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(Message started by: DennisM1045 on Sep 24^th, 2007, 4:49pm)

Title: High flow bubbler?
Post by DennisM1045 on Sep 24^th, 2007, 4:49pm

I'm getting some push back from my O2 supplier on a bubbler. They say that the standard bubbler can only handle 4psi before the cover pops off. I flow at 15lpm and they say that the bubbler can't handle the high rate of flow.

My throat is very sore after a bad night last night. My wife is becoming jealous of the O2 tank. She say's I'm spending more time with it than her :o

Anyway, I think they're full of it but wanted some back up from the good folks around here. Thanks in advance...

-Dennis- (who's damn cycle is supposed to be ending!!!! >:()

Title: Re: High flow bubbler?
Post by Ray on Sep 24^th, 2007, 5:56pm

Dennis:

I don't have any experience with this product, but I may have found a lead for you.

http://www.salterlabs.com/humidifiers.htm

It states that this bubble humidifier can be used from 6-15 lpm.

Good luck!

Ray

Title: Re: High flow bubbler?
Post by Jonny on Sep 24^th, 2007, 5:59pm

Thats bull-shit, I run mine at 15.......you just need to cut back on the amount of water in it or you will drown.....LMAO ;;D

Edit to add: Mine is made by Salter labs.....just like Rays link. ;)

Title: Re: High flow bubbler?
Post by DennisM1045 on Sep 24^th, 2007, 6:40pm

Ray, thanks for the link. That looks like it'll work just fine. If they still give me push back tomorrow I'll stuff this link up they're ... well you know ;;D

Jonny, thanks for the tip. How much water do you put in to avoid Davy Jone's Locker? [smiley=laugh.gif]

-Dennis-

Title: Re: High flow bubbler?
Post by Jonny on Sep 24^th, 2007, 7:20pm

There are minumum and max lines on the bottle, go with the minumum. ;)

Title: Re: High flow bubbler?
Post by Sean_C on Sep 24^th, 2007, 10:10pm

I don't have a bubbler because water fills the bag, whats the trick?

Title: Re: High flow bubbler?
Post by cash5542 on Sep 24^th, 2007, 10:25pm

Lisa was dealing with this with her asthma and I have no idea what Jefferson did but she gets water.

What I was going to suggest was one of Pete's wonderful tips. Try ice chips. This is a labor and delivery comfort and Lisa has found it really helpful with the o2 also. It keeps the throat moist.

Charlotte

Title: Re: High flow bubbler?
Post by DennisM1045 on Sep 25^th, 2007, 9:51am

She uses ice chips while sucking O2?

-Dennis-

Title: Re: High flow bubbler?
Post by DennisM1045 on Sep 25^th, 2007, 12:16pm

I finally got a call back from the respiratory therapist at HCS. He says the only protocol available to him for humidifying O2 at 15lpm is with a nasal canula and there is no protocol for humidifying O2 using a non-rebreather at any flow rate. He went on to say that I'm free to whatever I want to do but that I'm likely to end up with water in the tubing and the non-rebreather bag which will restrict the flow rate. This is not what I wanted to hear.

Who else has experience with using bubblers at 15lpm using a non-rebreather. Like usual, I'm left to the advice of my brothers and sisters here on the board.

-Dennis-

Title: Re: High flow bubbler?
Post by Ray on Sep 25^th, 2007, 1:03pm

Dennis:

I don't have the experience that you seek -- however, if it doesn't blow water up your nose (cannula), why would it go into the tubing for a non-rebreather mask?

And who the heck want's 15 lpm blasted up their nose? Do they have to superglue the cannula to the patient? I can picture a cannula blowing around the room all night like a firehose.

With PF wishes,

Ray

Title: Re: High flow bubbler?
Post by cash5542 on Sep 25^th, 2007, 9:35pm

Dennis, Lisa does suck ice chips while inhaling o2. I don't know, ask Pete. It was his suggestion. At the beginning of a hit I get a cup of ice cold water and another one with crushed ice.

Lisa has asthma as well as CH and her methods are a bit different. When she inhales o2 longer than 10 min. it's like running outside on a cold day (very hard on asthmatic lungs) If she needs to use a nebulizer that goes into the mouth. She has a special nose canual that runs at the same time with 15 liters of o2 and the bubbler. In the beginning she said it was like a tidal wave but it's a bit easier. She really doesn't care for it. Her CH doctor couldn't figure this out and sent for a consult from Pulmonology while she was inpatient at Jefferson. I hope this helps some, it really wasn't easy for us either.

Charlotte

Title: Re: High flow bubbler?
Post by mcf69 on Sep 25^th, 2007, 11:34pm

There is a simple solution to keep water out of the mask, a water trap: http://www.southwestmedical.com/Respiratory_Care/Disposable_Oxygen_Products/Water_Trap/3017p0

It would require a second length of supply tubing, you could use a length of your choice, allowing for more "pacing room" between you and your O2 source....

Title: Re: High flow bubbler?
Post by DennisM1045 on Sep 26^th, 2007, 1:23pm

Thanks for the help everyone. I'm working on a plan. I'll let you know how it works out.

-Dennis-