thomas on May 26^th, 2004, 1:52pm

Go with the O2, as far as shrooms go, I think you have to be med free for a while, before you take them. Someone with more knowledge on the subject will be around shortly, I'm sure.

Title: Re: sansert/mushroom question
Post by UN_SOLVED on May 26^th, 2004, 2:03pm

on 05/26/04 at 13:48:07, pamstroud wrote:

My question: Is sansert structurally similar to psyocybin?

It is 'structurally similar' to LSD.

Unsolved

Title: Re: sansert/mushroom question
Post by Pinkfloyd on May 26^th, 2004, 2:20pm

I know how desperate we sometimes get when the clusters hit time after time. That said, you REALLY need to take a step back and look at your entire medication regimen.
First, yes sansert IS very similar to psilocybin, structurally. Sansert was the pharmaceutical industries attempt to modify psilocybin by removing the part that causes the hallucinogenic effects. There is only one molecule difference. So close that some people still have hallucinations with sansert.

Sansert should NOT be used at the same time as any triptans such as imitrex. Sansert is an ergot! They are not safe to mix.

Check out www.clusterbusters.com for more info on the shroom treatment. Click on the FAQ link there.

be well
be safe
PF

Title: Re: sansert/mushroom question
Post by pamstroud on May 26^th, 2004, 3:21pm

Thanks for the speedly reply. I have with great interest and hope read a lot of the posts on the clusterbusters site. That's why I want to try the mushrooms. That must be where I read that sansert is similar to psyilocybin. That's why I am wondering if p. could not be substituted for a low dose of s. Maybe it would just have that negating/nullifying effect someone mentioned, and do nothing -- the first Sansert did make me a bit spacey but after the second I was very clear headed, but it still kept the headaches away. If I get the mushrooms I will try it and see what happens. I have not looked through the case studies posted to see if there are any cases such as the one I propose. If there are not and I get to carry out my little experiement, I will post it. I may be near the end of my cycle so it may not mean much.

I know Sansert is not safe to mix with Imitrex -- I was half asleep at the time and immediately thought Now why did I do that??? but had no ill effects from it, thank God.

When I am having these headaches I kind of look at the meds like chemo -- my episodes are not long and I will risk poisoning myself short term to avoid the pain, because I am just such a weenie. It takes about 5 minutes of pain before I am nearly hysterical. To me they all seem like 10s.

Many thanks for your efforts to find something that will spare so many so much agony! I will be sure to have my supplies on hand in the freezer for the next bout in 2 or 3 years!

on 05/26/04 at 14:20:34, Pinkfloyd wrote:

Title: Re: sansert/mushroom question
Post by Pinkfloyd on May 26^th, 2004, 4:43pm

Yes Pam, a few of the "researhers" have tried a method whereby they mix up a jug of "tea" and sip small amounts to see if these small doses in a more frequent (like daily) schedule would help. It does look promising. It has also been used to help people detox off imitrex before one or two larger doses. Also very small doses have been used to control the attacks, sort of as an abotive.

stay in touch. Anything we can do to help..just ask.
Best of luck,
PF

Title: Re: sansert/mushroom question
Post by Bob P on May 26^th, 2004, 5:36pm

Agree with unsolved, LSD:

Sansert® (methysergide maleate) is a partially synthetic compound structurally related to lysergic acid butanolamide, well-known as methylergonovine in obstetrical practice as an oxytocic agent. Chemically, methysergide maleate is designated as ergoline-8-carboxamide, 9,10-didehydro-N-[1-(hydroxymethyl)propyl]-1,6-dimethyl-, (8ß)-, (Z)-2-butenedioate (1:1) (salt).

Title: Re: sansert/mushroom question
Post by Racer1_NC on May 27^th, 2004, 12:48am

If you want to continue to use Sansert, your doctor can write a prescription and with a little leg work you can find a pharmacy that can will make it for you.

Bill

Title: Re: sansert/mushroom question
Post by pamstroud on May 27^th, 2004, 8:18am

on 05/26/04 at 16:43:11, Pinkfloyd wrote:

Thanks very much. I have the tea ingredients for experimentation now -- I knew there would come a time it would come in handy to have a child who could procure this sort of thing for me so easily. Tomorrow I am going to a small town in Texas for a few weeks where I'll have only intermittant access to a computer (and I doubt any oxygen). Do you think I should start drinking tea before stopping sansert, to see if the tea would supplant the sansert and hopefully not necessitate the resumption of imitrex shots when I run out of sansert (I have about 6 left)? Or should I start drinking tea after running out of sansert to wean off imitrex shots?

Or is all this pointless and should I just keep the ingredients in the freezer for til the next episode in about 3 yrs?

Many thanks for advice.
;)

Title: Re: sansert/mushroom question
Post by pamstroud on May 27^th, 2004, 8:22am

on 05/27/04 at 00:48:44, Racer1_NC wrote:

If you want to continue to use Sansert, your doctor can write a prescription and with a little leg work you can find a pharmacy that can will make it for you.

Bill

Really? Thanks for the information! The same daughter I sent out for the tea is dating a pharmacist! She does come in handy.

Title: Re: sansert/mushroom question
Post by Pinkfloyd on May 27^th, 2004, 9:56am

on 05/27/04 at 08:18:10, pamstroud wrote:

Thanks very much. I have the tea ingredients for experimentation now -- ;)

Personally, I would stay away from both imitrex and sansert for as long as possible (minumum 24 hours for many reasons) and then see if the tea allowed me to never need either of them again.

good luck
PF