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(Message started by: tommyD on Jan 11^th, 2008, 5:36pm)

Title: LSA report - 4 years
Post by tommyD on Jan 11^th, 2008, 5:36pm

In January of 2004, a clusterhead was finding only limited relief with psilocybin, so he tried using a related chemical, often called LSA, from the seeds of a plant with trumpet-shaped flowers and heart-shaped leaves.
It ended a very stubborn cycle.

Since then, I have collected reports from 110 people using LSA from Rivea corymbosa, Hawaiian baby wood rose and Ipomea violacia seeds.

Of those 110 people reporting, as of January 11, 2008:
73 (66.4%) had significant positive results,
16 (14.5 %) had negative results, and
21 (19.1 %) I classified as indeterminate, meaning people weren't sure of the results, weren't clear on the results, or did not report the outcome.

These results are completely unscientific, as they are anecdotal and most are collected from the Internet, meaning they are skewed in either direction for any number of reasons. Make of them what you will.

My personal opinion is that LSA is very effective in preventing cluster headache and breaking cluster cycles, though not as effective as the other indole-ring hallucinogens, psilocybin and LSD. My unscientific count of those reporting the use of psilocybin and LSD have a success rate of 75 percent or more.

LSA has some advantages, however, in that the seeds can be purchased legally (though not for ingestion) in the US and many other countries, and they are much less likely to cause a psychedelic experience at medicinal levels.

In my opinion (a very humble one), the indole-ring hallucinogens are the best preventive yet found, and they can also be very effective in stopping individual attacks.

They should not be used, however, by pregnant women, those with serious mental illness, or those who fear psychoactive effects.

For more information see:
www.clusterbusters.com

-tommyD

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by K-MAN on Jan 11^th, 2008, 5:44pm

I've used the RC seeds during the last 2 cluster cycles, and they are effective in reducing the frequency and intensity of attacks. It's another great tool to use in the fight.

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by Chillrmn1 on Jan 11^th, 2008, 7:13pm

on 01/11/08 at 17:36:56, tommyD wrote:

In my opinion (a very humble one), the indole-ring hallucinogens are the best preventive yet found, and they can also be very effective in stopping individual attacks.

They have been by far the most efficacious treatment I've tried. 31 months since last cycle is hard for me to deny.

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by andrewjb on Jan 11^th, 2008, 9:34pm

:), great effort tommyD. andrew.

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by Kevin_M on Jan 11^th, 2008, 9:46pm

on 01/11/08 at 17:36:56, tommyD wrote:

I have collected reports from 110 people using LSA from Rivea corymbosa, Hawaiian baby wood rose and Ipomea violacia seeds.

Make of them what you will.

My personal opinion is that LSA is very effective...

For more information see:
www.clusterbusters.com

Helpful information for some, tommy. :)

Thanks

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by nani on Jan 12^th, 2008, 12:35am

Well, being a huge fan of LSA and the other clusterbuster treatments, I'd like to thank you for all your work on this, Tommy. :)
Your efforts will benefit all CH sufferers in time.
hugs, nani

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years ---another report
Post by van101 on Jan 12^th, 2008, 1:44pm

If anyone would like the whole artical Id be happy to send it in a .pdf file, just private message me.

Downloaded from www.neurology.org at Johns Hopkins University on August 3, 2007

Response of cluster headache to psilocybin and LSD
R. Andrew Sewell, John H. Halpern and Harrison G. Pope, Jr

Abstract—The authors interviewed 53 cluster headache patients who had
used psilocybin or lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) to treat their condition.
Twenty-two of 26 psilocybin users reported that psilocybin aborted attacks; 25
of 48 psilocybin users and 7 of 8 LSD users reported cluster period termination;
18 of 19 psilocybin users and 4 of 5 LSD users reported remission period
extension. Research on the effects of psilocybin and LSD on cluster headache
may be warranted.

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by pattik on Jan 12^th, 2008, 3:04pm

Tommy,
Thank you for all the hard work you have done compiling these statistics. Your work has played a large role in medical research being able to move forward for this treatment.

Patti

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by karma on Jan 13^th, 2008, 5:38pm

Tommy,
u Da Man! Thanks
great stuff for busting a cycle or as an abortive.

Robbie

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by Beastfodder on Jan 13^th, 2008, 5:48pm

Tommy

Thanks for the update

This approach has revolutionised my relationship with CH.

Knocked last year's cycle on the head for the first time in years - can't say I missed it. Didn't even need a sniff of O2.

All the best

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by LeeS on Jan 14^th, 2008, 12:31pm

Thanks for the update Tommy - great stuff 8)

When are you updating the psilocybin one? ;)

-Lee

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by ski2k on Jan 15^th, 2008, 3:50am

Agreed..... And thanx to you Tommy!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by tommyD on Jan 15^th, 2008, 6:50am

Stop thanking me so much already! It's just a little copy-&-paste every now and then.

Thank instead all those hundreds of courageous folks who have posted their experience with these taboo, evil, illegal, spawn-of-the-devil substances right out there in public.

And the most thanks should go to DJ, who allows and enables this discussion to go on.

-tommyD

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by MJ on Jan 15^th, 2008, 11:06am

Thankyou, all you hundreds of courageous folks who have posted your experiences with these wonderful, heaven sent, devil training and pain reducing natural substances right here in public.

Thankyou DJ for allowing many of us to find our way through the darkness and the pain as we walked right
through hell to dance in the light on the farther side.

And thankyou tommyD for keeping track of it all. Its pretty cool to see so many have been helped.

2 years and still pain free with a monthly dose of RC seeds
I am a lucky one yet every single day I remember the pain and know that the devil (CH) is knocking on my door but I now have a great tool to help to overcome. Long may it last.

Thank you all you cluster busters.

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by kingsiren on Jan 15^th, 2008, 9:05pm

I ordered my RC seeds today and hopefully I will be trying them by Friday. i have had a very hard time obtaining shrooms so I'm gonna gibe them a shot. Thanks to all the other clusterheads who discovered this!!!!!

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by bluebrain on Mar 6^th, 2008, 5:27am

Sometime ago wrote about Psilocybin/psilocin and clusterheadache under the name of Bluebrain theory including a reference list, you can read about it if you go to google search and type bluebrain theory, right now I'm tryng to finish a more scientific based article. As all those who have tried psolocybin/psilocin, LSD, LSA, I totally agree that here lies the solution for our illness.
The missing serotonin is replaced by one of this compounds,(no vasodilation of the ophthalmic artery means no mechanical activation of the trigeminal nerve specially V1 branch and therefor NO PAIN!) but this happens only during the active phase of this disorder.
Yours sincerely.
Bluebrain/ Arild Ejsing.

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by thebbz on Mar 6^th, 2008, 8:23pm

Works for me. I dont miss the prednisone, trex, lithuim .....and the list goes on. Thanks to God for these things. Thanks to the courage of all involved.
thebb 8)

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by PollyPocket on Mar 6^th, 2008, 9:14pm

This was by far the singlemost effective treatment I have ever used. Thank you to all the clusterbusters, thank you Tommy for compiling the information, and DJ, thank you for giving us a place to connect.

I will never go back to conventional "medicines" and all the negative side effects again. The hell of a 10, the ramming my head into a wall or floor, the cry for help that never comes... I'll take the seeds over that any day, and will proudly and justifiably stand behind that decision at any cost.

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by richcurtin on Mar 7^th, 2008, 11:33am

Do any of these not produce a high? I want the headaches to stop so my brain functions, so not interested in seeing pink elephants dancing in my living room.

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by beachmusic on Mar 7^th, 2008, 12:27pm

I have a few questions that have probably been answered but could someone help me out.
Sorry but with ch and all the effects of the drugs it is a bit difficult to make my way through all the info on the clusterbuster website.

1) Is one type seed better or easier to tolerate than another (stomach problems, etc.)
2) Does one type seed bring on more of a high(hallucinations, etc.) than another?
3) I heard there is conradictions with other meds. like thyroid. 4) Is there a website where I could reference this?
5) Do any or most folks share the fact that they are trying this with their neurologist and what type response LOL do they get?
6) You soak these things in wine or water?

Thanks Mary Ann

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by coach_bill on Mar 7^th, 2008, 4:15pm

Count me in Tommy, the rc.seeds wiped out what was the ending of a long cycle, got rid of all my shadows, the next morning i woke up and just knew it was gone. My only regret is i didnt know of it sooner, how many cycles could have been blocked?? but i cant fool myself nothing has 100% ending, were all gonna get our hits, but these seeds has given me some kinda feeling of power, and thats something the beast has never let me feel. coach bill.

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by pattik on Mar 7^th, 2008, 5:08pm

on 03/07/08 at 12:27:48, beachmusic wrote:

You can find most, if not all of your answers at the following link:
http://www.clusterbusters.com/faqlsa.htm
Question 3&4...if you're on Thyroid meds, or any others, you should ask your doctor first.
As to question "5"....I'm not sure I get your "LOL", but my doctor not only DIDN'T laugh when he heard that I had gotten good results with the Clusterbuster treatments, he wanted to know more. Any ethical physician would want to know what you are putting into your body. It would be best to educate yourself completely about these treatments and inform your physician prior to just jumping in.

-Pat

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by beachmusic on Mar 7^th, 2008, 5:20pm

I am LOL =laughing out loud to keep from crying because I cannot get a doctor to return my calls much less see one. I have been daily since jan 7 and cannot see the doctor until Jan 20. There is no way I will get any positive feedback from my doctor regarding alternative treatments and yes I know I need a new one but that also takes a lot of time and will be into the summer. Pain makes it quite difficult to absorb all this info as I am sure many of you know.
Whatever I will give it a try and share it with the doctor. All he can do is show his lack support. Which is exactly what I expect.

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by brewcrew on Mar 7^th, 2008, 5:21pm

I have discussed the clusterbuster treatment with my doctor, and he gave me his full support if I wanted to try it. Nothing LOL about it.

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by nani on Mar 7^th, 2008, 5:29pm

My GP actually said this to me:

"I am so happy that you found this treatment. Remember all the meds we were throwing at you, and you were still having attacks?"

My neuro said:
"Hey, if it's working...you should keep it up."

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by beachmusic on Mar 7^th, 2008, 5:33pm

i wish your doctors lived in virginia and or had appointments available.

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by beachmusic on Mar 7^th, 2008, 5:38pm

I'm sorry, I am not even making sense. My appt with my doctor is March 20 not Jan 20. Good grief! :-[

Title: Re: LSA report - 4 years
Post by Pinkfloyd on Mar 7^th, 2008, 6:00pm

[quote author=beachmusic link=board=meds;num=1200091016;start=25#26 date=03/07/08 at 17:38:19]I'm sorry, I am not even making sense. My appt with my doctor is March 20 not Jan 20. Good grief! :-[/quote]

Print out the following info and either get the articles online or write me and I'll send them to you...or have your doctor get the articles. He will if he cares about learning new information that will help his patients.
There are also links to others that can be found on clusterbusters.com that you can print out and take in.
At least the Lancet and Neurology should at minimum make him go...hmmmmm.

The Lancet Neurology, Current Issue, Volume 5, Number 9, September 2006:

Hallucinogen Research inspires “neurotheology”

The perceived benefits of psychedelic drugs are not commonly thought to extend to health. However, new research suggests that subhallucinogenic doses of the active compound in magic mushrooms and LSD may help prevent cluster headache. In a feature, Kelly Morris investigates potential neurological uses of psychedelic drugs.....

http://www.neurology.org/cgi/content/abstract/66/12/1920

NEUROLOGY 2006;66:1920-1922
© 2006 American Academy of Neurology

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Brief Communications

Response of cluster headache to psilocybin and LSD
R. Andrew Sewell, MD, John H. Halpern, MD and Harrison G. Pope, Jr, MD
From the Biological Psychiatry Laboratory (J.H.H., H.G.P.) and Clinical Research Laboratory (R.A.S.), Alcohol and Drug Abuse Research Center, McLean Hospital/Harvard Medical School, Belmont, MA.
----

I suggest that anyone wondering how to go about bringing up the subject with their doctors, just bring in some of the documents and ask their opinion.
Many of us have long standing relationships with our doctors and we know they'll be accepting of new information, no matter how non-mainstream it may be. Others that aren't so fortunate should at least feel free enough to ask their doctors opinions on these subjects without damaging their doctor-patient relationship. If it does, to talk of such things, I'd want to find someone more willing to look outside the box, or under a rock for that matter, to find me some help.

Bobw