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(Message started by: billyjoe on Jul 31^st, 2007, 9:56am)

Title: Where's the buzz point?
Post by billyjoe on Jul 31^st, 2007, 9:56am

Hi All,
I've about to try the RC seeds and I've read all of your suggestions about how many to take, but I haven't heard at what point you start to trip at. I know there are variants, but I'm looking for a "rule of thumb".

I ask so I know what to expect and where to be. I want to take a larger dose as I need to bust an entrenched cycle. My "safe" spot is in my golf league, believe it or not. These guys are cool, but I need to be functional. If I look a little buzzed, I'll fit right in. :)

It's hard to dose with the kids around.

Thanks,
Bill

Title: Re: Where's the buzz point?
Post by nani on Jul 31^st, 2007, 10:03am

Everybody, and every batch of seeds, is different.
I really don't suggest that you overdo, since it doesn't take a "buzz" dose to kill a cycle. SOmetimes it does take more than one dose, though. I also think it would be quite irresponsible to drive while dosing.
Don't worry about the kids being around, I've never heard of anyone having more than a "2 drink" buzz from seeds.
Please follow the advice on the clusterbuster site, it comes from the experiences of many who've gone before.
pf wishes, nani

Title: Re: Where's the buzz point?
Post by MJ on Jul 31^st, 2007, 11:36am

Bill

You obviously havent read enough about the ololioqui. (Rivea Corymbosa seeds)

If you are expecting a buzz you will be highly disappointed.

ASSUMING you have read the warnings on Clusterbusters.com LSA Faq and mushroom faqs
Unless preexisting mental conditions exist or you are pregnant or you are taking other medications, when you dose with the few seeds we use for busting it will be like taking 2.5 aspirin instead of 2.

To achieve anything resembling a buzz with RC seeds the dose starts to run well above anything I have seen reccomended by clusterbusters.

What to expect? A very light sedated feeling. Not necessarily condusive to socializing. A small improvement in your CH and a good nights rest.
1st time expect some anxiety expecting too much.

A warm cozy feeling can be had above say 50-70 seeds in a "normal person". "Unkown" when other ailments may exist. Tripping (not as you know it) may occur over 100 seeds if soaked in the saliva of a virgin who prepared the seeds according to ancient lore.
1st time stay in a comfort zone and relax. Be prepared for possible adverse effects and have someone aware of possibilities near.

Title: Re: Where's the buzz point?
Post by billyjoe on Jul 31^st, 2007, 12:22pm

Thanks for the info!
For the record, I am not looking to trip, but I was concerned after reading from Clusterbusters:

http://clusterbusters.com/lsa.htm

Here are some snipits that concerned me:

Effects:
LSD-like effects, but less intense, with less visuals. Trip lasts 6-8 hours; tranquil feelings may last additional 12 hours. Sleep is deep and refreshing after trip, however some users may experience a hangover characterized by blurred vision, vertigo, and physical intertia.

"Narcotic Properties.-The seeds of Christmas vine were valued as a sacred hallucinogen by Chinantec, Mazatec, Mixtec, Zapotec, and other groups in Southern Mexico in Pre-Columbian times and are still cultivated and used today as aids in divination and witchcraft. It was administered by grinding about 13 seeds, adding water, filtering, and drinking the filtrate in a quiet, secluded place. Hallucinations follow that last about 3 hours, sometimes with aftereffects. The active ingredients are the ergoline alkaloids, lysergic acid amide, and lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide that are closely related to LSD (Schultes and Hoffmann 1992)."

Title: Re: Where's the buzz point?
Post by billyjoe on Jul 31^st, 2007, 4:08pm

I'd like to add one more point to this thread and that is :

Detox is scary! During a cycle, the effort and pain to get to the point where you can try seeds can be very great. Further, the thought of failure and the wait for another 5 days is very concerning to most, I suspect.

That is why I want the greatest chance of success. From what I've read, and I may be wrong here, most "pros" take 20-30 seeds, and that is what I plan on doing.

Bill