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(Message started by: Hai on Mar 26^th, 2004, 2:48am)

Title: Can Meds Have Reverse Effect?
Post by Hai on Mar 26^th, 2004, 2:48am

:-/

First off, hello again to everyone. I am going to be the first to confess I am a jerk. I was in a cycle back in the summer that ended back in November (left side of head). During that time I got involved in 1 meeting setup by the Las Vegas CH'rs and skipped the following meetings after my cycle had ended. Call me a punk, but when the HA's are gone I dont want to even think of them, that includes coming to this message board, or talking with other sufferers iRL. I think Karma got me on that one, as starting in the beginning of Feburary another cycle started, this time on the other side of my head (right). Since then it has been pure madness. Anyhow please accept my apology for being a wuss, and if you choose not to discuss with me I understand.

Anyhow my cycle was broken by this combo

Diltiazem (Blood Pressure Medicine)
Topomax (maybe)
and
Doxepin (Knocked me out at night so I slept through the pain pretty well..this with the BP meds is what did it I think)

Anyhow, I went back to my normal life, drinking beers (oh how I love my beer), and enjoying things. One thing I did not stop doing was taking the Diltiazem. Now that the HA's are back, my doc increased the dosage but it has NIL effect, and the doxepin is not letting me sleep through the pain. I am waking up 2x a night taking 1/2 imitrex shots 2x.

The other night I was in the emergency room, cause on topof the nightly pain, the constant throbing/ache/soreness on the right side of my head was 2 much to handle. It scared me that a cycle would come back so fast (usually they wait a year or more). Also my Sinuses felt like tweesers were inserted. I could not breath through my nose for anything. Well it seems the tests came back showing I had no serious problems in the head, just the typical CH cycle, however I am wondering if by not stopping the BP meds that now they are having a reverse effect on me causing the headaches. Seems when I take em, a HA shows up pretty quick behind it. Then again maybe the Doxepin is kickin my ass at night when I take it. Should I have stopped taking these meds once my cycle was over? Has anyone heard of the drugs that helped you reversing its effects and hindering?

TIA

Trick in Las Vegas

Title: Re: Can Meds Have Reverse Effect?
Post by Superpain on Mar 26^th, 2004, 2:54am

There are many stories of clusters "adapting" and rendering meds useless.
Some also cause rebounds.

So, how many times is it going to take you to go to the ER, before you figure out it's an expensive waste of time?

Have you tried oxygen?
Alot of us HIGHLY RECCOMEND IT!

PS, I don't like thinking about these things out of cycle either.

Title: Re: Can Meds Have Reverse Effect?
Post by Hai on Mar 26^th, 2004, 9:20am

Thanks for the Advice Super_Pain, owill discuss O2 as an option with the doc this weekend.

Interested on the rebound effect however, I would really like the doc to change my meds and switch out all the old ones, but I think in terms of the BP Med mentioned above Diltizem, its basically Verapamil with a different name.

Title: Re: Can Meds Have Reverse Effect?
Post by 357Mag on Mar 26^th, 2004, 9:50am

Hai,

Some info on Diltiazem....see the links below..
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/diltiaz.htm

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/pharmclips.cgi?keyword=TIAZAC

The links and this info came from the RX List website.
Brand Name: DILTIAZEM DILTIAZEM Patient Info
(or DILTIAZEM) CheckRx!
Generic Name: DILTIAZEM HCL
Drug Class: CARDIAC DRUGS

Hope this helps and that you find some answers soon.

In the meantime, vibes and PF's to ya,

Peace,
-dan

Title: Re: Can Meds Have Reverse Effect?
Post by Luke63 on Mar 26^th, 2004, 11:08am

Hey Hai...been episodic for almost 25 years now...but never discovered the joys of Oxygen until about 3 weeks ago......Wow...what a relief...and no drug side effects...Luke

Title: Re: Can Meds Have Reverse Effect?
Post by JJA on Apr 2^nd, 2004, 11:49am

Hai,

Sorry, I missed this post before, but better late than never. I think the common opinion around here is that meds may make CH worse either in frequency of ha's or in length of clusters and remissions...key word being may. Of course, that may or may not be the reason in your case. Since CH "adapts" to medicines especially for chronics, it's probably best for episodics to stop taking them when out of cycle (under an MD's advice, of course). From what I read shrooms may be an exception to this rule.

JJA