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Title: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 11th, 2002, 4:17pm Within this thread I will attempt to document my shrooming experience. I have been episodic since 1995. My current cycle started mid-September 2001. This current cycle is the first time using verapamil as treatment, but is also my longest cycle by far. Usually my cycles last 6 months. I have been completely off verapamil for 4 days (OUCH!!!) and had been tapering for several days before that. I took my last imitrex dose 26 hours before writing this. This evening will be Tea Time. I plan on dosing 2.5 g using The Pink One's Kickass Mushroom Tea Recipe. I have been on a low-fat diet for at least 24 hours. My last meal was 2 tomato sandwiches 5 hours prior to writing this (but I will eat some carrots a little while before dosing). See ya on the other side! ;D |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by kristi on Jul 11th, 2002, 6:42pm Good luck and Godspeed eyes_afire! We will all be pulling for you! Much Luv, Kristi |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by Not4Hire on Jul 11th, 2002, 7:40pm Hey Eyes.....wishing you the best results.....I believe this therapy has helped me and I'm hoping you find your "key'..... To quote the 'Moodies': Timothy Leary's (NOT) dead....he's on the Outside....lookin' in..... Buen viaje, hermano.......... ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 12th, 2002, 12:25am ??? WTF Still tryin to figure out where I am. The fact that I was able to type in my password must mean that I have returned to earth. Listen up gang (trust me on this one)... save those level 5 trips for friday nights. LOL LOL LOL WOW, you wouldn't believe.... more to come.... |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by Mastifflvr28 on Jul 12th, 2002, 12:29am Thinkin bout you eyes, Good luck!! Mast |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by rick on Jul 12th, 2002, 1:00am Steve, I just prayed for you bro. -R |
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Title: Level 1 Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 12th, 2002, 12:02pm Y'all gonna hafta forgive me for my overwhelming excitement. I was PLANNING on dosing 2.5 grams but I ended up dosing significantly more. I'm new to psychedelic experiences but I ended up in a realm of extreme bliss... I'm really having a hard time believing what I just experienced... it's impossible to explain properly. It was so extremely pleasureable that it seems totally sinful ;D. Once again, here is the trip scale (my experience most closely resembles trip level 5): Level 1 This level produces a mild "stoning" effect, with some visual enhancement (i.e. brighter colors, etc). Some short term memory anomalies. Left/right brain communication changes causing music to sound "wider". Level 2 Brighter colors, and some subtle visual anomalies (i.e. objects appear to slightly shift position or "breathe"), some 2 dimensional patterns become apparent upon shutting eyes. Confused or reminiscent thoughts. Change of short term memory leads to distractive thought patterns. Vast increase in creativity becomes apparent as the natural brain filter is bypassed. Level 3 Very obvious visual distortions: everything looking curved and/or warped, patterns and kaleidoscopes seen on walls, faces etc. Some mild hallucinations such as rivers flowing in wood grained or "mother of pearl" surfaces. Closed eye images become 3 dimensional. There is some confusion of the senses (i.e. seeing sounds as colors, etc). Time distortions and "moments of eternity". Level 4 Strong hallucinations, i.e. objects morphing into other objects. Destruction or multiple splitting of the ego. (Things start talking to you, or you find that you are feeling contradictory things simultaneously). Some loss of reality. Time becomes meaningless. Out of body experiences and e.s.p. type phenomena. Blending of the senses. Level 5 Total loss of visual connection with reality. The senses cease to function in the normal way. Total loss of ego. Merging with space, other objects, or the universe. The loss of reality becomes so severe that it defies explanation. The earlier levels are relatively easy to explain in terms of measureable changes in perception and thought patterns. This level is different in that the actual universe within which things are normally perceived ceases to exist. Satori enlightenment (and other such labels). Okay, now here are the details (but my sense of time is very very foggy and its kinda hard to remember exactly what happened :-[ :-X): Somewhere around 7:15 pm I was making tea. I had a dried shroom (the largest of the harvest) that seemed to weigh about 2.5 grams, but I started thinking that maybe it wasn't dried enough, and I just couldn't believe that I would only need to use 1 shroom ??? ::). Here's where my obsessions got the best of me: I decided to throw in another shroom :o! It was somewhat smaller than the first but still quite sizeable. Therefore, I can only guess that I dosed somewhere between 2.5 and 5 grams. to be continued... |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 12th, 2002, 12:38pm In general, I'm a rather cynical person so after dosing I laid down on the couch and for the first half hour was not impressed. I was listening to psychedelic music and watching TV simultaneously. I was watching NFL films on ESPN (geez! I'll never be able to see NFL films or WNBA the same way ever again!). The music: Illuminated - 360s Supernatural - 360s Strawberry Stone - 360s Nymphs - Nymphs She Hangs Brightly - Mazzy Star So Tonight That I Might See - Mazzy Star Strange things started happening as I approached 8:30 pm. I looked at the clock and it started pulsating and breathing. Then when I closed my eyes I noticed colors and patterns, vibrating rhythmically. The actual onset of effects was very subtle at first. NFL Films was interviewing someone from the Carolina Panthers and all of a sudden I noticed this guy's head morphing into hundreds of different faces! :o. It was inexplicably hilarious. At about 8:30 pm time stopped! It was 8:30 FOREVER! I knew I was in deep juju somewhere around 'Speaks Through Water' off of Supernatural. I tried to get up to go to the bathroom but I couldn't control my muscles. All of my muscles were quivering and laughing forever, I couldn't control them! I saw football players crashing and melting into each other. Every face was changeable to hundreds of faces. Males and females morphed into each other. I felt surrounded by music. I was laughing uncontrollably. It felt like it lasted forever and I didn't care. For a time I entered a realm of complete bliss. I felt the extreme need to share this feeling with the entire world. I also experienced olefactory hallucinations. My sense of touch felt deeper and more expansive than ever before. I started to become one with my sofa, it was sucking me in! Little did I know that this was just the beginning. I felt beyond my body, my body felt twisted in impossible ways. Then I started projecting my thoughts and feelings into the characters in the music and on TV. I started trying to rationalize why certain faces were happy, or sad, or excited, or angry. I tried making sense of the digital display on my CD player. The numbers on the CD counter seemed to be telling me something, but they were counting INCREDIBLY slowly. I got the notion that I discovered a portal to bliss. I kept on repeating 'There's NO WAY' because I was so dumbfounded. Then I started philosophizing with myself: 'There's NO WAY, There's NO WAY, but... There's ONE WAY' and I was trying to explain how there is no way this is possible, but that I found the one way. All my senses started blending and I lost all connection with reality. The music never ended and I felt like I was randomly tranported to different tunes. I started feeling like I knew the faces on TV. Everything became warped and melted forever, amen. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 12th, 2002, 1:10pm Somewhere in the midst of the trip, the CH beast attempted to break thru. The beast attacked with a very brief grinding sensation in my left eye, then made a nearly immediate hasty retreat. Today I have skipped all shadows. Here are a couple of personal observations: I underestimated the power of shrooms. Nothing could have prepared me for the trip, I didn't have a clue what to expect. My experience could have very easily been very unpleasant, but geez, that trip was beautiful... way beautiful. Enlightening! Revolutionary! A true life changing experience. I didn't think such bliss was even remotely possible. My only 2 regrets were: 1. not having a babysitter, and 2. dosing on a Thursday night. *A word about clocks: I think they could be friend of foe during a trip. For me, the clock was a friend because the trip was extremely blissful and seemed to last forever. At one time I remember that I was giddy because I couldn't believe it was only 10:30 pm. *Go to the bathroom before settling in. I ended up eventually getting to the bathroom, but the bathroom can be an imposing place when everything is melting. Sit down, don't trust your aim. And keep a clear path to the bathroom. *Roll with the trip. Enjoy it for what it is. If an unpleasant thought starts to enter your mind, get rid of it and just enjoy the show. *Coming back to earth was very difficult. This is where I could have used a babysitter. I was very confused for a while. When coming back... don't touch anything. I spent a good portion of time trying to familiarize myself with my surroundings and trying to figure out what happened. I just folded my arms and carefully started walking around my apartment. At that point I was making rather elementary observations of reality such as: 'what's this doing here?' 'what day is it?' 'oh, here's the garbage can', etc. * To avoid trouble, I determined ahead of time that I would simply try to remain on the sofa for the duration of the trip. Try to make the place comfortable. Pillows are a good thing. I feel like I have lived many lifetimes. I can't even explain all that happened during this trip... the feeble words of the English language are not adequate to describe the experience. BTW, at one point during the trip I came to the conclusion that NFL Films was THE ONE WAY, the portal to bliss if you will ;) :D ::). American football will never be the same again (at least in my perspective). |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by kristi on Jul 12th, 2002, 1:48pm All I can say is - WOW! What an amazing experience. Thank you for describing it so completely, especially since it is hard to find the right words. Oh, um, I think that "one quarter of a recreational dose" expression, hee hee, kinda loses it's impact here. ;D ;D Glad you had a good time! Hope you continue to be painfree forever! K |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by Slammy on Jul 12th, 2002, 1:54pm OMG!! EYES! DUDE!!! You're Stoned!!! :o Seriously ( heh, can I say that?), I was this close to embarking on my fungal journey. But you just scared the living shit out of me..... I'll stick to Zomig and Veraps.... Sheesh! Glad you had a nice trip! :D btw.... NFL Films Rock!!!! ;D Slammy 8) |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by rick on Jul 12th, 2002, 2:14pm on 07/12/02 at 13:10:04, eyes_afire wrote:
Excellent advice for anyone looking to do this for the first time. It sounds as though you you were more than capable of coping with everything, which again I feel is really easy to do as long as you stay focused on doing exactly what I have quoted you saying above. I still would personally not recommend this for another first time shroomer, but I'm glad you had fun.;D So, let's all keep our fingers cross that you begin to see some continued relief. Do you know what strain of mushroom you consumed? I've never heard of the 360's or the Nymphs. I love Mazzy Star though. Do you have "Among My Swan"? Hope Sandoval is in some new band now. Do you listen to a lot of shoegazer? I'm thinking a lot of people her think I'm a big metalhead because of some of the conversations I've had. While I am going to see Slayer next month, I listen to more Hip Hop, Shoegazer, Britpop, and Classical than anything. And I love House (I'm from Chicago, it's like religion here ;D). Orb is my all time favorite music for psychedelics. 8) Peace, -R |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 12th, 2002, 3:18pm I would like to personally like to thank Flash for introducing the MB to shrooms. I would also like to extend many thanks to PinkSharkMark for being an excellent advisor and shroom expert. I would like to thank Monique and Mastifflvr28 for advice. I would like to thank Mastifflvr28 and Not4Hire for talking me back to earth early this morning (LOL ;D). And thanks go out to Kristi, Rick, Den, and Slammy for words of support. Hey Slammy, I would have to say that I probably took an excessive dose, you probably wouldn't need to take that big of a dose. At the time I was increasingly desperate and a bit impulsive due to being off of verapamil, so I wanted to make sure I hit the beast real hard. I don't want to become chronic, and I'm gettin damn close to it. Sometimes my 'all-or-nothing' attitude gets me into trouble, but the trip was magnificent. I can see how the trip could turn out bad for anyone who would be disturbed by such unreality, especially since time seemed to stand still. Rick, I think the 'getting rid of unpleasant thoughts' may be important to ensuring a good trip. During the trip, all kinds of crazy notions enter your head, therefore it was probably good that I determined beforehand to stay on the sofa and know that what I was perceiving was effects of the trip, not reality. I consumed psilocybin cubensis, Ecuador strain. Look up 'The 360's' and 'Nymphs' on the on-line All Music Guide to get an idea of what they're about (but I think they are a bit too critical of 360's). I have 'Among My Swan' but I wasn't as impressed with it. I started getting into some of the shoegazer stuff, I guess like back in '92 (... or was it '94... stuff like Lush, My Bloody Valentine). That's what I should have done! I should have put My Bloody Valentine's 'Loveless' in the ole CD player! That woulda been a trip! Yup, it's pretty easy to get pigeonholed as a metalhead. I have an extensive metal collection, but it gives everyone the false notion that is all I listen to. I guess because it is such an extreme music form and it generates extreme responses. But WOW, 'Loveless', now that's EXTREME! |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by pinksharkmark on Jul 12th, 2002, 6:39pm Welcome back to ordinary reality, Eyes_Afire. Glad you enjoyed yourself! Your report illustrates the importance of using accurate scales, and of BELIEVING what they say. It is not the NUMBER of mushrooms involved that determine the size of a dose, but their total weight. The single giant specimen you weighed first (at 2.5 grams) would have been quite sufficient as a first dose. Adding the second one put you in the range of 4.0 to 4.5 grams, from your description. And, since the mushrooms were lovingly homegrown and very fresh, the potency was good. As for the experience itself, it sounds like you definitely reached at least a righteous "Level 4", with forays into "Level 5" territory. I've been there myself (about thirty years ago, but I'll never forget it), so I can relate to your description. You are, of course, correct -- there are literally no words for the "Level 5" experience, but you did a pretty good job of trying. I'm glad you didn't find the experience unpleasant. Whatever the results this dose will have on your cluster cycle, I guarantee you NO ONE will ever accuse you of "underdosing"! *grin* Some questions: You say you prepared a tea from the mushrooms. Did you find the taste unpleasant? Did you drink the tea in one big gulp or over the space of ten minutes or so? Did you experience any nausea or stomach upset? How are you feeling NOW? Any lingering effects from the dose? Do you feel especially lethargic, or energetic, or serene, or clearheaded (or the reverse)? And, most importantly, what effect has this had on your CH? I know it's only been 24 hours since taking the tea, but have you observed any changes in your CH symptoms yet? Apart from the absence of shadows, that is. Slammy: I understand your reluctance to give this therapy a try after reading EA's post, but let me assure you the majority of clusterheads achieve relief at a LOT lower doses. The difference between a "Level 2" experience and a "Level 4" is like the difference between having a couple of beers with dinner and chugging a fifth of tequila on an empty stomach without pausing for breath. As for "Level 5"... well... I think it's impossible for anyone to drink enough alcohol to produce anything even remotely analagous to a "Level 5" psychedelic experience. Eyes_Afire, thanks for the report. I look forward to your updates. pinky |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by Not4Hire on Jul 12th, 2002, 7:56pm Hey Eyes......sorry I didn't get back to ya last night....but it seemed like you were doin' good.....as HP Pink just said: a righteous 4 can be a Life Changer.....L5....whew...... GOOD description of your experience and I'm hopin' ya got some relief from the HA's.....hang in bro.....best 2 ya and keep us updated.....Steve (.......film at 11 from the Church of Monday Night Football....cut me a copy.....please?) |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by kristi on Jul 12th, 2002, 8:17pm Hi Pinky, I have been curious about this before, but am more so now due to eyes_afire's experience. Is there any evidence that suggests that a clusterhead can "overdose" on shrooms? I don't actually mean overdose in the usual drug sense. I mean (I think :D) - can too much psylocibin, or perhaps too high of a trip level, have a detrimental affect on achieving relief, or on aborting the cycle, or could it even start a cycle? You were quite specific in some of your posts that achieving a trip level around 2 was the most advantageous. And I realize that the point of those statements was that anything less would probably not allow the best results. But you did not directly address the affects of "more," and I came away with the feeling that there was a perfect range - level 2 to 3. Crudely put, I would hate to see Scott dose again at the 6 month mark, overdo it, and accidentally "reset" the hypothalamus to the "clusters on" setting! Thank you, and Flash, as always, from the bottom of our hearts for leading us to this path, for taking away Scott's pain, and for improving our lives as well as the lives of our friends here. God chooses His messangers wisely, in part for their knowledge and ability to understand, in part for their willingness and patience to teach, and in part for the empathy for others that motivates them. I'm sure He is not disappointed in His decision. PFDAN to all and lots of painfree blessings to you eyes_afire! Kristi |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 12th, 2002, 8:24pm Very excellent questions Pinky, the trip was unbelieveable... like an alternate universe... very beautiful. I made the tea according to the recipe you posted. I added 2 teaspoons of instant coffee and 3 teaspoons of sugar. Basically, it tasted like coffee with a hint of lemon flavor. It didn't taste bad at all to me (I don't know if that would have been the case without adding the coffee and the sugar). I chugged it in 1 gulp... in about 10 seconds. I experienced slight excess bloating and gaseous feeling when returning to earth and for the remainder of the night, err... I mean morning (before returning to earth I was in another realm, so it is hard to say if the bloating actually started before returning to earth ;D). Immediately after returning to earth, my mind felt foggy to reality but was still racing with grand thoughts and I felt energetic. I was walking around re-acquainting myself with my apartment for most of the early morning. For most of today, my mind has felt energetic and clear, but my body has felt lethargic. So, I wanted to sleep often, and I did, but it wasn't easy because my mind was still racing and didn't feel sleepy although my body felt tired. Over the past 2 weeks, my CH danger-zone has been the unusual times of 9:45am and/or 2:30pm. This morning, 9:45am came and went without even a hint of shadows or CH. This afternoon at around 2:30pm or 3:00pm I felt a bit of pressure behind my left eye and I felt burning only for about 10 seconds, then the burning left. These shadows weren't very bad and I didn't even consider taking any meds because somehow I knew they would leave quickly. Today, my head and eye felt better than they have in a while... better now without any meds, than most days when I was taking many meds. Ultimately, time will tell because this cycle has been long and persistent. Pinky, you're right, NO amount of alcohol can even compare to this trip. I don't much like the way excessive alcohol makes me feel, however this mushroom trip was the most liberating and cathartic feeling ever. It was BEAUTIFUL and mind-blowing. Having said this, it would be tough to trip with regularity because it is tiring. I feel like I lived many lifetimes within a few hours. Slammy, I'm sure Pinky is right that most will have success with much lower doses. I was probably in the range of 4 - 4.5 grams. My best advice: have a 'baby-sitter' for yourself. It would have helped ease my return to earth and would have given me more info on my trip. Before dosing, my CH was frustrating me alot and my attitude toward dosing was very cavalier, plus I was feeling adventurous, plus I was a bit naive to the power of shrooms and how to dose. But I have no regrets... it was magnificent. My CH was making me desperate and impatient and I probably would have done almost anything to myself in order to get rid of CH. I really wanted to break out a good crop o' whoopass on the beast and enjoy my revenge for all the times CH have messed everything up, especially recently at my sister's wedding and the demolition derby last weekend. Thanks again everyone. I'll update on my progress. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by scottie on Jul 12th, 2002, 9:14pm EA, I just want to say that you are too cool. Damn Damn Damn Damn. Why didn't I overdo it too. I'm jealous of all the fun you had. I thought that watching a moth turn kamikaze and zoom into an electrical fence and explode into flames was intense. It sounds as though you would have been freaked and would try to figure out why a moth with everything to live for would choose to end it all. LOL Level 5. I'm SO THERE next time depending on how the HP Pink responds to my better half. Seriously though, it is great to have an account such as yours on here. You had the perfect mind set for carrying out this form of treatment. Large Kudos to you. You also were able to put into words about things that even the greatest Bards in history (including Sailpappy) would have fallen short on. I also want to take a moment to thank a few people myself. Rick, Stecolor, Flash, The Pink One, Slammy, and also Kristi, who while not being a direct sufferer of the pain from the beast, she is still on here everyday willing to lend an ear or hand to help all people, not just me. There are also some whom I can't remember by name right now, but all of you were a great support to me, some indirectly and some directly. Pinksharkmark, A special word out to you for all of the knowledge that you have purveyed to us. I hope that my praising you in this way will not put you out of sorts. We have never communicated directly but I feel that you are a close friend for the aid that you were able to provide to me with just your written words. I also want to send a special thank you to Flash for having the intelligence to figure this out although you had to suffer some personal hells in your life to get there. I am not the least bit ashamed to say that I love all of you. Yes even Kristi. LOL EA I hope that you have PFDAN4EVER. May you never feel the jab of the hot poker in your temple. This prayer goes out to all Clusterheads. Much love to you all. Later. Hey Sammy don't disappear on us. Scottie |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by pinksharkmark on Jul 13th, 2002, 1:19am on 07/12/02 at 20:17:03, kristi wrote:
I'm not sure. Taken one at a time: a) achieving relief -- the evidence we have from most experimenters seems to indicate the reverse: the higher the dose, the greater the chance of immediate relief. I will point out, however, that Ted, for one, (a chronic clusterhead), has reported actually experiencing a cluster attack while still high, and though he didn't assign a "Level" number to his experience, I believe he usually goes for a pretty solid dose. Others who have attempted milder doses have sometimes been hit with a CH while still high, but I believe those folks were all at the less heroic levels. Hopefully any of them reading this post will correct me if I am wrong. My guess (and it's just my opinion) is that the stronger the dose, the less likely it is to experience an attack while still "under the influence". I think the vasoconstrictor effect of the hallucinogen in and of itself would tend to prevent an attack from occurring. b) aborting the cycle -- Again, from the reports we have, it appears that often a higher single dose, particularly for those at the peak of their cycles, seems to be more effective than a lower single dose. On the other hand, so many have achieved success with two or sometimes three lower doses that I am hesitant to recommend the single "heroic dose" technique over the more conservative approach, especially for a psychedelic "virgin". I am of the opinion that the higher doses will work better, but I have no hard evidence to prove it. There are just too few reports currently available from people who've taken as much as Eyes_Afire did to be able to draw any conclusions that have statistical validity. c) triggering a new cycle -- I've seen no reports of this. I personally think it unlikely, regardless of the size of dose taken, that someone in mid-remission would initiate a new cycle ahead of its natural time. I might be wrong about this, but I'll point out that an episodic clusterhead in remission can do just about EVERYTHING wrong: get drunk every night for a month, eat MSG, sniff noxious chemical fumes, whatever -- and still not initiate a cycle, or even a single CH, for that matter. Quote:
Correct. I believe the best results are achieved with a MINIMUM "Level 2" dosage. Sure, there have been some who have reported excellent results at less than that, but they are in the minority. Besides, the difference between "Level 1" and "Level 2" is more subtle than the difference between "Level 2" and "Level 3", so it's possible some reporters were underestimating their actual state. Quote:
I won't say it's impossible. All I can say is that if it happens, it will be the first case I have come across. I've given some pretty serious thought to the idea of making my own upcoming "booster shot" a real humdinger, but I fear when the time actually comes, I'll most likely opt for the more conservative approach. Even though the thought of travelling through that unutterably bizarre (yet hauntingly beautiful) other world once again holds undeniable appeal, I do believe my days of "Level 5 voyaging" are thirty years behind me. pinky |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by rick on Jul 13th, 2002, 1:19am Eyes, "Loveless" is one of my top favorite best number one albums of all time. I am a rabid MBV fan, and that album goes hand in hand w/psychedelics. You should also check out their "Tremolo" E.P., it's basically the "To Here Knows When" single. And thanks for the info on your strain of medication. I just might have some Ecuadors for my next treatment, it sounds as though they are quite effective :D. Keep us posted brother! -Rick |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 13th, 2002, 5:05pm Update: This morning I experienced very brief and mild shadows at around 9:30 am. This afternoon I had a CH attack breakthru at 2:45pm. The attack was relatively mild and short (Kip 6 or 7 for about 50 or 60 minutes). I avoided using any meds for the attack in order to determine if the shrooms have had any effect on the duration or intensity. I believe the shrooms have had some positive effect, but how much of an effect remains to be seen. I have to say that ordinarily I would be much worse off since I haven't taken any imitrex since July 10 or any verapamil for the past 7 or 8 days. Rick: I think the years 1988 - 1992 were a time of unique musical creativity and those years may have been a zenith in post-modern sonic art. There were 3 albums which forever changed my perception of the possibilities of sonic art. These are unqualified all-time classics of all the sonic arts (and 3 of my very favorite albums): Surfer Rosa 1988 - Pixies Daydream Nation 1988 - Sonic Youth Loveless 1991 - My Bloody Valentine These 3 are works of pure genius and should be mandatory listening for anyone interested in the sonic arts. I only wish there was more art like that nowadays. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by rick on Jul 14th, 2002, 2:23am Eyes, I'm going to IM you later so that we can continue our discussion of music 8). You said that your attack had shrunk in intensity and duration. What is your typical kip level and length of attack? I noticed a decrease in intensity and duration right away after my first dose, but what felt so different to me after dosing was that my attacks didn't seem to really bother me anymore, if that makes any sense. I was able to function normally while having one. Did you experience this while you got hit today? My attacks continued to decrease each day following my first dose. And remember, it took me a few doses to lock the beast up in its cage, after which I had to continue dosing to keep the mofo there. >:( ;D-R |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 14th, 2002, 8:43pm Rick: Since eliminating Verapamil, I was getting crushed with Kip 8s and 9s for a couple of days which would have probably lasted 90 minutes unmedicated (meaning no imitrex or oxygen). It's kinda like the CH beast has been somewhat 'de-fanged' since the shroom dose. Yesterday's attack, although not as severe as usual, did bother me enough to interfere with normal activities. Today: No big shadows (just a brief bit of pressure behind eye at 4:45pm), no CH, and NO meds. The last time I was able to say that would have been at least 10.5 months ago :o :o :o. Wow, I hope this lasts, but I'm almost afraid it's too good to last! |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by scottie on Jul 14th, 2002, 8:49pm No fear Eyes! This is for REAL!! Each of the 4 shadows and 2 HA I got in the first 5 days after dosing, felt about the same. Kinda like here it comes, here it comes, HERE IT COMES.......hey, where did it go!! The beast just couldn't get up the strength to really hit me. GOD I LOVE THAT! Nothin' - no shadows, no HA - now for 46 days!! And no meds the entire time! Hope you keep up the PFDAN man! Scottie |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by gtarman on Jul 16th, 2002, 12:53pm Sorry to barge in here, but my CH experience almost exactly mirrors Eyes_Afire's, and since I'm in the middle of my first batch of shrooms, I'm intensely interested in other sufferer's experiences and results. EA, did you dry your shrooms before ingesting? You indicate that the one you gobbled was 2.5 grams - but was that whole or dried? The stuff I've seen indicates that dry weight is maybe 10% of whole weight, so I don't wanna eat 2 grams of dried and wind up on my way to Pluto for a week. Also, how are you doing now? I'm in month 14 of cycle 2, but haven't had anything over a KIP/5 since last August, just constant pressure behind my eyes and forehead, and twinges on the right side of nose that fluctuate between 1 and 5. And depression; lots of that, but maybe that's just me. Thanks again to all you guys, we may all be different as hell but we're all in the same boat and I wouldn't trade this website for anything. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by Not4Hire on Jul 16th, 2002, 1:54pm .......likewise, I'm barging in here, but I'm quite sure the 1/2 to 2 gram weight dose is for dried.......HP Pink has The Hammer Info on this....results are quite subjective (i.e. each person has his/her own limits/capacities) and reactions to a particular dose....... ........oh yeah, gtarman........you dont't go to Pluto in ANY case......more likely to GOOFY ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 16th, 2002, 7:19pm :)Hi gtarman. Yup the shrooms were dried. On a per gram basis, dried will be much more potent because shrooms are mostly water, but drying is the most accurate way of dosing. First I fan dried them for 24 hours, then I put them in a dessicator I constructed, for a couple of days to completely dry them. I pulled out a big shroom which weighed about 2.5 grams, but I didn't believe my scale ::), plus I didn't want to underdose because then I would have to wait another 5 days before re-dosing ::). (By this time I was getting hammered with CH due to tapering off all meds so I was also desperate). So I added another slightly smaller shroom. So I really dosed probably around 4.5 grams dried... which ended up being a rather substantial dose. I extracted the psilocybin using 'The Pink One's Kick Ass Mushroom Tea'. However frightening my description may sound, the experience was very BEAUTIFUL and extremely BLISSFUL. The trip alone was an eye-opening experience for me. The good news is that if you don't want to experience such extreme 'side effects' all you need to do is dose smaller. I think many people have success with about 2 grams. BTW, I was thinking maybe I could play my guitar after dosing but due to the large dose, I was in Far Yonder Outer Space and that would have been impossible. But just remember smaller dose = less side effects. Like dosing with alcohol.... a few drinks and you're feeling good, relaxed, and a little buzzed... a few cases and you're puking, dizzy, and blacking out. Once again today... no CH, no major shadows, no meds. Even if I thought the trip would have been unpleasant I still would have dosed anyway. I will do nearly anything to myself to get rid of CH. CH PISSES ME OFF >:( >:( >:(! Maybe my CH will return soon... who knows... but it is worth the try... besides the trip was BEAUTIFUL....beyond words.... MAGNIFICENT! |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by tommyD on Jul 16th, 2002, 7:45pm Gtarman - If the clusters aren't hitting you too hard, you may be able to get by with a small dose. Enough for a level 1 trip might do it, maybe a half-gram. If it doesn't, try again next week with one gram. If it does, a second dose of a half gram will help put the beast away good. It depends on the individual and the species of shroom, but I was getting two month's relief from two doses (a week apart) of a half-gram (dried) of what was probably cubensis. It altered my consciousness about as much as two bourbon and waters (how I miss bourbon and cold spring water), but of course it a different kind of altered. Then I tried a half-gram of a new batch, fresher and a different species, and had a nice level 2.5 unexpected but not unpleasent....grinning ear to ear, laughing at the cat, grooving to van morrison, bruce hornsby, grateful dead (for old times sake), other such old fart music, watching the trees dance,. My wife never even noticed...I guess goofy is my normal appearance. In my wild youth, I've come close to EA's experience, but that was on LSD...and yes, it changed my concept of existence. Don't think this old brain is up for that sort of thing anymore.... -tommyD |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by Flash on Jul 17th, 2002, 1:10pm I'd recommend staying clear of big doses because: a) It isn't necessary. From what we've seen someone taking a Level 3 or 4 is just as likely to require weekly repeat doses in order to break the cycle as someone taking level 2 doses. There is however a solid argument for reaching at Level 2 if dosing during an episode or chronic... and I have experienced it first hand! Underdosing (especially taking a very small dose) may make the headaches temp worse. This ONLY occurs if the patient doses during an episode or is chronic. The best time to dose is slap between episodes (or a minimum of once every 6 months if the patient used to be chronic). As far as I can tell Level 1 doses are just as effective as Level 2 and upwards when taken between episodes. Please bear in mind I've been dosing since Jan 1993, coming on 10 years now. b) Anxiety attacks during a trip are very very nasty. Even on a Level 2 experience, someone worrying that their heart is beating to fast can enter into a state of near panic. At Level 2 person will always manage to calm themself down. This happens at level 3 it can be close to phoning an ambulance stage (although nothing is actually wrong). Level 4 or 5 and the person will seriously freek out. Freeking out at those levels usually leads to a huge reluctance ever to trip again. To digress, the heart probably isn't beating any faster than normal (at least until the person panics). Firstly mild time distortion may be taking place, making it seem as if the heart is beating much faster. Secondly a person tripping whilst taking their pulse may not actually be feeling their pulse at all but imagining that they can and it's doing 200bpm. Worrying about stoopid shit like this is rare below level 3, and never comes to much. Level 3 can cause some percieved problems. Above that I shudder to think what a bad trip would be like. Also... past performance is no indication. You might have had the most pleasant trip ever last year only to wind up screaming the place down this time. Be carefulk! These days I stick mainly to Levels 1 or 2. If I was planning going higher for recreational purposes then I'd have a couple of aclimatisation trips a couple of weeks beforehand - just to get back into the swing of things. This year I will be using LSD as a preventative for the first time since 1994. 1/4 of a hit, although I intend to examine the paper under UV light first to see where the stain is, just in case all the fuckin acid is on the corner that I planned to cut off - hey it wouldn't be the first time! I should also mention that I've been really busy of late now that I have 2 businesses and am trying to move back into my house. Sorry I have been uinable to contribute more to this debate the last 4 months. Finally - does anyone else get their muscles twitching on a regular basis. Fascillations I think their known as. This has been on going with me for 1.5 years now, and I've only just managed to convince myself that I'm not coming down with ALS (give that none of my muscles have wasted). I 'm wondering if the total fuckin torture I went through with CH just over 1.5 years ago may have fried some neurons. I underdosed during peak cycle and ended up with 6 x 3 hour #10s every day for 5 days before the episode ended 6 weeks ahead of schedule. The dose I took was minute - acutally sub level 1, right off the bottom of the scale. I do not recommend this course of action. Anyway since then every fuckin part of my body has twitched at one time or another (especially my right thigh). Sometimes things twitch for days. Fingers are especially annoying. Drinking too much probably doesn't help. Any thoughts? Flash |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 17th, 2002, 2:57pm Hi Flash. I'm glad you posted here. I may be living proof that Flash is correct: "a) It isn't necessary. From what we've seen someone taking a Level 3 or 4 is just as likely to require weekly repeat doses in order to break the cycle as someone taking level 2 doses." Today I'm experiencing significant very persistent shadows and at 11:15am I got crushed with an attack >:( >:( >:(. It has been 6 days since my initial dose. I'm contemplating whether it is time to do another dose, but it will be a smaller dose for sure... probably around 2.5 grams. Thanks Flash, your input is very valuble. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by scottie on Jul 17th, 2002, 3:18pm EA, If you really feel the need to redose again then by all means do it but if you think you can stand it then I would be curious to see if you have the same results that I had. Remember that I had 2 right around the 5 day mark and then nothing. Now I would have redosed had I been able to find those damn elves but as luck would have it I couldn't and nothing ever happened. If we really are doing our own research then I think that this would be a perfect opportunity. That said I don't want anyone to experience any pain if they can keep from it so if you do redose then that's fine. I will try it on myself again when my next cycle comes along in about 9 months. One dose did completely abort my cycle at the peak. Well gotta go. Good luck whichever way you try it. Scottie |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 17th, 2002, 3:28pm About twitching: I am an exclusively left-sided clusterhead. During peak of cycle my left eye will burn and twitch constantly. This cycle my eye burned and twitched constantly for the entire month of March 2002 every minute of every day. Early in the cycle (Sept 2001) my left pectoral muscle twitched for weeks. Later in the cycle (Dec 2001 - Jan 2002) my left thumb twitched for weeks, but that may have been due to nerve irritation from rigorous guitar practice. I can say that my eye and eyebrow twitch is probably related to my CH, but I'm not convinced about the pectoral muscle and the thumb just yet since this is the first cycle that they have twitched (but the cycle before this current one was the most brutal cycle I've experienced... so maybe damage accumulates... who knows?). But the eye twitch always accompanies the CH cycle. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by steColor on Jul 17th, 2002, 6:08pm Hey all, Eyes, so glad you enjoyed dose #1, and for the words in the english language.....just not there....I can relate LOL....It is pretty cool huh? Welcome to the Fungus Jungle!! Wish I could have been there with you, so does everyone else. toward the middle to the end of my therapy..(I did the Pinky Kick ass tea deal) ...I had ummm....ummm....okay....GAS...kinda ODD feeling during therapy....felt like I was the blimp for awhile....but I quickly learned how to deal with it...and all was well LOL Slammy, Eyes has the biggest cajonas of anyone I can think of right now. LOL...he really went for the "gusto" but you do not have to go that far at all for success. Others on this post have explained the same.....lower doses = less trippy happenings.....level 1 for example is like having a drink or two...thats it I think. so Shoot for level 1 to get your feet wet...and get some RELIEF!!!! It feels so friggin GREAT to have some relief. Then go higher doses as needed when you confidence builds. Please think again about the therapy. Scottie......soooooo soooooooo glad you are doing so well....your comment...."SO THERE", cracked me up...me too LOL (and Kristi.....thanks so much for your support to all.....you remind me of my wife) Rick .....still okay I hope??? any other dosings? Gtarman.....good luck... To the rest of the regulars....thanks so much for your info. it helps BIGTIME PFDAN to one and ALL!! STEC |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by rick on Jul 18th, 2002, 12:26am Flash, As always, thank you for the feedback. You are our most successful case study, information and advice from you is always appreciated. Congratulations on almost ten years of success! You give us hope, brother, I think I can speak for all of us on that one, if I may. I can't say that I've experienced any twitching. You did suggest alcohol as possibly being part of the problem. I rarely drank over the past few years, and haven't had any alcohol for over 8 months currently. Hope that helps you some, if at all. I'm currently debating how often I will be taking maintenance doses. I typically get roughly 2 years and 4 months of remission, and I'm considering dosing every 6 months as opposed to every 14 (the midpoint of my remission period). I'm concerned that I made need more maintenance than most, since I required weekly doses for over 2 months to keep the beast in check this past cycle. I had to take a few more "journeys" than most to ensure my continued relief. And my last statement above may be of importance to you, Eyes. You may need a number of doses, keep that in mind. Looking back, I dosed every 4-5 days in the beginning, when I probably now would give myself about 6 days in between each treatment. But remember, everyone's physiology is different as far as reacting to psilocybin, monitor yourself and use your own best judgement. I also believe, although this is only an assumption, that the longer you detox from the meds you've been on, the better the chance the shrooms will have of working. Back to Flash: If you don't mind me asking, do you use caffeine on a regular basis? Thank you again, for personally taking the time to help me out with everything over the past few months. SteColor: I'm feeling great still, thanks for checking on me. I'm just praying that we all continue to have as much success as our Scottish friend has had. How you doin'? Scott: Sorry I haven't called you back bro. I'm working like a freak with little time off trying to catch up on $$$ lost from my last cycle. We have to talk about our trip... uh, vacation. Last time I dosed, I threw 3g of shrooms, a half-pint of blueberries, honeydew, and ice into a blender. 8) SWEEEEEET!!!! -R |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by rick on Jul 18th, 2002, 12:30am on 07/16/02 at 19:45:14, tommyD wrote:
T- I just bought my girl a Dead CD today bro, and she's only 25 ::). I guess going to school in Oregon can do that to a girl :D. Peace, -R |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 18th, 2002, 12:39am Well, it's 1:11am in my time zone and the only reason why I'm at my computer is because my left nose is stuffy so I don't dare try to sleep until it passes. Anyway, I took a supplemental dose of 2.6 grams at 5:25pm on 07/17 because I didn't like the way my CH seemed to be acting up. For those unsure about trying this treatment: Feer nowt. I bring good tidings back from the other side: 1. Heed the advice of Flash and Pinky, for they are wise and experienced in the Powers Psychedelic. Sure, I could have dosed higher but right now I have more practical matters to tend to (like waking up for work later this morning). Flash pointed out that there doesn't appear to be much benefit to dosing in the Trip 4 or 5 range and I'm living proof that he may be correct otherwise I wouldn't be supplementing 6 days later like others who tripped at level 2 (But damn, tripping at level 4 or 5 is MUCH FUNNER than tripping at level 2). 2. The Trip Scale is NOT linear, it is exponential. Tripping at level 4 and 5 is worlds apart from tripping at level 2. This is good news for those who enjoy the trip (greater return on the investment) AND for those who don't enjoy the trip. Since I dosed at 2.6 grams instead of 4.6 grams you would think that the psychoactive effects would be about halved, right? Wrong. The psychoactive effects at 2.6 grams are only a fraction of the psychoactive effects at 4.6 grams. No shit. I kid you not. And returning from the trip was actually very easy. During this trip I was probably only able to make 1 profound observation. I was listening to the tune 'Erics Trip' from Sonic Youth's classic album Daydream Nation. In this song the main character, Eric (who is tripping), is described as 'fucking the future'. And of course I found this lyric to be hilarious ::), I mean, how is it possible to be 'fucking the future'? When I figure that out, I'll let y'all know 8). |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by gtarman on Jul 18th, 2002, 7:21am Hi everyone - this is one great thread. My home computer died last month so I have to communicate from work now and don't have much time. EA - I had assumed from your description of a whole shroom that you ate it raw but now I understand that it was a whole DRIED shroom. I'm also on verapamil which is helping but still having bad shadows and twinges. Like you, I pray to meet CH in a dark alley in physical form so I can tear it limb from limb. Not that I'm a badass by any stretch, but just gimme ONE SHOT at it... By the way, what kinda axe do you play? I've got a Zion Turbostrat, an old Squier strat I customized, a Tom Petty signature Ric 12-string, and a Tak elec-acoustic. All sitting in my music room, since who could book a gig when you've got CH? (Gee, lookit the guitar player - why's he banging his head on the floor monitor?). A question for anybody - my 2nd cycle started Apr '01 and has never left, even tho' I haven't had any major (over KIP5) attacks since last August. Am I episodic or chronic? Chronisodic? Tommy - I too had LSD experience long long ago in a galaxy far far away, but I don't wanna go there either, just want relief from this CSMFSOB. Oh yeah - Fungue amongue? |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by kristi on Jul 18th, 2002, 2:16pm Fungue amongue? Oh, that's good! VERY good! LMFAO! |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by gtarman on Jul 18th, 2002, 3:23pm (Elvis voice, reveling in applause): Thank ya, ladies an gennulmun, thank ya thank ya. Tommy can use it on his sidebar, if he desires. No charge for Creative Services... Anybody know how long I'll be a damn Newbie? 50 posts? 100? Also, how do ya get those freakin' emoticons in place? That's right, I'm not a computer genius... |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 18th, 2002, 9:19pm Hi Scottie, thanks for wishing me well. I didn't feel like it would be a good idea to wait any longer to redose because my CH felt like it was firing up into high gear again. I don't want to let it get out of control because I'm in the midst of a job transfer. Since re-dosing I haven't had CH, but I've had shadows throughout today. Hi Gtarman. Chronics are defined as being in cycle for at least a year with only 2 weeks of pain free... I guess that means you qualify. I know what you mean about wanting to beat on the CH Beast. I'm so sick of CH messin up all the good things. That's why I decided to break out a crop-o'-whoopass. My cycle has been going on for nearly 11 months and I fear I'm going chronic, so I wanted to try something that had a chance to end the cycle (instead of just covering it up like verapamil). My 3 guitars: Hamer Standard FM, Hamer Diablo, Ibanez RG series 7-string. I wish I was still playing through a tube amp because the sound is superior ::) but my old one (Crate Blue Voodoo) just became too much hassle ::). When replying to messages, clicking on the smileys at the top adds them to the body of the message 8). |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by scottie on Jul 18th, 2002, 9:48pm EA, I don't blame you for worrying about a new job. I know how strange it looks to new fellow employees to see you go flying through the workplace , holding your head, crying out obscenities, soaking the floor with your tearing eyes and smacking little old ladies that are shopping for bras because they won't get out of your fucking way while you are doing the hop on one leg dance trying to get to the bottle of oxygen stashed in your office. Kind of ruins that cool new person image. Nope, don't blame you one bit. LOL. Continued PFDAN2U ;D Scottie |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by scottie on Jul 18th, 2002, 9:54pm Gtarman, 50 gets you junior status and 100 gets you veteran status. 1000 gets you smacked at the convention for spending too damn much time on the freaking computer between now and Vancouver. Hope this helps to clear things up. LOL Scottie 8) 8) :P ::) :-[ :-X :-/ >:( ;) |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 19th, 2002, 7:50pm I'm glad to report that the supplemental dose has knocked the CH Beast on his ass again. I haven't touched imitrex, verapamil, or oxygen for 8 days. This is remarkable! I'm amazed! |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by rick on Jul 20th, 2002, 12:02am :D :D :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by kristi on Jul 20th, 2002, 10:25am HELL YA, EA! Have you had any HA or shadows during those 8 days? Hope it continues forever! Luv, K |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 20th, 2002, 3:14pm Hi Kristi. Only 2 CH attacks in those 8 days. The one right after the first dose, and the one right before the second dose. It seems like the strongest shadows occur right after a shroom dose and right before it's time to re-dose. Considering that I haven't been on verapamil, imitrex, or oxygen... this is incredible. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by kristi on Jul 20th, 2002, 4:50pm Awesome EA! Incredible is a great word for it! Expecially being painfee and med-free at the same time! Scott was on nuerontin year-round, and antidepressants and sleeping pills for the side affects. He was so used to it he took them on time every day like clock-work. Seven weeks later, he's so used to NOT taking ANYTHING that he can't even remember to take a daily vitamin. ;D Life is sweet! Keep smilin'! K |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by justin on Jul 22nd, 2002, 4:31pm went to amsterdam and tried a quarter dose of the weakest kinds. had a slight trip and did not enjoy it. be very careful. i suffer from anxiety and panic attacks so i should have known better but i was desperate to make the CH stop and i thought i could fight off the bad thoughts. i was wrong. coming down was rough and lasted into the next day. don't do it if you have doubts. they will cary over into bad thoughts during your trip jd |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by scottie on Jul 22nd, 2002, 5:26pm Justin, You hit the nail on the head. The right frame of mind has to be the starting point for this method or you will have the adverse effects that you mention. I personnally would not have been able to relax anywhere in Amsterdam so that would have been the wrong environment for me. I believe that by staying at home in my castle where I am "one" of the rulers afforded me the best chance for success. This is one of those things that you really need to follow what has worked for everyone else. In my youth a party might have been a good environment but these days it is at home with my family that I feel the most comfortable. If you have the right attitude starting out and you mix that with the right environment and the best possible "meds" then I think that you will see more success. Sorry it didn't work for you though maybe next time it will. Lot's of Luck bud. Scottie |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by rick on Jul 23rd, 2002, 12:57am Scottie, You hit the nail on the head. I enjoyed recreational use of hallucinogens in the past in a recreational setting. Now, "comfort zone" is the name of the game. Are you going to be around Wednesday? -R |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by scottie on Jul 23rd, 2002, 6:49am Rick, I won't be home until about 6:00pm Eastern time. Call me after that and if you don't reach me then leave a message and I will call you back. Later. Scottie |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 23rd, 2002, 7:20pm Sorry gang, I had to redose on 7/22 (3 grams). I'm a little depressed. Dosing on weeknights is difficult. (Tripping is not a problem, its the ramifications) Doorbells are not good and neither is my mood. I think I'm going to have to try to restart verapamil to help me get to the weekends to dose. The shrooms work good for 5 or 6 days, and then BAM!, the beast throws down the hammer. So far, total of 3 doses. Maybe my hopes are too high :-/. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by scottie on Jul 23rd, 2002, 7:37pm EA, I'm sorry your having pain man. I was really hoping that you would finally dispatch the beast for good. Wait your days and then try another dose. Maybe you do need to go a little higher. Also try to relax and keep the outlook that if it works it works but if it doesn't then you are still no worse off than if you hadn't tried. Good luck bud. Scottie |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by Not4Hire on Jul 23rd, 2002, 9:33pm Hey Eyes.....don't get discouraged bro....it took me 6 *voyages* @ Warp Factor 2-3+ to bust my cycle and had 2-3 days of despair each time when the fuckin' beast came back....this may (or may NOT) be normal....... my main concern now is that my *crop* is not growin'.... in case I need to *lay off* ;D 8) Remember, that you need to DETOX to give our friend a clear shot at the creepy MOFO...... keep us updated and don't lose the faith..... yer already ahead of the game if ya only had a few days PF....... IM me or email.... we're here 24/7...... best and HANG IN...Steve |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by rick on Jul 24th, 2002, 2:37am on 07/23/02 at 21:33:29, Not4Hire wrote:
Eyes, I have to agree with Steve here, and I know that Flash would most definitely agree with this. I spoke with PinkFloyd last night, and he told me that it took him 5 doses the first time he broke a cycle. It has taken me about 14, I believe, to keep my beast down. By dosing continually, I kept myself out of pain, and I was able to go to work without trouble, which for me made it all worthwhile. Some of us require more doses than others, and this may be the same case for you. I know in my case, continual dosing was far easier on my system than taking meds. And it actually worked, unlike my many prescriptions. I actually stopped having "shroom hangovers" after awhile. As long as you are seeing relief, stay focused on that. Eventually you will be able to stretch out the length of time between doses. Hang in there brother, I'm sending you a CD on Thursday.8) Peace, -Rick |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by steColor on Jul 24th, 2002, 12:13pm Hey Eyes, Sorry you're still in pain. BUT on the other side of the coing you DO HAVE some relief....for me that is better than the daily attacks and the overwhelming 24/7 preoccupation with thinking about the beast. It seems the 5-7 day period is the duration time for putting off the beast until another dose is sometimes needed. I hear ya about the mid week dosing.....fortunately I have been able to hold mine off until Friday nights. From what I have gathered on here...it may not be too unusual to need additional doses....I am in the same boat as you. I did two doses mid last month (one week apart) and just last Friday night needed to redose but alas....my shrooms lost their potency, BARELY achieved level 1 if that. I did 2 grams...and barely anything. With the same batch for my first dose I did the same amount and easily achieved level 3. I gotta get a crop going or find those friggin elves again. Keep thinking about the relief you have had.....and maybe that will help you...it helped me...when the beast came around again.... Later and PFDAN STEC |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 24th, 2002, 7:00pm Thank you Scottie, Rick, Not4Hire, and SteColor. You guys are correct. I am pulling myself together and refocusing my efforts. Forget verapamil. I'm anticipating to have to redose shrooms on Sunday and am going to try to stick to a weekend schedule (On Saturdays I may suffer but at least I won't be at work). 3 doses is giving up too easily, I have to give more effort. I'm sorry, I just fell into a dark hole for a while there. The CH Beast is brutal and tough, but I don't want to give up without a fight... so for now... 'all guns blazing!' |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by sis on Jul 24th, 2002, 10:06pm Hi all, I am new to this whole thing and actually not a sufferer of CH's myself. My brother, Eyes Afire, (who hopefully won't mind me barging in on all this) shared this website with me. I want to offer him all of the help that i can and figured the best way to start was to get on the website and find out as much info as i can. I have read all of the replies regarding "The EA Experience" and was extremely moved! I am glad that you all have a support system like this. I feel frustrated in that i can't do anything to ease the pain, but i will be hoping and praying for all of you. Other than that i'm not sure there is too much else i can do. But i figured every little bit of support helps!! Thanks to all of you for sharing your experiences, it helps me to understand a little bit better. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 24th, 2002, 10:57pm :) :) :) |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by rick on Jul 25th, 2002, 1:04am Welcome Sis! Thank you for your concern and your support. We need it! ;D Hang in there Eyes. It's getting you through the week, right? Fight the mofo>:(. Didn't get to burn your CD today :-[ :-/. It's coming, I promise! Peace, -Rick |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 28th, 2002, 9:25pm Okay, redosed with a bit less than 3 grams today at around noon (?). The previous dose was Monday July 22. I had to use the O2 tank on Friday so I was very afraid that yesterday would be rough, but the beast never made an appearance yesterday ( ;D :P). The beast tried to assail me while under the influence of the dose today at around 3:30pm, but the shrooms kept things in check. Then at about 7:30pm this evening the beast stormed the castle walls and broke thru with a strong CH attack (a solid Kip 8 ), and I am still having very severe shadows. The nature of the CH pain today was a bit different... I had a higher percentage of very sharp shooting pains radiating from my eye. Basically it felt like Freddy Krueger was mashing my eyeball in his claw-hand. And here I go trying to be optimistic: if I remember correctly, toward the end of last cycle I experienced a higher percentage of those sharp shooting-type pains. So, I'm really hoping :-/ that this cycle ends soon. The fact that this is only the 2nd CH attack this week is a good thing especially since I'm not on any government drugs. I learned a couple of things about myself: 1. I'm no good playing video games while tripping. It's too hard to tell what's real and what's not. My reflexes are too slow. There is too much color and moving... it's all too much. 2. I can't follow storylines in movies while tripping. I tried to watch Jurassic Park III (even though I've already seen it). I simply could not follow the storyline. Basically, I was just watching images in sequence. I couldn't decipher the implications of the actions of the characters. Next trip I think I'll stick to more passive activities. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by rick on Jul 28th, 2002, 10:11pm Eyes, I believe Notseinfeld has had attacks right after dosing, although I am not exactly sure of how severe they were. Interesting that you stated the specific pains you were experiencing reminded you of the end of your last cycle. Hopefully you are getting there. Flash has stated that things can get a whole lot worse before they get better, but for the most part, your situation sounds like mine. I had to keep dosing and dosing to keep the beast down. And as I've said before, I'll take this over the meds any day. Are you still relatively pain free during the week? The last time I had to dose, I borrowed a friend's Play Station and played Madden '98 for hours. I usually watch Anime for movies, because even if I can't follow the plot, it's still visually stimulating. I highly recommend the film "Ghost In the Shell". I had to watch it 2 more times after my initial "therapy viewing" in order to figure out the plot, but it got better each time ::) 8) ;DR |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 28th, 2002, 11:18pm Howdy Rick. Thanks for checking in. I notice that the first 24 hours after dosing are usually rough. Then the beast fades away for the next 5 days. Sorry shadows are too heavy right now, I have to get off of the computer. I'll be back. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by rick on Jul 29th, 2002, 12:09am Your last post really jogged my memory, Eyes. I would feel like crap the following day after dosing. Sort of clustery, sort of hung over. Then on the following day after that...WOO-HOO! Eventually, that first day after feeling, or "shroom hangover", went away as well. Hang in there bro... Note to anyone else reading this: My shroom hangovers were not even close to as nasty as alcohol induced hangovers I've had. A big reason why I quit drinking entirely, because the day after can really be a drag. -Peace |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by Flash on Jul 29th, 2002, 7:32am I mentioned this before, but shrooms need to be viewed relative to other treatments as opposed to compared with miracles! How many other treatments are there that can terminate an episode within a handful of doses? Don't believe that hallucinogens have failed just because you needed to take them once a week for 4 consecutive weeks. On any other medication 4 doses in 2 days would be the norm, and likely as not there would be little positive effect. Refer to Henks recent update. Henk was chronic and initially had to dose weekly for wuite some time. Eventually he dropped to fortnightly, and then monthly. The last time he needed to dose was January this year. Henk needed to dose a lot, but always achieved a substantial PF period of at least 1 week (any other medication achieve more than 2 days from a single dose with any consistency?). Now Henk has achieved what is too all intents and purposes a 6 month remission without any requirement to dose. He still gets the odd twinge, but then he was CHRONIC prior to this treatment. Also bear in mind that most first timers are resorting to dosing during their episode, and usually at peak episode out of desparation. Hallucinogens are most effective between episodes - don't get complacent folks! Thanks for all your updates. Flash |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by unclfuzzy on Jul 29th, 2002, 8:48am Has anyone had the experience of having a CH while actually tripping at a level three or four? I was thinking that could mae for a very nasty trip. Or has most everyone's experience been that it keeps the headache down at least while the effects of the mushrooms are still going on? Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by rick on Jul 29th, 2002, 1:29pm on 07/29/02 at 07:32:58, Flash wrote:
I needed 14 doses :o. Am I upset about that? Hell no. I was pain free for the bulk of that time, with no side effects. That was all I wanted. Is this the norm for other shroomers? No. I required more than the average. Most people require the amount more in the realm of what Flash is talking about, maybe 4-5 doses. Scottie took only one. Everyone has there own specific needs which they need to determine by comparing themselves to ALL the other efforts they read about, and determine what works for them through careful analysis and use of there own best judgement. And by asking questions of those more experienced when the posted information fails to provide them with the answers they are looking for. I have dosed once now in the last month and a half, and I believe I am done for awhile. It got me through the rest of my cycle and allowed me to go back to work. Fuzz- I believe it's pretty uncommon to actually experience an attack while dosing. I had a shadow once for about ten minutes, but that was it. Some people have attacks right after dosing, but not during, from what I've seen. Peace-R |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by Bob P on Jul 29th, 2002, 2:15pm Aren't 4 or 5 doses, each a week apart, about the length of a normal cluster cycle? Did the shrooms kill it or did it just run it's course? |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by tommyD on Jul 29th, 2002, 4:08pm I'm too damn lazy to look it all up and do a count, but seems to me most people get relief after two doses, and the second is more for insurance than anything else. In my brief experience, two small doses, barely trip level 1, a week apart, holds me for two months. Took a bigger dose, trip level 2.5, in January, has kept me pain free, except for the occasional shadow, for going on seven months now... I could be wrong, and I'll yield to those who've kept better track, but it seems some of the recent reports, needing several doses, were more stubborn cases than usual... Some folks might not want to take a heavy trip, or they might not have the time or inclination to trip every weekend for a month or two... I maintain that most folks don't have to. I might be off track here, what's anybody think? My general philosophy is you should take the minimum dose that works... |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by steColor on Jul 29th, 2002, 5:28pm Hi Eyes, I think it is typical to have the CH come back like a day or two after dosing....THEN the 5 or so day break. That was my case. First dose....got one 2 days after....2nd dose...next day....but each case I had many PF days or at the most shadows.... So the CH a few days after dosing, for me anyways (and others I think) is typical. It does get ya down when it happens. BUT DO NOT!! things DO and WILL get better. I must admire Rick for his sticktuitness....he kept at it....like the energizer bunny....and he finally kicked it... Oh...by the way....I had my first drink in a looooong time...Saturday night, .had date night with the wife....and NO CH !!!! Finally got my beast I do believe!! Remember what other posts have said....not a miracle cure, and redosing seems to be the norm in most situations....But you seem to have some relief.Right? ...so the glass is half FULL and not half empty.... and off most of the meds? RIGHT FRIGGIN ON You got the beast by the neck....keep at it......and get him by the balls.... I too had the same experience as you....as far as the CH's and/or shadows feeling different after therapy..I can not put my finger on it exactly.....just different....not the norm....so I knew the shrooms were doing something... And as far as entertainment....I just set kinda let things roll....keep it simple...music is always good...the simple things seem to be the most entertaining....like a kid with a new toy.....the box the toy came out of gets alot of attention until it is thrown out....LOL UnclFuzz.... From what I have read on here...the chance of having a CH during therapy is very slim....I was worried too....that would be a bummer.but during therapy the beast is thousands of miles away. In fact somewhere in a link from here (which directed to some other webpage, and where it is I can not even begin to recall)...I read one person drank a whole friggin glass of whiskey (or something) and started getting a CH...then drank the tea.....and poof.....gone..... but getting a CH after or a day or two later may not be a surpise so keep that in mind. PFDAN STEC <---- holding a glass half FULL of water |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by steColor on Jul 29th, 2002, 6:09pm Hi BobP, I understand what you are trying to say about the duration of a cycle and therapy..... Coincidence? hmmm possibly BUT if it weren't for the PF breaks in between the dosings I may have to agree. But the almost PF breaks was all worth it for me between dosings. PS. I believe you posted a pic-tural of your crop in another thread....thankyou very much for that...very detailed. It will be a useful tool to look at when I get mine going. PFDAN STEC |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by kristi on Jul 29th, 2002, 7:23pm Howdy Everybody! Sorry I have all but disappeared but I have been traveling a lot lately. Unfortunately, personal use of work 'puter is forbidden and likely monitored, so I gotta wait 'til I get home and can check in on our personal one. Ho hum. Anyway, sounds like things are going well for all! Keep your chin up Eyes and don't get discouraged. There is definitely a great deal of positive in being able to stay med-free, and therefore med-side-affect free, and still being able to keep the beast reasonably under control. And who knows, your next dose might be the one that does the trick! Hope Scottie's great success has not caused anyone to get their hopes up too high - he was worried about that. Wish we knew if the magic formula was what he took, or how much he took, or just some reaction to his personal chemistry. Hell, wish we knew if that magic combo will work as well for him the next time. :-/ But the proof in this house is in the puddin', as they say. We finally got a sitter and hit the town Sat. night. Let's see, I believe his final count was 3 shots of tequila, a couple brewskys, and a couple of rum and cokes. ;D ;D ;D (ain't we bad!) 'Course I should note that he is now past the time when his cycle would have ended naturally, if it had not been aborted by the shrooms. So, maybe he ain't as much calling the beast, as what it seemed to me. But I was scared just the same. Not him - the Cult of Fungus been givin' him big hostas these days!!! ;) SteC, Rick - miss you guys. So glad to hear you are both still getting relief and finally moving on. Will keep sending best wishes for continuing success. Again, Eyes_Afire - all my thoughts, wishes, and prayers are with you that you will continue to get relief and soon bury the beast for good! Oh, and Sis - welcome to the fam'ly! PFDAN! K |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 29th, 2002, 7:28pm Flash is correct. Right now mushrooms are working more effectively than any other meds I have taken. My cycles usually 'only' last 6 months so I wasn't expecting to be using mushrooms against this cycle since it should have ended 4 or 5 months ago. When I realized my cycle was not leaving I decided to use the shrooms to try to break the cycle. I will continue using the shrooms with the goal of spreading out the doses when I no longer experience CH attacks between my current dosing schedule. For now, dose day will be Sundays. Thanks everyone for the input. It has helped me refocus. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by Bob P on Jul 29th, 2002, 11:25pm Color, Just thinking. Flash and Pinky have said that the shrooms "shut the door" for 5 days. To me that says that the stuff is still in your system working for 5 days after dosing. I could see how this would result in 2 or 3 days PF and then a gradual return of CH as the stuff wears off. Maybe psilocin has a 2 day half life. Works great for the first couple of days and gradualy wears off. Like prednisone is used to break a cycle, maybe the break for a couple of days is what one's system needs to get itself back in order. Maybe psilocin and pred both supply this needed break in order for our system to get itself back into normal operation and kick the CH cycle. Just thinking and guessing here. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by Ted on Jul 29th, 2002, 11:59pm For over a year I've been trying to get Pink or Flash to write an article on the shroom treatment for the newsletter. It never used to be so accepted and I thought the word needed to get out there because it was logical and has helped a number of people, me included, get some sort of relief. We are in a different time now. Here at the board it is accepted because of the relief it's brought so many people. I no longer am looking for a piece from an advocate but would prefer something from someone who will be like Bob is being. Objective who will accept the fact it will help some people but also not sitting there advocating it as a magic bullet. I'd love for Bob to write the article because he's accepting of its benefits but not taking it as something that doesn't need some answers gained. So, if you are willing to suspend disbelief or total faith, and want to write an article on it, or anything else, write me at jayacat2@aol.com. PS, I'd ask Bob but I think his plate is far past full. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by rick on Jul 30th, 2002, 2:06am on 07/29/02 at 23:25:42, Bob P wrote:
Interesting, and it makes sense. I don't know about two days, but I would have a pain free week, and then start feeling shadowy again on days 6-9, anywhere in there. I'd take another dose, and feel, great again. 8)R |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Jul 30th, 2002, 6:35pm It seems that CH gets aggravated for about 24 hours following shroom dose, then fades away until around day 6. Yesterday I had no CH symptoms at all. This morning I had strong shadows, but nothing else for the rest of the day. BobP: You have good ideas. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by rick on Jul 31st, 2002, 1:28am on 07/30/02 at 18:35:53, eyes_afire wrote:
Bob... you rock, dude. Give him a hug, Eyes. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by steColor on Jul 31st, 2002, 8:09am I agree with Rick and Eyes, BobP, Very interesting concept, and does make great sense. STEC |
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Title: Thanks, But ... Post by Bob P on Jul 31st, 2002, 8:58am still just grabbing at straws. Flash / Pinky - any status on the shroom survey? If erowid has any problems with it, my offer to host it still stands. I just need the questions as the Beta site of the survey is not there anymore. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Aug 4th, 2002, 6:17pm I'm glad to say the shroom dosing has reduced my CH attacks down to about 2 per week, but the past 3 CH attacks have been particularly nasty and resistant to oxygen. For anyone trying to break a CH cycle with shrooms: it requires tons of willpower (I've been a good shroom pupil and have avoided imitrex for the past month). Last night at around 11pm I got one of the worst CH attacks. It was horrible. The pits of hell. It came and went until around 3:30am. At that point I gave up on trying to sleep and since by that time it was Sunday, I decided to dose with 3 grams (BTW, its very, very hard to function enough to prepare a dose while being attacked by CH beast). That was the first time I ever dosed while under full scale assault by the CH beast. The 3 gram dose tripped me harder than I was expecting probably due to lack of food and lack of sleep (and perhaps a particularly strong specimen). But once the trip started, I was absolutely thrilled that the dose had totally eliminated this persistent CH attack. During this trip I experienced some interesting auditory effects... such as voice distortion and a 'strobe-like' effect on sounds from the TV. Damn, I really hope this cycle ends soon... I don't ever ever ever want to experience CH like that again. I was extremely desperate with banging head and at one point became concerned that I was going to injure my eye from pressing ice cubes onto it. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by Not4Hire on Aug 4th, 2002, 6:40pm Damn son ......I gotta say y'all got some brass *pelotas* there.... this is confronting the MOFO on HIS territory..... I respect that to the nth degree...... and I'm right behind ya..... in truth.... I hope it works....you may be breakin' trail here... keep us updated and I SINfuckinCERELY hope you bust his/her ass down to little pissant pieces...... just be careful: what seems *reasonable* under the influence can be hard to deal with the *next day*......... as ever I gotcher back.....stay in touch bro.... Steve |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by Flash on Aug 5th, 2002, 6:23am BobP - The survey is still up and functioning on the EROWID website as far as I am aware... just that nobody has bothered to use it for some time. The theory that hallucinogens calm the system long enough for things to settle down (a bit like an anti-inflamitory - I mean that metaphorically), is another squint on Pinky's long standing tube radio theory. I agree that the 5-7 days relief is probably more than coincidental. Some of us are obviously lucky enough to get our systems settled first time around. Months ago I posted something, and now I am even more convinced of it's value: Many of the people that have tried hallucinogenic treatment are those among the worst affected by CH or the most desperate. Thus we are seeing a lot of chronics and people with lengthy episodes posting on this topic. These people are likely to be harder to treat, requiring several attempts. Just look at their verapamil doses! In my opinion an episodic taking a level 1-2 dose of psilocybin midway between episodes is likely to skip the next episode quite comfortably. This is certainly the case for me. From that it would appear that our body chemistry is slowly and constantly drifting out of synch until a certain threshold is crossed resulting in a CH episode. The CH itself and subsequent hiding doled out to the body probably shocks the body back to normality after a certain amount of abuse - unless the person enters the vicious cycle of being chronic (this may even occur during the very first episode). Taking a hallucinogen between episodes appears to reset the clock. Taking the hallucinogen during the episode does the same thing but it's much harder. Another metaphor is hicups - in my experience those are also much easier to prevent than to abort LMAO! Once they get started it takes a lot of effort to stop that diaphram from bouncing. Many of us have discovered that treating the body with respect during an episode helps a lot. Trying to get enough sleep, but being careful not to sleep too much. Trying to stick to a regular sleeping pattern. Not drinking. Eating small meals at regular intervals. Avoiding eating anything that may aggrivate the system in any way whatsoever (I don't believe in triggers as such, but I do know that it's best to keep the diet well balanced and bland during an episode). Not watching TV too long. Avoiding smoky places. Avoiding flashing lights/bright lights. Avoiding getting dehydrated. Avoiding stress. All these things done togther help make an episode more bearable. Likewise dosing at regular 5 day intervals, and dosing in moderation IE quantities necessary to reach level 2 probably helps set the system on an even course. The hallucinogen probably does provide 3-5 days a placidity. When someone gets acid indigestion they take an antacid. If they follow up by eating and drinking to excess the indigestion comes back. If they eat and drink in moderation, and chew on another antacid anytime the symptoms return then gradually the stomach calms down and sorts itself out. The way hallucinogens act on the head feels similar. Hope this helps. Don't take my analogies to hicups, indigestion etc too literally. I do fully understand that they haved no relationship whatsoever with CH. Anyone episodic and reading this between episodes then my advice is grow some shrooms and take a level 2 dose well in advance of your next anticipated episode. Repeat at the same point in each cycle. I'd be very surprised if you got any significant CH symptoms. If the gap between your episodes is long then take the dose 3-6 months prior to the next anticipated episode. Remember to feedback. Don't be too surprised if you get the odd twinge or shadow - that's perfectly normal. Flash |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by unclfuzzy on Aug 5th, 2002, 6:43am I have to say that I'm inclined to agree from my very limited experience (I'm hoping against hope it's true anyway). As I posted elsewhere, I've been having episodes every two years for the last 22 years. I'm in one now, but two and a half years ago I had a weak mushroom tea while visiting Amsterdam and I completely skipped that years episode. Until I discovered this site last month I had completely forgotten about the mushrooms, and probably would never have considered trying them again since they didn't do anything for me at the time but taste awful. I'm committed to growing my own pharmaceuticals now, and I really believe this may be the last episode of CH I'll ever have to suffer through. If only the damn things would grow fast enough to help with this round! Thank you all so very much for giving me this last best hope and what I believe may be a "cure." Matt I hate feeling competitive, but how do you deal with a loved one who has sympathy for you based on his own experience with migraines? Here's hoping the shrooms cure us both! |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by rick on Aug 6th, 2002, 1:12am on 08/05/02 at 06:23:57, Flash wrote:
I believe that living a healthy lifestyle might lend a hand to the effectiveness of this therapy. If our systems fall out of rythym every so often in the form of a cluster cycle, then it only makes sense to do what we can to keep the system in rythym as best we can. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by rick on Aug 6th, 2002, 1:20am on 08/05/02 at 06:43:15, unclfuzzy wrote:
I have suggested to a few friends who are migraineurs that they also give this therapy a chance. I believe the results will be quite positive. Peace to all Heads, -Rick |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by Tom on Aug 13th, 2002, 6:10am Sorry, but I only could find Australian providers in the internet...may be that you can get addresses of NZ providers by e-mail from: webmaster@entheogen.com I myself found the following Australian providers: http://www.ethnobotany-australia.net http://www.shaman-australis.com/ ±free psilocybe prints: address: AFSR PO Box 2227 Kardinya 6163 Western Australia e-mail address : seedfreak@seedfreak.zzn.com ATB ! Thomas |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by Cry-or-die on Aug 14th, 2002, 2:09pm Well, I sent an email to seedfreak. Thanks for the link tom. I suppose I should try and find a local elf for the time being although freshness may be questionable??? any thoughts on that? I have used them recreationally in my younger days but only a few times...so long ago I dont even remember when it was....hehehe...I do also have a current affinity for MJ...so sweet and yummy, but has no effect on ch :-/ This looks like the route for me tho...organic, no side effects, and it works...yyyyyaaaaayyyyy...kudo's to whoever it is that figgered that one out! No wonder it is a scheduled drug...it gets in the way of pharmaceutical profit margins and can be grown nearly for free...as opposed to the $300/week I am currently spending on pharmaceuticals to treat my CH's....shit, I am sooooo broke, can't even afford to eat properly...THAT is a crime!!!! No wonder they are taking thier time on the R&D...they're making a killing on selling padded gloves for our beast instead of looking for the cure...albeit that there are some dedicated researchers that are looking for answers, but I think that all of those guys end up dead when they figger it out...it's all a money game. Just like making the removal of mercury containing fillings that cause poisonous bioaccumulations in us UNETHICAL...it's unethical to leave them in!!!! But that is another thread...lol (I did a big rant in the circadian rhythm thang strang I posted about that) sigh, Thanks for listening...gotta go...beast is knockin'. Cry |
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Title: » Post by Tom on Aug 14th, 2002, 4:01pm Hi Cry, I would try to e-mail the » webmaster@entheogen.com «, they are collecting web addresses of spore providers in AUS (and may be also in NZ), as far as I know. Wish you ATB! Thomas |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by Cry-or-die on Aug 14th, 2002, 7:24pm Thanks for the well wishing Tom, I live in a place where mushrooms grow aplenty in the rainy season and since I won't be having clusters, I'll be there at 4am on my belly like a reptile and scopin the ground for them so I can get some good spore prints for my fellow sufferers. trubble for me is...it's not for another 2 or 3 months...so until then I'll keep trying FSP sites. Thanks again Tom! Cry |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by Shelley on Aug 14th, 2002, 7:48pm Good grief Cry. Collect them. If dried properly they'll keep for up to a year. And/or have a dose of fresh. You might find that you skip the next cycle. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by Cry-or-die on Aug 16th, 2002, 10:44am hehehe shelly, I would stock up on them but the dried variety is illegal...further, I couldn't send them to anyone in the US (or many other countries) because it is a schedule 1 controlled substance (actually the controlled part is the psylocin/psylocyben which is the part we need for the treatment) and I wouldn't want to go against the US Feds...or any other fed for that matter. Spore prints are NOT illegal tho because they have no controlled substances in them. I have ordered some spore prints and will culture my own and will send a free spore print to any CH'er that wants one when mine are ready ;D In regard to potency, I read that the time of harvest is very important, they are most potent when they are small and the veil is closed or just opening. Bigger is not better in this case. Apparently the psylocin/psylocyben is very close in molecular structure to serotonin, close enough to fool the receptors to think that is what it is. I have noticed many people take them at 5 day intervals, is that how long it takes for the body to use all of the chemical? Pinky? Do you know? I also read that overdoing it may have the opposite effect...has this happened to anyone? I'm curious. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by tommyD on Aug 16th, 2002, 12:30pm Cry-or-die -- Here's what the five-day thing is about: psilocybin (and LSD) is "self-limiting" (for lack of a better term), meaning that once you take it and it takes effect, it will have no further effect (or at least much less effect) if you take more. You must wait four or five days for this self-limiting characteristic to wear off. This is why it is next to impossible to become addicted to such indole-ring hallucinogens. While some have had success with a single dose, shroom therapy seems to wotrk best if two or more doses are used. For episodics, two doses may keep one pain free for many months, even years, as a treatment can prevent entire cycles. For chronics, things are a little more difficult. Some have found they get relief for a few days or a week, then must repeat a dose, and this once-a-week dosng may have to be repeated several times, or indefinately, before long-term relief sets in. There seems to be some evidence that over-doing it could be counter productive; on the other hand, many chronics, and episodics trying to stop a cycle in progress, have found a larger dose more effective -- go back and read the very beginning of this thread. -tommyD |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Aug 16th, 2002, 8:22pm Personal update: After the dose early on 8/4/02, I had one of the 'most painfree' weeks in a long time. I experienced major shadows on Wednesday (8/7/02) and a CH on Saturday evening (8/10/02)... those were the only 2 CH events for that entire week. Unfortunately this current week hasn't been quite that good. I dosed again early Sunday morning (8/11/02). I had minor CH attacks on Tuesday (8/13/02) and Thursday (8/15/02) and significant shadows today (8/16/02), plus numerous shadows throughout the week. Regardless, shroom doses have made things much more manageable (only 3 CH attacks per week is incredible considering that I'm not taking any government drugs). Basically I'm locked in a draw with the beast: I dose early Sunday morning (around 3:30 am, about 3 grams), get strong shadows on Sunday, get about 2 not-so-strong CH attacks during the week (plus shadows throughout the week), then get clobbered with a strong CH attack Saturday evening, then I dose again early Sunday morning, etc. Time marches on. Dose #7 will be early Sunday morning. Unfortunately, I will become chronic around Sept 5. My current cycle started mid-september 2001. |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by gills on Aug 16th, 2002, 11:21pm WOW This method scares the crap out of me. Hope you havent got a gun in the house. I was thinking about trying it, but I am too scared of what I might do now. What if the beast gets through? I wouldnt trust myself. Gills |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by tommyD on Aug 17th, 2002, 6:55am Gills -- There's really nothing to be afraid of, BUT--- This is a serious psychedelic drug...if you fear it, do not take it, as the fear could control your experience, and it won't be pretty. Shrooms are contraindicated (love those big medical terms) for those with some kinds of mental illness or emotional instability. What Kinds of mental illness? Who the hell knows? (that was a serious question, anybody seen any research on this?) Once, at trip level 2, the beast visited briefly (20 min. or so) at KIP 5. I too was concerned about what an attack would feel like while tripping. It wasn't a heavy trip or a heavy attack, but it really didn't bother me any more than a KIP 5 while sober. There are a wide range of experiences with the shroom therapy. In the middle of a very long cycle, I used two very small doses, one week apart, and got relief for two months. These were small doses, too, only enough for a trip level one. Many others have found you don't need to "trip your brains out" (as we used to say in the early 70's) for this to work for you. Then again, last treatment I used a more potent species and inadvertantly reached a level 2.5 to 3. Unexpected, but not unpleasent, and it has kept the beast at bay for 8 months now. What's that prove? Nothing. Could have been that my cycle endeed naturally sometime after that last treatment. Shrooms seem to work best when doing at the first sign of the onset of a cycle, or if your are an episodic with predictable cycles, at the mid-point between cycles. Many only need to take enough for a "two-beer buzz." We need controlled research. It could be that a larger dose may help some, but only up to a point. EA -- Seems like you took 5 or 6 grams for that first big trip, and last dose you used three. What trip level did you reach on three grams? I've rambled enough... -tommyD |
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Title: Re: Shrooms: The EA Experience Post by eyes_afire on Aug 17th, 2002, 12:13pm Hi TommyD. I estimate the 3g doses have been yielding trip level 3. The stash from my initial harvest is as potent as ever after 5 weeks of storage. I submit as evidence: Obvious visual distortions/hallucinations - watching TV I see faces growing out of faces, american football players melting upon contact with each other, fat distorted blobby people on TV, auditory hallucinations (peoples voices becoming fast or slow), strobe-like auditory effects, and time-passing extremely slowly. Plus of course intensely bright colors, patters, and visual blurring and warping. Dosing has become rather relaxing for me plus I know the CH beast can't touch me while tripping. A recent dose actually stopped one of my worst CH attacks, cold in it's tracks. The CH beast has tried to breakthru while under the influence but could never quite manage. All of those above effects sound rather intimidating, but they are not (at least to me anyways... I have had much more fearsome nightmares). Tripping at level 3 is not even close in intensity to tripping at level 4 or 5. The Trip Scale is exponential, not linear. But TommyD is right: If you fear, then don't partake. I HATE HATE HATE CH beast, so even if I didn't enjoy the trips, a 5 hour trip once a week would still be worth it. Coping with trips: 1. Plan ahead. Get comfortable. Pillows are good. Take a pee first. Arrange to have ambient music or video images... nothing with a 'heavy', deep, or intense storyline. Set aside time where you will have no responsibilities. 2. Check your mind. Realize and convince yourself that what you are about to do will cause perceptual distortions. 3. Have confidence. While tripping, trust in the preparations you have made. Sometimes I have thought: 'do I have to go to work soon?', but then I tell myself that I have planned well and that shouldn't be a concern. 4. Remain passive. During trip, don't make any important decisions, don't perform any weighty actions. Don't leave your home, just stay there. If you start getting agitated, dismiss negative thoughts and surrender to the trip. Enjoy, it will soon end anyway and everything will be normal. 5. If you fear, then don't partake. Shrooms amplify emotions and perceptions during trip: EA (during trip): "Sis, is it going to rain?" Sis: "I don't know, let me look out the window." (Sis looks out the window) Sis: "Nope, doesn't look like it." (5 minutes pass and it starts raining) (EA smiles) My perceptions were enhanced, I could detect the slight decrease in ambient light due to impending rainstorm where others could not. Also my sense of smell is greatly heightened. |
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