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(Message started by: noed28 on Dec 15^th, 2007, 8:21am)

Title: forgot the links
Post by noed28 on Dec 15^th, 2007, 8:21am

Thats what CH's are all about, eh - cant think properly!
Sorry, here are the links:

http://www.blatmanpainclinic.com/Headache-and-Myofascial-Pain.htm

http://www.round-earth.com/HeadPainIntro.html

Title: Re: forgot the links
Post by vietvet2tours on Dec 15^th, 2007, 11:15am

Sorry ya remembered them.

Potter

Title: Re: forgot the links
Post by chewy on Dec 15^th, 2007, 9:35pm

I told my parents taking trumpet lessons was a bad idea. Now I have cluster headaches.

God Dammit!

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v388/bgull2/th_Buccinator-Pain.jpg

Title: Re: forgot the links
Post by AlienSpaceGuy on Dec 15^th, 2007, 10:23pm

Two very helpful qoutes about clusterheadaches from these two sites:

www.blatmanpainclinic.com:
Quote:

Cluster headache is more common in men than in women. More than 50% of people describe intense, non-throbbing, one sided headache "behind the eye" that is stabbing or burning.

www.round-earth.com:
Quote:

Thats about all most doctors know :(

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Title: Re: forgot the links
Post by Monty on Dec 17^th, 2007, 9:44am

I have been able to abort ocular migraines in about 2 minutes using myofascial release. Before that, they always lasted at least 25 to 40 minutes. Haven't tried it on CH since I have been in remission since I have read about this method.

Myofascial trigger points can refer pain to nearby nerves. I believe that this is related to how nerve blocks and botulism therapies work. Nerve blocks directly interfere with the flow of information between upper and lower nerves, and botulism paralyzes the muscles, which can reduce nearby neuromuscular activity. (~~Botulism has not been found to be very effective for CH as I understand it~~ - Bob Johnson just posted a study that found that botulism injections can sometimes provide relief for CH.)

If a person has trigger points that are activating the trigeminal, deactivating them might reduce the irritability of that nerve. Like nerve blocks, this is not going to be any thing close to a cure, it won't help every one. But it might be a cheap (ie, free) and safe do-it-yourself method that involves learning to recognize trigger points (if you have them) and then massaging them.

Here is one article from Clinical Anesthesiology that says that autonomic problems can be caused by trigger points:

" ... A myofascial trigger point is a hyperirritable spot, usually within a taut band of skeletal muscle, which is painful on compression and can give rise to characteristic referred pain, motor dysfunction, and autonomic phenomena. Trigger points may be relieved through noninvasive measures, such as spray and stretch, transcutaneous electrical stimulation, physical therapy, and massage. Invasive treatments for myofascial trigger points include injections with local anesthetics, corticosteroids, or botulism toxin or dry needling."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=18054148

For tension headaches, the myofascial approach can be quite good. For migraine there is also evidence it works. For clusters, ????

Title: Re: forgot the links
Post by Monty on Dec 17^th, 2007, 10:01am

Another study from an Italian headache center points to myofascial problems increasing 'central' (brain) nerve excitability in migraine. So the idea of myofascial points affecting clusters is not so far fetched.

"These results suggest that migraine pain is often contributed to by myofascial inputs that enhance the level of central neuronal excitability."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=17690015