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(Message started by: jacowo on May 13^th, 2003, 3:42pm)

Title: Oxygen tablets
Post by jacowo on May 13^th, 2003, 3:42pm

Ok, my co-worker has cluster headaches and the docs put him on verapamil, depakote and imitrex - but it's messed him up bad. He can't walk straight, he's had incidents where he passed out, and serious nausea.

So now he's talking about dropping the drugs altogether and taking oxygen tablets as a preventive. I've never heard of oxygen tablets and I'm deeply worried that he's bought something over the web that could hurt him.

Any information would be helpful.

Title: Re: Oxygen tablets
Post by tommyD on May 13^th, 2003, 3:56pm

Oxygen tablets will do nothing to abort or prevent cluster attacks.

The idea is to get O2 into the bloodstream. To get there, the O2 must be a gas, and must go through the lungs. O2 tablets will release O2 gas, but there's no way to get the O2 into your blood through the gastrointestinal tract.

And some say, and there's a study that seems to back this up, that it's not the oxygen itself that aborts a cluster attack, it's the inhalation of cold gas that does the trick. Ordinary air, if it's chilled, will do just as well as O2. But a lot of folks around here disagree with that....

-tommyD

Title: Re: Oxygen tablets
Post by Not4Hire on May 13^th, 2003, 4:24pm

...I'm sure that Ueli will respond to this scam (and has in the past, I believe) .......

...My *spin* on this is that the body absorbs oxygen thru the LUNGS and only the lungs.... that's why o2 treatment is so effective for CH..... i seriously doubt that these pills add any o2 to the body....

...and o2 is an ABORTIVE, not a preventive.... search the archives and try this link:
http://www.maplefallswebdesign.com/misc/oxygen/oxygen.htm

Good luck....Steve(N4H)

Title: Re: Oxygen tablets
Post by BobG on May 13^th, 2003, 4:39pm

Look in the archives (about one page back from this one) “An Oxygen Alternative?” started by anthem on April 20, 2003.

Title: Re: Oxygen tablets
Post by Tom on May 13^th, 2003, 5:49pm

Ignorants, Oxygen Tablets are absolutely useful - that what's good for fishes and worms can't be useless for CHeads !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Got to thinking about oxygen tablets. Are they only good for shipping fish or are there other good uses for them? What are they and how do they work?

adder
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Title: Re: Oxygen tablets
Post by Ueli on May 13^th, 2003, 6:39pm

That oxygen in pill form or dissolved in some magic water can be nothing than a shameless scam is easily shown by a little calculation:
32 gram of O₂ (1 mol) take up a volume of 22.4 liter. Therefore, 1 gram of O₂ can fill 0.7 liter, the amount in 3.5 liter of air, about 2 breaths. So, to supplement the oxygen from breathing by a significant amount you had to swallow such a pill every minute. Add to this that it is very doubtful that it may be absorbed through the intestines, but some people are willing to believe anything as long as it doesn't come from a doctor :(. Gaseous oxygen in the guts, together with the methane produced there, would give a nice explosive mixture ;D.
Some people swallow oxygen since it passes directly to the liver and there it cleanses some dangerous toxins (at least that is the sales argument of the quacks).

Conclusion: Oxygen pills are about as helpful against CH as M&M's, but much more expensive.

It's about time that I lose some harsh words over the 'researchers' of the Institute for Human and Machine Cognition, University of West Florida, see here (http://link.springer-ny.com/link/service/journals/10194/bibs/2003001/20030033.htm) or here (http://www.clusterheadaches.org/library/medications/O2.htm#Cold) (what do they know about CH anyway?). First, we don't know how they applied the oxygen, by those nose cannulas? Then 6 clusterheads using oxygen and 8 using cold air is an extremely small sample. How many attacks where treated? Only one each? If several for each clusterhead, why didn't each test person try both treatment? To state for 8 cases something like "significantly higher" for one outcome than the other is stretching statistical rules a bit too far for my taste. These people should first try to "cognize" themselves. Publish or Perish.....

IMHO, oxygen works in this way: Since the brain regulates the amount of oxygen it receives to a close tolerance, it sends a command to constrict the arteries when very oxygen rich blood arrives, the same constriction that is caused by triptans.
When breathing cold air, it has warmed up anyway when it reaches the lung, so there is not more oxygen available. Its chilling effect on the airways may be helpful for people who overheat during an attack, in the same way as a bag of frozen peas.
I have tried on two occasions air of around freezing temperature (out of despair and lack of oxygen) and found it slightly better than nothing, but a very poor substitute for oxygen. But then, a cold pack doesn't help me much neither.

PFNADs
Ueli

Title: Re: Oxygen tablets
Post by Frank on May 13^th, 2003, 8:31pm

on 05/13/03 at 15:42:51, jacowo wrote:

Depakote can have bad side effects for some people, including dizziness. Verapamil can lower some peoples blood pressure to dangerously low levels (and could possibly cause "blackouts").

Maybe there are other preventative meds that he could take. But oxygen tablets are not the answer. I don't think they will hurt... but won't help either.

Ask if he has tried predisolone as a preventative? Works for many people. Or breathing high concentration oxygen to abort CH attacks?

Title: Re: Oxygen tablets
Post by Not4Hire on May 13^th, 2003, 9:31pm

..see i toldya... if you *really* want to know about oxygen...or any other subject....don't go here:

http://www.maplefallswebdesign.com/misc/oxygen/oxygen.htm

go here: Ueli (his profile) and read ever-damn-thing he ever wrote on this board..... Ole Owl, we are NOT worthy to clean yer catzbox....I mean that....

with respect....N4H