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(Message started by: bentley on Mar 15^th, 2002, 4:38pm)

Title: Detox
Post by bentley on Mar 15^th, 2002, 4:38pm

How long should one be free from other meds, particularly ergot, before trying shrooms.

Title: Re: Detox
Post by pinksharkmark on Mar 15^th, 2002, 5:47pm

No one knows for sure in the case of all drugs, and even in the case of ergot compounds there is probably some variability.

But it is easier to estimate with the ergot compounds. A minimum of 72 hours to 96 hours, with 120 hours probably being better.

It is possible that there may be partial success if the psilocybin were ingested as early as 48 hours after the last ergot dose, but the effectiveness would certainly be significantly reduced.

I know of one clusterhead that followed that approach. He tried to do without his cafergot for 96 hours, but at 48 hours he felt he simply could not make it through another two days, so he did a dose of psilocybin. The first dose reduced the intensity and frequency of the attacks to the point that he was able to stay off the cafergot for 96 hours (although with great difficulty and considerable swearing), then did a second dose of psilocybin with better results, and a third dose 120 hours later, at which point he felt he needed no further doses.

I doubt this approach would work for everyone. A sample size of a single person is of no validity whatsoever statistically speaking. Everyone's sensitivity to these compounds is different.

pinky

Title: Re: Detox
Post by Elissa on Mar 16^th, 2002, 1:32pm

Hello, I am new to the "treatment/med" section of this site. I think I have tried almost every seizure, depression, anxiety, etc., med out there. The Shroom treatment....is that what I think it is? Do the doctors really prescribe that and what success rate have you guys heard of? I'm seeing a new neurologist in a few weeks (my 3, 4...losing count) and I may bring it up to him. Even if it's something to keep from making the perverbial E.R. trip, which is averaging once a month! Would defeinitely like to know more about this...Thanks. Elissa

Title: Re: Detox
Post by Elissa on Mar 16^th, 2002, 1:33pm

Title: Re: Detox
Post by bentley on Mar 16^th, 2002, 3:31pm

Pincky,
Is the delay required due to the similarity of the two substances.

Title: Re: Detox
Post by bentley on Mar 16^th, 2002, 3:32pm

Pincky,
Is the delay required due to the similarity of the two substances.

Title: Re: Detox
Post by pinksharkmark on Mar 16^th, 2002, 6:00pm

on 03/16/02 at 15:31:14, bentley wrote:

Pincky,
Is the delay required due to the similarity of the two substances.

Yes. They both bind to the same 5-HT receptor sites. The indole-based psychedelics are believed by most researchers to be active at more subgroups of 5-HT receptor sites than the non-hallucinogenic ergot compounds, but that has yet to be proven conclusively.

Even some of the "non-psychedelic" ergot compounds are definitely psychoactive. Methysergide (Sansert) and methergine, for example, are both psychoactive if taken at high enough doses. I have personal experience with that, at least in the case of methysergide.

pinky

Title: Re: Detox
Post by pinksharkmark on Mar 16^th, 2002, 6:24pm

on 03/16/02 at 13:33:30, Elissa wrote:

Yes, it is what you think it is, and no, it is not available by prescription. In most countries of the world it is illegal to possess mushrooms containing psilocybin. Holland is an exception.

I suggest you read my posts here:

http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=meds;action=display;num=1013709016

In "Part 5" I provide a link to the 'Clusterhead Shroom Site' where you can find out more. The site hasn't been updated in some time, and some of the links no longer work, but there is still a tremendous amount of useful information there. Once you have browsed the main part of the site, you will probably want to check out Ueli's collection of posts there from this message board. Click on the links for "2001 Posts" and "2000 Posts" for reports from those who have tried it, and some interesting commentary on those reports.

pinky