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(Message started by: rodolfo hecht lucari on Mar 12th, 2002, 10:19am)

Title: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by rodolfo hecht lucari on Mar 12th, 2002, 10:19am
Dear friends and collegue sufferers. I think I have really great news.
One year ago I learned that an Italian MD, Federigo Sicuteri (the most well known specialist in headaches in Forence, Italy) was using a medicin against the Alzheimer desease as a trial/test to cure migraine and, possibly, CH.
Lured by the perspective of no or little side effects, although discouraged by nearly 30 years of desperate  and fruitless fight, I decided to give it a try.
The medicin is Aricept (donepezil hydrochloride) and is a reversible inhibitor of the enzyme acetylcholinesterase, normally used in the Alzheimer desease cure.
Last year I started the cure 15 days before the presumed beginning of the cluster (Aricept 5 mg once a day). The cluster appeared - although not in its full glory and might - after 20 days or so. The attacks were 50% less frequent and sort of decapitated but still pretty much there. After consulting the MD I went to Aricept 10mg once a day. The attacks were 70% less frequent and the decapitation affect always more astounding. I am sure You will understand and appreciate what I am telling   you guys, but this is the miracle: the Cluster is there, but it is somehow tamed, each attack is milder and milder.
Last year's CH was over in 40 days (as opposed to 90-120) with maybe some 15-20 "big ones" (as opposed to 100 - 200 shocking attacks with plenty of use of Imitrex).
THIS YEAR NOW.
This year (CH expected in January) I meant to start the Aricept cure in late November, so to anticipate the crisis let's say by 45 days. But I had to undergo minor surgery in December, so I delayed the start of the cure until Jan 5 2002, and the CH had just started.
I went rapidly from 5 mg. to 10 mg. (in just 10 days, whilst the previous year I stayed with 5 mg. for over 45 days) and here are the results.
Difficult to explain, but I want you to let it dawn on you: this stuff works. In a week or so the attacks were already somewhat bearable, the peaks decapitated in a spectacular fashion: CH nearly a "bearable" desease. The whole cluster disappeared in 40 days, with maybe 3-4 big ones, 2 shots of Imitrex. Unbelievable.

You should do 3 months of Aricept, then stop 1 month, and so on.
What I did is just use it during the months when I expect CH.
I also have a summer CH (a lighter model), that I decided not to treat. The CH came and was mild as expected.

But the most remarkable thing about this cure is that you feel it working: you litterally feel the monster coming, as usual, everything is familiar, the symptoms, the pace, the other feelings, you are there just as usual, waiting to be struck by the demon and........behold! You are wrong, suddenly for the first time in so many decades you are wrong!!!!! it is not a monster, not a demon, just pain, lovely, bearable, near-normal pain. Something we can live repeat live with.

Take this real serious. The email address of the Italian Doctor is

Professor Federigo Sicuteri
sicuteri@iol.it

take good care


rodolfo hecht

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by Karla on Mar 12th, 2002, 2:35pm
Thanks for sharing this wonderful report of good news!  I am so glad to hear that you are not in alot of pain and are able to tame the beast.  I am curious if this is a medicine that can be used daily for chronics?  

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by rodolfo hecht lucari on Mar 13th, 2002, 3:34am

on 03/12/02 at 14:35:42, Karla wrote:
Thanks for sharing this wonderful report of good news!  I am so glad to hear that you are not in alot of pain and are able to tame the beast.  I am curious if this is a medicine that can be used daily for chronics?  


In its original purpose Aricept is used once a day every day - obviously by quite old people. Therefore, as the medicin carries no spectacular side effects, the suggested daily use should give no other particular consequence.
If I were you Karla, I would ask your md to prescibe Aricept (probably 5-7.5mg. according to your weight). If it doesn't work after let's say 2 months no big deal. If it does, well... it can change your life.

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by BobG on Mar 13th, 2002, 4:18am
I've never used Donepezil, brand name Aricept, so I can't speak good or bad about it.

It is listed on webmd (with warnings)
http://my.webmd.com/drug_article/article/4046.1434?bn=Aricept

Dr. Federigo Sicuteri is on the International Editorial Board of Dr. Seymour Diamond's Headache Quartely.
http://www.diamondheadache.com/hq/board.html

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by dannyboy on Mar 14th, 2002, 4:18am
I have a dream that one day a post like this will trigger a chain of events that will look something like this ...

1) The president of OUCH will commission the team of OUCH doctors to investigate the possible problems associated with this drug to OUCH's own satisfaction

2) Once satisfied, the president would request participation in the study from OUCH and CH.com members.

3) Members of OUCH would take prefference in the research study over non-members as support for the project flowed in. Chronic sufferers would also take preference over episodics, as those for whom 'nothing works' would take preference over those that do find relief in other avenues.

4)The OUCH research team would form a null hypothesis and design the research.

4) The group of sufferers chosen for the sample group would commence taking the drug in a double blind placeabo (sp?) controlled study.

5) The OUCH research team would write up the results and submit them to HEADACHE and CEPHALELGIA (sp).

6) Finally the president of OUCH would become the first non medical doctor to win a nobel prize in medicine, and would also be awarded the Victorian Cross, a medal for bravery from the French Foreign Legion as well as a Purple Heart, an honourary Green Beret and a complimentary curteousy car from Ferrari for the rest of his/her life.

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by BobG on Mar 14th, 2002, 7:34pm
Yeah, sure dannyboy. Like that will ever happen! The OUCH president would never be seen in a damnned foreign car. Go Honda!

Title: It's surely....
Post by Riccardo on Mar 15th, 2002, 3:37am
...a good try for us.
I know (he's also on the OUCH-Italy board) and respect Rodolfo, and Doc Sicuteri is one of the best CH researchers in Italy.

About the side effects (BobG) I think that are not so serious, because of the normal use of this med: any bad effect become huge with Alzheimer's patients, due to the age and the bad affliction they also have.

Nothing in USA about this acetylcoline inhibitor, related to CH?

Ciao friends

Title: This time I wholeheartedly agree with Daniel
Post by Riccardo on Mar 15th, 2002, 8:47am
Daniel has suggested a reasonable, efficient and useful thing.
And I don't mean that's mandatory for this med, but IS a good thing.

Any comment here?

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by nancyc on Mar 15th, 2002, 9:21am
I agree with Daniel's suggestion...it sounds like a great project....the folks in the study would need to see Doctors that would work with our OUCH Doctors....the reason being, that the OUCH doctors could not prescribe medications to someone who is not a patient of theirs . ..but if we have our own Doctors in contact with OUCH doctors , then we could do this...I think it would be a big step in involving OUCH in research....and working together to help all clusterheads. Riccardo, do we have Doctors associated with OUCH that you think would be interested in something like this?

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by Margi on Mar 15th, 2002, 12:19pm
Um, WHAT OUCH doctors are we talking about here?  Other than Doc Greg and Doug Wright being members of OUCH, this is the first I've heard of OUCH doctors.

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by Riccardo on Mar 15th, 2002, 1:24pm
Also in case we could have dozens of "OUCH Doctors" this is not the way to perform all this.
Each patient have to organize this with HIS doctor , under the survey of an OUCH committee.
After each test, patients and their own doctors will report to the committee the results.
This is my opinion
Ciao

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by Margi on Mar 15th, 2002, 1:29pm
Oh, ok, Riccky - thanks for explaining that.  From Daniel's and Nancy's posts, I was under the impression that they thought we already had a team of OUCH doctors in place.  I misunderstood.

I asked our neuro the other day if he'd heard of any studies being done here in Canada with Aricept, as they are in Italy.  He dismissed me with a wave of his hand, saying 'that's an Alzheimers drug.'  No room for discussion.

*sigh* we've got a long road to travel, huh?


Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by rodolfo hecht lucari on Mar 17th, 2002, 3:42am
I would like to add some other remark, having listened to the reactions generated. First of all, as explained, this is a trial approach: of course therefore it is not an existing protocol, and no existing neuro would suggest it. But maybe if doctors interview Sicuteri (who is a very well known scientist in this field, has studued it all his life, as opposed to most of your private neuros) they could deal with the rationale that is behind his intuition and decide for themselves wether it makes sense.
Further, and specially in this field, great advances tend to ba made with a trial & error approach following an intuition.
I remember it has to do with the principle that also makes triptans effective for ch. By the way, if migraine and ch are not related - as many seem to firmly believe in this site - then why is Imitrex the only remedy against tragedy, when Imitrex is designed, dosed, marketed for migraine.
The above introduces another fascinating issue, somehow below the radar, even among this community: the pitiful ethical standards of the pharmaceutical industry. I mean, we ch are probably the people that suffer most, it is said. But Glaxo does not believe it is worth creating an injectable Imitrex that is dosed for us (2-3 mg opposed to 6, could change our attacks, we could cure 4-6 a day as opposed to 2), because we are too few, no serious money involved.
Makes me want to puke. Shame on Glaxo.

On a more constructive note, here is what I would do. I would try and get from Sicuteri a rationale and publish it on this site, somone in charge here could react. Then we could set up a virtual trial, with the assistance of our personal doctors and obviously share the results with the community.
This might be more difficult in certain countries: for an example I think Italy is not a difficult place to convince your doctor to help (Riccardo maybe you can see how it works for you). In most other cases it's up to you. If you really want to try nobody will stop you.

Finally a consideration on existing protocols: they have not changed much in the past 20-30 years. Now the monster has a name, ch. Nothing really does anything good except Imitrex. With existing protocols I have suffered in my life probably over 5000 big ones.
Intelligent experimentation does not seem a big risk to me.

Have hope and fight!

Rodolfo

PS

I will provide hints and guidelines for the cure if you are interested. and have the guts.

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by Riccardo on Mar 17th, 2002, 3:47am
Wholeheartedly agree with Rodolfo (and not for ...nationalism"  ;D)

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by nancyc on Mar 17th, 2002, 9:47am

I dont know how to put your remark in a box like everyone else does...but i did want to respond to it, Rodolfo.....

You said....
"By the way, if migraine and ch are not related - as many seem to firmly believe in this site - then why is Imitrex the only remedy against tragedy, when Imitrex is designed, dosed, marketed for migraine."

I may be wrong but this is the way I understand it...correct me, guys, if I am wrong....According to Dr. Goadsby, when he did the MRI on a patient in the midst of a ch, he found that first of all, ch pain starts before dilation of the blood vessels..Cause of this is unknown.....after this pain, the blood vessels dilate like they do in a migraine...So, our initial pain starts before the dilation of the vessels...Also, migraines are not associated with  a dysfunctional hypothalamus...I don't like to say they are related to migraines either but that is because then folks do not get a clear picture of what we are dealing with here...I am getting confused here...somebody help me out LOL... :)

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by Riccardo on Mar 17th, 2002, 10:46am
I think that Rodolfo means there are common traits between migraines and CH, e.g. the meds that avoid the quick compression/dilation of brain vessels.

And like Imitrex, may also be Aricept that can work for both.

To be honest, when I saw the Rodolfo sentence I said myself: "here we start a riot...."  (Don't speak about you Nancy! :-*)

But Rodolfo (despite the fact I don't know him personally) has a 30 years of CH as background, and is new to this board. He don't know the "sensibility" to the word migraine here, and he just posted an idea.
WHAT WORKS FOR MIGRAINES CAN WORK FOR CH

And I agree with him. At least until we don't know exactly what causes CH, we have to be submitted to the things that work for migraine. Is an "effects" and not a "cause" cure, but, -until it function- we can go for it.

On the other hands, we are currently using meds for seizures, psycho- diseases, high blood pressure and so on.

And we know the serotonin involvement in our disease. Then, any med that can change the serotonin level -being a med for migraines, seizures, diarrhea or emorroids ... ;D- that work for us.... is a good med!

Ciao to all you. I start to like this thread! ::)



Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by nancyc on Mar 17th, 2002, 11:06am
You are rite, my serial kisser, this is a damn good thread...I am really glad Rodolfo  told us about the Aricept.  I plan to talk to this new neuro at the Medical College of Charleston, SC about it when I go on the 26th.  Several good points have been brought up...one, that you mentioned Riccardo, is the fact of seizure meds working for some clusterheads...I have always wondered if that is why Charlie has been in remission for so long..because of all the seizure meds he has been on.....Also, one other question...dont' know where I heard this but I heard clusters were no longer classified under migraines ...Has anyone else heard this..that it is now a totally seperate neurological conditon...Have I been lied to? LOL... ;)

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by Riccardo on Mar 17th, 2002, 11:15am
It seems to me that EHF (and Goadsby too) have stated what you say in a document.
I'm at home, and no way to search for this document, but I think BobP, Ueli and many others will address you better than me

Kisses, Southern girl :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
(BTW, our common friend stays better!)

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by Bob_P on Mar 17th, 2002, 12:57pm
Here is a link to IHS classification of headaches.  Mirgaine and cluster are two different, separate classifications:
http://www.clusterheadaches.org/ihs/classif.pdf

Migraine is class 1, cluster is class 3 - not a subtype of migraine.

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by rodolfo hecht lucari on Mar 18th, 2002, 3:27am
Just in order to clarify a little.
I am no doctor, nor do I want to teach anything to anyone. I respect all that I ignore, and I therefore have a lot to respect....
I didn't intend to start a debate on the nature of the beast: the fact is, however you classify it they are not able to cure it nor to indicate the cause of it. They deal with ipotheses, many times using a bottom-up approach.
To be so proud about the existing paradigm, with the corollary of its definitions and classifications makes me wonder: what is it about the paradigm and the protocols you are so fond of?
If the focus is so sharp and new intuitions are to be put aside, then why have they not cured you so far?
How many attacks has the protocol subsided?
Protocols in ch don' lead to healing in ch. not yet.
So definitions might just not be the problem. It is always about healing and the misteries involved. Always something new to learn, and to experience.

Two remarks, finally.

No one yet, except Riccardo, seems to wish to try, and this puzzles me.
Second, no one angry with Glaxo. Surrender?

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by ave on Mar 18th, 2002, 4:05am
Rodolfo,

1. in the past many people have raged against Glaxo for not issuing injections scaled to our needs. Check the archives if you are still wondering.
Check the Imitrex tip uinder the button left of the page for a really useful tip if you didn't know it already.

2. Imitrex is sadly NOT the only med that helps clusterheads. There is a number of sufferers for whom Imitrex just does NOT work.

3. To fight something, one must know exactly what  one is fighting. If a doctor departs from the supposition that clusters are like migraines, he is barking up the wrong tree and could waste lots of precious time finding out nothing. And although that does not hurt the doctor it hurts us.

4. You say like so many of us, you'll try anything to get rid of the beast. . .
Clusterheads on the whole are incredibly brave. But  giving up meds that work for meds that we don't know about yet... that  is difficult.

So don't berate other sufferers for not jumping to the chance you offer all at once.

Some will try. And if it works, more of us will try. Just don't expect miracles of conversion in a week.

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by dannyboy on Mar 18th, 2002, 8:42am
Has anyone seen Pinky and Flash's virtual questionnairre for the shroom research? Its exactly what we need.

The question is, who do we know that has the capacity to put a scientifically rigourous questionnairre together for us? Rodlofo, can your doctor do it?

I feel that if we could get the questionnairre put together, and put it up on the board it will encourage people to get involved.

And even if the research methodology suggested by Riccardo is not scientifically rigourous enough for publication, its good enough to know whether it'll help poeple or not - like the shrooms.

And yes Rodolfo, you'd think OUCH would say more than ... "the IHS clasification clasifies a migraine as a numbu wun and a cluster as a numbu fwee" ... c'mon boob, this your cue, be leader for Gog's sake! Rally the troops, sound the war cry, gather the resources, put your old quibbles aside and lead the charge, because one day, it'll be one of those charges that solves the bloody thing ... who's the guy that has "I will find a cure" under his messages? Yeah him ... him for president half - erect.

Rodolfo, can your doctor do it?

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by pinksharkmark on Mar 18th, 2002, 8:54am

on 03/18/02 at 08:42:42, dannyboy wrote:
Has anyone seen Pinky and Flash's virtual questionnairre for the shroom research? Its exactly what we need.

I deserve no credit for the questionaire. Flash put together the list of questions, "earth" from erowid did the actual programming.

pinky

Title: Keep your diaper on Danny
Post by Bob_P on Mar 18th, 2002, 10:12am
OUCH-Italia is already in touch with the good doctor to find out what thoughts are on the treatment.  We'll share that with the membership to take to their doctors if they want to try the treatment.  We'll keep in touch and collect data from anyone undergoing the treatment.

BTW - The shroom questionaire was done by Flash with input from Todd V and Bob P (the Pres and Vice Pres of OUCH).  Flash did do the footwork.  He just asked us for our input which we gave him.

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by Flash on Mar 19th, 2002, 8:55am
The survey had input from several sources including BobP, Todd, pinky, and others - I honestly can't remember without going back an accessing all my old email.

EROWID also provided substantial input and turned the whole thing into reality.

The medication you describe here sounds similar to Methysergide, Predisone, and Verapamill, or at least the effects that those are supposed to achieve.  

I personally would rather not take any medication for that length of time (3 months).  Also I doubt this is a cure, unless it's going to affect the physical structure of the hypothalmus.  It sounds like just another prophylactic treatment.

I should add that with the exception of hallucinogens and O2, I have refused Methysergide, Ergotamine, and Triptans.  I used beta blockers twice but to be honest for all their impact the side effects weren't worth it.

CH is not dangerous - it's the treatments that kill.


Flash  

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by Stewart on Mar 19th, 2002, 10:51am
What I would like to see is some extensive studies done on Ch'ers find what triggers the inflamation, I mean we can isolate genes now, certainly we can find what causes these monsters to claw our eye and temporal lobe..It can't be that complicated ( i know, i know money money money to study, study study). In my own case, it seems almost semi logical, spring and fall attacks (change in seasons, allergen, atmospheric pressure, light in retina changes????) It's got to be one over looked "thing" that is causing this...WHAT? geez how many times have I said that at night!

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by rodolfo hecht lucari on Mar 19th, 2002, 11:03am
Just a couple of remarks on Flash's post.

On the contrary I suspect it is a cure, although maybe my english does not allow me to appreciate a "cure" as opposed to a "prophylactic treatment": in italian they share a similar meaning.
I disagree with your impression Flash: anyway this is the contrary of my existing working hipothesys, as I can say I have experienced a profound, curing impact of Aricept.

As per your further observations on the requisite of a cure vs. "the affection of the phisycal structure of the hypothalamus" I believe you are taking a rather wide shot .
Even if you were a scientist, I would have more doubts and less certainties:unless your certanties lead you somewere where pain subsides.............
The same applies to your statement on the fact that ch doesn't kill: are you sure?  I think it must hurt us pretty much, deeply inside, and so many doctors now seem to believe.
How can you possibly believe you can measure the "holistic" impact of ch on the web of organs that constitutes our body?

It looks rather like a trade-off. Like Flash I believe most remedies against ch are really net negative. With the exception of injectable Imitrex, but obviously with a lot of caution on the side effects of triptans (I also tend never to go for the second shot if not desperate).
Unlike Flash I have less difficulty in appreciating the immensity of my ignorance, and therefore I am positive there are so many things I truly ignore.

Finally, 3 months would be a best case scenario: if it doesn't work you can stop after 2. If it does work, you won't stop, this I can assure you, not for the side effects anyway!

A hug to everyone, Flash included


Title: Now, there's a quote I'm gonna use often!
Post by Bob_P on Mar 19th, 2002, 11:10am

Quote:
I have less difficulty in appreciating the immensity of my ignorance, and therefore I am positive there are so many things I truly ignore


Sounds like something Jack or hub would say.  However, it applies to me so I am going to file it away in my folder of Life's Truths.

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by dannyboy on Mar 20th, 2002, 2:44am
No ways boob, we agree on something!! .... Yeah,  I'll take that page outta Rodolfo's book too.

In fact I'll take another Rodlofo if I may

"I would have more doubts and less certainties:unless your certanties lead you somewere where pain subsides............."

pain subsides ... yeah ... thats what I've been looking for  

Can your doctor set up a questionnairre for us Rodolfo? Can you do it? I'm sure we'll find the poeple to hosts the site and keep us informed of the progress.

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by rodolfo hecht lucari on Mar 20th, 2002, 7:50am
About the doctor.
Problem is, Federigo Sicuteri is very difficult to get in touch with. He is a superstar in his field, works only out of Florence (can't blame him on that one), is probably 80 years old, and has no confidence with emails.
I kept contact with his group via email with his assistant, Maria Nicolodi, but in the last two months I had no reply. I'll try with a fax right away and see what happens.
Then I need to understand what is a "questionnaire" exactly? How does it fit our needs?
Let me understand and I'll try the best I can.

Hug you all

Rodolfo

Title: About the doctor, again
Post by rodolfo on Mar 26th, 2002, 5:04am
I made contact with Prof Sicuteri's assistant, Maria Nicolodi ( a researcher herself): sho told me that they are planning to start a trial in the US with Aricept as a cure for ch.
I understand they already received permission in the US.
So, as it may be a bit covert, it should not be impossible to trace, if someone in the US, maybe with OUCH, could start inquiring.
If there is very little security in numbers for us, in the present and in the foreseeable future (we are too few to be ever worth something to a totally non-ethycal industry) we should arrange for our privately held, web-coordinated trials.

Again, after over thirty years of clusters, I believe the seed of a cure for us is here.
Aricept can be the beginning, but only if we start testing it.
Keep hope alive.

Rodolfo

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by nancyc on Mar 26th, 2002, 5:38am
Thank you so much for your effort...as I told you via email, I am seeing a new neuro today at the Medical College...she is from Italy...I plan to talk with her about this drug....thanks so much for all the support you have been to me... :D

Title: Re: ARICEPT - GOOD NEWS!!!
Post by Riccardo on Mar 26th, 2002, 8:20am
Doc Nicolodi (a co-worker of Doc Sicuteri) has called me by phone today.

They want to build a test group with OUCH Italia about Aricept.

She was very nice, and she has promised she will ask to pharmaceutical environment for free Aricept to use during tests.

(BTW, the price of Aricept in Italy is approx US $150 for a cycle of 1 month).... surely better than Imitrex expenses, anyway...  ;D

I will update you as soon as possible.

Seems that there is hope...really!

Title: Good work Riccardo
Post by Bob_P on Mar 26th, 2002, 8:36am
Way to go!

OUCH Italia rules!

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Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by dannyboy on Mar 26th, 2002, 8:58am
I LOVE THIS JOB!

Well done Riccardo and Rodolfo and OUCH ITALIA!!! I have such an excited feeling when I read things like this. I will follow closely all the progress that you make.

God Bless!!

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by nancyc on Mar 26th, 2002, 8:46pm
My new neuro i saw today is willing to try me on the aricept if the depakote does not work for me...she will get all the info on what they are doing in Italy if I want to try it...I am going to a Medical University and she says she will be able to try me on this or any other drug that is being studied like the one in England...WOW, i could not believe it...thanks so much Rodolfo...

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by Mattso on Apr 1st, 2002, 2:13am
Does anyone have any additional info on Aricept, or a link to some? I would love to have something to show my doctor.

Any additional reports of personal experiences with Aricept would also be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Title: ARICEPT - The cure
Post by rodolfo on Apr 2nd, 2002, 6:22am
This is the Aricept cure.
You start with 5 mg. in the evening, before sleep, and you try to reach the maximum dosage (5, 7.5 or 10 mg according to your bodyweight: I can reach 10 mg.  because I’m over 75 kilos (I guess that’s the threshold).
Probably you should increase the dosage to your determined maximum (agreed upon with a doctor) as fast as possible, doing 5 days per each step/upgrade. You start with 5 mg for 5 days, then 7.5 for 5 days, then 10 (if 10 is the target).
The suggested cure says that you do 3 months Aricept, then take a month pause. During that month you take another medicine, called Nicetile (producer Sigma-Tau, the active principle should be acetyl-L-carnitine (ALC) once a day in the morning.
After that month you start over again with Aricept, following the same path to reach your target dosage.

I didn’t do that.
I cured the main cluster and decided to “live” with the minor ones without Aricept.
I am now wondering what I’ll do this year, haven’t decided yet. Let me tell you why (a bit of bad news are due at a certain point).
Aricept is not like drinking water. I must admit ( as I know I am a very sensitive guy) that I still cannot appreciate for sure what side reactions are really there and what are only in my rather strong imagination, anyway, this is how I see it.
Aricept makes both your conscious thinking and your subliminal activity extremely vivid: so that will be quite something new, dreams will be different and you will probably want to mitigate that effect with some sleeping stuff (I use a benzodiazepine called Minias).
Aricept does definitely not improve your physical fitness: I like jogging, play tennis, and it is harder when you are going through Aricept. Nothing really spectacular, but you feel a little wasted, specially after a real physical effort.
No other real side effect. But still, not nothing. It is a substance you “perceive” at work. Not necessarily unpleasant, but it is “there”.
That is to explain why I feel a need to take a break, to recover in full my physical fitness, and so on.
But this year I don’t know: Aricept didn’t seem so heavy at all, and the results so awesome!

Finally a key remark regarding fear. Fear has sealed my life, accompanied every holyday, every date, every long term project: will I make it or will I be struck again and will have do hide somewere?
We ch live with something that goes from fear to terror: I could never measure, at the end of the year, what is worse: the pain or the terror, for if it is not “coming right now” it might be there anytime.
I think this is the greatest gift of the cure.
You are left dealing with pain (much less of course). Fear? Not much to be left afraid of, just pain: we certainly know what it is and, for God’s sake, how can WE be afraid of a little bit of pain?
So I think this is the real beauty: without fear it’s a new life.

Some useful hints: Aricept is expensive, and will cost you (down here in Italy) around 4 $ a day, on 10 mg.
10 mg. is relatively much cheaper than 5 mg. So I suggest you buy 10 mg. and dose that.
Please be advised that the active principle is triggered by light: so if you are using fractions of a pill, you should store the rest in a dark place, like a little box.

That’s all I can think of.  

rodolfo

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by nancyc on Apr 12th, 2002, 11:21am
OK, I am ready to try it...have a call into my neuro now...she will probably want to talk to Dr. Sicuteri or his assistant...she is from Italy too....any help from you, Riccardo or anyone else on info would be greatly appreciated....I can not take the side effects of the depakene and the clusters are getting worse instead of better....thanks ...

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by Riccardo on Apr 12th, 2002, 12:59pm
It seems me that Rodolfo has posted the Sicuteri E-mail in this thread.

Anyway, if you need a phone number, I can give it on Monday or Tuesday (sorry, but I have only at work...)

Ciao Nancy, and give a ciao to the Italian neuro

Title: Re: ARICEPT - There is hope! A cure at hand?
Post by nancyc on Apr 12th, 2002, 5:56pm
Yes, we need the phone number...thanks so much...I emailed him but Rodolfo said he is slow to answer emails...thanks so much... ;D will be waiting to hear from you, bro.



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