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(Message started by: JRHD66 on Mar 28^th, 2007, 11:28am)

Title: Mushroom Advice
Post by JRHD66 on Mar 28^th, 2007, 11:28am

Hi All,
So my usual predinisone mega dose (80 mg for the last week, anyone?) is not really doing anything to break my cycle this time around... scary considering it has been the only thing in the past to have any effect at all.

Have decided, having exhausted most other remedies in the past, to try the shrooms...
Does anyone know if there is a danger in taking them if I'm still on the predinisone?

Any success stories you can share to give me the balls to actually take the damn things?

Title: Re: Mushroom Advice
Post by karma on Mar 28^th, 2007, 12:01pm

http://www.clusterbusters.com/faqlsa.htm
This site will answer most of your questions. consider the LSA seeds as well.
Pred + Clusterbusters is normally a recipe for failure. In order to give yourself the best chance of success it will be necessary to be off the prednisone for up to five days.

Title: Re: Mushroom Advice
Post by vig on Mar 28^th, 2007, 8:43pm

the most relief with the least amount of side effects.....

Title: Re: Mushroom Advice
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Mar 28^th, 2007, 11:35pm

I am not a doc, but do be extremely careful with the pred. Make sure to follow your doc's instructions when tapering off it.

Maybe Bob could chime in, but i think it is normally best to not have other drugs in your system if possible. Some people are not able to stop taking their daily meds to detoxify their body though. Thats ok too, but sometimes just not as effective.

PF wishes
B$

Edited to add success story. The damn things work amazingly well for me. The first few days after taking them is increased activity for me normally, but then it is a steep decrease. For me, i have not been able to 'bust' it completely, but i get a 50% decrease in severity and 75% decrease in # of hits per day.

To me, that is a HUGE success

Title: Re: Mushroom Advice
Post by nani on Mar 28^th, 2007, 11:41pm

From the mushroom FAQ at www.clusterbusters.com:

4.1.2 Possible inhibitors

There are some medications which may interfere with psilocybin (and LSD):

anti-convulsants or anti-epileptic medications such as Neurontin(gabapentin) and Topamax(topiramate). The exact mechanism by which topiramate works, for example, is still unknown, so it is impossible to even guess whether or not it will interfere with psilocybin.
medications which are either synthetic analogs of certain hormones or which regulate hormone production: Prednisone and Synthroid, for example. There is no direct evidence to suggest that these drugs will interact with psilocybin, but hormones have a very complex and inter-related effect on numerous body systems. We have seen a few reports suggesting that thyroid levels play a part in cluster headaches
tranquilizers and mood-altering medications such as Xanax, Valium, Prozac and Wellbutrin.
Ondansetron (Zofran) and Compazine (prochlorperazine)
* Imitrex (and associated triptans):
Based upon many reports, triptans are one of the most likely medications to block the clusterbusting effects of psychedelics. In our opinion, they should be avoided both before, during and after, beginning psychedelic treatments for clusters.
sumatriptan (Imitrex®, Imigran®) injections
sumatriptan (Imitrex®, Imigran®) tablets
zolmitriptan (Zomig®) tablets
sumatriptan (Imitrex®, Imigran®) nasal spray
naratriptan (Amerge®, Naramig®) tablets
rizatriptan (Maxalt®) tablets and rizatriptan orally dissolvable (Maxalt-MLT®) tablets
zolmitriptan orally dissolvable (Zomig-ZMT®) tablets
almotriptan (Axert®) tablets
frovatriptan (Frova®) tablets
eletriptan (Relpax®) tablets

Title: Re: Mushroom Advice
Post by JRHD66 on Mar 28^th, 2007, 11:57pm

Thanks for the advice everyone... The crucial decision of course is now whether to taper off my predinisone when the high dose is barely holding back the flood gates and risk a few ugly days before the shrooms (especially since my ins. co just told me I'm now allowed 4 imitrex refills per 63 days). Dicey....

Thanks as well for concern re: predinisone dosing. My Doctor prety much writes me a script for 150 oils (10mg each) and lets me dose myself within reason - he knows that I'll most likely have better success than him, and is ok as long as I let him know what dose I'm on and when I start my taper. I check in with my brother, also a doctor, before changing my dose, and he's given me some good guidance - he's also a bit more invested in my phone calls and general wellbeing than my relatively busy and clueless GP.
PFD to all, and Thanks again for your advice/encouragement.
D

Title: .Re: Mushroom Advice
Post by Superpain on Mar 29^th, 2007, 1:01am

That's alot of pred. you really should do a structured taper.
I'm in the exact same situation.
80mg 4 days
60 /4 days
40 /4
and 20/ 4
The pred isn't as hard to skip as imitrex when detoxing, and it nullifies the efficacy of the dose

Balls? It's FUN!!!

Title: Re: Mushroom Advice
Post by Pinkfloyd on Mar 29^th, 2007, 10:18am

Good advice given,,,thanks everyone.

Yes, the pred taper is extremely important and I'm glad to hear you're doing so under doctor(s) guidance.

As was noted in another thread, it's very important for EVERYONE to discuss their medications with their doctors before detoxing, even if you don't want to explain "why."

From what we've learned from past experience(s) and studying the science of this, prednisone will almost certainly block any good that the psychedelics would do. I rate it as equal to the triptans in blocking actions.

Thanks again to everyone for helping out with good information on this and other threads, on this subject. Very much appreciated.

Bobw

Title: Re: Mushroom Advice
Post by bejeeber on Apr 1^st, 2007, 12:05am

on 03/28/07 at 23:57:26, JRHD66 wrote:

.... I'm now allowed 4 imitrex refills per 63 days). Dicey....

Hey if you haven't tried the the 1/2 imitrex dose technique detailed in the "Imitrex Tip" link over there on the left, I 'd recommend checking into it. Could really stretch those doses out for you and you might be surprised at the effectiveness of the half doses (I was skeptical, but it worked for me 95% or so of the time).