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(Message started by: malkidm on Sep 26th, 2007, 12:20pm)
Title: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by malkidm on Sep 26th, 2007, 12:20pm
OK, I know this will sound odd, but I am 100% serious.  I hope that this technique will work for some of you.

I'm in the middle of a cycle and up until this past weekend, I've been hit with KIP-8's at night.  In a fit of desperation, I tried something new.  Chug 10oz of COLD water (a la "water X 3" technique) and chew a piece of gum (Vigorously).  The result: pain peaks at KIP-6 and the hit is over after about 10 minutes.  Go ahead and call me nuts, but it works for me every time.

Anyway, if anyone is willing to try this technique, please let us know how it works out for you.

Just an FYI, I don't have any scripts for REAL medications yet.  My first neuro appt is in November.  So, I'm just trying to get through the next few months.
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Linda_Howell on Sep 26th, 2007, 2:43pm

 In the meantime print out everything you can to take with you to the new Dr. when you go.

 Chug one of the energy drinks like rock star, red bull, etc.  Strong coffee, ice packs, sit in front of the AC or a fan...these might help you get through til November too.

I won't call you nuts but I have never heard of the bubble gum technique.  :-/
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by vietvet2tours on Sep 26th, 2007, 4:10pm

on 09/26/07 at 14:43:49, Linda_Howell wrote:
 In the meantime print out everything you can to take with you to the new Dr. when you go.

 Chug one of the energy drinks like rock star, red bull, etc.  Strong coffee, ice packs, sit in front of the AC or a fan...these might help you get through til November too.

I won't call you nuts but I have never heard of the bubble gum technique.  :-/
You never heard of the bubblegum technique? Where the heck you been?
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Linda_Howell on Sep 26th, 2007, 5:14pm

   Smart ass.   ::)
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Wayne on Sep 26th, 2007, 5:21pm

on 09/26/07 at 16:10:58, vietvet2tours wrote:
You never heard of the bubblegum technique? Where the heck you been?


So if a new person on the board who makes stupid comments is defined as a troll then what is an oldie who just hangs around making crappy comments about other peoples posts? A Hobgoblin?????
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by seasonalboomer on Sep 26th, 2007, 5:28pm

on 09/26/07 at 17:21:18, Wayne wrote:
So if a new person on the board who makes stupid comments is defined as a troll then what is an oldie who just hangs around making crappy comments about other peoples posts? A Hobgoblin?????


easily entertained.   ;)  
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Wayne on Sep 26th, 2007, 5:35pm

on 09/26/07 at 17:28:27, seasonalboomer wrote:
easily entertained.   ;)  


Fair enough, maybe a donation of a jigsaw puzzle or such would keep them off the board.
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by vietvet2tours on Sep 26th, 2007, 5:40pm

on 09/26/07 at 17:35:26, Wayne wrote:
Fair enough, maybe a donation of a jigsaw puzzle or such would keep them off the board.
Suggesting I leave?
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Wayne on Sep 26th, 2007, 5:44pm
I'm suggesting that if you don't have anything positive to say then either use the PM or shut up!! I've been around here for a while and I have had guts full of the negative comments creeping in all over the board lately!
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by vietvet2tours on Sep 26th, 2007, 5:48pm

on 09/26/07 at 17:44:40, Wayne wrote:
I'm suggesting that if you don't have anything positive to say then either use the PM or shut up!! I've been around here for a while and I have had guts full of the negative comments creeping in all over the board lately!
Then my advice is get some oxygen.It's like gravy for your brain.
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Wayne on Sep 26th, 2007, 5:50pm
As I suggested - a Hobgoblin.
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Jonny on Sep 26th, 2007, 5:55pm

on 09/26/07 at 17:50:29, Wayne wrote:
As I suggested - a Hobgoblin.


Hey!, your giving my kind a bad name.....LOL

Have some gum, Wayne.  ;)
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Wayne on Sep 26th, 2007, 5:57pm
I'm chewing like a mad cow as we type.

Actually I rather like the name!
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Linda_Howell on Sep 26th, 2007, 6:00pm

 OMG, Wayne, please get a grip.  Potter was kidding around with ME..

  Let's not start a brew-ha-ha on this board too,  over something that was so innocent.  Jeeze..........
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Wayne on Sep 26th, 2007, 6:09pm
That's why I said use the PM for a private joke, no need to hijack the blokes thread.
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by nani on Sep 26th, 2007, 6:20pm

on 09/26/07 at 18:00:58, Linda_Howell wrote:
   Let's not start a brew-ha-ha on this board too,


Now you're bringing Bill into this!?!  ;)

Actually, someone else posted about this before (I believe that was the day don came back as chewy)...
If you really think about it... could chewing vigorously actually help draw blood away from your head and into your jaw? Maybe...  
Probably useless for a full on k10...but a k5?
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Kevin_M on Sep 26th, 2007, 6:35pm

on 09/26/07 at 18:20:07, nani wrote:
Actually, someone else posted about this before (I believe that was the day don came back as chewy)...


Why, you remember the very day he came back into your life again.  You have a crush on him, don't you.  Ah, the serenading sound of bagpipes under your bedroom window at 3:00am.  


Damn, I remember that too.  He appeared a stranger like CIA undercover, more like Peter Sellers though, which jonny ID'd in about 20 minutes.    ;;D


 


Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by assaultme on Sep 26th, 2007, 8:22pm

on 09/26/07 at 18:00:58, Linda_Howell wrote:


  Let's not start a brew-ha-ha on this board too


You crazy kids cut out the malarkey and brew ha ha  
[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Just teasin' Linda  [smiley=laugh.gif]
Dave
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by chewy on Sep 26th, 2007, 8:33pm

on 09/26/07 at 17:44:40, Wayne wrote:
I'm suggesting that if you don't have anything positive to say then either use the PM or shut up!! I've been around here for a while and I have had guts full of the negative comments creeping in all over the board lately!



I would suggest that you STFU entirely for awhile. Save up a buck and go get yourself a handful of Bazzokas to get you through the learning process.


Quote:
Actually, someone else posted about this before (I believe that was the day don came back as chewy)...


I honestly can not believe you guys remember that! Most people think Chewy is a knockoff for Chewbacca. It was actually a stupid and ludicrist post about chewing gum (like this one) that drew me out.

Jonny sucked then. Jonny sucks now.
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by seasonalboomer on Sep 26th, 2007, 8:40pm

on 09/26/07 at 17:35:26, Wayne wrote:
Fair enough, maybe a donation of a jigsaw puzzle or such would keep them off the board.


I hate puzzles.  Not entertaining at all.
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by ski2k on Sep 26th, 2007, 9:00pm
  Um... I hate to admit it, but Nani might be right on the chewing thing...
  Before I was diagnosed... No... Before I had ever HEARD of cluster headaches, I used to think these "things" had something to do with my issues with low blood sugar. Whenever I felt "that feeling" coming on, I'd quickly make a couple of peanut butter sandwiches and chew them up as fast as I could. Now, after reading this post, it dawns on me that it did seem to help a little. Like malkidm posted, it didn't take them away, just help calm them a bit.
  There just might be something to that! Weird!  [smiley=confused2.gif]

  Whatever is working for you, keep doing it! Good luck finding some relief, and hope your appt. with the new doc helps out!

Adam
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Kevin_M on Sep 26th, 2007, 9:12pm

on 09/26/07 at 21:00:00, ski2k wrote:
  Before I was diagnosed... No... Before I had ever HEARD of cluster headaches, I used to think these "things" had something to do with my issues with low blood sugar.


I thought I heard a gas leak can cause painful headaches.  First thing I did was have the house checked for gas leaks in the basement and near the furnace.  
 Nothing to do with gum but you just reminded me of that.  

I chewed gum in class once and had to stick it in my hair.  I guess the teacher knew it was drawing blood away from my brain.  Wish she had explained that to me.
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Ctech on Sep 26th, 2007, 9:59pm
I had a doctor tell me that I might have TMJ and that I should not chew gum before I new that I had CH (and sadly I stopped chewing gum for a while...)

You never know what might work with CH - it's like voodoo [smiley=eek.gif]

-Chris
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by seasonalboomer on Sep 26th, 2007, 10:04pm

on 09/26/07 at 21:59:43, Ctech wrote:
You never know what might work with CH - it's like voodoo [smiley=eek.gif]

-Chris


Voodoo? Not really.
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Kevin_M on Sep 26th, 2007, 10:37pm

on 09/26/07 at 21:59:43, Ctech wrote:
I should not chew gum before I new that I had CH (and sadly I stopped chewing gum for a while...)


It's never too late to start.  I miss the three minutes of flavor.  I swallowed it once and was surprised a gum tree didn't grow in my stomach, so you never know.
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Ctech on Sep 26th, 2007, 10:54pm
What other medical problem has so many crazy treatments? redbull, kudzu, shrooms, water X3, etc...
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 26th, 2007, 11:06pm
rapid chewing does not work for me.

It's been several times I have been hit while eating.  Go to a restaurant and the second the food comes, bam.  So i try to scarf down food as fast as i can so i can get out to the car and get on the O2.  But as many times as it has happened, rapid chewing of a half a meal sure didnt make it go away!!
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Kevin_M on Sep 26th, 2007, 11:06pm

on 09/26/07 at 22:54:35, Ctech wrote:
What other medical problem has so many crazy treatments? redbull, kudzu, shrooms, water X3, etc...


I haven't looked into all the ways of warding off voodoo spells, which I hear can be fatal at times, or doing things for good luck for medical problems but I'd be cautious about being as expansive with clusters.
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by nani on Sep 26th, 2007, 11:39pm

on 09/26/07 at 20:33:39, chewy wrote:
I honestly can not believe you guys remember that! Most people think Chewy is a knockoff for Chewbacca.



That was some of the most hilarious stuff you've ever written here. I PM'd you right away asking who you were, and you sent a pic of chewbacca. Then you gave it away by spelling a certain word wrong, and I knew it was you. I think my next PM asked about Tucker. LOL... I'm still kinda chuckling about those posts.
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Kevin_M on Sep 27th, 2007, 12:01am

on 09/26/07 at 23:39:24, nani wrote:
Then you gave it away by spelling a certain word wrong, and I knew it was you.


And I'm very willing to bet he used "too" in a sentence but spelled it "to".   ;)   His posts certainly raised curiosity but that's when I caught on.  A post by jonny many replies previous was a bit more knowing.  ;;D
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by nani on Sep 27th, 2007, 12:39am
Nope, not too...it was a differant word.
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Ctech on Sep 27th, 2007, 2:00am

on 09/26/07 at 23:06:48, Kevin_M wrote:
I haven't looked into all the ways of warding off voodoo spells, which I hear can be fatal at times, or doing things for good luck for medical problems but I'd be cautious about being as expansive with clusters.


I'm sure if someone saw me dance and bang my head during an attack they would think that I was performing some sort of voodoo dance.
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by sandie99 on Sep 27th, 2007, 2:44am
malkidm,

I'm curious: which one you believe to be more helping; the cold water or the gum/chewing?

I'm asking, because I drink a lot of cold water and I do chew a lot of gum. I do admit that I haven't been chewing gum during shadows/hit, but I've tried loads of other things in the past....

And I happen to have chewing gum with guarana in it and I know that I can get chewing gum with caffeine and taurine as well - and because energy drinks and caffeine tabs help me, they could, too.

PF days,
Sanna
who is open to new ideas in case they could help her
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by seasonalboomer on Sep 27th, 2007, 6:19am

on 09/26/07 at 22:54:35, Ctech wrote:
What other medical problem has so many crazy treatments? redbull, kudzu, shrooms, water X3, etc...


Okay, I'll try.... How bout hangovers? Or, the common cold? Or cancer (type "alternative cancer treatment" into your google slot)?
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Lotus on Sep 27th, 2007, 6:49am

Please go back to basic and remember that during a CH hit the trigeminal nerve is activated. The pain one feels behind the eye is the opthalmic nerve firing away.

The trigeminal nerve is the largest of all cranial nerves and it has 3 branches : opthalmic ( eye ), maxilla ( cheek ) and mandibular ( jaw ), that is why during a hit one can feel pain in all these areas. The pain behind the eye is the most common as the opthalmic nerve is almost always involved. Some feel pain along the cheek and sinuses from the maxilla nerve causing the confusion that one has sinus problems. Other feels pain in their jaws or teeth if the mandibular nerve is affected. Many people got their teeth pulled out mistakenly because of this.

Chewing vigorously may draw more blood to the jaw but then you risk irritating the mandibular branch of the trigeminal nerve, that may give you new pain as well as the risk of biting your tongue. Rocking and chewing vigorously arent safe to be performed simultaneously in my opinion.

You are all welcome to try this method, but please take a minute to consider the mechanisms behind CH and apply some thinking before doing so. Should you give yourself new pain in the jaw or bite your own tongue, dont say you werent warned!  :P


Annette
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Kevin_M on Sep 27th, 2007, 7:15am

on 09/26/07 at 21:59:43, Ctech wrote:
sadly I stopped chewing gum for a while...)




on 09/27/07 at 02:00:51, Ctech wrote:
I'm sure if someone saw me dance and bang my head during an attack they would think that I was performing some sort of voodoo dance.


Would it be at this point you'd be happy to remember the Bubblicious in your shirt pocket?
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Kevin_M on Sep 27th, 2007, 8:39am

on 09/26/07 at 12:20:30, malkidm wrote:
The result: pain peaks at KIP-6 and the hit is over after about 10 minutes.


I see I erred in my previous post.  If you had remembered the Bubblicious earlier, the dance would not have even occurred.

Now you make me feel so selfish and guilty.  Prior to knowledge of preventatives, I had a seriously ramping hit at work but just kept on reading about the Tigers winning in the sports page, box score and all.  Suddenly, the pain just started going away and to my amazement, disappeared.  Sadly, I never chose to follow up on that or kept the sports section by the bed as an abortive like I do oxygen now.
 I should have immediately ran here to the board and shared that when the Tigers win and you read the whole story, a hit will disappear.  Nowadays, there are perhaps two to three daytime hits trying to progress but in time subside, that I attribute to preventive measures though.  
 Stopping a speeding freight train everytime by putting gum on the tracks never seemed to occur to me.
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by malkidm on Sep 27th, 2007, 11:20am
Sorry I caused such a stir.  I'll keep my mouth shut from now on.

Thanks everyone!
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Kevin_M on Sep 27th, 2007, 11:32am
No concerning stir really, more like a bubble.

Feel free to read, question, and comment concerning CH.
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Kevin_M on Sep 27th, 2007, 12:00pm
Malkidm,

No offense intended but after reading your first post on the newbie board:


on 09/25/07 at 15:21:52, malkidm wrote:
After reading posts on this board, I've decided to do something about it.  I'm getting too damned old for this crap and some friends and family members agree.  My first Neuro appt is in November and I hope that we can find a treatment that provides relief.



and then reading a next day post here:


on 09/26/07 at 12:20:30, malkidm wrote:
Chug 10oz of COLD water (a la "water X 3" technique) and chew a piece of gum (Vigorously).  The result: pain peaks at KIP-6 and the hit is over after about 10 minutes.  Go ahead and call me nuts, but it works for me every time.


You must understand the "works for me every time" constrasting greatly with the newbie post left huge room for doubt, expressed in many different ways.

Good luck to you and hope the appointment is beneficial.  In the meantime, there are suggestions and options that have helped some here that may be of use if you need.


Welcome  
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by EstieSA on Sep 27th, 2007, 12:42pm

on 09/26/07 at 18:09:22, Wayne wrote:
That's why I said use the PM for a private joke, no need to hijack the blokes thread.

YHPM ;)
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Wayne on Sep 27th, 2007, 2:36pm

on 09/27/07 at 11:20:03, malkidm wrote:
Sorry I caused such a stir.  I'll keep my mouth shut from now on.

Thanks everyone!


You didn't cause the stir, there are just some a'holes here that think that, because they have a thousand plus posts under the finger, they own the board.  Just remember that if everyone thought inside the box like that we'd all still be taking panado and banging our heads against the wall - alone. Can you imagine the reaction to the first person who suggested Topomax or Shrooms as a method of controlling these things??
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by BlueMeanie on Sep 27th, 2007, 2:42pm

on 09/27/07 at 14:36:24, Wayne wrote:
You didn't cause the stir, there are just some a'holes here that think that, because they have a thousand plus posts under the finger, they own the board.  Just remember that if everyone thought inside the box like that we'd all still be taking panado and banging our heads against the wall - alone. Can you imagine the reaction to the first person who suggested Topomax or Shrooms as a method of controlling these things??


::)  :-X
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by seasonalboomer on Sep 27th, 2007, 2:58pm

on 09/27/07 at 14:36:24, Wayne wrote:
You didn't cause the stir, there are just some a'holes here that think that, because they have a thousand plus posts under the finger, they own the board.  Just remember that if everyone thought inside the box like that we'd all still be taking panado and banging our heads against the wall - alone. Can you imagine the reaction to the first person who suggested Topomax or Shrooms as a method of controlling these things??


yeah, those darn a'holes.  nothing better to do than to declare dominion over a public message board. There greatest goal is to keep the sufferers banging their head against the wall taking Panado (whatever that is). who the f are you? how do you know what each of the people who have offered some degree of healthy skepticism about the bubble gum method have gone through? what they've personally tested? how open their minds are? I'll say it again, if one of your first posts is to tout a new cure, or a miracle, or something resembling that, and you aren't willing to stand by it and test it with others, then you'll experience some critical review of your method. why shouldn't you?

scott
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by vietvet2tours on Sep 27th, 2007, 3:06pm

on 09/27/07 at 14:36:24, Wayne wrote:
You didn't cause the stir, there are just some a'holes here that think that, because they have a thousand plus posts under the finger, they own the board.  Just remember that if everyone thought inside the box like that we'd all still be taking panado and banging our heads against the wall - alone. Can you imagine the reaction to the first person who suggested Topomax or Shrooms as a method of controlling these things??
You need to put your big girl panties back on and get on with your life.
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by chewy on Sep 27th, 2007, 7:36pm

on 09/27/07 at 14:36:24, Wayne wrote:
Can you imagine the reaction to the first person who suggested Topomax or Shrooms as a method of controlling these things??


About the same reaction people are getting from you.

Can you spell P*E*C*K*E*R*H*E*A*D ?
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Lotus on Sep 28th, 2007, 4:41pm

on 09/27/07 at 14:36:24, Wayne wrote:
Can you imagine the reaction to the first person who suggested Topomax or Shrooms as a method of controlling these things??



In the case of Topamax, it was the research team at Janssen - Cilag who recommended its use for migraine and CH. This recommendation is based firstly on scientific knowledge. The trigeminal nerve in both migraines and CH is activated and is the main cause of the severe pain felt. Topamax being an anticonvulsant which can dampen down nerve activity will have a preventative effect for both conditions. This speculation is then further investigated by several clinical trials before the final recommendation is released to the public.

I dont know who was the first person who suggested shroom use, but it would be based on scientific knowledge as well. Its well known that the ergots in ergotamin and DHE are derived from similar mushrooms. It was wellknown what is the effect of the indole ring on the blood vessels.

New ideas and suggestions are always welcome, but they should be at least based on scientific knowledge and then some reliable testings, prior to sale pitch.


Annette
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by pattik on Sep 28th, 2007, 4:54pm

Quote:
author=Lotus link=board=meds;num=1190823631;start=25#46
New ideas and suggestions are always welcome, but they should be at least based on scientific knowledge and then some reliable testings, prior to sale pitch.
Annette



It's a good thing that Flash wasn't listening to your advice, or he would have never shared his personal findings regarding the way that mushrooms eliminated his CH episodes.  Fortunately for some of us, DJ was open minded enough to allow this ground-breaking information to get into the open.  Pinkfloyd and others had the courage and forsight to run with the idea, and now the science is catching up....finally.
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Lotus on Sep 28th, 2007, 5:10pm

So Flash was the first person to suggest shroom use for CH?

Would you be able to share the history so that we would learn how it all came about? Thank you very much.

From what I have read, Flash is very knowledgable about shrooms and its molecular structures as well as its therapeutic effects.

The clusterbusters website has all the scientific information on shrooms and seeds for people to learn from, and that is the way it should be.

If Malkidm could do a bit more research and put forth his idea of how vigorous chewing can help CH then I am all ears, until then I will remain skeptical.

Annette
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by nani on Sep 28th, 2007, 5:54pm

on 09/28/07 at 17:10:15, Lotus wrote:
Would you be able to share the history so that we would learn how it all came about? Thank you very much.


http://www.clusterbusters.com/2000.html

Start at the bottom of the page.
I'm pretty sure Flash didn't know much about the molecular structure in the beginning. He just knew it was working for him.
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Lotus on Sep 28th, 2007, 6:10pm
Thank you very much Nani

I am reading more but this is what Craig ( AKA Flash ) wrote back in 1998



I use small doses of LSD to prevent CH

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Posted by Craig on July 28, 1998 at 10:25:15:

Thank God for this site!

I am 28 years old and I have suffered from CH since the
age of 16. Typically two bouts 6 months apart lasting 1
month, up to 8 headaches a day, 30-60 mins but have
been longer recently.

The GPs and neurologist I have seen haven't been much
help. The best thing I've been prescribed is propanolol
with amitriptylene.

My last cluster was over Christmas, ending in January and
the next one is starting :(

Last time it was so bad I really thought I was going to
burst a vessel. The GP put this down to excessive use
of analgesics (prescribed by her colleague). I can
believe that... moral don't use analgesics!

In October I'm going to do something horrible in an
effort to prevent CH recurring for a while. I'm going
to take a very low dose of LSD type substance obtained
from liberty cap mushrooms.

My GP went ballistic when I told him about this plan
during last cluster. Let me explain.

I'm not a recreational drug user, but I used to be. These
days I run a successful IT business, employing 12 people.

From 1989-1994 I experimented with soft drugs for fun,
among them cannabis and LSD. Cannabis tended to bring
on a headache during a cluster. I didn't take LSD
during a cluster. By 1995 I had out grown recreational
drugs, in fact I'd become a little scared of them!

I had clusters in 1986,87,88,89,90,91,92,95,98. Spot
the gaps! After 2 cluster free years I had a cluster in
1995, that's when I started to look at what was different
in 1993 & 1994. The only thing I could think of was that
I had taken LSD a couple of time those years. By this
time I had a good contract job and knew that a cluster
would jeopardize that. I searched the web for LSD +
migraine. The first article I found was on the discovery
of LSD by a Swiss chemist researching a cure for migraine.

This research was initially focussed on the liberty cap
mushroom. This mushroom had reportedly been use in the
treatment of migraine for many years. Lewis Carrol may
have been among those who tried it. This tenuous link
wasn't much but worth investigating (I wasn't doing
anything that I hadn't already done).

I am scared of LSD. It can be an extremely unpleasant
drug. I was also worried about taking it since I had a
good job etc. and didn't want to go back to recreational
drug taking... however if a cluster started I could
kiss the job bye bye. I decided to use liberty cap
mushrooms opposed to blotter acid, since the mushrooms
are legal.

At this point I didn't know how much LSD each mushroom
contained, but I wanted to start with the equivalant of
a street dose. To cut a long story short this is approx
50 mushrooms. Through trial and error I learned that
the mushrooms could be preserved in honey for at least a
year. I also learned to prepare them by boiling in water
for 5 minutes then digarding the mushrooms and drinking the
water. Subsequent testing has reduced the required quantity
of mushrooms down to a more acceptable 10 - this almost
eliminates the undesirable effects of the drug.

As I've stated I was due a bout in November 1995, so I took
the first dose immediately. I took them again in May
1996 and finally in January 1997. During this period I
remained headache free. I stopped the mushrooms to see
if the headaches would return. They did, but not until
January 1998.

I can't do much about the cluster starting now, but I
intend to pick more mushrooms in October and see if I
can prevent any future clusters. If this is successful
then I will continue to take mushrooms for the foreseeable
future.

I think proper clinical research should be done on the
affects of LSD on our condition. Perhaps they could
combine the drug in a pill that also contains a sedative!

Hang in there!


As I thought, despite already having experiences with LSD, Flash DID do some researches before embarking on it. He used it with caution and recommended further clinical research on its use. I totally agree with him.

So far with our bubblegum friend here, no research of any kind was done as far as I could see.


Annette


Edited to add: Pattik, Flash wouldnt need to listen to my advice, he gave out the same.
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Kevin_M on Sep 28th, 2007, 7:29pm

on 09/28/07 at 18:10:26, Lotus wrote:
So far with our bubblegum friend here, no research of any kind was done as far as I could see.


A catch-phrase and some picture of actors in long white coats was missing.


4 out of 5 dentists recommend Trident for their patients who chew gum.  
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by assaultme on Sep 28th, 2007, 7:39pm
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Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Ctech on Oct 1st, 2007, 8:17pm

on 09/27/07 at 06:19:55, seasonalboomer wrote:
Okay, I'll try.... How bout hangovers? Or, the common cold? Or cancer (type "alternative cancer treatment" into your google slot)?


Wow! Red bull and water X3 wards off cancer :o Man I didn’t know treatments for our condition had so much in common with other ailments...  ::)
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Kevin_M on Oct 1st, 2007, 8:30pm
And I thought I had displayed a poor comprehension of what someone posted recently.  
Title: Re: Bubble Gum & Water
Post by Ctech on Oct 1st, 2007, 8:49pm
I was being sarcastic.

It seems like that is the hip thing to do around here with the newcomers, so I thought that I would just return the favor ;)


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