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Title: Mushrom Liquor Post by drkarlb on Jul 12th, 2003, 11:53pm Stephen Peele of Florida Mycology Research Center gives us this method of preservation (and rapid delivery?) from "TEO: The International Journal of Psychoactive Mushrooms" How To Make "Mushroom Liqueur" This is an excellent way to capture the taste, essential oils, and all other compounds in any mushroom. The "Mushroom Liqueur" has many uses. It can be used to extract medicinal properties in cases of Maitake and Shiitake and provide one with an end product that just about meets pharmaceutical grade! It can also be used to capture that special taste of your favorite mushroom like Morels or Chanterelles. Just add the amount of "Mushroom Liqueur" right for your taste. Leave dish on low heat and uncovered for just a short time. This will distil off the alcohol, leaving everything else in the dish, just as it was in the mushroom. It is unknown how long "Mushroom Liqueur" will hold and keep in original state, all of the mushroom compounds. "Mushroom Liqueur" held at room temperature for 5 and ½ years, still held fast all mushroom compounds. This was a sample made from Psilocybe cubensis. No change in "activeness" was noted. It is possible that whatever the time limit would be, this could be increased by refrigerating or freezing. If you wish to prepare standards for Spectrophotometers, and use these cells to identify species of mushrooms, use Reagent Grade Ethanol instead of Rum or other whiskey. Take 1 pint Bacardi Rum (375ml), you may select other brands or types of liquor, but keep the alcohol content at least 40% (80 proof) or better. If a clear type is used, and mushrooms contain Psilocybin/Psilocin, it may be bluish after the process, even if no spores are present or other mushroom colors. If wild mushrooms, or mushrooms bought at the store are used, this will make the end color very dark in most cases. The mushroom spores will cause this. A black tint from Panaeolus species, Purple-black from Psilocybe species, Brown from Agaricus species, and so on. Supplies Needed: One Pint Bacardi Rum. 600 grams fresh mushrooms (fresh will always work better, but if dried mushrooms are used, use 60 grams). A large glass vessel that will hold the mushrooms plus the pint of Bacardi Rum. This vessel must have a cap that will seal tight. A strainer of some type. Slice mushrooms up in ¼ inch long pieces (breakup dried mushrooms). Try not to make small pieces or powder up dried mushrooms. The Rum will extract just fine without having small pieces. Having no small particles will make the filtering easier. Place sliced mushrooms in vessel, add Rum, seal with cap. Shake gently to insure mushrooms are in contact with Rum. Let stand one day. Open, and with a wooden spoon, or something similar, mash the mushrooms and stir them around. Seal back cap. Do this for two more days. On the 5th day, pour out the solution through a strainer. Squeeze out slices of mushrooms to get what they are still holding. Place "Mushroom Liqueur" in a bottle that has a good sealing cap. Make any notes, date, and other remarks on a label attached to the bottle. This way you can identify each batch of "Mushroom Liqueur" you make. Also be aware that making "Mushroom Liqueur" with mushrooms that contain controlled substances such as Psilocybin/Psilocin, may be illegal in many areas, USA, even in some areas where there are no laws on the possession of fresh said type mushrooms. Also be aware that the 1 pint rum and 600 grams of mushrooms used here will yield around a 12 dosage bottle, when Psilocybe cubensis is used. |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by ave on Jul 13th, 2003, 9:57am I seriously doubt clusterheads will get anything good out of this liqueur. Alcohol is a trigger for most of us! Even boiled off it will affect some sufferers. Moreover we don't "do shrooms" for the heck of it. We do it because it may for a while cure incredible headaches. Best way for us: shroom tea at a third of a recreational dose! |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by drkarlb on Jul 13th, 2003, 10:08am That's intersting because a cluster sufferer once wrote that he specifically used a dose of alcohol with his mushroom tea? Not all triggers are the same for all sufferers.... I think you take a misguided offence about dosing though, I guess I took it for granted that anyone (adult/sane) would adjust for themselves according to thier own dose? I also think you exhibit a bit of the "sham eliza doolittle ghetto morality" with your stab at any other users besides clusterheads, and I doubt your sentence of "useless to most" is true at all. It's a shame that you think your personal medical justification is superior to any other. Good luck gaining sympathy with that attitude. I am glad the treatment is working for you and I do sincerely suggest that a hallucinogenic dose might help to un-wedge that big phony hippocritical stick from your butt? |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by drkarlb on Jul 13th, 2003, 10:10am <<Best way for us: shroom tea at a third of a recreational dose!>> Best way for you - others have to work out thier own posology (dosing), I have learned that much. The protocol is very helpful but also flexible. |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by HypnoticFreddy on Jul 13th, 2003, 11:44am If alcohol isn't a trigger, then you DO NOT suffer from CHs period. |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by Ted on Jul 13th, 2003, 11:45am I don't think she took misguided offense to anything. I can't see anywhere where it even looks like she had. You, on the other hand, took misguided offense to her attempt to educate a fool like you. You're here to prove you're right and not to help anyone: "That's intersting because a cluster sufferer once wrote that he specifically used a dose of alcohol with his mushroom tea?" A sufferer once wrote? Most clusterheads do find alcohol to be a trigger. But to cover your sorry ass for looking the fool you mention one person who did something once. Bad news. You didn't cover anything. You put in quotes something about her saying "useless to most." She never used those words. She used that idea and I suspect that you kind of sort of remembered that and thought those were her words exactly. But didn't make the minor effort to double check. That's no big deal, but it shows your laziness and lack of desire/ability to double check facts. You have no credibility here at all. And in one of your posts you claim to be a doctor. If you're a medical doctor I hope you have a LOT of malpractice insurance with that relaxed attitude to know your facts. I'm just curious. Would you like a special invitation to get the fuck out of here or can you figure out that after attacking Ave, one of the more knowledgable and helpful people here concerning CH and one of the more pleasant people here too, that you are not welcome anymore? |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by drkarlb on Jul 13th, 2003, 11:53am I am leaving the thread. Look at what is in here! (pew!) <<I seriously doubt clusterheads will get anything good out of this liqueur. Alcohol is a trigger for most of us!>> <<But to cover your sorry ass for looking the fool you mention one person who did something once. Bad news. You didn't cover anything. >> look - take it or leave it but spare me the "sorry ass" righteous martyr bit. <<You have no credibility here at all.>> Where besides here do you have any? <<I'm just curious. Would you like a special invitation to get the fuck out of here or can you figure out that after attacking Ave>> I think she attacked me first sport <<If you're a medical doctor I hope you have a LOT of malpractice insurance with that relaxed attitude to know your facts. >> Now you are just ranting to rant - don't worry, I think I'll be fine. You all be careful out there with your legal risks too sport.... |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by Roxy on Jul 13th, 2003, 11:53am I'm not quite as eloquent as Ted, so I'll just respond with a really big..... DITTO WHAT TED SAYS!! |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by drkarlb on Jul 13th, 2003, 12:10pm It was only posted for those who wanted to read it and because of the questions put forth about preservation and rapid delivery systems for patients - no one told you to do anything and I thought you had minds of your own. I'm not used to writing to a non-professional audience and won't anymore. Who would? |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by forgetfulnot on Jul 13th, 2003, 12:11pm For the record Dr. Goadsby sez "Patients should be advised to abstain from alcohol during the cluster bout. Otherwise, dietary factors seem to have little importance in CH." Running for cover, lee |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by Roxy on Jul 13th, 2003, 12:25pm drkarlb, I thought the post was an interesting read, but you were rude to ave, when she was just stating what all clusterheads know. I think that posting on this board that..... Quote:
isn't quite a professional attitude. Quote:
You seem to do pretty damn good at it. |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by Ueli on Jul 13th, 2003, 12:41pm on 07/12/03 at 23:53:16, drkarlb wrote:
on 07/13/03 at 12:10:12, drkarlb wrote:
Drkarlb, did you have a bad batch of shrooms for breakfast? |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by Flash on Jul 13th, 2003, 2:26pm Please may I step into the flames! First off am I not correct in thinking that alcohol is not a trigger for absolutely everyone? It is however a trigger for me. Having said that I always consume alcohol with my shrooms - even during an episode. I find that the shrooms completely remove any alcohol induced CH's. This is also an interesting way to see the effect of the shrooms. Consume the alcohol about 30mins prior to the shrooms - time it just right and the shrooms will blow off the headache. I am probably the guy drkarlb was referring to. In that case he's done his homework. Also I think this method of preservation is an excellent one, especially for us between episodes when alcohol has no adverse effect on any of us. And... as I have been going blue in the face telling people, dosing between episodes is (at least in my case) far more effective than dosing at any time during the episode. So this whole nonsense of being sensitive to alcohol is not an altogether valid point. I like this idea because it's quick, easy, requires no specialised chemicals or equipment, and there is less chance of getting caught, since you get rid of most of the evidence. Use an amber coloured rum - being a publican I'd recommend Appleton Special - and it won't even noticably change colour. For those of us that gather their shrooms fresh it is ideal. In fact I think I posted a similar message to drkarlb not that long ago and I didn't get my ass flamed. drkarlb may or may not be a Doctor of Medicine, since, fucking Chiropractic, pharmacology - who knows? I may be a 13 year old eskimo girl for all any of you know. You don't even have my picture. That's just the way of the Internet, as is jumping down someone's throat. I know I do it all the time. In fact I'm worse than you 6, except maybe for Ted ;) Also some of the biggest idiots I've ever met have been Dr's of some sort, and some of the brightest haven't, so who gives a shit? The guy knows about mushrooms, that's for sure. Drkarlb's original text had nothing shitty in it. Ave's had one shitty sentence. Since then it's reached gutter level. Grow the fuck up. All of us! Flash |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by splittin_head on Jul 13th, 2003, 2:32pm ::)ok moron first off there are no professional doctors in this mest up world. cause if there were we would have no pain to go through. they are all practicing. they know no more than what they are taught.. only a genious nows it all and somtimes they can be airheads..and if you new anything about the pain we suffer from you would be here to help us not make fun at us.. if i were smart enough to be a doctor i would try and find a cure or a good pill for ch...and make big dough. but im not im just a broke hillbilly. trying to live day by day with the ch pain .... ::)so have a good day goober and leave us the hell alone... |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by Flash on Jul 13th, 2003, 2:57pm Heh heh. Don't say you weren't warned numbnuts. So medicine isn't a profession? And a Dr of ANYTHING (astronomy, pharmacology, necrophilia, dogsex, whatever) is just practicing. And WOW apparently you've cured me since I no longer know anything about the pain you suffer. Even though I've had it for the last 17 years. Oh my heart bleeds for your suffering. Not. Actually I couldn't give a shit. There are people out there far worse off than us. We got it easy, unless we choose otherwise, lie down and figure out how to get on medi-care, or whatever the fuck your welfare state is called. Personally I'm not into that. If you knew anything then you'd know that this thread is in fact about that very pill that you'd like us to make. What's more even a broke hillbilly can afford it cos it's totally fuckin free. Furthermore... NEWS FLASH: Most of the other people that responded to this thread have at least tried to treat themselves with mushrooms. Some with a great deal of sucess. If you don't like the topic, then go read some other fuckin thread and leave us the fuck alone. Goober. Flash |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by forgetfulnot on Jul 13th, 2003, 6:03pm I think flash is right on this one, after reviewing the good Doctors last ten posts there seems to be no intent to sell snake oil or mislead anyone. Ave, Ueli and Ted have overreacted to a post that had nothing but good intentions. Have at it kid’s I’v been there B-4. Lee |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by Ted on Jul 13th, 2003, 6:13pm Who said he was selling anything , Lee? He was very rude to Ave because he took it as a personal assault that Ave dared to inform him about our condition, triggers (not mine since alcohol isn't one of mine anymore since the first time I did shrooms for treatment) and treatment with shrooms. So, in his style, I corrected him where he was wrong. The initial post had good intentions. It was his defensiveness leading to being an a$$hole that brought about his replies. Did it really take you two reads and a background check to see he wasn't selling anything in his first post? :-) |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by forgetfulnot on Jul 13th, 2003, 6:52pm Ted, you are right about his response. Not what we need here, however he say's he doesn't have clusters. So is he having a bad day? I don't know. Why is he here, I don't know. Doe's he know anything that might help us, I don't know. But I will listen to anyone, anytime if there is a chance some good will come of it. This guy, Dr., may have some info for us, we can kick his ass off the board or listen a little longer. Surely it is up to the general population, not a select few. Is he selling anything, I could not find it, maybe you could point it out to me. Lee |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by HypnoticFreddy on Jul 13th, 2003, 7:23pm When I am in a CH cycle, alcohol gives me a clusterheadache within 5 min of consumption, of any amount of alcohol. I stand by my words. A true CH victim knows that even a few sips of a beer or otherwise will trigger a CH. And from my little experience with mushrooms, I seem to remember its effects taking almost an hour to kick in. -HypnoticFreddy |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by BillyJ. on Jul 13th, 2003, 8:06pm on 07/13/03 at 11:44:50, HypnoticFreddy wrote:
Tell that to Jonny!!(go ahead I dare ya!! LOL) Manners,insults,offense aside weather real or percieved,I can see a couple of useful points here, 1-Storage time! 5 years WOW! 2-dose amount,I would rather swallow a half or quarter shot of this "Mushroom Liqueur" than choke down a cup of ,IMHO,NASTY tasting tea. 3-12 recreational doses=24-48 clusterhead doses all from one batch,therefor possibly making it easier to get the same dose every time without accidentaly taking more than you want or expected to take. Pain free wishes to all, Billy |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by Ueli on Jul 13th, 2003, 9:17pm on 07/13/03 at 18:03:51, forgetfulnot wrote:
Overreacted? Lee, could you tell us your definition of this word? The only one that overreacted was drkarlb, more than that, his conceit shot him into orbit. There is a lot of complaining on this board how some newbies get driven away from the beginning. But don't 'discussions' à la mode of drkarlb, and other expert 'stand up guy's, contribute to that? As to 'not selling anything': Let's say, not yet. Maybe you noticed that his home page does not exactly show pictures of his kids and dog. PFNADs Ueli |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by forgetfulnot on Jul 13th, 2003, 9:24pm By the way Ted this is perfect. Quote:
Going down for the count, Lee |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by forgetfulnot on Jul 13th, 2003, 9:33pm Ok Ueli, here we go again, sorry but the point has already been made, if you don't get it I will go into hibernation as my European brothers don't seem to get it. Lee |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by Marc on Jul 13th, 2003, 9:54pm Hey HypnoticFreddy, You are of course free to stand by your opinion: "If alcohol isn't a trigger, then you DO NOT suffer from CHs period". This statement is not based in reality. I don't doubt that it's quite true for you and for most episodic sufferers. It is definitely not the case for all CH sufferers. Marc |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by Ted on Jul 13th, 2003, 9:58pm on 07/13/03 at 18:52:23, forgetfulnot wrote:
Surely it's up to him and not a few or the general population. ::) on 07/13/03 at 18:52:23, forgetfulnot wrote:
on 07/13/03 at 18:13:41, Ted wrote:
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by forgetfulnot on Jul 13th, 2003, 10:03pm [quoteWho said he was selling anything , Lee? ...Did it really take you two reads and a background check to see he wasn't selling anything in his first post? ][/quote] Sorry Ted, I mis read that :'( |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by forgetfulnot on Jul 13th, 2003, 10:09pm Howerver, after all of this BS, could we allow someone with a diferent mindset post some different ideas? Closed minds are doomed. Lee checking shit out. ;D |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by Flash on Jul 14th, 2003, 1:45pm Can we get back on topic now? I for one believe this method of storage and consumption should be the primary choice ahead of drying. To save scrolling back up through endless flame, the good points that the original post made were (something like): 1) Easy to do. No special skills, tools, or materials required. 2) Leaves less evidence. Easier to hide. 3) Lasts a long time. I still recommend storage in the dark though, freezing should also be good - booze dosen't actually freeze, but storage in the dark confines of the freezer should keep everything in tip top condition. 4) Alcohol trigger should be nothing to worry about, the quantity ingested is small (although we all know that virtually anything bigger than a molecule is too much) and will leave the body 1 hour later (based on my fuck all knowledge on the theory of drink driving). The placating effect of the shrooms, possibly due to their mild vascular constricting nature should easy keep things in check for that time period. In my case this works fine. Tested it many times, including a few months back. Does anyone have anything constructive to add, or at least a non-flammible comment? Flash |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by jminmilwaukee on Jul 14th, 2003, 2:43pm I understand the concept but 600 G's of fresh seems like a lot to have onhand to make this (unless you live in a climate that they grow wild). I also understand dried works well but what about adding fresh mush to a bottle of rum "slowly" over a several month period and then straining? Might be uselfull to those who have small farms. Also, for those who may not partake in the "drink", you know...on the wagon as they say....any good alternative liquids for storage? Sounds to me like a great way to store up on your dosage, just don't forget which bottle when ye inlaws show up for a cocktail!?! jmin |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by Ted on Jul 14th, 2003, 2:51pm on 07/14/03 at 13:45:53, Flash wrote:
Yes Flash. Will this do? ;) on 07/13/03 at 14:57:46, Flash wrote:
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by forgetfulnot on Jul 14th, 2003, 3:56pm I never saw a cat fight between 2 guy's ::) |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by BillyJ. on Jul 14th, 2003, 5:01pm LMAO on 07/14/03 at 14:43:25, jminmilwaukee wrote:
At least it might make the inlaws more interesting!! As for the alcoholic aspect,if heated "Leave dish on low heat and uncovered for just a short time. This will distil off the alcohol, leaving everything else in the dish" 600grams fresh is a lot but not unreasonable(IMHO) that's about equal to 60g dried,a friend of a friend got 35g dried first flush from ten cakes.I see no reason why they could not be stored fresh frozen until you had 600g.This is just an idea,I may be wrong! |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by oldmush on Jul 15th, 2003, 12:06am <<As for the alcoholic aspect,if heated "Leave dish on low heat and uncovered for just a short time. This will distil off the alcohol, leaving everything else in the dish">> I just thought that someone who wasn't used to working with medicines ought to remember to be careful with the idea of heating alcohol at all, and the way we made stuff like that when I was in school was by leaving it in the pan and hanging the hair dryer way above it (so it blew the warm air to evaporate without heating the extract at all) That makes it go real fast and you don't have all that danger of fire. Also, it works just as good with ten grams as with 600, you just use barely enough alcohol to cover and saturate them good. You do the math the same way; whatever you have left in ml/cc divided by what you put in = gm per cc/ml etc. (does that make sense?) The more you dry it, the more concentrated your "liquer" and the less you might use.... (1gm/1ml? lotta drying....) Honey is the only other long term keeper I know that doesn't require a complex sterilization and vehicle kind of lab thing (but Albert Hoffman used alcohol...) Just with honey you would have a longer wait for onset I'd think? There are a lot of approaches with these but not all of them seem to have features that would serve y'all? ok - just a thought about mushooms! God bless! |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by splittin_head on Jul 16th, 2003, 4:57pm hey flash ;)i was talking to the dud that started this thread ot u chill animal... ::) |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by Flash on Jul 17th, 2003, 2:44am LOL. Goober! 8) |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by Patrick_A on Jul 17th, 2003, 10:42am Where can i find the mushrooms? What do they look like? Can i buy them from someone? Will someone sell some to me? Patrick |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by HypnoticFreddy on Jul 17th, 2003, 8:43pm you can find shrooms at most Phish shows. Or perhaps some other hippy-type rock fest goin on this summer. -HypnoticFreddy |
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Title: Re: Mushrom Liquor Post by Pinkfloyd on Jul 17th, 2003, 11:21pm on 07/17/03 at 10:42:46, Patrick_A wrote:
www.clusterbusters.com For informational purposes only! pf |
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