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Title: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by HeadacheReliefBand on Sep 17th, 2003, 10:13pm Does anyone know if Headache Relief is obtainable by wrapping an elastic band around the head? I have seen some sites advertise the use of Elastic Bands as a way to relieve Headaches and wanted to obtain information about this alternative method. http://www.HeadacheReliefBand.com[url][/url] |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by UnsolvedEquation on Sep 18th, 2003, 12:43am It might help CH if you cover the mouth and nose to effectively cut off the air supply. ;D Have you tried a magnetic bracelet too ? Just kiddin' with ya ;D Best Wishes ~ Unsolved ~ |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by Ueli on Sep 18th, 2003, 6:21am That's the homeopathic approach: tension against tension headache. ::) HRB, how about informing yourself what sort of headache sufferers got together on this message board before placing your shameless plug? Even if your elastic band were tinctured in snake oil, it will help clusterheadaches as much as Boji stones or other trash that miserable vultures like you are trying to sell to people in pain. Fuck off! try to sell your spam at other places. |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by HeadacheReliefBand on Sep 18th, 2003, 8:32am Your obviously an educated person.... but have you ever tried this approach? No wonder some people get headaches :-/ Now here is a doctor who has written 8 books and practice medicine for over 20 years. http://www.wholehealthmd.com/hc/migraine/recommends_headbands/1,1642,492,00.html[url][/url] An all I see is you've acomplished is posting great educated messages around 621 times... I ask myself??? Who would you believe. PS: See you in retail stores CVS/Wallgreens/Wal-Mart soon and maybe even on Oprah. Be sure to toon in you just might learn something about headaches! |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by JDH on Sep 18th, 2003, 10:29am a headache relief band? LMMFAO!!! ;D too funny! isn't that one of those things that Mark C found on e-bay? Just when you thought you'd heard everything. on 09/18/03 at 08:32:39, HeadacheReliefBand wrote:
No question about it, I believe Ueli when it comes to CH's and if you had a clue as to what these h/a's are all about, you would too ;) Jim |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by floridian on Sep 18th, 2003, 10:32am I can understand Ueli's reaction - this hasn't been proven in clusters, and it is overtly commercial. The website has the look and feel similar to those selling miracle weight loss products. But pressure to the head might be like applying heat or cold to the head... some people might get symptomatic relief. Certainly, a headband doesn't get to the root problems of cluster headaches. The website had a big emphasis on anecdotes and testimonies, which is often a sign of quackery. But I did surf to a review of a medical article at http://my.webmd.com/content/article/29/1728_65258.htm Atleast some doctors think that pressure is more effective than hot or cold, but those results are from a small study of non-cluster headache patients. My evaluation of the product is somewhat different than Ueli's. I see them as probably safe, reasonably inexpensive, with possible mild to moderate relief for some people. I would say try it if you like, but don't expect any miracles. Maybe the company that markets them could donate a hundred of the units to OUCH or some medical research group to get a more objective review from people who suffer from cluster headaches??? It would be hard to do a fully controlled study, but we could find out if seasoned cluster heads thought they provided real relief. |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by Bob P on Sep 18th, 2003, 10:38am Gotta go with Ueli on this one. Since your e-mail is at the headacheband web site, it is obvious you work for them. To all clusterheads, I give you my word as a 32 year CH sufferer and more of an expert on them than the meegrain doc this guy references, this band won't do anything for clusters. So to the poster of this thread, I also say: FUCK OFF |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by HeadacheReliefBand on Sep 18th, 2003, 11:01am Ah Agreed there are some actual people on this board that have logic... and educated. Floridian or whatever you go by... I would like to donate some to the people you select. All I want in return are real testimonials like the others we have already obtained. Let me know where to send them and how many. Warm Regards, Jon |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by Bob P on Sep 18th, 2003, 11:14am You can infer that I am illogical and uneducated. Somewhat correct on both counts. I, however, will not ask a cluster sufferer to endure a single moment of cluster pain, the worst pain know to humans, to prove that your jock strap doesn't work. Perhaps if you gave OUCH some real scientific evidence of how your strap deals with clusters? What does it do? How does that effect the hypothalamus, serotonin, CGRP, etc.? All those things we uneducated people know are involved with clusters. Perhaps OUCH will consider conducting a trial. For myself, as a founding officer, past president and current member of the board, I will vote no rather than see a clusterhead suffer pain for the sake of this jerks sales quota. |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by BobG on Sep 18th, 2003, 11:32am A while back I had a tension headache so I got a Headache-B-Gone tension band. After wearing it for only 24 hours the headache was gone! Wow. It must have been a miracle. ::) At the time I was also impotent. :( Soooo, I figure if the miracle band works to cure headaches that maybe, just maybe, it can cure this other problem. And it worked. ;D I tightened the tension band around my you-know-what and 48 hours later I was no longer impotent :o because my pecker fell off. :'( |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by Bob P on Sep 18th, 2003, 11:50am and is that why you took up a career as a Vegas showgirl? You're right Bob. I could probably wear this sweatband and within 4 months my clusters would be gone. Sometimes these slimey shitballs really torque my stuff that's torquable (being uneducated I couldn't think of anything to put here). I guess I'm just having a Ueli day. Think I'll cruise the other forums and see if I can find any meegrainers to run off! |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by floridian on Sep 18th, 2003, 12:50pm I am not really in a position to cordinate a study or identify who is a cluster headache sufferer and might want a band. I am isolated from other clusterheads except by the web, and can't really do anything along these lines. Also, rather than just testimonials, I would like to see numbers. Since headaches vary even without any treatment, it is important to do mathematical analysis on possible therapies. Does a treatment really change the number of headaches in a cycle, or the intensities and durations of headaches? Analysis of large groups is the best way to find out. Testimonials may give clues that something is good or bad, but they are often laden with subjective impressions and randomness. By looking at many observations in a controlled way, much of the randomness can be removed and we get a clear picture (scientia). |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by Ueli on Sep 18th, 2003, 12:52pm To Floridian, IMHO a big emphasis on anecdotes and testimonies is a sure-fire sign of quackery. This stuff is often made up on the spot and pure fiction. Even if a few are genuine we have to wonder what's the experience of all the other users; is it a success for them that their ass got slimmer by the loss of money from their wallet? From the site you referenced Quote:
Could be that the slight irritation of a rubber band around the head could distract from a minor hangover. But before I would suffer a untreated cluster attack to test a dubious new gadget I would like a bit more information than provided by dishonest salesperson. PDNADs Ueli |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by Smurf on Sep 18th, 2003, 12:57pm Doesn't work for CHs. Tried it, tried everything(?) -Smurf (Good for tension HA, though) |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by floridian on Sep 18th, 2003, 1:14pm Ueli, I agree with some of what you are saying - your reply to me came in right after my second post. The study I linked to didn't specify the type of headache, but when I read 1-3 hours, it was clear to me that they were not talking about clusters. I am more open to the idea of testimonials and folk cures having something behind them - there is a positive correlation between smoke and fire, but not a 100% causal relation. But you are right that testimonials can be spun from whole cloth and they alone are not proof. Quote:
The idea of a counter-irritant is an old one - maybe similiar to the way that capsaicin or menthol relieves arthritis pain, when clearly these creams don't make it all the way to the inflamed joint. Or maybe it increases endorphins, or .... ..... Maybe its a controlled equivalent of banging one's head on the wall, without the brain damage! Quote:
I think the study had people on meds in addition to the headbands. I would not tell anyone to stop taking their meds without a good reason - that would be cruel. |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by HeadacheReliefBand on Sep 18th, 2003, 2:03pm ::)This board is more entertainment than some of my past movie experiences... That said, you all continue doing what you do best. TALK! I will continue to do what I do best. HELP OTHERS! For those of you who have tried this device it seems funny because when we did a Patent search out of the 66 band type products nothing came close to this. Our Patent on our solution -6k- trade marked -1k- Bar code -1k- and then mass produced -25k- it all takes money fellas. Like Tony Robbins says... WE ALL GET OUR MUSTS WE DON'T GET OUR SHOULDS! ;) :o |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by Ueli on Sep 18th, 2003, 2:40pm HeadacheQuackSalesMan, If I gave you an overall made of a special fabric that makes its wearer resistant to any impact, would you be willing to test it by standing on the road and let you hit by a Mack truck? No? Why not? After all it is exactly the same you ask from us, suffering the worst pain for hours to prove the worthlessness of your rubber bands. As a matter of fact, many a cluster sufferer has thought about ending it once and for all by getting run over by a Mack. BTW, isn't that an oxymoron: All I want in return are real testimonials like the others we have already obtained. Furthermore, I'm glad I'm not sharing your logic and education. This logical and educated moron impost on this board as suffer seeking advice: on 09/17/03 at 22:13:42, HeadacheReliefBand wrote:
But wait! What strange coincidence, the guy's screen name is identical to the website that he plugs and his e-mail address indicates that you can get help from there. This jerk is the most dishonest spammer ever to hit this site. Why don't you get lost and spill your logic elsewhere? Here you will not find one single sucker. |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by Bob P on Sep 18th, 2003, 2:58pm HeadacheJockstrapMan, I really enjoy it when morons like you show up here thinking your dealing some run of the mill headache sufferers on a message board and you'll sell them your wares. When you discover you've stepped into the home of some of the most knowledgable headache people in the world, you turn to making fun of them, which only serves to further show your immaturity and ignorance. What is that, about a 3rd grade protective behavior? The fact of the matter is that you don't know squat about cluster headaches. If you did, you would know better than to ever suggesst your jockstrap as a cure. There really is nothing more pathetic than an ignorant saleman!!!! And in your case, I use the term loosely. A true saleman sells his product from knowledge, with truth and integrety. A scam artist sells his product with lies and ignorance. Guess I'll rephrase myself and say there really is nothing more pathetic than an ignorant scam artist!!!! You're really not going to sell any of your crap here so you probably ought to save yourself a lot of hate e-mail and other disagreeable e-mail items the people will be sending you when the after work group hits this board. |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by Peppermint on Sep 18th, 2003, 3:39pm I know Bob and Ueli don't need any help with blasting you "band guy", but you need help with your sales strategy. It's not exactly a jock strap.....That's a friggin hair accessory you're trying to pass off. I can get one of those for a buck at the .99 store. LMAO. Thanks!! I needed a good belly laugh today, its been a long week. |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by jonny on Sep 18th, 2003, 3:44pm From one jon to another.... Ill leave it at that (Damn!, im losing it) ...............................jonny |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by Bob P on Sep 18th, 2003, 3:54pm Good one jonny. Looks like he's got some of your 'talian blood in him. Maybe we should let Don talk with him. Or maybe Donna since down there in the same state as him. |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by jonny on Sep 18th, 2003, 4:28pm on 09/18/03 at 11:50:56, Bob P wrote:
HEY!!!!...now your stepping on my toes ;D....thats my job damn it!!! ;D You stick to "Woman dont get CH" and we will get along just fine....LOL Jon, I've had chronic CH for 28 years....would you care to send me one of these amazing head thingy's?....FREE jonny po box 1473 Plymouth, Mass 02362 I gave this address to the guy with the boogie stones when he asked for it but never got my boogie stones. Put your head thingy where your mouth is or .... SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! Your call!! .............................jonny |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by Prense on Sep 18th, 2003, 5:53pm Some people will never get it...because of that, I am entertained. ;D |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by andy on Sep 18th, 2003, 7:44pm I dont know anything about headbands, but try this it really works ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D http://pic6.picturetrail.com/VOL154/1008592/1880398/34050780.jpg AFDB http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html ..............andy |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by godsjoy on Sep 18th, 2003, 8:26pm I just had to join in here..... I can get an ace bandage I bought at the dollar tree and tie it tight tight tight around my head with ice gel packs underneath......AND take my meds.... AND suck my oxygen and I'll be fine....BUT......PLEEEEEEEASE don't try and sell your headband to us....... Yes....I bought some book my sister suggested about pain....and some "alloy filled" headband that was supposed to do some magnetic thing.....I slept several nights with that stupid thing around my head.....and the monster painful cluster headache woke me up every night as usual.....OUCH!!!!! I wasted $20.00 and several nights of pain.....Don't ask me to do that again.....OK....There is a testimonial.... My testimony is ......it doesn't work! Karen |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by jonny on Sep 19th, 2003, 10:24pm Head thingy is online....watch for its latest post.....LOL |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by Prense on Sep 19th, 2003, 10:28pm Sweet...finally some entertainment! ;D |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by Elaine on Sep 20th, 2003, 11:33pm I had a guy write me wanted me to let him advertise this on HSG! He said he sold many to Wal-Mart! I wrote the guy back and told him. I WILL tell you what , you send me 4 of them free of charge and I will give them out to some friends to try and I will try it, if it helps. I will bust my ass to help push them. He wrote back, said yea he would send me four in a 4 to 6 weeks when he got his next shipment in and he expected my help. Well as I EXPECTED I never recieved the four and never heard any more from him and its been well over 8 weeks now LOL! |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by 5-string on Sep 21st, 2003, 11:54am You have no personal info,no e-mail address(I mean YOUR e-mail address)Hmmmmmm..Too bad for you. Greed is a terrible thing sir. Have you no deciency whatsoever? I'm sure you will make money for your company off this.people like you always do. But I accept it because people like you are a nessesary bi-product of capitalism. Kind of like a big old nasty,stinking shit after a really good meal. Good luck in your after life. ...Mark.. |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by FrankF on Sep 21st, 2003, 1:46pm Quote:
I recommend wearing it as tight around you neck as is possible. Guaranteed to make your headache go away. |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by stevegeebe on Sep 21st, 2003, 7:42pm Well said Mark,...on all points. Steve G |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by UnsolvedEquation on Sep 21st, 2003, 11:03pm LOL...Could you imagine this 'jockstrap' seller walking into a CH or OUCH convention trying to push this item ? Have any idea what might happen to him? -Proud to have been the first to laugh at his 'item'- !! ;D |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by Bob P on Sep 22nd, 2003, 8:36am Here's the guys info, note that he just created the website in June of this year: Organization: Capriola Corp. Jon Capriola PO Box 22003 Sarasota, Fl 34276 US Phone: 941-555-2111 Email: jonnycme@hotmail.com Registrar Name....: Register.com Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com Domain Name: HEADACHERELIEFBAND.COM Created on..............: Fri, Jun 20, 2003 Expires on..............: Sun, Jun 20, 2004 Record last updated on..: Thu, Sep 11, 2003 Administrative Contact: Capriola Corp. Jon Capriola PO Box 22003 Sarasota, Fl 34276 US Phone: 941-555-2111 Email: jonnycme@hotmail.com Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Register.Com Domain Registrar 575 8th Avenue - 11th Floor New York, NY 10018 US Phone: 902-749-2701 Fax..: 902-749-5429 Email: domain-registrar@register.com Domain servers in listed order: NS.VALUEWEB.NET 216.219.253.211 NS2.VALUEWEB.NET 216.219.254.10 |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by Smurf on Sep 22nd, 2003, 12:17pm Way to go Ueli - this guy/gal is a shameless hussy. Good call on the "oh-I'm-just-a-CH-newbie-and-was-just-wondering..." bullshit Shame on you Mr. RubberBand Man! >:( -Smurf P.S. Are you sure his name isn't "Jon CRAPOLA"???? |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by stevegeebe on Sep 22nd, 2003, 12:18pm Crap-ola Corp? |
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Title: Re: Headache Relief Drug Free??? Post by vig on Sep 22nd, 2003, 12:56pm Is it the Interstate Commerce Commission that deals with fraud of this type? We have his name and address. We have his attempt to con sick people IN WRITING. Is there anything else we need? |
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