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(Message started by: Debby on Jan 30^th, 2004, 4:12am)

Title: cocain to abort?
Post by Debby on Jan 30^th, 2004, 4:12am

>:Am currently in cycle AGAIN and off course that is when we do all our communicating. I know its bad, we should keep in up even out of cycle. Anyway i have just started verapamil as a preventetive so hold thumbs that it works. Am starting a new job on monday and don't want to loose it due to these clusters. I just heard from last night that someone suffering from clusters used to sniff a small amount of cocain when the attack started and it stopped it. Has anyone heard of that? Another thing, when I get a no 8 or up I have a pethedene iv and while iv'ing me the pain goes away. Cant do it too often though. Also if I catch it while it as it starts then a pethedene injection helps as well. I am the only one who has gone this rought? Give me your thoughts. Cant ask the person who used to take cocain for pain as she passed away (not from a overdose) in a car accident.

Title: Re: cocain to abort?
Post by ave on Jan 30^th, 2004, 6:16am

If you are prepared to try cocaine, why not buy some shrooms?

Not addictive, and you need not take a recreative dose.
Look at www.clusterbusters.com

Otherwise, try and get oxygen in a portable bottle. Put it in a closet at the office (in a sports bag) or in teh trunk of your car and take 15 minutes off to inhale.

Hope it helps.

Title: Re: cocain to abort?
Post by jmorgan52 on Jan 30^th, 2004, 7:58am

Cocaine for CH? never thought of that one 8)

I have my doubts as painkillers, no matter how strong cannot kill a kip 10 for me.

The danger if it works for you though is probably getting rapidly addicted to it .

If are prepared to inject something much safer than pethedene then you should imtrex. It is not a painkiller but works great to stop a CH.

John

Title: Re: cocain to abort?
Post by thomas on Jan 30^th, 2004, 8:28am

Coke can kill you, ie heart attack....... I'd use trex before I'd take coke (less expensive) not as hard on the heart.. jeez imagine saying that about trex......I hate trex.

Title: Re: cocain to abort?
Post by floridian on Jan 30^th, 2004, 8:30am

A few people have talked about using some of the other "-caines" like novocaine or lidocaine. Although they are not labeled for that use and might cause problems when snorted (including circulation problems, stroke, etc like cocaine), OTC -caines are considerably cheaper and less addicting. The trick with any of that is getting it to the spot where the pain occurs.

Title: Re: cocain to abort?
Post by Giovanni on Jan 30^th, 2004, 10:20am

Hello,

I agree with Ave, the shrooms are known to abort or to prevent. Much better choice than cocaine.

www.clusterbusters.com

Good luck,

john

Title: Re: cocain to abort?
Post by Prense on Jan 30^th, 2004, 11:15am

on 01/30/04 at 07:58:14, jmorgan52 wrote:

The danger if it works for you though is probably getting rapidly addicted to it .

Bingo!

Title: Re: cocain to abort?
Post by JDH on Jan 30^th, 2004, 11:47am

Cocaine? If you think 'trex is expensive...

Jim

Title: Re: cocain to abort?
Post by BobG on Jan 30^th, 2004, 2:42pm

Let's see......coke

Go to a seedy part of town and find a dealer. Give the dealer your hard earned money and he gives you 'coke'. You try it and it doesn't work because it's powered sugar. That night you have a cluster attack.
Go back to the seedy part of town and hunt down the dealer and accuse him of cheating you. He beats the crap out of you. And that night you have a cluster attack.
Find another dealer. He sells you the real thing. You try it on a cluster attack and it makes things worse and that night you suffer a kip 10.
You think "I'll try one more time".
Back to the seedy part of town you go. You find a 'dealer'. You get your coke and arrested because the 'dealer' is an undercover cop. You go to jail. That night you get a cluster attack.
Next morning you call your boss from jail. Your boss says "You're fired, druggie!"

Let's see....coke
In jail, no job and still getting ch attacks.

Yep. Sounds like something I'd try. 8)

Title: Re: cocain to abort?
Post by Pinkfloyd on Jan 30^th, 2004, 4:10pm

I was prescribed liquid cocaine for clusters (back when the government allowed such things) about 18 years ago. It didn't work any better than lidocaine. It was actually as cheap as lidocaine. It will do nothing other than numb the sinus cavity and if it's in powder form, won't get enough back into the nerve center in the back of the sinus cavity to do any good anyway.
Lidocaine is cheap, liquid, legal and would do a better job, if it would work at all.

Just say no!! ;-)

PF

Title: Re: cocain to abort?
Post by floridian on Jan 30^th, 2004, 4:19pm

This article suggests that coke can cause clusters, or something pretty close to them. Other research has shown that deviated septums and other sinus related problems may be a factor.

Quote:

Oral Surg Oral Med Oral Pathol Oral Radiol Endod. 2000 Sep;90(3):271-4.

Cluster headache and cocaine use.

Penarrocha M, Bagan JV, Penarrocha MA, Silvestre FJ.

Valencia University Medical and Dental School, Spain.

We present 3 patients who had episodes of orofacial pain compatible with cluster headache, the differential diagnosis being established with pulp pain of dental origin. Cocaine inhalation triggered pain in the premolar zone of the upper jaw, followed by spread of pain to the periorbital region on the same side. The pain episodes were very intense and lasted between 30 and 120 minutes. The patients presented conjunctival injection and lacrimation of the affected eye during these episodes. The crises were always unilateral. In one patient, pain shifted sides from one crisis to another within the same symptomatic or cluster period, affecting the side through which the drug was inhaled. Pain usually appeared 1 to 2 hours after cocaine consumption, though it disappeared 5 to 10 minutes after again inhaling the drug. None of our patients acknowledged cocaine consumption at the first visit; drug inhalation was only admitted at subsequent visits, once a degree of confidence had been established with the physician.

Title: Re: cocain to abort?
Post by Debby on Jan 30^th, 2004, 6:56pm

Thanks for all the thoughts. Just a few things. Firstly oxygen does not work for me. Maybe if I take it as i feel a shadow comming on it might work 5 out of 10 times. I know illegal drugs are not the way to go but one just gets so desperate. I am on a medical aid but when joining i made the fatal mistake of telling them i suffer from clusters and depression. They have put me on the medical aid but refuse to pay for anything related to cluster or depresssion for 1 year. As mentioned before, pethedene and (did not mention) imigrain (thats what its called in South Africa) are the only things that will stop an attack. I have tried just about every route. Imigran is more expensive than cocain. We pay between R400.00 and R500.00 for two refills which will abort 4 attacks. Pethedine ends up costing R250.00 odd rand an injection as you can only be injected by a doctor and it all adds up with emergency call out fees and consultation etc. Cocaine costs R250.00 from a dealer for a gram and if used sparingly could possibly abort alot more attacks than an of the above. (that is if it works). Anyway i know imigrain is the best as it is not addictive and you can carry on your normal life after injecting yourself without side effects. Its just the cost thats all. I have actually been stupid going for pethedine cause it has worked out more expensive, is addictive and you cannot go into an office and work after an injection. You know the strange thing in the part of South Africa I come from is I have been asking around for shrooms and just cant seem to get any. I cant understand why coke, acid, ecstacy, cat and all those dangerouse chemical drugs are so easily available but not shrooms. I think imigrain is the best way to go, but as mentioned before, is a bit hard on the heart. I really want to study up on the hypothalamus cause there must be something there that we can find to rectify this problem. If anyone knows of a sight or somewhere where i can get more info on that part of the brain, please let me know. Also, because all the things that work for aborting attacks are bad for a person so they get prescribed sparingly, it makes a person desperate and want to use something that works that you dont have to run to a doctor every time. Oh, and I havent heard of any of the other caines mentioned.

Title: Re: cocain to abort?
Post by BobG on Feb 1^st, 2004, 1:02pm

Here ya go Debby

About the hypothalamus from the OUCH site. Click the link.

http://www.clusterheadaches.org/library/hypothalamus/index.htm

Title: Re: cocain to abort?
Post by Debby on Feb 6^th, 2004, 1:22pm

Thanks a stack for the sight. I printed a whole lot of info last night on the hypothalamus. I was dying to read it but had an attack before logging on and had 3 ml morphine orally. Luckily I caught it just in time and it stops the attack just as it was getting real bad. Took about 20 minutes. That is still too long for if you wake up with an attack cause then you are so far into it the morphine will start working when the cluster ends itself. I am babbling on now going off route but what I wanted to say was because of the morphine I could not read anything as after 3 words I could not focus anymore.

I have started reading but must just get into these medical terms. I think I am going to be a qualified doctor by the end of this.

PFNAD to all