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(Message started by: KenB on Jul 17^th, 2003, 5:31am)

Title: Reiki
Post by KenB on Jul 17^th, 2003, 5:31am

Hi All,

Just did a search for Reiki on the message boards and it came back with nothing :-[ .

Has anyone had any experience of it in relation to CH's?

Thanks,

Ken

Title: Re: Reiki
Post by BobG on Jul 17^th, 2003, 7:35am

What (or Who) is Reiki?

I don't remember ever hearing about it?

Title: Re: Reiki
Post by KenB on Jul 17^th, 2003, 8:04am

http://www.reiki.org/FAQ/Questions&Answers.html

Title: Re: Reiki
Post by Ueli on Jul 17^th, 2003, 8:10am

Reiki is some sort of needle-less acupuncture. It bends the "life force energy" back into whack by the right sort of relaxation technique.
(Relax enough and your clusters are gone, or not?)

Title: Re: Reiki
Post by ozzman on Jul 17^th, 2003, 2:42pm

If my memory serves me correctly a bunch of years ago my then girlfriend (now wife) was attending a certification course on Reiki. Ueli as always is right, however a better description would be touch therapy with or without touching to open up the chakras and let the lifeforce flow back or some BS like that.
Of course they claim to cure even cancer (remission anyone?)

I try to be open minded I even disagree with some of the stuff on Quackwatch, but i use that site for ammo ALL the time. Quackery and the stuff I've seen people get into, the damage, psychological, monetary and plaiu bulshit that desperate, lost people fall for, just drives completely and absolutely nuts. Like I said I have personal and first hand knowledge with most of this New Age crap.

My only advice is research, research, research, research and when you are pretty confident you have your mind made up research some more. Don't buy the company line. don't trust them anymore than you would trust a used car saleman, a street jeweller selling authentic rolexes.

I won't write any more beacause I might actually vent and rant.

Ozzy -- the anti-quack

Title: Re: Reiki
Post by KenB on Jul 18^th, 2003, 2:51am

Hmmm - didn't take too long for the cynics to come out against an "alternative" option. Either of you actually tried Reiki? Maybe there are people out there who would appreciate a treatment that doesn't involve popping, injecting or inhaling for the rest of their lives. Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying Reiki is the answer - but it's certainly something I'm prepared to explore - I reckon the drug companies have enough money (and I'm a capitalist! ???) and even with all the drugs out there we're all still suffering. Please - open your minds.

Title: Re: Reiki
Post by cleon on Jul 18^th, 2003, 5:22am

I've tried it Ken, and more than once.
It didnt stop the attacks, but it did clear my head - (settled down the pressure that builds up during a cycle) I felt much clearer and not half as stressed.
The comment made by the Reiki Master (try to find a Master if you are going to try it) was that there was 'no energy coming from the inflicted side'
I actually had two working on me at the same time, with the Master concentrating on my head area and I could feel her energy. They seem to have the ability to radiate their energy through their hands.
Well worth a shot!

Title: Re: Reiki
Post by cleon on Jul 18^th, 2003, 5:24am

Title: Re: Reiki
Post by ozzman on Jul 18^th, 2003, 7:19am

Ken,
As I mentioned earlier, I may be a skeptic. But I give things the benefit of the doubt. Contrary to what you say, or as, I HAVE tried it, not just for CH's but, common cold, lower back pain, partial muscle tears, etc. BTW it was a Reiki Master working on me. I

f you want to try some "alternative" method look for Charlie's circulatory technique, or try the water method, or oxygen (drug companies have nothing to do with it). But don't give the standard bullshit line about greedy capitalists, and evil drug companies. If you choose to waste your money on any "alternative"treatment, go ahead, it's your money and your pain. When you can't take it anymore listen to your neurologist.

Ozzy

Title: Re: Reiki
Post by BobG on Jul 18^th, 2003, 7:31am

Thanks for the web address Ken.

After reading the answer to the first question I have to say.

Thanks but no thanks. I'll pass on this one.

Title: Re: Reiki
Post by KenB on Jul 18^th, 2003, 7:32am

on 07/18/03 at 07:19:52, ozzman wrote:

But don't give the standard bullshit line about greedy capitalists, and evil drug companies.

What standard bullshit line? I AM a capitalist. The distinction I'd rather highlight between drug companies, doctors, neurolgists etc. and "alternative" therapies is that the "alternative" therapies at least attempt to figure out the cause of the problem rather than throwing drugs at the symptoms. It's well documented that the exact mechanism that causes a CH is unknown - so how can there be a drug that treats it?

As I said earlier - open your mind

Title: Re: Reiki
Post by ozzman on Jul 18^th, 2003, 7:44am

Ken,
it seems you are the thick headed one. Let's recap one last time for the slow on the intake:

1. I took the training along with my girlfriend (with an open mind out of love and respect for her) I even have the certificate!

2. I was "treated" on different occasions for various ailments (muscular, neurological, respiratory, etc)

3. It didn't work and I was that much poorer.

I suggest that do some research on the OUCH site you may actually learn something on your own.

Tell me you're cured, with Reiki (not just treating your symptoms, like traditional medicine, as you said) when you don't have any more CH's for 5 or more years. Tell Reiki cures when its results are submitted to double blind controlled trials, not just anecdotal evidence.

Like I said before, it's your pain

Ozzy

Title: Re: Reiki
Post by KenB on Jul 18^th, 2003, 7:56am

You can dry your eyes now (and there was me thinking that CH sufferers had a high pain threshold - I didn't think you'd be so sensitive). The "open your mind" comment wasn't personal - it was a general request. You've tried it - it didn't work. Good for you. Many have tried Immigran, Verapmil, Prednisone etc. and it hasn't worked for them - blind controlled trials or not. Don't feel obliged to cut down every thoery you disagree with - it leaves an awful clutter on the message boards.

Title: Re: Reiki
Post by K-MAN on Jul 18^th, 2003, 7:36pm

Ken,

I have tried reiki with good results. I was "worked on" by a reiki master that I know personally, and she is very experieinced with this type of healing method. She was able to actually stop an attack cold by simply placing her hands on me in various places along my forehead down to my lower abdomen. It took about a half hour to get the desired result and eliminate pain. The technique is useful. It doesn't make sense to most people in the West, especially doctors.

Asian cultures have a different view of medicine. They believe that our bodies are complex energy systems. The concept is that if the energy gets out of balance then disease occurs. This is considered to be the case for simple colds as well as painful ailments such as cluster headache. The reiki techniques are an attempt to balance the energy.

The reiki did not stop a cluster cycle, but it was good for aborting a cluster attack. My friend works on me for free since she knows how much pain I'm in. Her hands get VERY hot when she does this. You might get similar results, but I would be wary of imposters or quacks. It can be expensive, but it may be worth it to you. Give it a try and see. No drugs!

K-MAN

Title: Re: Reiki
Post by vig on Jul 23^rd, 2003, 10:50am

They do double blind tests to rule out the placebo effect. If you 'believed' she could lessen your pain with 'this', then YOU probably fixed yourself and not the shamanistic mumbo jumbo.

The power was in YOUR mind, not hers.

Title: Re: Reiki
Post by K-MAN on Jul 23^rd, 2003, 3:04pm

Maybe.

Title: Re: Reiki or alternative med
Post by godsjoy on Jul 24^th, 2003, 9:57pm

I've never heard of Reiki but my sister gets acupuncture for various pains......She was an ultra marathon runner and tri athlete when she was younger and has really bad knees...She goes to the Chinese Medical college and gets cheap treatments....and she says it works....She gave me a web address to the Pain Research Center where I ordered a silver headache band.....Only $20.00....The guy doesn'e seem to be trying to milk the public for a buck.....I HATE INSURANCE COMPANIES that think they are God and play God with the amount of pills you are allowed per month.....AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHS! Anyway...It does seem right to me that God made our bodies to be "fixed" in a more simple way....I did try magnets for water on the knee one time and got rid of it in 24 hours....I'll let you know how it works when it comes in the mail....Blessings....Karen ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Reiki
Post by vig on Jul 25^th, 2003, 11:29am

"I ordered a silver headache band.....Only $20.00.."

Sometimes donations to the needy are OK. I hope it was for fashion and not for pain relief.

Magnets are good too!

Title: Re: Reiki
Post by NotH20 on Jul 25^th, 2003, 1:13pm

A friend of ours does Reiki - probably not a Master, but performed this on me for something totally unrelated to ch's the last time she was in town. Did nothing for me altough she did experience the hot sensation in her hands as well.... ???

Mia