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Title: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by subluxationskill on Mar 12th, 2003, 10:53pm Hello, My name is drew hall. I practice a little known procedure called upper cervical(neck) specific. This procedure is interested in the upper necks relationship to the nerve system. I myself did not everhave cluster headaches however i suffered with daily headaches and other symptoms too numerous to mention. I was helped by an upper cervical doctor. I am not sure you are all aware of this fact; the nerve system controls and coordinates every function in the body. if the brain is able to send messages through the nerve system to all parts of the body with no interference then the body will work at its optimum for that individual. if a person has been in any sort of trauma and has misaligned the first cervical vertebrae this can impede neurologic function. Tjhe brainstem located in the upper neck is responsible for blood pressure regulation in the body, cardiac function, respiratory function, proper muscle tone through out hte body and much more. Anyway< many many conditions that have not responde dto conventional therapies are a result of this interference to the nerve system. i have seen all sorts of conditions respond to this care and many of them have been sent home by doctor after doctor and were told we dont know what is wrong but here are some drugs. DRUGS do no correct the cause of any health condition they either mask pain or change body chemistry into some norm the doctor thinks you should be in. It is much wiser to look to the nerve system since it controls and regulates everything. Have any of you noticed that your headaches started after s trauma????????/ also i find it interesting that terry wrote a post about pushing on his upper neck and getting relief. there is your connection between the neck the nerve system and headaches. If any of you are interested in talking to me about this i would be more than happy to talk to you. There arer answers out there if the medical peole havent found it then look elswhere. An upper cerivical specific doctor is a great place to start!!! Good luck to all. Have a fantastic day. Your in health Dr. Drew Hall e-mail subluxationskill@hotmail.com |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Jarvis on Mar 13th, 2003, 12:41am Thanks for the input doc. . Many chiropractors claim they can cure clusters and thusly many here become sceptical. Your input is straightforward and I hope it will benefit some. . Most of the cluster clan have not been the recipients of traumatic events prior to the onslaught of cluster headaches to my knowledge. What we need however, is more knowledge to confont this beast as its called. .Stick around help us out. Check the ouch site, surveys etc.. |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Ueli on Mar 13th, 2003, 9:01am Mr. Subluxationskill, you "suffered with daily headaches" and that makes you an expert on Clusterheadaches? About as much as everybody who folded a paper plane is a skilled airliner pilot. Where did you learn that the trigeminal nerve involved in CH makes a detour through the neck? Show us one single case of CH "cured" by pushing around vertebrae before you try to sucker in CH sufferers to your cure-all business. |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Jarvis on Mar 13th, 2003, 9:48am It is obvious that sublux needs to do his homework on Cluster headaches and I too hope that none here are detoured on the wrong path. I have been through the chiropractic path in the past and found it to be completely useless in the treatment of CH. . However maybe if Sublux does do his homework and realizes that this is not an issue of the spine, perhaps he can further the knowledge of the chiro community and the clusterheads. Knowledge is a step towards a cure. Seems most in his trade offer up the cure he did not. . Clusterheads be warned that very few if any have found relief with chiropractic manipulations. |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Hound_Dogg on Mar 13th, 2003, 12:16pm If you are honestly trying to help us...Give us a free trial. We only pay if it works... Do you understand how many treatments each and every one of us has tried...and then you "put down" the very Doctors who are actually trying to help. Through Imitrex and O2. If something other then drugs works for someone...great. Or if you actually want to help us and will give your services (for free, or a nominal fee for your time)...great too. But if your using this board to "Spam" oe "sell" your business :P |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by kyphi on Mar 13th, 2003, 12:42pm Hi there my name is Derek, i've been a ch sufferer for just over 20 years being chronic for around eight of those and episodic for the remainder. I think Drew has raised some highly relevent points here that are worthy of a lot more consideration. I believe one of the effects of this curse is that the sufferers (that's you and me) is that we tend to look very closely at our actions and environmental factors such as weather, time of year, food, smells ect. in order to find some causal link which we can anticipate and therefor avoid in order to stop further attacks. The question "why is this happening to me" is one that most of us ask everytime we find ourselves in utter agony. Here are a few of my meanderings which seem relevant in the context of Drew's post. My first attack occured as I leapt out of my bed one day in an awkward fashion, by the time my feet hit the floor I was experiencing the most intense agony which was accompanied with a sharp click in the area of my neck. At this point I did not connect the pain behind my eye with the click I had noticed. in fact since I felt the pain most intensly behind my right eye and temple I assumed the pain originated there (that's where I placed my fingers instinctivly in that "touch the sore bit" kinda way. It was not until years later during an attack that I allowed my fingers to move from my temple ( which did not ease the pain in anyway) to the top of my neck on the pain side. This somehow felt closer to the source of the pain, by applying varying degrees of pressure I could slightly alter the pain. Not to the extent of stopping it (although later I sometimes could), but I could give myself a little relief. (and we all need a little relief don't we ;) ?) Anyway this somewhat insignificant detail was enough to change my thinking about my condition and I became convinced that this area of my neck was the key to controling and hopefully curing my condition. Rather than consulting my GP for headaches ( I didn't know that what I had was called clusters at this time) I now wanted to be treated for neckpain and asked to see a physiotherapist. At this time I was having one - two attacks daily and was living in absolute fear. While in one of my sessions with her she induced an attack by accident, I began to feel the usual symptoms heart rate increase, getting flushes and neck spasm , I told her this, and rather than get worried she simply said "that's excelent" and proceeded to manipulate my head and neck. I'll tell you I did not share her enthusiasm! But after about 30 secs. I had no pain, I mean nothing. She said that sometimes the cartilige between vertibrae sometimes becomes worn and loses its elasticity which causes a nerve to become trapped between the vertibrae and gave me a series of exersises to allow the cartilige to heal. Now I have to say that these were not immediatly successfull as I still had attacks but over the period of about six months to a year they became far less frequent and eventually stopped for about two or three years. That's right no pain for years! I eventually gave up these exersises which caused my clusters to return although they tend to be cyclic of about one to three months duration. "Is that it I hear you say". Well no having examined my past several features have emerged that also seem to support the notion that SOME cluster sufferes pain has its origin in the neck. When I was a kid I had the habit of sleeping with my head on a big stack of pillows, i'm sure this had an effect on me developing ch later on. When I was a teenager this older guy used to get a real kick out of puting my head in a headlock and squeezing my neck really tight . this went on all through my adolesence ( I still see his face everytime I have an attack. I'd love to kick his sorry ass now) i'm sure this had something to do with ch. When I have an attack i'm constantly trying to alter my posture around my neck and head as if finding the right position would stop the pain. My headaches are accompanied by a clicking noise in my neck. The only meds i've had any lasting bennefit from are naproxin and tramadol. Both of these painkillers are used in the relief of inflamation, rhumatic and arthritic pain as well as other muscoskeletal disorders. Makes you think doesn't it? |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by kyphi on Mar 13th, 2003, 12:53pm This is actually part of the post above Unless you believe your headaches are the result of divine (or demonic ) intervention the cause of your headaches are in your life somewhere, it's something we do but are not aware of. Can you honestly say that you are fully aware of what your body is doing all of the time. Is it not true to say that your body reacts to everyday situations without your conscious control. For example when we are depressed what happens to our posture? It slumps right? This means your head is no longer being supported properly by your neck, your neck is now under the strain of supporting your head. It might not matter in the short term but if this becomes habitual something will give eventually and you will feel pain. And i'll bet that you will look for something that happened when the pain started as a cause. I know I do. I think this is why it's so hard to identify the triggers for ch . I don't really understand the mechanism that turns a neckpain (that's pain in the fucking neck to you and me) into a cluster attack but it feels like when a sort of critical mass is reached clusters start. As if when a nexus of nerve endings is over stimulated the whole system takes a nose dive and goes into meltdown. Anyway it's almost time for tea so i'm going to split but before that I would like to say that I realize that the causes for clusters are manifold and that what Drew is suggesting may be of no value to some or even most there will be some of us out there who will benefit from some sort of physical treatment . Don't just try physio or any manipulative therapy once or twice mid cycle and say it didn't work. I know how hard it is to break a cycle once it gets a hold. Try getting therapy at the end of your cycle and keep at it in prep of your next one and see if it helps. It might not stop clusters immediately but over time it might just be the thing you need. What have you got to lose. For anyone who feels there pain has a basis in the neck I recommend naproxin slow release and or tramadol 500ml these drugs have saved my sanity on numerous occasions and broken several cycles in mid flow. Finally Drew if you would be interested, and if I can, I would be glad to help with anything you want to know about cluster headaches. Thanks to all for taking the time to read this, it's been as much of a chore for me as it has for you ;D derryberry69@hotmail.com. Bye now |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Bob P on Mar 13th, 2003, 1:27pm kyphi, If your headaches originate in your neck, you have cervicogenic headaches, not clsuter headaches. If your headaches originate in your neck, whoever told you have clusters was wrong. Here is your web site: http://www.cervicogenic.com |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by cbolony on Mar 13th, 2003, 2:17pm Bobp i agree with you 100% I get the same CH every year 4 weeks of 3-4 ch aday 8-10 kip then they start to come down 1-2 lower kips until they just go away after about 8 weeks. I get 3-4 cycles a year been that way since 1996.How can a Upper neck misalignments do that to me are you fucking kidding me |
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Title: internet true love Post by rumplestiltskin on Mar 13th, 2003, 8:51pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by subluxationskill on Mar 13th, 2003, 11:45pm Bob, Do you know that diagnosis means literally two peoplke that dont know? All a diagnosis is is some arbitrary name placed on a group of symptoms. Or some lab test that is said to be out of the norm. All diagnosis is a man made convention. Do all people with cluster headaches exhibit the same symptoms? Why not? Is ch caugth in the wind by inhaling. I mean what is it ? What is its cause. I am in noway invalidating that which is felt by ch sufferes. my bif with you is you think categorizing effects somehow will lead to getting to a cause. If all you look at is effects how do you ever arise at a cause. if you treat effects how does that ever get to cause? This will sound ludicrous to you because you are so stuck in the medical way of thinking that you are unable to see outside of it. You see I have been on both sides . And after being on the other side I will never go back to that encrusted way of thinking. drew |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Ted on Mar 14th, 2003, 12:04am Main Entry: di·ag·no·sis Pronunciation: "dI-ig-'nO-s&s, -&g- Function: noun Diagnosis - Inflected Form(s): plural di·ag·no·ses /-"sEz/ Etymology: New Latin, from Greek diagnOsis, from diagignOskein to distinguish, from dia- + gignOskein to know —more at KNOW (NOTE: It doesn't say "From dia, meaning two + gnosis, meaning people don't know." And the "dia" prefix means "through, apart, from dia; akin to Latin dis- : through <diapositive> : across <diadromous>. So, literally, your definition of "diagnosis" is wrong, doc.) Date: circa 1681 1 a : the art or act of identifying a disease from its signs and symptoms b : the decision reached by diagnosis 2 : a concise technical description of a taxon 3 a : investigation or analysis of the cause or nature of a condition, situation, or problem <diagnosis of engine trouble> b : a statement or conclusion from such an analysis |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by subluxationskill on Mar 14th, 2003, 12:29am Ted, respond to the rest of the post would you? |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Ted on Mar 14th, 2003, 12:46am Sure. Sorry I didn't earlier. About the rest of your post? I think you're a windbag that doesn't know what he's talking about. And scarier, you're in the field to treat people's ailments and you don't even know the definiton of "diagnose," which is a large part of your profession. |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Jarvis on Mar 14th, 2003, 12:47am Somehow I just knew right from the start of this thread that I personally was going to attain great knowledge ............................... I had no idea that the word "diagnosis" had descended from the greek word "diagiginOstein". ;D |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by BobG on Mar 14th, 2003, 12:58am Jarvis, it's a corruption of Caesar Diogines O’stein. He was from Ireland and introduced green beer to Greece and gave everyone a cluster headache. |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Bob P on Mar 14th, 2003, 8:41am Cracker (or is that quacker), Quote:
First I think he means beef not bif. Second, if my front tire on my car is wearing faster on the inside than on the outside (effect), it leads me to believe my wheels are out of alignment (cause). Funny how that works isn't it. I mean when you deal with facts instead of the bullshit you're pushing. I suggest you stick to curing bedwetting with your procedure and leave the real maladies to the professionals. |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Bob P on Mar 14th, 2003, 8:55am Subhuman, You realign the top vertebre, axis is it. In doing so you let the thousands of nerves which travel through the small opening in it, into the spinal column, transmit their messages correctly. When you do this you cure the following maladies: Allergies Arm Pain Asthma Athletic Injuries Attention Deficit Disorder Back Pain Bed Wetting Carpal Tunnel Syndrome Cerebral Palsy Child Developmental Problems Chronic Fatigue Chronic Infections Chronic Pain Constipation Depression Diabetes Digestive Problems Dizziness Dyslexia Dystonia Ear Infections Epileptic Seizures Eye Infections Female Disorders Fever Fibromyalgia Flu Symptoms Frequent Colds Hay Fever Headaches Heart Conditions Herniated Disks High Blood Pressure Hip Pain Hyperactivity Immune System Deficiency Indigestion Infertility Knee Problems Learning Disability Leg Pain Loss of Sleep Low Back Pain Migraine Headaches Multiple Sclerosis Muscle Spasms Neck Pain Nervousness Neuralgia Neuritis Neuropathy Numbness & Tingling in Limbs Organ Dysfunction Parkinson's Disease Poor Vision Post-polio Problems from car/ sports/slip/fall accidents Rheumatoid Arthritis Scoliosis (how the heck does it help curvature of the spine?) Shoulder Pain Sinus Problems Sleeping Disorders Spasmodic Disorders Stiffness Tendonitis Tight Muscles T.M.J. Syndrome Torticullis Trigeminal Neuralgia Whiplash And countless more. . . Now, please answer my question (from the headache clinic post). What is a cluster headache. Where does it originate from? What nerve is causing the pain? Does this nerve even pass through the axis? It's plain to see from the list of things you cure that your proceedure is right up there with Oxyclean. There isn't anything you can't fix. If anyone on this board believes that, well then you do deserve each other. BTW - Yes, everyone here works for free in OUCH. Ted has put in a lot of hours and effort in helping clusterheads via his OUCH work. |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by subluxationskill on Mar 14th, 2003, 10:14am BoB, you obviously again did not read the site very well. Nor do you understand uppe cervical chiropractic again. you are showing your ingnorance about the procedure. Yes I myslef have almsot all of those conditions respond in my office. It does not cure anything. That is the bodies job. And all people with all sorts of these condtitions will respond differently. Not all peopl who have all of those condtions are a result of brainstem interference. In almost alll disease processes there are usually more thatn just one factor. Second you are are right about hte car example. However what medicine does is change the tires not correct the alignemnet. In fact that is a wonderful example. Medicine cjhanges the tires and then wonders why they are right back to where they started after those tires wear again. Take some drugs alter the symptoms as soon as the drug wears off you are right back to where you started. Better to correct the alignemetn the cause. So was trying to convey is cause verrsus symptoms. And to answer your question about nerves and tracts that do this and that. That again is a fools game. Go back and read this site for a better explanation about what upper cervicals goals are. www.erinelster.com Drew |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Ueli on Mar 14th, 2003, 12:23pm Subluxationskill wrote: Quote:
Ted offered another definition quoting from a dictionary. But "The pharmaceutical octopus has brainwashed our public into believing that drugs are their only alternative", and only these victims accept the definition of "diagnosis" given by Ted. In the subluxation business it is customary to point at X-ray pictures of the spine, where the subluxations are allegedly visible. However, an other disciple of this craft sees on the same picture a subluxation in another position, and therefore makes his own X-ray (after all, X-ray machines are soon paid off, and are afterwards efficient moneymakers). So, when two neck wringers or spine adjusters see different subluxations as the cause in the same patient, don't we have then a diagnosis in the sense "two people that don't know" ? |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Nasser on Mar 14th, 2003, 1:06pm Again, again and again .... Ignorance of the Drug Pushers I luv you guys I am still CH free PF to u all..... P.S. I'll come back once in a while |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Bob P on Mar 14th, 2003, 1:22pm Hey Nasser, Just curious where you got drugs out of a discussion re Sublaxaitve's scam? PF here too. Been 1 year 7 months. How long for you? Lets see. You're 42-43 years old. That's right around when my remissions jumped from 8-9 months to 2 years. Maybe you got as lucky as I did. On the flipside, when my remissions got longer, so did my clusters. Instead of 4-6 week clusters, they now go as long as 15 weeks. Maybe you'll get as lucky as me. |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Ueli on Mar 14th, 2003, 2:19pm Hi Nasser, I may be ignorant, but I don't push drugs, in fact I spend lots of money to buy some. But with all the Verapamil, Relpax and oxygen I buy I can live a relatively pain free life. We get a lot of newbies all the time, so don't you think you should for their benefit post once more your CH cure of kneeling in lukewarm water and brushing your hair? Maybe sublux could add some comment on the stroke to use so your vertebrae stay in the proper place. And don't forget to use your teeth guard at night, to prevent the return of TMJ. |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Dave_W on Mar 14th, 2003, 2:28pm Whoa, wotta deal! I think I can throw some real data into this discussion that will help disprove the neck alignment theory once and for all. Just got back from Panama City 8). It's spring break time. During my strolls on the beach, I am absolutely positive that I re-aligned my neck into every position that is geometrically possible as my peripheral retinae were stimulated by thong bikinis from every direction. Many of my neck re-alignments were so severe as to inspire awe in bystanders, and some even approached configurations that Euclid himself couldn't describe. I had headaches before, during, and since. QED neck bones and their positioning have nothing to do with cluster headaches. We can double-check this conclusion by observing that all a neck bone is good for is flavoring tomorrow's soup. It plays no part in the primary feast itself. End of discussion. You go, BobP!! Been thinkin' of ya, old buddro. Nice job Ted too, and all the others who fanned the good flame with this quack. We are now victorious and cannot be disputed. ;D ;D ;D Pain Free Days! Huzzah!! The Olde Goober |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Bob P on Mar 14th, 2003, 4:33pm Ueli, Don't forget rubbing Vicks on the bottom of your feet. I was wondering what prompted Nasser to jump into this thread. Birds of a feather I guess. I was feeling kind of bad that I had basically wished him longer clusters. Now I don't feel bad at all. |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by jonny on Mar 14th, 2003, 6:04pm Man!!!!, I gotta come down here more often. I missed all the fun, but i'll be watching. ...................................jonny |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by WendyHowe on Mar 17th, 2003, 7:28am All I can say Drew is that you can't have many patients with the amount of time you spend on here writing illiterate stuff. Politely suggest you foxtrot oscar and come back when you have a testimonial from a cured CH sufferer |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by hdbngr on Mar 18th, 2003, 12:53pm Drew: Pardon me, but you said "I myself did not everhave cluster headaches however i suffered with daily headaches and other symptoms too numerous to mention." I think the key phrase is "I myself did not ever have cluster headaches." If you haven't had ONE, you don't know how we feel, and as all clusterheads know, you don't just have ONE. Yeah, my head hurts, so does my neck, but did $2,000 worth of chiropractic visits help? No sir. It was relaxing, but so is sitting in the park, and that's free. I think most of us have been there, done that, and paid the bills, twice. What are these other symptoms you suffer from that are too numerous to mention? If this adjustment cures all of the very lengthy maladies listed, why are you experiencing all of these "symptoms"? Surely some of the "too numerous to mention" must fall into the list from the site. About the only thing missing was a cure for world hunger! Why aren't you cured? Don't you feel that this statement casts doubt on your credibility? Vanasa |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Roxy on Mar 18th, 2003, 2:21pm It took me some time to respond to this thread, because I was so angry. subluxationskill reminds me of the fucking a**hole of a chiropractor who, after my mother was diagnosed with stage 4 ovarian cancer, told her he could cure her by adjusting her neck. Giving hope to people with incurable afflictions should be a hanging offense. Thanks BobP, Den, Ted, Ueli.... |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Lori on Mar 19th, 2003, 11:37am I think the problem with chiropractors is that they think they can fix/cure everything. That is simply NOT the case. I went to one during 2 different cycles, two different chiropractors, did all kinds of xrays and adjustments, etc..no pain relief whatsoever! In fact I remember one of them scratching his head saying, I always cure headaches, I don't understand why I can't cure yours. I will say chiropractors are useful for back problems and I have gotten relief with that, not cured, relief. Point is, chiropractors can not cure CH! I have spent plenty of $$$ trying. I will take what triptans or whatever works to help with the pain if that is my only option. It's better than the pain. |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Major_Headcase on Mar 24th, 2003, 2:08am I have availed myself of the benefits of chiropratic treatment for over 25 years. I've been to many different chiropractors, including some who were Atlas/Axis ONLY types. I've seen the good, the bad, and the ugly out there. But I finally found a chiro that I absolutely love ... she knows when to say "No, I don't think I can help you. You need to see a ______ [fill in the appropriate flavor of MD]?" She is the first and only chiro I've met that I truly trust to have my best interests in mind ... as opposed to chiros wanting me to help meet their patient quota with the clinic he/she is a part of (how many times have I heard, "I need to see you 3 times a week for the next month and 1-2 times a week for the next 2 months after that"), or my pet peeve, chiros who spends half of the $50/10 minute session pushing overpriced vitamins/supplements/pillows at me! Our think our buddy Drew has good intentions, but he's guilty of the same mistake most MDs make, they don't acknowledge the benefits of chiropractic, and Drew, like many/most chiros, doesn't acknowledge the benefits of traditional medicine. As a former mechanic, I can testitfy that knowing which is the right tool for the job (and using it properly) is the first step in getting the job done right the first time! 8) |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by JoeKen on Mar 26th, 2003, 2:41pm ??? Maybe I am just an old dynosaur from another age, but am I the only one who wonders how a guy who claims to be an MD has such a poor command of the written language? (Drew, that is). There may be no direct connection, but usually, in my experience at least, if you are intelligent enough to qualify to practice medicine, you are usually intelligent enough to gain a basic command of the written language. |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by subluxationskill on Mar 26th, 2003, 7:49pm To joe and others who are caught up on superficialties: If you are more concerned about grammer and spelling than you are about knowledge and content then i feel sorry for you. Yes I do not proofread my posts. I do not have the time. And second perhaps you shouldnt judge a book by its cover. Not professing to be either however einstein was booted out of school because he was thought ot be unintelligent and the wrigth brothers were scorned for their claim of flying. Flying defied the current laws of physics of that day. When old ways of thinking are challenged by new ideas some will refute the new without investigation, others will meddle and a few will embrace the new idea. All progress happens this way. To be confronted with such prejudice on here is not shocking. I expect it. Again I must say to argue a point with some intelligence you must no both sides of the story. Most of you have only lived on the medcial side of the fence and that is your own choosing. And by the way Joe I am not a medical doctor I am an UPPER CERVICAL CHIROPRACTOR. Yes I know I am a quack. I am not a real doctor. And I do not suffer with cluster headaches therefore I am a complete idiot for thinking I could be of service. I spared you some words. To those who are open minded enough to inquire about upper cervical specific care and would like to know more please make a post. i know there are at least a handful of you out there that are brave enough to step outside of your medical way of thinking in an attempt to overcome your suffering. Best regards Drew |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Ueli on Mar 26th, 2003, 9:23pm subluxationskill, Quote:
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by subluxationskill on Mar 26th, 2003, 11:50pm Ueli, Are you saying that you now believe that a misalgined atlas could cause ms parkinsons or other diseases? YOu said it not me. YOu are now confessing that a misalgined atlas can be a contributing factor to these diseases? no? So if a misaligned atlas can cause these diseases then does it make logical sense that an atlas that is not misaligned can allow for the body to heal through a disease? I am recapitulating your statemnets. please respond. Second you need to catch up on the most recent developments in neuroanatomy. The fifth cranial nerve and for that matter 1-5 cranial nerves may have their nuclei in the midbrain and pons however the evidence is now showing that tracts actually go into the brainstem to the deccussation and then back out the the tissues in the head? Now what? YOu see your scinetific knowledge is not complete. If you wnat to hang your hat on the current scinetific facts of today you will find that many are obsolete tomorrow. I remeber when margarine was supposed to be better than butter. Today that is reversed. Which is true? When you only believe in what is so called proven you are really a follower not a leader. Do you like to sniff a dogs as ueli? drew |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by CJohnson on Mar 27th, 2003, 10:03am Hey, Subluxation. Would you be willing to demonstrate the efficacy of your technique on someone suffering from CH for FREE? It would show that you are not peddling snake oil, and, if successful, would help to authenticate the veracity of your claims. Certainly, somebody would be willing to undergo the procedure. It could be no less pleasent than being injected with nitro-glycerin and observed while in the full grasp of a headache. What do you say Subluxation, are you willing to put your money where your mouth is? If upper cervical specific treatment truly brings relief, you could publish a paper and become famous! -Curtis |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Bob P on Mar 27th, 2003, 10:34am Shaking my head here. Sublaxative's second grade attempt to twist Ueli's words has sealed the deal for me. I thought sublax was probably a quack but now I'm sure he's a complete idiot! A clusterhead would be better off sitting under their pyramid with their favorite healing crystal and magnetic headband then they would be listening to this putz! |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Mikey on Mar 27th, 2003, 2:10pm Yeah, Sublux, you have got to be an Idiot if you're a so called Doc. If you knew anything at all about CH you would know that our attacks come at specific times of the day (year round for Chronics) and at specific times of the year (if you're Episodic you get hit in cycles). Now explain to me how a nerve in the neck, could have anything to do with the cycling and timing characteristics of this disease. Yes thats right I said disease. Mikey, >:( |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by WendyHowe on Mar 27th, 2003, 5:33pm Drew I am beyond astounded at your attitude. I really cannot believe my eyes when you say "I spared you some words" It is as if you feel that you are some kind of messiah, who has deigned to give us poor plebs a few morsels of your wisdom. If this were the case, it would have been a few words and not this daily unwelcome diatribe. Your words actually read like an illiterate medical salesperson who has a point to prove and a product to sell. If you truly believe what you are saying and you truly believe that your 'service' is of value, behave like a believer and stop doorstepping and ramming your beliefs down people's necks. I really do now think you are rather unwell yourself, and should seek some psychological assistance. Wendy |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Frank on Mar 27th, 2003, 10:01pm Helpful tip: Don't feed the trolls. With no food, they eventually go away. |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by subluxationskill on Mar 27th, 2003, 11:22pm cjjohnson, Yes I would. To change some minds yes I would. Have a great day drew |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by JoeKen on Mar 28th, 2003, 5:00pm :( This post refers to Frank's recent one. Yes, let's all agree not to dignify this serious headcase with any further replies and he may (please God) take up an interest in UFOs, or platting fog, and give another group of people the dubious benefit of his particular brand of intelligence, education and logic. JoeKen. |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by smfaison on Jul 8th, 2003, 7:51pm I went to a chiropractor several months ago for neck pain. He adjusted me all up and said it would help with the CH. But they started, right on schedule. I'm going to tell him that when I see him in a few weeks! |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by vig on Jul 10th, 2003, 4:08pm Drue, Teim to puut up or shuttup, -p |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Nathan on Jul 14th, 2003, 6:54am actually, i DO believe my chs is due to demonic intervention. gods way of punishing me and all that.... also, i have tried the verterbra adjustment crap mentioned here (my chiropractor was convinced it would help and i just didnt have the heart to tell him no) and of course, it did do shit. chs comes from deep inside the brain, not the spine. sorry doc!! do some reasearch, we all have. --N |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by cbolony on Jul 14th, 2003, 12:43pm Is this post still around ;D |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Melissa on Jul 14th, 2003, 9:04pm *sigh* I really miss the boji stones.... :'( |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Marc on Jul 14th, 2003, 10:42pm LOL Mel ;D |
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Title: Re: Upper neck misalignments and the brainstem Post by Tessa on Jul 27th, 2003, 5:02pm I had a quack chirpractor tell me years ago he could cure my cluster headaches from this procedure. After several months of wasting my time and quite a bit of money out of my pocket, I finally gave up. My neighbor is a chiropractor and has this same mentality towards headaches. Cluster headaches are not the same as other headaches. Do your homework before you come in here selling your snake oil cures! It is quite obvious you have never suffered from a CH before. Press on my neck, yea right! |
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