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(Message started by: fiftyamp on Jul 30th, 2007, 2:50am)
Title: LSD
Post by fiftyamp on Jul 30th, 2007, 2:50am
Having trouble finding shrooms, but found LSD.  Has anyone tried this?  If so, were the results similar to the Shrooms?  
Title: Re: LSD
Post by tommyD on Jul 30th, 2007, 6:44am
Yes, LSD is quite effective against clusters. Some say it works better than psilocybin or LSA.

But there are practical problems, and LSD is not usually recommended. There is no natural source of LSD, and the only sources available (unless you are a research scientist) are clandestine labs where quality control might not be the best, and the distributon network is run by organized crime.

Also, it is difficlut to determine the size of a dose of street LSD, especially since the stuff is measured in MICROgrams (millionths of a gram). A recreational dose of LSD is between 50 and 100 micrograms, a medicinal dose would 25 micrograms or less.

Don't know (or want to) where you got the LSD or in what form it's in, but if it is a pill or capsule, be wary, it could contain other substances of unknown composition and effect. (In other words,: Dude, if it aint blotter or window pane, watch out).

A recreational dose would be effective for clusters, but would also provide significant psychoactive effects. (You gonna be trippin', Dude.) Dividing tiny blotter, windowpane or microdot into sub-hallucinogenic doses with any accuracy is near impossible.

As with any psychedelic, but especially one as powerful as LSD, set and setting are important. You must be in a good mental state and comfortable with the idea of hallucinating (set), and you must be in a secure and comfortable environment with trusted friends who are sober and understand the psychedelic experience (setting).

If you have a tendency toward schizophrenia or other serious mental illness, or if such runs in your family, avoid LSD, psilocyboin or any other hallucinogen.

-tommyD
Title: Re: LSD
Post by hikerguy on Jul 31st, 2007, 9:51am
I have used both lsd and shrooms to break a cycle I was unable to get enough shrooms for a couple doses(cobweb mold) but acquired a hit of lsd took lsd first then dosed 5 days later with shrooms it seems to be working so far...but getting a few more the last couple days perhaps I need another dose...good luck...PFDAN ....Chris
Title: Re: LSD
Post by 1234 on Jul 31st, 2007, 10:32am
When you take a medicinal dose of shrooms or LSD, do you have any hallucinations?  Is it safe to work or drive on a medicinal dose?
Title: Re: LSD
Post by hikerguy on Jul 31st, 2007, 11:41am
Like tommy said you never know how many mcg of lsd you are getting and they are made for recreational use so I would batten down the hatches and fasten your saftey belts...so plz dont drive and be with friends.....PFDAN....Chris
Title: Re: LSD
Post by 1234 on Jul 31st, 2007, 12:04pm

on 07/31/07 at 11:41:25, hikerguy wrote:
Like tommy said you never know how many mcg of lsd you are getting and they are made for recreational use so I would batten down the hatches and fasten your saftey belts...so plz dont drive and be with friends.....PFDAN....Chris


And with the mushrooms?
Title: Re: LSD
Post by tommyD on Jul 31st, 2007, 4:12pm
The mushrooms, as natural products, have their own variabilities. There are, after all, dozens of different psilocybin mushroom species and they vary widely in potency.

The most popular shroom is the P. cubensis (with its various strtains), but another popular shroom is the P. azurencens, about twice as potent as cubensis. And mushrooms of the same specdies can vary in potency, depending on when picked and other factors.  And of course people vary in their sensitivity.

The idea is to grow your own shrooms, so you know what species they are, where they come from and that the potency is not going to vary much within the same crop.  And once you grow a good crop, it can be dried and frozen so it keeps significant potency for three or four years.

Start with small doses and work your way up, and once you know the potency and how you react, you can treat several cycles with no surprises.

Other things beiung equal, psilocybin's effects are more intense than LSA, less intense than LSD, but with any of the three, you can go for quite a ride if you take enough. Many folks who take too much LSA just fall asleep, some however have reported intense psychoactive experiences. (Check out Erowid's experience vault at www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_LSA.shtml )

-tommyD
Title: Re: LSD
Post by cbad07 on Jul 31st, 2007, 5:22pm
havent tried lsd but last friday i tried 5 hbwr seeds. Had a bad day saturday. No hits at all sunday monday and tuesday. I believe that it worked
Title: Re: LSD
Post by UN solved on Aug 1st, 2007, 7:04pm

on 07/31/07 at 10:32:04, 1234 wrote:
When you take a medicinal dose of shrooms or LSD, do you have any hallucinations?  Is it safe to work or drive on a medicinal dose?


Yes, you could have hallucinations with either drug and NO! Don't work or drive while on it !! Geez  ::)  LOL .... That's all we need ... more drivers that are 'trippin' !!  :o

Good Luck & PF Wishes

UNsolved  :o
Title: Re: LSD
Post by LeeS on Aug 2nd, 2007, 1:29pm

on 07/31/07 at 17:22:51, cbad07 wrote:
havent tried lsd but last friday i tried 5 hbwr seeds. Had a bad day saturday. No hits at all sunday monday and tuesday. I believe that it worked


8)

It's Thursday - how are you doing - well I hope?

-Lee
Title: Re: LSD
Post by Jonny on Aug 2nd, 2007, 6:29pm
Three newbies asking questions about this and not one of them has ten posts under their belt.....Hmmmmmm!

And two of them have joined this site in the last six days......Hmmmmmm!

It could be just me, but....................
Title: Re: LSD
Post by Maffumatt on Aug 2nd, 2007, 6:48pm
its not just you.
Title: Re: LSD
Post by Rosybabe on Aug 2nd, 2007, 7:37pm
what about O2??? none  of them  give O2 a try?? preventatives??? abortives???
Title: Re: LSD
Post by cbad07 on Aug 2nd, 2007, 7:52pm
I may be new to this but that is no reason to be suspicious. I have suffered with this damn condition for over 11 years. I am 51 years and have tried every med they can come up with. I tried the hbwr seeds and they really helped. I have been PF for five days now. But i will stay of of your precious site if it makes you feel better. Thought you all were here to help.
Title: Re: LSD
Post by Jonny on Aug 2nd, 2007, 8:02pm

on 08/02/07 at 19:52:21, cbad07 wrote:
Thought you all were here to help.


Not only here to help, but to protect this family....if you dont get that theres not much more I can say.

Do what you want its your head!
Title: Re: LSD
Post by cbad07 on Aug 2nd, 2007, 8:09pm
Just looking for people that understand. You know the pain as well a I do. and sometimes its nice to talk to someone that can relate.
Title: Re: LSD
Post by Rosybabe on Aug 2nd, 2007, 8:59pm
we all relate to the pain, we are in the same boat and we hurt as much as you do...

but if you are familiar with the internet public boards such as this one, you must know that there are a lot of impostors and trolls and people that is looking to cause trouble or give wrong information or  promote ilegal activities..
this site is visited also by minors and everyone must be vigilant of what is posted or not here...

we are here to help you and everyone else who finds his way to the site...

we like to get to know the newcomers and jumping so soon into alternative medicine topics  could raise some flags.

Please do not feel attacked if you are a real sufferer, this is a family and we should watch after each other.

Don't you think?   :)
Title: Re: LSD
Post by tommyD on Aug 2nd, 2007, 10:59pm
You old timers and hall-o-famers mind if we have a little conversation with these here newbies?

Got some information to impart.

cbad -

Sounds like things are going well so dfar, but don't be surprised if the hits start creeping back in. Most folks need to repeat the dose a couple, three times or more for long term relief. Some must dose regularly til the cycle ends, chronics may have to keep it up for quite a while. Then again there are reports of folks getting long term relief with just one dose - maybe you'll be that lucky.

I assume you've read the LSA faq at
http://www.clusterbusters.com/faqlsa.htm
Study up on the rest of the site, too.

-tommyD
Title: Re: LSD
Post by soulroach on Aug 3rd, 2007, 8:27am
ya know, I'm still a newbie too, but all that the vets have said rings very true. This site is very special(at least to some, including me), and it must be protected at all costs. The idea of alternate solutions is interesting, but all other alternatives should be exhausted first. Why jump to the most serious, most illeagal, possibly most harmful route without exploring the rest? I just started on this site and my first move was to follow the O2 advice. Smartest move I've ever made!! Anyway, just wanted to say we should all respect this site and those who have been here and helped to make it what it is.(done preachin", sorry)
Title: Re: LSD
Post by pattik on Aug 3rd, 2007, 10:36am

on 08/03/07 at 08:27:05, soulroach wrote:
The idea of alternate solutions is interesting, but all other alternatives should be exhausted first. Why jump to the most serious, most illeagal, possibly most harmful route without exploring the rest?


That comment reads a little like bait to me, but I'll nibble a little.  Maybe the short answer to your question is because it works.

If by "all other alternatives" you mean the seemingly endless list of prescription antipsychotics, triptans, anti-seizure meds, etc., don't neglect to put them into the "serious" and "harmful" categories as well.  I'll agree with you on the legal issue.  That is a huge stumbling block for many.

There is a growing number of people who do not have prescription coverage to cover all the legal meds their doctors give them, and even if they did, they might not choose to mindlessly use them simply because they can.  IMO, the "possible most harmful route" statement just shows me that you are ignorant of the facts, especially concerning the low-level doses envolved for getting results.  Here's a link for you to check out for some interesting reading.   ;)


http://www.clusterbusters.com/

Pat
Title: Re: LSD
Post by cbad07 on Aug 3rd, 2007, 10:37am
Sorry if I came on to strong. Yes, I did the research and it has really helped.I have not even had a Ch since last friday. I have tried every thing form 02 to Frova. Imitrex just makes me sick. I have 2nd degree heart block so I have to be careful about which prescription meds I take.I have had Botox shots several times when i first tried Botox it stopped them for about 17 months. Now it has no effect.  I will let you all know how long this treatment works. These damn headaches cost me my first marriage of 26 years.  Hope I can help even one person.  
Title: Re: LSD
Post by Sandy_C on Aug 3rd, 2007, 11:28am

on 08/02/07 at 18:29:08, Jonny wrote:
Three newbies asking questions about this and not one of them has ten posts under their belt.....Hmmmmmm!

And two of them have joined this site in the last six days......Hmmmmmm!

It could be just me, but....................



No, it's not just you.

I am a believer in the alternative treatment route, but I find it a little disconcerting that within a couple of posts, almost the first  comment is I want to try the seeds, shrooms, now LSD.  Then, their next question is, how do I get some?

I'm seeing many more posts of this sort than in the past.  We don't know who these newbies are.  Are they truly CH sufferers?  Are they looking to score some drugs?  Are they a NARC?  The last thing I want to see happen is that because of indiscriminate, unthinking posts about alternatives, that DJ's site is shut down.

I'm not saying that alternatives should not be mentioned on these boards, but any mention should be done very carefully, and with great forethought.  

So, to all newbies, please, if you are truly a CH sufferer, tell us about yourselves, about your CH history, what meds or treatments you have tried.  Don't just jump in here and within a dozen posts start asking about the alternative treatments.  We are very protective of this site, and of the people on this site.  

You raise red flags, and we have a tendency to circle the wagons.

Sandy
Title: Re: LSD
Post by tommyD on Aug 3rd, 2007, 4:41pm
Please excuse me for being politically incorrect and all, but I don't see any requests for drugs or any other inappropriate statement in this thread.

I don't see anyone in this thread I could claim were anything but clusterheads looking for relief.

I never heard of essay requirements to meet befoire asking about certain kinds of medications. And I never heard of any arbitrary time limits or premedication requirements (You mean I have to try Imitrex before I'm allowed to try shrooms?) on using indole ring hallucinogens.

You see, I don't call shrooms and seeds  "alternatives," I call them The Main Choice, except in three situations:
You are psychotic or have a tendency toward psychosis.
You are pregnant.
You are at the Policeman's Ball.

So if you all don't mind I'd like to resume the thread, beacuase I said something above that was wrong. I said:


Quote:
Dividing tiny blotter, windowpane or microdot into sub-hallucinogenic doses with any accuracy is near impossible.


That might not be true. LSD is soluable in water, and you can divide a few ounces of water into small parts quite easily, much like you can do with shroom tea. That doesn't mean you know what the amount was to begin with, of course.

In fact, some folks have tried very small doses of shroom tea to abort attacks (works well for some) and prevent cycles (results are mixed).

-tommyD
Title: Re: LSD
Post by Jonny on Aug 3rd, 2007, 5:49pm

on 08/03/07 at 16:41:10, tommyD wrote:
You see, I don't call shrooms and seeds  "alternatives," I call them The Main Choice, except in three situations:
You are psychotic or have a tendency toward psychosis.
You are pregnant.
You are at the Policeman's Ball.


How do you know a newbie is not one of these? ;;D

Do they fill out a resume?  ;)
Title: Re: LSD
Post by fiftyamp on Aug 3rd, 2007, 6:22pm
My initial post wasn't a solicitation for buying any illegal substance, but a serious question as to the effects of using LSD, rather than shrooms to treat my Clusters.  I have tried Shrooms, and they have worked.  So after reading the clusterbusters site, and seeing LSD was an option, I was curious as to how it worked out for those who have tried it. Whom else to ask,  but people who have tried it.   I didn't know I had to girl thingyfoot around to ask for SERIOUS ADVICE on treatment for a SERIOUS MALADY.  

Some, on this site, seem to look at hallucinogenic substances with the same stigma as the general public. Even after all the relief achieved by so many using these methods, some  still see fit to throw around words like illegal and alternative.  In my opinion, these words do a great disservice to the pioneers among us who share their experiences to help alleviate the greatest pain known to man. Without open discussions on the effects of hallucinogens to treat CH, we all suffer.  

I was particularly offended by someone's comment about children checking out this site.  Shouldn't children, especially those who suffer from CHs, know that there are other options than the status quo?  

Thanks to Tommy and others for their kind and much appreciated advise.  
Title: Re: LSD
Post by Brewcrew on Aug 3rd, 2007, 6:36pm
Come down off your cross and listen for a second.

It's still a Schedule 2 drug - a felony if caught in possession. Some people, if caught in possession, could lose a whole lot more than others. Families, careers, things they've worked all their lives to have.

Please pardon them if they're just a bit guarded in their shared enthusiasm. LSD may be the biggest miracle to have come along for clusterheads. But it might land a few folks in jail, too.
Title: Re: LSD
Post by Jonny on Aug 3rd, 2007, 7:07pm

on 08/03/07 at 18:36:53, Brewcrew wrote:
It's still a Schedule 2 drug - a felony if caught in possession. Some people, if caught in possession, could lose a whole lot more than others. Families, careers, things they've worked all their lives to have.


And not to mention this fucking site that has been here for nine years helping people could be shut down.

When the thread comes to the point of discussing "microdot and windowpane" shit has to calm the fuck down!

You heard about this on clusterbusters.com,fiftyamp?.......try going there where they dont give a shit to ask your questions. dont tell me you heard about it there and now you come here to ask questions about, thats bull-shit!....ask your questions on that site where the experts are!

Ill tell you what, I will call DJ and ask if he is comfy with this....He started this site and pays the bills.

Edit to add: This is so unbelivable, lets do it for the children.....LOL


on 08/03/07 at 18:22:26, fiftyamp wrote:

I was particularly offended by someone's comment about children checking out this site.  Shouldn't children, especially those who suffer from CHs, know that there are other options than the status quo?    


Which is it, "all children or children with CH"?


on 08/03/07 at 18:22:26, fiftyamp wrote:

 Shouldn't children, especially those who suffer from CHs, 
Title: Re: LSD
Post by BlueMeanie on Aug 3rd, 2007, 7:19pm

on 08/02/07 at 22:59:44, tommyD wrote:
Most folks need to repeat the dose a couple, three times or more for long term relief. Some must dose regularly til the cycle ends, chronics may have to keep it up for quite a while.

That sounds like some terrible advice if you ask me. :(

If you want to help those that want answers on "alternatives", why not just lead them to the "alternative " site so they can discuss it THERE.

Jonny, you're right on.
Title: Re: LSD
Post by JenniferD on Aug 3rd, 2007, 7:22pm

on 08/03/07 at 18:22:26, fiftyamp wrote:


 In my opinion, these words do a great disservice to the pioneers among us who share their experiences to help alleviate the greatest pain known to man.  


After 7 posts, you aren't one of them.
Title: Re: LSD
Post by Jonny on Aug 3rd, 2007, 7:28pm

on 08/03/07 at 18:22:26, fiftyamp wrote:
My initial post wasn't a solicitation for buying any illegal substance 


Hmmmmmmm


on 07/30/07 at 02:50:53, fiftyamp wrote:
Having trouble finding shrooms, 


Take these quotes for what they are worth, looking for shrooms in under ten posts and now hes telling us what is what.....LMMFAO!!!!! ;;D
Title: Re: LSD
Post by rolo65 on Aug 3rd, 2007, 7:29pm

on 08/03/07 at 11:28:08, Sandy_C wrote:
I am a believer in the alternative treatment route, but I find it a little disconcerting that within a couple of posts, almost the first  comment is I want to try the seeds, shrooms, now LSD.  Then, their next question is, how do I get some?
Sandy


If theese people have actually been to the clusterbusters site, they would already know where to find the stuff in question!

Rolo...
Title: Re: LSD
Post by fiftyamp on Aug 3rd, 2007, 7:47pm

on 08/03/07 at 19:28:00, Jonny wrote:
Hmmmmmmm


Take these quotes for what they are worth, looking for shrooms in under ten posts and now hes telling us what is what.....LMMFAO!!!!! ;;D


Why don't you put up the whole quote, filth?  I said 'Having trouble finding shrooms, but found LSD.  Has anyone tried this?  If so, were the results similar to the Shrooms?'.  Where did I ask anyone for anything but advise?  Sorry that I have a life, and don't have the time to make 20k posts.    I can't believe someone who also deals with this condition would be so cold to a fellow sufferer looking for advise on treatment.  You sir, are a complete SCUMBAG.
Title: Re: LSD
Post by Jonny on Aug 3rd, 2007, 7:57pm

on 08/03/07 at 19:47:31, fiftyamp wrote:
 You sir, are a complete SCUMBAG.


And you sir need to go back to clusterbusters.com to have your questions answered, or are you a retard and dont realise that yet?

Hugz and kisses  :-*
Title: Re: LSD
Post by Redd on Aug 3rd, 2007, 8:02pm
Mr. amp,

I've stayed out of this debate for many reasons.  But when you call a dear friend and protector of the folks here a scumbag, you will be ripped and new azzhole.  Jonny has his methods and sometimes he rubs the wrong way, but if you truely knew him you would know what good he's done over the years.

That said, I would NEVER reccommend to any child the use of illegal means for ANYTHING including CH.  

I do not believe that you came looking for a source, but I also think you need to take a step back and drop the attitude.

What consenting adults do to ease their pain is one thing.  What we put on a public message board is a whole other issue.  

We have to be dilligent to protect this place.
Title: Re: LSD
Post by rolo65 on Aug 3rd, 2007, 8:05pm

on 08/03/07 at 19:57:03, Jonny wrote:
Hugz and kisses  :-*


LMMFAO Jonny, love your enimies and if they don’t like it love em to death! [smiley=laugh.gif]

Rolo..

Edit to add; I hope you got rid of the bees my friend!
Title: Re: LSD
Post by tommyD on Aug 3rd, 2007, 9:55pm
I'm sorry, but these topics have been discussed on these boards for several years now. Has there been a change in policy? If not, please stop hijacking threads where valid and important information is being discussed.

If anyone has proof that any of these folks posting in this thread are doing anything wrong, lets see it. If not, stop jumping to conclusions about people you know nothing about. That just ain't American.

Frankly thee are a lot of folks here on this board no one knows anything about and never met. You gonna run every one of them off? My e-mail is hidden. Gonna run me off?

There are often discussions on this board, thinly veiled or outright blatant, arranging the distribution of prescription drugs by other than doctors and registered pharmacists. You know you can go to jail for that?

Are the board cops going to crack down on of those discussions? Gonna hijack any of those threads?

Anyone have anthing to say about effective treatments? If not, slouch your butts back to cracking jokes on the general board.

And don't talk to me about defending the board. All I see here is disruption.

One pissed off,

-tommyD
Title: Re: LSD
Post by Jonny on Aug 3rd, 2007, 10:11pm

on 08/03/07 at 21:55:55, tommyD wrote:
If anyone has proof that any of these folks posting in this thread are doing anything wrong, lets see it. If not, stop jumping to conclusions about people you know nothing about.


You got proof otherwise, Tommy?

Lets see it!

Keep your boys over at clusterbusters........we dont need the heat!

Nothing has changed except for posters with five posts wanting to know about shrooms............keep them on your site!

Thats real easy.

Heres a real great quote, Tommy!


on 08/03/07 at 18:22:26, fiftyamp wrote:

I was particularly offended by someone's comment about children checking out this site.  Shouldn't children, especially those who suffer from CHs, know that there are other options than the status quo?  

Thanks to Tommy and others for their kind and much appreciated advise.  


I hope you feel good with this guy that only has nine posts here..... what a fucking joke!
Title: Re: LSD
Post by tommyD on Aug 3rd, 2007, 10:20pm
I said:

Quote:
Most folks need to repeat the dose a couple, three times or more for long term relief. Some must dose regularly til the cycle ends, chronics may have to keep it up for quite a while.


BlueMeanie said:

Quote:
That sounds like some terrible advice if you ask me.  


Well, that is the reality: it usually takes more than one dose to supress a cycle.
Why is what I said bad advice? Are you saying it's not true?

For most prescription preventives it takes dozens even of doses, sometimes with serious side effects, to be effective. Psilocybin, LSA and LSD generally require many fewer doses, and if the dosage is done carefully, side effects are minimal.

Oh, and by the way, it is not inaccurate to say that sumatriptan, ergotamine and sansert are all indole ring hallucinogens. Take enough of any of them and you might hallucinate. Of course, you might also die taking that much.

(edited for spelling error)
Title: Re: LSD
Post by thebbz on Aug 3rd, 2007, 10:33pm
Ok here I go ;;D. There is a proper venue for this information and when it becomes quite involved as it has, wouldn't it be quicker and better to go to PM or a chat for the details. It is true that the information he or she or whomever is available at clusterbusters. So why the seemingly leading questions.
Furthermore, fifty amp is being rude by busting in and putting someone so caring as to help on the spot by not doing there homework and using the proper discretion such as presenting their history and having at least a thorough backgound to present to recieve the proper advice.
Lighten up were all in the same boat.
Alternatives work and are the first choice for some and the last choice for others. Us infighting over some newbie that has no discretion or manners is counterproductive for all.
LYG's  :D
thebb
go to school lsd boy. then come back
click post dummy...oh thats me.
Title: Re: LSD
Post by Jonny on Aug 3rd, 2007, 10:33pm
Tommy....................I have known you for many years, but can you tell me why all these people learn about busting from clusterbusters.com and come to this site to ask questions about it?

Why do you inform people and not answer their questions?

Why do they come here for answers?

Why?
Title: Re: LSD
Post by tommyD on Aug 3rd, 2007, 10:43pm
C'mon, Jonny. The one who makes the accusations must supply the proof.
"Innocent 'til proven guilty" is the standard in non-dictatorships.


Quote:
I was particularly offended by someone's comment about children checking out this site.  Shouldn't children, especially those who suffer from CHs, know that there are other options than the status quo?  


Agreed, that was a pretty dumb statement - children are not generally trusted to make decisions on medical treatments. But a better response to this would be this important warning:

Children should never be given indole hallucinogens. Too much is unknown about the effects of hallucinogens on the developing brain, and what little is known is not encouraging. Anecdotal evidence is that children could suffer psychological and perhaps even neurological damage  from indole hallucinogens. The developing brain is very different, chemically and structurally, from the mature brain. This is a risk that simply must not be taken.

And I'm sorry, but I'm not going to stop talking facts, or responding to ignorance, about what I feel is the most effective treatment there is, wherever there are clusterheads who need to hear it.

Have me banned if you must.

-tommyD
Title: Re: LSD
Post by Jonny on Aug 3rd, 2007, 11:22pm

on 08/03/07 at 22:43:01, tommyD wrote:
Have me banned if you must.


If I could actually do that I wouldnt, just answer their questions over there.

You offer all the info they need, they dont need to be coming here saying they cant find shrooms.....sorry bro, but this shit is getting fucked up when folks with six posts start looking for drugs on this site!
Title: Re: LSD
Post by Maffumatt on Aug 3rd, 2007, 11:57pm
First link to your left at the top.

http://www.clusterheadaches.com/newvisitors.html

Are you looking to sell (or buy) drugs?
Looking for a source to buy (or sell) illegal (or otherwise) drugs? Cool. Here's what you do. Move your mouse up to the BACK button of your browser, click on it and go back where you came from. Clusterheads would give anything NOT to have to take meds. We have absolutely no interest in abetting some junkie's self-abuse. (This statement may sound harsh, but believe it or not, we have had people trying to deal drugs on the message board)


That is why people here are careful, make of it what you will.
Title: Re: LSD
Post by rolo65 on Aug 4th, 2007, 12:05am

on 08/03/07 at 23:57:30, Maffumatt wrote:
Clusterheads would give anything NOT to have to take meds...That is why people here are careful, make of it what you will.


Amen brother!

Rolo..
Title: Re: LSD
Post by BlueMeanie on Aug 4th, 2007, 12:07am
Tommy,

There is a BIG difference between taking several doses of approved drugs dispensed by medical doctors, then for someone to do what YOU recommend by doing several doses of hallucinogenic drugs to stop CH's.

If you'd like, I will PM you a list, but I'm sure you already know there are SEVERAL dangers involved in what you're recommending. All I am saying, is like jonny, send them to clusterbusters for their answers.
Title: Re: LSD
Post by tommyD on Aug 4th, 2007, 12:46am
You're right, there is a big difference. The indole ring hallucinogens are more likely to be effective.

And yes, there are dangers. I've referred to them above. But they are still safer than some prescription treatments for CH.

With either, information reduces the danger.

Perhaps we should stop talking about Imitrex, and just link everybody to the Glaxo site.
Title: Re: LSD
Post by MR_FLOOR on Aug 4th, 2007, 12:55am
Hey,


          Does anybody have any angel dust or meth.Ok that was a bad joke just trying to break the tension.Can't we all just get along   ;;D




Dave
Title: Re: LSD
Post by Lenny on Aug 4th, 2007, 12:58am
You can get alot of good imf.on the link below....everything you need to know will be right there for you...

www.clusterbusters.com
Title: Re: LSD
Post by rolo65 on Aug 4th, 2007, 1:04am

on 08/04/07 at 00:55:18, MR_FLOOR wrote:
Does anybody have any angle (angel) dust or meth.Ok that was a bad joke just trying to break the tension.Can't we all just get along   ;;DDave


The PCP might help settle you down (if it works for a horse of course), but the meth will put you over the edge for sure. ;;D

Got to have a laugh now and then, thanks Dave!

Roland..
Title: Re: LSD
Post by Lenny on Aug 4th, 2007, 1:12am

on 08/04/07 at 00:46:39, tommyD wrote:


Perhaps we should stop talking about Imitrex, and just link everybody to the Glaxo site.


Great idea ;)


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