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Title: Liquid Oxygen question Post by firebrix on Dec 22nd, 2002, 7:32pm Greetings, While searching the archives (see - some do!! ;)) for info on oxygen therapy, we found a post from Jamy Stevan in April 1999 stating that he found stabilised O2 in his health food store, which he added to water and drank. He said it was effective! Does anyone have more to add on this topic? Has anyone had relief from this? Does anyone have any further input? Mopar's been hammered since the general anaesthetic. Kip 8 - 10 every two or three hours - not a lot of sleep going down in this house. We're off to see the doc to ask if we can get a non-rebreather mask with the O2 tank this time. (No-one listened to me last time! :'( ) Desperate for input here. Many thanx tired old brikki firebrix |
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Title: Re: Liquid Oxygen question Post by Jarvis on Dec 22nd, 2002, 8:23pm Hey firebrix. I listened. sorry , dont have much to add though. Oxygen is stable in water, hence the H2O allbeit a mix. Liquid oxygen becomes gas at very low temps and unless its under extreme pressures it is hard to maintain in the liquid form. So I would want to guestion the stabilized o2 additive [from a non chemist]. Hope the doc can set you up well. Wonder if the doc can give a more localized pain relief for the surgery he had. That wont trigger more pain and frequency. I guess pushups are out for mopar so I wont recomend that ;)................ .....................[added]. I just read your other post regarding the localized anesthetic. |
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Title: Re: Liquid Oxygen question Post by Jarvis on Dec 22nd, 2002, 8:34pm just one more thought guys, How about some kindof stimulant to overcome drug side effects from surgery like possible drowsiness, too relaxed syndrome. Obviously relaxation with anesthetics is good for the carpal but not for the head....just a thought..mj.. |
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Title: Re: Liquid Oxygen question Post by domm on Dec 22nd, 2002, 10:27pm brix - I think what you are refering to is "oxygenated water" which is sold in the US as a performance booster for athletes. The theory being that you can pack more O2 into the blood stream by drinking this. Being a chemist by trade (not formal education), I would think you'd end up with a very dilute hydrogen peroxide solution. Ueli - help me here. I don't think h2o2 (hydrogen peroxide) would do much to help, but I really don't know. Breathing O2 at high rates (10 - 15 lpm) thru a non rebreather is the most effective for me. I wish you luck in finding what you need. PFDANs to you domm |
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Title: Re: Liquid Oxygen question Post by Ueli on Dec 23rd, 2002, 3:30pm The oxygenated water is a mean and dirty scam, and its propagators should in my opinion fry in hell forever, with a constant Kip #10 CH. In one liter of cold water there can be dissolved the amount of oxygen that is contained in half a lung full of air. When the oxygen is set free in the stomach and intestines it does there probably more harm than good. The amount that reaches the blood is so trivially small, that it is of no consequences. It's the typical scam of the food additions snake oil mongers: Oxygen is needed by everybody, athletes need a lot more, so why not supplement the oxygen we breathe with oxygen we drink? To reinforce the argument with some pseudoscientific babble the oxygen is "stabilized", a completely nonsensical notion. Only fish in an aquarium could profit from "oxygenated water", since they breathe on the oxygen dissolved in water. But to add oxygen to the aquarium the usual air bubbler is many times cheaper. Instead of storing oxygen at high pressure at ambient temperature (the way must of us get it) it can stored in liquefied form at an extreme low temperature, below -183°C. (Those who insist on the cumbersome °Fahrenheit: consult http://www.onlineconversion.com/ ;D). Liquefied oxygen comes in heavily isolated, but open container. A small amount of oxygen always evaporates, but to get a larger flow some heating is added. Higher flow rates than 2 l/min are difficult to achieve, because the air humidity freezes on the armatures and clogs them up. Therefore, liquid oxygen is not of much use for a clusterhead. PFNADs Ueli |
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Title: Re: Liquid Oxygen question Post by firebrix on Dec 24th, 2002, 4:07am Thank you again guys! We suspected it was just more snake oil! Just love the descriptive language Ueli! Your skills with English are awesome. On a brighter note, We collected a small cylinder of O2, and this time, a non- rebreather mask! ::)It has worked, stopping the last four headaches and giving Mopar a break from Imigran/Imitrex which were beginning to take a LONG time to have the usual dramatic effect. It's a relief, to put it mildly. Thanx again to you all. PFDAN firebrix |
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Title: Re: Liquid Oxygen question Post by SommelierCH on Dec 24th, 2002, 5:23pm Firebrix, Great news on the O2 working, you should post that on the other board!!! UELI: You would have a field day with my General Manager at work. I call him “our canary in the mine”. If there is even the slightest cold or flu going around, he will always be the first one to succumb. He is the biggest sucker for any snake oil salesman, that you could ever meet. He was buying little 3 oz. bottles of “special water”, that you mix with gallons of distilled water, a tiny bit at a time, to cure.. well, everything. He fell for the “silver colloidal” treatments. Now he fell for an “oxygen impregnator”. It’s a briefcase size gizmo, that has a wand that you put into a glass of water, and it bubbles. Your aquarium analogy is especially apt, here! He wants to buy into the company, and sell it to bars and restaurants. He figures that he can sell the “special water” to people as they start on their way home after drinking. It helps to sober you up. You know, all that extra oxygen going to the brain. You should see the set up in the office, a little 6 oz. glass of water, left bubbling for 45min. at a time. So how much extra oxygen can a 6 oz. glass of water absorb? I knew nothing about O2 impregnation of water, but I went out on a limb and told him that the extra O2 would be washed out of the water, waaayy before it reached the brain blood barrier. I bet it’s still in the office right now, bubbling away over the holiday, just waiting for him to get back. David J. |
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