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Title: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other things Post by plungerjoke on Nov 16th, 2007, 4:50am i am in the midst of my third cycle... had my first about 5 years ago... anyways, i will cut to the chase, my two previous cycles lasted a whole lot less time than this... and i think their mysterious ends may have coincided with my recreational use of psychedelic mushrooms ... anyways, i grew up a little bit, lost my connections to these things... and this time around, i am on topamax which has my typical RAZOR SHARP wit about as dull as .... see .... cannot even think of something dull... did a predisnone taper... they came back STRONG right after it was over... topamax ever since. going to try the RC seed treatment. hopefully it will have the same effect as mushrooms (maybe) have in the past. also: has anyone else ever developed a nasty dependence on OTC decongestants while in cycle??? yeah yeah yeah i know ... DONT DONT DONT!!! i'm workin on it.... going to have to part ways with a family doctor who is turning out to be incompetent... heh.... sorry for the ramblyness first paragraph'ish is the part i wanted to share. |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by birdman on Nov 16th, 2007, 8:44am I think you should reconnect with your old friends. Check out clusterbusters.com as additional research to this awesome site. Nothing beats ch.com, great people great advice. |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by ski2k on Nov 16th, 2007, 12:42pm Welcome! Sorry you had to find your way back here. I've been treating this cycle of mine with RC seeds, and have had just incredible results. Since about my 4th or 5th dose, I haven't had ANY signs of CH. You should definitely check out the clusterbusters web site. There's a lot of good info there. Here's the link: http://clusterbusters.com/ Best of luck to ya!! Adam |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by annar on Nov 16th, 2007, 12:51pm check out the clusterbuster.com site i was in the same boat. I had been a recreational shroomer and was probably aborted some of my cycles without even knowing it. Now that Im all grown up I'm on dopamax..er...topamax. A whopping 125 mg a day. so I spend my days searching for words and phrases. I would have gone the other route but I was already too deep into these meds. I couldnt handle the detox of at least 5 days. I would have been a zombie from lack of sleep (have to work), I get the night hits. I know one thing....these side effects suck...prednisone, topomax, Imitrex...all of them....side effects. nothing too scary but hey the other route you get nothing! rrr |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by birdman on Nov 16th, 2007, 2:26pm Have you tried using melatonin for the nightime hits? Worked wonders for me. Tim |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by plungerjoke on Nov 16th, 2007, 3:34pm as far as the detox goes... hmmm i know all the sites say "do it do it do it" but i'm only on topamax... and a VERY low (25 mgs, twice daily), at that, one that my body is very close to being completely tolerant of.... it isnt even listed as one of the drugs sure to interfere with the seed treatment... i've actually read quite a bit about it (years of internerding has taught me to read up on things before posting... especially a new thread!) my plan (as of now... and most likely barring anyone saying 'this will kill you' or 'this will make the seed treatment never work') is 1. prep/take about 35 RC seeds when they arrive 2. taper off topamax over the next 3 days (switch to one pill a day) 3. if necessary (which it probably will be, from the sounds of it) take another 35 seeds five days after the initial dose... repeat until cycle aborted/it becomes clear this method is not going to work for me... to the person who suggested i re-establish old connections... i wish it were that simple... suppliers live all across the country now... i'm pretty thankful for my incompetent physician, in a way, it sounds like i'm low on the medication spectrum of clusterheads.... should make getting off this effing poison much easier.... wish me luck! |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by ski2k on Nov 16th, 2007, 4:36pm From the clusterbusters site, just FYI: 4.1.2 Possible inhibitors There are some medications which may interfere with psilocybin (and LSD): anti-convulsants or anti-epileptic medications such as Neurontin(gabapentin) and Topamax(topiramate). The exact mechanism by which topiramate works, for example, is still unknown, so it is impossible to even guess whether or not it will interfere with psilocybin. Found the info here: http://clusterbusters.com/faq.html#4 IMHO, If you're on such a low dose of Topomax, and it doesn't seem to help anyway, then talk to your doc about just getting off it before you start the seed treatment. Best of luck to ya!! Adam |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by plungerjoke on Nov 16th, 2007, 4:41pm i read that... no way to know isnt "will" or "wont" my experience is valuable to others my doc is a moron who wont listen to me... heh... going to give it a shot tonight i think... |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by ski2k on Nov 16th, 2007, 4:46pm Ok. Just thought I'd point that out. Let us know if you have success with the seeds while staying on it. I'm kinda curious to know, too. Best of luck, Adam |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by Pinkfloyd on Nov 16th, 2007, 6:45pm Good luck plunger!! Let us know how things go. All reports add to the database and help everyone. Bobw |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by StrangeBrew on Nov 16th, 2007, 6:52pm on 11/16/07 at 15:34:37, plungerjoke wrote:
That "effing poison" has saved a number of people's lives. |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by plungerjoke on Nov 16th, 2007, 7:10pm i'm aware of that... but like many other prescription meds it isnt without horrible side effects... i wasnt insulting anyone, just upset about the necessity of drugs like this, and longing for maybe a day when they are no longer needed. apologies if i stepped on any toes. |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by Redd on Nov 16th, 2007, 7:16pm on 11/16/07 at 18:52:02, StrangeBrew wrote:
Agreed Bill dear. And clusterbusters has as well. |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by StrangeBrew on Nov 16th, 2007, 7:38pm on 11/16/07 at 19:16:09, Redd wrote:
And I don't call seeds or shrooms or 'cid "effing poison." |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by Redd on Nov 16th, 2007, 7:52pm Might CH actually be the catalist for the phrase that one man's cure is another man's poison? I have to wonder given the plethora of meds and combinations that we use to deal with this horror. |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by plungerjoke on Nov 16th, 2007, 7:59pm if i look at the potential long term side effects of topamax, and discount its ability to relieve symptoms of chronic illnesses in some people... to me it does look like an "effing poison" i wasnt insulting you and i apologize if you interpreted it that way -kurt. |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by plungerjoke on Nov 16th, 2007, 8:04pm oh god i've gone from getting off on the wrong foot to....... probably an un-salvageable internet relationship haha... a do-over perhaps my name is kurt topamax helps to reduce my symptoms, but even in low doses (which are starting to not keep me PF) the mental side effects are too much for it to be a viable treatment option. |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by StrangeBrew on Nov 16th, 2007, 8:40pm on 11/16/07 at 19:59:14, plungerjoke wrote:
Here's what you don't seem to understand: You don't get to decide if I am insulted. So try not to say things that could be potentially insulting. It would be like you calling my son a bastard when he has been a godsend to me. Apology accepted. Edited to add: For the record, I was not personally insulted by your phraseology. But a good number of my brothers and sisters here very well could have been. I have never taken Topomax. |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by nani on Nov 17th, 2007, 12:37am on 11/16/07 at 15:34:37, plungerjoke wrote:
Hi Kurt. It's really not recommended that you start with a 35 seed dose. It's really better to start low (the buster site recommends 5 RC seeds to start) and work up if needed. Good luck and keep us posted. pf wishes, nani |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by plungerjoke on Nov 17th, 2007, 3:02am took it earlier this evening... felt a little weird, little nauseous, fell asleep relatively quickly, woke up an hour later... heh... nothing too extreme.... will keep everyone updated.... fingers crossed. |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by EstieSA on Nov 17th, 2007, 8:16am on 11/16/07 at 19:59:14, plungerjoke wrote:
I agree with you , I'm on 100mg / day and I hate the effing poison ! :'( |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by StrangeBrew on Nov 17th, 2007, 9:07am on 11/17/07 at 08:16:00, EstieSA wrote:
If it's "effing poison," stop taking it. |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by rolo65 on Nov 17th, 2007, 9:15am Well, where do I start? Topamax is some nasty stuff in my experience. The first time I was on it at 75mg, I had to quit after 2 weeks. My nero through a fit and made me try it again even though it didn’t help the CH attacks. I was also on verap & tegratol at that time. So I go back on the topamax at 50mg and force myself to stay on the stuff for 2 moths. I was toxic after the first 30 days. I couldn’t remember how to get anywhere driving, and it got so bad that I felt too incapacitated to do anything (but suffer through the Kip8 attacks in a daze sucking on O2, and unable to fight the beast). And then I ended up loosing my job to boot. I’m sure many people can tolerate that crap but not me. I also don’t think Topamax is actually approved for CH, only migraines. Then there is some chance of calcium build up in your organs also (kidney’s especially). So I guess in a way if you died of kidney falure from topamax use it would be considered poisonous to that unfortunate individual anyway. I understand that many of the drugs used for CH are not originally intended for CH but have some or a lot of good results. Everyone is different so to each his/her own. PFW, Rolo…. |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by EstieSA on Nov 17th, 2007, 12:16pm on 11/17/07 at 09:07:14, StrangeBrew wrote:
You mebbe right ! Its still early days so I'll hang on for a while... :'( |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by annar on Nov 17th, 2007, 8:05pm I'm at 125mg's topomax. I can function fine. Minor problems but nothing I can't handle, and I have to deal with people all day. I agree, it isn't something I would want to stay on long term. I'm hoping to be off, at the most by jan. rrr |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by plungerjoke on Nov 26th, 2007, 3:30pm I've dosed 3 times so far... the once was without detoxing off of 50 mgs of topomax... havent taken topomax or had to use an abortive energy drink since... some mild shadows in the morning, occassionally i get the congestion/tears that usually come along with the headaches. ive dosed with 35-40 seeds each time (just wasnt very careful counting... made sure it stayed under 40 tho) no real "tripping" of any kind, the first dose was accompanied by some mild paranoia and major passing out... followed by relief.... still some mild shadows feeling good overall though, will probably dose one more time like i've been doing, then stop entirely till my next cycle. |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by nani on Nov 26th, 2007, 11:59pm Sounds good, Kurt. :) continued pf wishes to you, nani |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by plungerjoke on Dec 15th, 2007, 12:51am had continued dosing... went out and had some fun (and some drinks!) pain came back, and hard! went back on the topomax, and have been using melatonin to get sleep at night... looks like I may have gone chronic (though it is still very early to be saying this) neither of my other cycles have lasted this long though |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by brewcrew on Dec 15th, 2007, 10:08am You might want to consider laying off the sauce for an extended period of time. |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by plungerjoke on Dec 15th, 2007, 2:54pm heh considered and put into effect already maybe for a lifetime who knows??? |
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Title: Re: Indole Ring Hallucinogen Treatment/other thing Post by Crappy on Mar 18th, 2008, 1:28am Hello all. Plungerjoke: any updates? I'm chronic for a few years, episodic 5 years before that. Just diagnosed last fall, and was given Topomax and later verapamil. Topomax worked great at first - even 2 PF days with each increased dose. It was a godsend at first while it lasted. Once up to 300mg topomax and 360mg verapamil the daytime hits had mellowed, but nighttime hell continued. Then 4 weeks ago it all stopped working. One neuro said we'd just crank the Topomax up as high as 900mg. Anothr neuro gave me scripts to up verapamil to 720mg, and switch to lithium. My wife and I decided before hitting more scripts that hard to try rc seeds. Better results than other drugs so far after my 2nd dose - I'll post daily logs soon. |
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