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Title: Cluster headache cure Post by Stinger on Feb 4th, 2008, 5:32pm I don't know much about this site, but found it today. If it has been mentioned already, I apologise, but it seems interesting. http://www.clusterheadachecure.com Let me know what you think. I haven't even read it all yet. |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by Guiseppi on Feb 4th, 2008, 6:26pm No apologies necassary, that's exactly what this forum is for, to discuss this kind of stuff. I have no experience with the book, but the first line, [ARE YOU MALE?? Raises a lot of red flags. It used to be thought only males got them and all you women CH'ers were just exaggerating your migrains. Needless to say we now know that is not the case. Has anyone read this book? The "CURE" part will set a lot of people off as to this point there is no such thing. It might be a compilation of good material..........I suspect you'll find the same information here though.... Guiseppi Guiseppi |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by Stinger on Feb 4th, 2008, 7:47pm I thought some of the statistical info was interesting. And the fact that many doctors do not understand the CHs. It may be good reading. Then again......... |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by AlienSpaceGuy on Feb 4th, 2008, 7:49pm What Guiseppi said. The line he quoted in full: Are you a male aged between 20 and 50 years? Helen's son started at 3 (if I remember right) and I am 71 and still going strong (at least cluster wise). Beside that, the rest of the page is much more accurate than what one otherwise reads. But the "cure" is disqualified at the bottom of the page: All material provided on this website is provided for informational or education purposes only. No content is intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Do I have to buy the book for my doctor, so, after reading it, he can "cure" me? ::) [smiley=smokin.gif] |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by Jonny on Feb 4th, 2008, 8:12pm LOL....U-Man!! [smiley=grin2.gif] |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by cynjeep89 on Feb 4th, 2008, 9:45pm I wonder if this is the same Tim Weir, M.D. who is mentioned in the clusterheadachecure website? http://www.theamericanchiropractor.com/articledetail.asp?articleid=102&category=9 |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by seasonalboomer on Feb 4th, 2008, 10:04pm Regarding: http://www.clusterheadachecure.com/ or The Cluster Cure™...... It appears Dr. Angela Butkevic has a few references to check into: End Your Driving Anxiety Fast With The Driving Fear Program "As a Clinical Psychologist, it's my duty to know the most effective treatments for people troubled by phobias such as driving anxiety. The Driving Fear Program is the BEST resource I've found, I recommend it to all my patients." Dr. Angela Butkevic, PsyD. She really likes recommending things. Let's get the bloodhounds on the trail. Check this out: http://www.asianpay.cn/mental-health/FEARCURE.htm Check out the website design -- kind of familiar? We got us a nasty scam on the radar. Take a little look into the "Better Internet Bureau" -- some Canadian scammers trying to help other crooks look legit -- their website doesn't even work -- yet they are the "Better Internet Bureau". Weir's a Chiropractor who claims that he cures 95% of the migraine patients that come into his practice. What a maroon. This thing has a bunch of aromas about it and they all have a hint of poo. Scott |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by Linda_Howell on Feb 5th, 2008, 3:44pm They must know someone is ON to them... Here's what I get. Quote:
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by Bob_Johnson on Feb 5th, 2008, 4:03pm Linda, it's not "page" but "mind"..... |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by Annette on Feb 5th, 2008, 4:49pm Legally chiropractors, physiotherapists, dentists, psychologists etc are not doctors. However, most of them like to call themselves doctors, which is misleading to the public. |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by vietvet2tours on Feb 5th, 2008, 5:49pm on 02/05/08 at 16:49:00, Annette wrote:
Bettin my oral surgeon is a leetle bit more than ASE certified. Potter |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by otakuhouse on Feb 5th, 2008, 6:06pm If this was this dude's passion as he says, seems like he'd be here sharing the information for free. I wouldn't cross the street to piss in this dude's ear if his brain was on fire. You're better off waiting for Tom Cruise to personally help you. |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by deltadarlin on Feb 5th, 2008, 7:36pm on 02/05/08 at 16:49:00, Annette wrote:
Yes, legally they are doctors, they just aren't MD's. I don't see how they are misleading the public. Most people woudlnt' go do a psychologist for surgery and on the flip-flop, people don't go to MDs' for psychological assessments. |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by brewcrew on Feb 5th, 2008, 9:39pm My chiropractor would take umbrage with that. Her school (Palmer College of Chiropractic) issued her a diploma with the degree "Doctor of Chiropractic." I don't go to her for CH treatment, or root canals, or gall bladder surgery, or heart bypass. I go to her when my back hurts or I've somehow injured my musculo-skeletal system. She works wonders for that. I guarantee my GP couldn't do what she does. But they're both doctors. |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by Guiseppi on Feb 5th, 2008, 11:01pm Technically speaking all attorneys in the USA are doctors, their degree is a Juris Doctorate in law! (And I probably spelled that wrong too!) Attention DJ, can we get spell check on this thing for us grammatically challenged types! ;;D Guiseppi |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by vietvet2tours on Feb 5th, 2008, 11:13pm on 02/05/08 at 16:49:00, Annette wrote:
Who might these etc.be. potter |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by brewcrew on Feb 5th, 2008, 11:14pm on 02/05/08 at 23:01:36, Guiseppi wrote:
But they're not the healing type. I play in a band with three PhD's, and they're not technically "healing" doctors, but they're closer than lawyers: two psychologists and a professor of anesthesiology. My chiropractor heals me. |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by Annette on Feb 5th, 2008, 11:21pm Sounds like there are differences in the US system and the English system. In Australia, its illegal to proclaim oneself as a doctor unless one has a PhD or has been through medical school. In Australia, oral surgeons are not dentists, they are oro-maxillo-facial surgeons. General dentists here dont do surgery, only simple extractions. |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by deltadarlin on Feb 6th, 2008, 9:29am on 02/05/08 at 23:21:52, Annette wrote:
on 02/05/08 at 16:49:00, Annette wrote:
Annette, Sorry, but you aren't making any sense to me, here. If a person has a PhD, DVM, DDS, DO, DC, JD (and yes, you spelled it correctly, Guisseppi) they are all entitled to call themselves *Dr.*. However, you said in your first post, they are NOT doctors and are misleading to the public when they call themselves doctors. So, dentists in your county don't call themselves *Dr*? And, in the US, there is a really big difference between an oral surgeon and a maxiofacial surgeon (this I know, because we just happen to have one of each). |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by monty on Feb 6th, 2008, 10:12am That 'e-book' looks like something that was developed for migraines and other headaches, and then re-written for clusters. I'm not tempted to buy it. on 02/05/08 at 23:21:52, Annette wrote:
Here, the scope of practice is the critical factor - the term doctor has little meaning itself. If you hang up a shingle advertising yourself as a family physician, you need to have a degree and professional registration that lets you do so. Dentists and other medical professionals are commonly addressed as doctor - so are the veterinarians. we have media celebs like "Dr. Phil" and "Dr. Laura" and "Dr. Ruth" who may or may not even have a Ph.D. - not a problem unless they try practicing medicine. |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by wildhaus on Feb 6th, 2008, 2:04pm seems like there are differences in the US system and the Swiss system as well. In Switzerland, its illegal to proclaim oneself as a doctor unless one got a PhD or has been through medical school. In Switzerland, dentists are called (under the new system) med. dent. Blanche Schuwey Zahnärztin (dentist) Hauptstrasse 572, 9650 Nesslau She is my dentist, and she did her Uni. Degree - and it is the same as what used to be calld Dr. Med. Dent. in the past. So difrent thingyries defrent ways..... To the "Book" I will try and get a hold of one as soon as I can and will be able to tell you all abot the CH cure.... but just looking at the Link given........ I wonder what are all the reserchers are doing..... If in one simple book we find the "cure".... and what for am I going thrugh my "new tretment" with so much hope......... I must be stupid / masochist ¨ I just need to get the book........... and I am "CURED" I tip on its a scamm Michael |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by Stinger on Feb 6th, 2008, 3:50pm The book may be interesting or it may not. I am sure this site can offer just as much, if not more info than the book, collectively. After all, there is a lot of brain power on this site and we have all tried about everything possible to stop, abort or any other thing to get through the headaches. We are the power. Huah! |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by deltadarlin on Feb 6th, 2008, 5:01pm Michael, I'm not seeing where our systems are different, at all. Perhaps Annette needs to rephrase what she said. In my post, I indicated that the use of legitimate use of the term *Dr* requires a particular type of degree (used PhD and others as an example). Now, I'm confused. |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by outofcommission on Mar 9th, 2008, 11:05pm well heres my [smiley=twocents.gif]. now keep in mind i have a cdl not a phd. i cured my ch solely by using this site. haven't been to a nuero, haven't taken any rx drugs. i've got all the info i need right here. i can get unbiased advice, support, and i've made some great friends here who understand. i'm not advising anyone not to see a nuero, however if you don't have insurance and can't afford several doctor visits, this site is very helpful. if you do buy the book, by all means, let us know what you think. seems like theres allot of good info on their page. the meditation method sounds pretty good. oh, and you never have to apologize for bringing us info. information is golden. thanks for posting this. |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by Annette on Mar 9th, 2008, 11:15pm on 03/09/08 at 23:05:35, outofcommission wrote:
Although I understand perfectly where you are coming from, and I respect that is your choice but I need to say that this is not good practice and there are risks involved with what you are doing, and in the general term, not recommended. I am not having a dig at you, I am just wanting to stress that the best way is to get a proper diagnosis from a headache specialist, get a few tests done to rule out other nasties , then discuss and choose the treatments you are most comfortable with, with your doctors. This board is to provide information, not diagnosis nor treatment plan. |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by beachmusic on Mar 10th, 2008, 12:01pm I have a neighbor that has his darn phd in ART ;;D he insist on being called Dr. so and so! Even wants his holiday cards addressed to that way. I took him off my list. |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by thebbz on Mar 10th, 2008, 2:52pm I've got a M.A in BS. I must be a specialist. thebb :D |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by Murdockscott on Apr 9th, 2008, 11:56pm I have to say, I find the use of the word "cure" to be close to being offensive. Is it really? and if not, it's the sort of thing that should get them sued in my opinion. I agree with what others have said in that the book is most likely a collection of freely available information. I would even say that it could very well be helpful. But even if it was worth the $ just as a reference material, the aggressive manner in which its promoted leaves me with a foul taste in my mouth and is clear evidence of the motivations of the creators. *sigh* Doc. *waves@beachmusic* :) |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by brewcrew on Apr 10th, 2008, 9:58am on 03/10/08 at 12:01:58, beachmusic wrote:
Your neighbor's arrogance is certainly stunning, but please tell me you're not mocking the serious study of art? |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by beachmusic on Apr 10th, 2008, 10:20am Please don't misunderstand me. I admire art in all forms and anyone that has that gift I envy and encourage to take to the highest level possible. In fact this particular fellow is brilliant and a wonderful teacher. I just do not appreciate having to address him as Dr. just because he has his doctorate. We sit on the porch and drink cold beer together for pete's sake. To me there is a difference between a medical doctor and someone that has their doctorate in art. My sister in law has her doctorate in art but she doesn't request that anyone call her doctor, thank goodness. :) Please feel free to all jump in if you feel I am wrong here, as I do not have one of those thingies. ;) ;) Here's to the serious study of anything one chooses! Mary Ann |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by brewcrew on Apr 10th, 2008, 12:12pm I did misunderstand you, but I understand better now. This is what made me think you were mocking: Quote:
I play in a band with three PhD's, and I hardly ever address them as "doctor." Unless we're goofing around. And I find that they address each other as "doctor" far more often than I do. I guess they've earned the right. I, however, don't usually call anyone "doctor" unless they're MY doctor. |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by sandie99 on Apr 10th, 2008, 1:02pm There are lots of Drs in my family from my dad's side of the family, but only one of them is MD. None of them is referred as Dr during family gatherings, but only the MD one cares about the title in guestion anyway. Back in here the Finnish language offers options how to avoid the similar problem with the Dr title, because the word "tohtori" (which can be used for MDs in spoken language) is usually used for those with doctorate no matter what the specific topic is about, but the word "lääkäri" (means doctor) is used from MDs only. Sanna |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by zanychef on Apr 12th, 2008, 3:05am just to get back to the amazing book has anybody heard ofor knows of the 'chers' giving the testimonials???? ;) Zany |
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Title: Re: Cluster headache cure Post by thebbz on Apr 12th, 2008, 1:04pm Quote:
Ya, they are his cousins,sisters and such. ;;D This guy is a leach. thebb |
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