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(Message started by: Flounder on Feb 12^th, 2004, 8:10pm)

Title: CranioSacral Therapy
Post by Flounder on Feb 12^th, 2004, 8:10pm

Just curious if anyone has ever tried this.

Title: Re: CranioSacral Therapy
Post by eyhavhedaches on Feb 12^th, 2004, 8:21pm

I get scared when I hear about this procedure. Don't know a whole lot about it but have read a couple of articles and some testimonials, I have heard bad and good, the flip side is you don't feel pain, the bad part is that you lose sensation to that side of your face. again this is what I have read and merely nothing more.

Title: Re: CranioSacral Therapy
Post by Flounder on Feb 12^th, 2004, 8:37pm

eyhavhedaches,
I think you are thinking of something else. Maybe Gamma Knife. It's a non-invasive therapy that deals with adjusting the craniosacral system (spinal fluid) and its rhythm. It may be hocus pocus but I have been reading about it's benefits for many disorders. I would put it in a similar category as acupuncture. There are only a handful of people in the large city that I live in that do it and most of them do acupuncture as well. It just seems like something one of us would have tried at some point but it is a newly developed therapy.

Title: Re: CranioSacral Therapy
Post by Renee on Feb 12^th, 2004, 8:40pm

I tried cranio-sacral therapy...no help at all!

Title: Re: CranioSacral Therapy
Post by Flounder on Feb 12^th, 2004, 8:53pm

Thanks Renee,
My son has had a couple sessions for HDHD. I want to try everything to help him and don't want to put him on drugs. We haven't noticed any drastic changes thus far. It just seemed like something we clusterheads would give a shot. Luckily shrooms do the trick for me or I would probably try it. Hell I might try it just to see what it feels like, my son seems to like it, but knowing me it would probably bring on a cycle.

Title: Re: CranioSacral Therapy
Post by AlienSpaceGuy on Feb 12^th, 2004, 9:36pm

Read everything worthwhile to know about this scam at:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/cranial.html

ASG

Title: Re: CranioSacral Therapy
Post by toader on Feb 12^th, 2004, 11:45pm

yeah ask the toader - he's doing *all* the alternative stuff - acupuncture, massages, craniosacral, chriopractor, :)

I'm currently doing CS therapy. My last session was Tuesday. I've done about 3 sessions - I go about every 2 weeks. It's basically a head and neck massage. Feels great.

No, my face didn't go numb. No I didn't have to join a cult or drink any koolaid. And as good as it sounds, I didn't have a vision with naked sprites and nature faeries dancing around me. And no, it is not a "cure" for cluster headaches.

That's the way it is with all the alternative therapies. They are not a cure. I look at them as part of my overall toader wellness plan.

Don't call it quack just because it's not for you - especially if you've never done it before.

Toader

Title: Re: CranioSacral Therapy
Post by Flounder on Feb 12^th, 2004, 11:58pm

Thanks for the link ASG.

Like I said I want to try everything but drugs to help my son. He goes to an occupational therapist that has helped him immensely with staying on task and coordination issues. He has (had) a seizure disorder that he seems to have outgrown. He was on depakote for two years but now is fine without meds. He is an awesome kid he is just wound up like a rubber band so I was hoping this might help unwind him a bit. We have talked to several parents who claim it has helped their kids; one with autism and the other two with ADHD so we figured it was worth a shot. I have been extremely skeptical all along but my thought was why would someone with a reputable acupuncture practice bring something in that was total BS. I realize that this has nothing to do with CH's I just figured there would be some who had tried it and was curious if there were any results. I'm not trying to promote this in anyway, I'd be one of the first to jump on a snake oil salesman.

Title: Re: CranioSacral Therapy
Post by Flounder on Feb 13^th, 2004, 12:17am

on 02/12/04 at 23:45:51, toader wrote:

I didn't have a vision with naked sprites and nature faeries dancing around me.

Toader,
You have to do the shrooms for that to happen. [smiley=laugh.gif]

My son loves the CST and we decided at the beginning that we would give it five sessions and see if there were any changes in his amplitude.
I wish you the best with your health plan!

Title: Re: CranioSacral Therapy
Post by randal on Feb 13^th, 2004, 2:41am

You say you dont want to try drugs for your CH. But unless you try some of them ie:Imetrex,O2 and other good drug solutions the pain will just keep on coming.That's just me
Keep trying and good luck

Title: Re: CranioSacral Therapy
Post by Karla on Feb 17^th, 2004, 10:10pm

I tried it and accupuncture and neither were of any benefit to me. It was a waste of time and money.

Title: Re: CranioSacral Therapy
Post by jmorgan52 on Feb 18^th, 2004, 2:24am

Flounder am I correct in assuming your son does not have CH but has ADD or something similar? I am sure that any therapy that relaxes him will do him some good.

I have over the years tried stuff like Indian Head Massage, Swedish Massage, Body Stress Relief, Aromatherapy Massage, Yoga to try and cure my CH.

I still do them all on a regular basis - especially the yoga. They didn't help my CH at all, but they sure as hell make me feel good and help to keep the stress levels down.

Last year my wife treated me to few flotation tank sessions. This is a sort of sensory deprivation therapy, weightless, total darkness, total silence for an hour in tank of highly saline water. It was a very wierd sensation, very pleasant though and I felt really great for weeks afterwards - so relaxed.

John

Title: Re: CranioSacral Therapy
Post by Flounder on Feb 18^th, 2004, 2:42am

I have a son (5yrs) with ADHD. I was curious as results anyone may have had with this. Thanks for all input on this.
SHROOMS HAVE TAKEN CARE OF MY CH'S
Sorry if this post has been confusing! :-/

Thanks Jmorgan52, I think if at the very least it relaxes him it's doing some good.

Title: Re: CranioSacral Therapy
Post by floridian on Feb 18^th, 2004, 11:26am

Quote:

Read everything worthwhile to know about this scam at:

http://www.quackwatch.org/

Quackwatch is not an objective source of information. They have an agenda to defend orthodox medical practices, and attack slam chiropractic and anything else they see as unorthodox. Regardless of the evidence. Their criticism of chiropractic did not consider large scale studies by the governments of Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Sweden that found chiropractic is generally safe (but not without risk), and effective for many neck and back conditions. They also ignore data from insurance companies that found concluded that chiropractic leads to patient satisfaction for many conditions, and is cost effective, evidence based medicine.

One book promoted by quackwatch describes MSG as the "most maligned and misunderstood of all food additives" - clusterheads who think it is a trigger must be imagining things. Aspartame is completely safe. Mercury in dental fillings and thimerosal in vaccines can't hurt you, according to quackwatch. The scientific literature on these issues is more complex, but you would not know that from reading quackwatch articles. Just this week, evidence was released in a court case that shows that the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA had confidential discussions where the risks of mercury in vaccines was recognized:

Quote:

"There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest we've got a serious problem."

"My gut feeling? It worries me. I don't want my grandson to get a thimerosal-containing vaccine until we know better what's going on."

"We are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits."

Finally--

"We have asked you to keep this information confidential."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/health/news-article.aspx?storyid=14764

Recently, the Quackwatch team of Barrett and Baratz filed a lawsuit via their corporation the "National Council Against Health Fraud" in an attempt to collect a large sum of money from the homeopathy industry (under a California law covering false advertising). The lawsuit was rejected on all grounds, and the quackwatch affiliated group ended up paying legal costs for both sides. The board of the organization did not know that they were plaintiffs to the suit, and were not happy with the legal action.

I'm not saying that chiropractic helps with clusters (the evidence is pretty strong that it doesn't), and I know little about sacro-cranial therapy. I don't personally have much faith in homeopathy, but think people should make their own choices and I don't see how quackwatch should profit from lawsuits against it. I do know that quackwatch is far from objective, and I don't trust them.

Title: Re: CranioSacral Therapy
Post by jmorgan52 on Feb 19^th, 2004, 1:31am

Many on this board are staunch believers in quackwatch and blindly believe everything it states. Guys like Ueli (sorry Ueli [smiley=laugh.gif] ) in particular. They believe it can only be true if it is "scientific" They decry any form of alternative medicine, especially Chinese medicine, which is held in especially low esteem. The fact that Chinese culture evolved to a very high degree well before Western culture fairly recently overtook it means nothing to them. Billions of Chinese who trust in Chinese medicine can't all be wrong surely?

I was always told that you can never always trust what you read! Quackwatch definately has an ulterior motive. Many therapies, like natural dietary ways to cure cancer (like the Gerson therapy) have been put strongly down in the past by the medical world to protect the mega billion dollar drug industry.

The internet is a great tool for both education and misinformation!

Also, belief and trust is a very strong medicine in itself! Whether that be a belief in Jesus, Mohamed, faith healers, Chinese medicine or whatever (or my Detox diet for that matter ;;D ) If this belief makes the human body produce it's own chemicals or disease fighting mechanism (like a placebo effect), then surely that is a good thing. I say if it works for you do it!

John

Title: Re: CranioSacral Therapy
Post by toader on Feb 28^th, 2004, 9:31pm

Ok, so I fired my Craniosacral therapist. :o

That's right, after all my hootin it up about how great it was, I had one so-so session and then this last session was a total bust! Basically a "lay on hands" ceremony where I was supposed to relax and concentrate on letting the bad spirits float away. Ummm. Yeah. Grrrrr. Basically, gave me a headache and pissed me off.

So, screw that. What works for me? I'm sticking with the once a week back massage - that rocks and kills any shadows before they get going.

Title: Re: CranioSacral Therapy
Post by dannyboy on Mar 1^st, 2004, 8:28am

what an interesting thread!

Who says nothing ever changes around here?!

Title: Re: CranioSacral Therapy
Post by amen on Mar 1^st, 2004, 6:26pm

I had this done on Dec. 13th. One session and have been Ch free since. Coincidence maybe. could have been the end of my cycle since I am episodic. I believe it helped though. Even if is was the end of my cycle, I know the cycle was not completely over because I had a Ch an hour before my appointment. Haven't had one since. I only had to drink a bottle of water when I was done. No numbness, just complete relaxation. I don't know if it's a cure, but if nothing else it's relaxing. I thought it was worth a try. As for ADHD, I don't see how it can help with that. Haven't read anything about it relating to that. Just my [smiley=twocents.gif]
Andrea