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(Message started by: LeeS on Jan 16^th, 2007, 11:52am)

Title: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by LeeS on Jan 16^th, 2007, 11:52am

Someone should invent a proper orgasmatron! I wonder if such a device would be covered on medical insurance? :-/ ;;D

http://jnnp.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/77/11/1296

Quote:

Now dear, I have a headache! Immediate improvement of cluster headaches after sexual activity

M Gotkine, I Steiner and I Biran
Department of Neurology, Hadassah University Hospital and the Hebrew University-Hadassah Medical School, Jerusalem, Israel

Abstract: The first 150 words of the full text of this article appear below.

The precise pathogenesis of cluster headaches is unknown, but a hypothalamic generator has been postulated as the cause of the disorder.1 In two patients with typical cluster headaches, sexual activity alleviated the episodes. This association may shed some light on the pathogenesis and treatment of this incapacitating disorder.

Patient 1: A 61-year-old, previously healthy man presented with excruciating, left-sided orbital headaches appearing in bouts that lasted for 10 weeks. The pain occurred nightly at around 22:00 h, and was associated with ipsilateral ptosis, lacrimation and rhinorrhoea. Neurological examination and brain imaging were normal and he was diagnosed with cluster headaches, according to International Headache Society (IHS) criteria.2 The headaches always lasted for 90–150 min, except for instances when the patient had sexual intercourse, which at the point of orgasm resulted in instant dramatic improvement in the pain, with complete relief always being achieved within several minutes …

And, a reply …

http://jnnp.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/77/11/1296#1167

Quote:

Dear Editor,

I read the case reports of Gotkine et al with great interest and definitely agree with their suggestion that an increase in sympathetic activity may reverse the pain in cluster headache. We saw already in the late 1960´s that spontaneous attacks of cluster headache are not seldom preceded by a shift of the vegetative tone in a parasympathetic direction. Furthermore, the attacks are fairly often associated with symptoms indicative of increased parasympathetic activity, e.g. bradycardia. Two of our patients noticed that heavy physical exercise had a positive effect on spontaneous headache attacks. We therefore suggested that an increased tone of the sympathetic nervous system might have a favourable influence on the headache. We investigated the effect on the pain of a rise in blood pressure induced by constant prolonged physical exercise on a cycle ergometer or intravenous infusion of noradrenaline in 11 male cluster headache sufferers. Both procedures started 15 min after administration of nitroglycerin and lasted for 60 min. It was found that both maximal intensity and duration of provoked headache attacks were significantly reduced compared with control attacks observed following nitroglycerin administration. In one patient noradrenaline was successfully induced during a spontaneous attack. Our results are in some way similar to the most interesting observations by Gotkine et al. The activity of the sympathetic nervous system relative to attacks of cluster headache definitely deserves further studies.

Karl E. Ekbom,
former consultant
Dept Neurology, Karolinska University Hospital, Huddinge, 141 86 Stockholm, Sweden

-Lee

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by floridian on Jan 16^th, 2007, 12:48pm

A proper Orgasmatron (®) that one can sleep in would be nice for the episodics plagued by night time hits. Get one of those Seen-On-TV doodads so all that is needed is to clap the hands, it turns right on.

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by Pinkfloyd on Jan 16^th, 2007, 1:19pm

I think I see a new study protocol for Clusterbusters in the works ;-)

I'm just glad the male/female ratio is closing. Maybe we can pair up cluster-mates for synchronized busting.

Anyone want to sign up for a double-blind(folded) study? LOL

Bobw

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by LeeS on Jan 16^th, 2007, 1:34pm

on 01/16/07 at 13:19:31, Pinkfloyd wrote:

Anyone want to sign up for a double-blind(folded) study?

Knowing me, I'd get the placebo :P

-Lee

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by Pinkfloyd on Jan 16^th, 2007, 1:43pm

on 01/16/07 at 13:34:41, LeeS wrote:

Knowing me, I'd get the placebo :P

-Lee

Is that better or worse, than being the placebo?

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by Kevin_M on Jan 16^th, 2007, 1:59pm

;;D

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by LeeS on Jan 16^th, 2007, 2:00pm

on 01/16/07 at 13:43:15, Pinkfloyd wrote:

Is that better or worse, than being the placebo?

I suppose it depends upon who the placebo is :-/

In the absence of Limey - where's W these days? :-X

-Lee

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by Kevin_M on Jan 16^th, 2007, 2:07pm

Are those torches off in the distance I see approaching, Lee?

;)

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by pubgirl on Jan 16^th, 2007, 2:13pm

Bob and Kev

I wouldn't even touch Lee with yours, much less any part of my own.

Hamsters are not attractive animals unless you are Richard Gere

W

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by tanner on Jan 16^th, 2007, 3:12pm

on 01/16/07 at 14:07:58, Kevin_M wrote:

Are those torches off in the distance I see approaching, Lee?

;)

Yep they were torches ;;D seem to have missed Lee and burned Bobw ;)......tim

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by Pinkfloyd on Jan 16^th, 2007, 3:45pm

on 01/16/07 at 14:13:40, pubgirl wrote:

I wouldn't even touch Lee with yours,
W

I do appreciate that..thank you!

on 01/16/07 at 14:13:40, pubgirl wrote:

Hamsters are not attractive animals unless you are Richard Gere
W

OK, then you might as well just hold onto it while we wait for Richard to get here? :-*

Bobw
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b392/psiloscribe/onfire.gif

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by UN solved on Jan 16^th, 2007, 4:43pm

Bob could probably get quite a few sponsors for such a trial ! [smiley=laugh.gif]

UNsolved

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by heprat on Jan 16^th, 2007, 4:47pm

I'm curious how many have already forwarded the link to thier significant other. [smiley=winkkiss.gif]

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by Pinkfloyd on Jan 16^th, 2007, 6:53pm

on 01/16/07 at 16:47:57, heprat wrote:

I'm curious how many have already forwarded the link to thier significant other. [smiley=winkkiss.gif]

First I have to figure out a way to convince her that the mushrooms aren't working anymore. :-/

Bobw

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by miker6565 on Jan 16^th, 2007, 7:07pm

I can see me tellin my wife ,,honey lets go the kips arising. :o
Hmmm...energy drink or sex
darn now i got to decide.....
I had such high hopes for energy drinks....
:)
Thanks for sharing I needed the smile :)
Peace always, mike

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by pubgirl on Jan 16^th, 2007, 9:24pm

on 01/16/07 at 18:53:56, Pinkfloyd wrote:

First I have to figure out a way to convince her that the mushrooms aren't working anymore. :-/

Bobw

Easy one Bob.
I can answer this one!

Tell her that recent empirical evidence proves that certain hormones enhance the effect of the mushroom therapy and negate the impact of the deformed hypothalamus.

These hormones are hugely beneficial to CH sufferers, in fact, we would all become "hyperchronic" (new IHS CH definition recently announced) without them.
They are oxytocin, testosterone, prolactin and endorphins.

The ONLY cure is orgasm with cuddling (if there is no cuddling the endorphins don't get released so wanking is not a substitute)

Told you! Easy!

W

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by Redd715 on Jan 16^th, 2007, 9:35pm

Trouble with this whole hypothosis is that one has a SO.

What about us hopless singles? Specially when the Boyfriend in a box has lost it's luster?

Oh whoa are us who are perpetually single...lol.

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by pubgirl on Jan 16^th, 2007, 9:53pm

on 01/16/07 at 21:35:00, Redd715 wrote:

Trouble with this whole hypothosis is that one has a SO.

What about us hopless singles? Specially when the Boyfriend in a box has lost it's luster?

Oh whoa are us who are perpetually single...lol.

Don't tell Bob's wife Redd but I suspect the solo version is just as good ;) and if the boyfriend in a box is no good- upgrade him!

W

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by AussieBrian on Jan 16^th, 2007, 10:13pm

I well remember this coming up once before. Regrettably it turned out to be a false alarm but not before I'd offered my services (free of charge, thank you) to assist our ladies in learning if orgasms are the one true cure.

Purely in the interests of science, you understand.

Given these days of diplomacy, democracy and political correctness (an oxymoron in itself) we'd probably all have our names thrown simply into a hat and I'd end up with Jonny!

Ah, well. We could always auction pick-of-the-litter on the OUCH site.

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by Pinkfloyd on Jan 17^th, 2007, 12:12am

on 01/16/07 at 21:24:19, pubgirl wrote:

She says ok, but I still have to stick to my twice-a-year maintenance doses. :(

Bobw

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by pubgirl on Jan 17^th, 2007, 2:25am

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by tanner on Jan 17^th, 2007, 2:36am

Pretty sure at this point in time I could be a Placebo :-[

Luv Ya Wendy ;).......tim

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by pubgirl on Jan 17^th, 2007, 5:31am

:-*Tim

But a thought occurs.
Helen and I on the same study?

Helen and I even in the same room at the same time?

NONE of you would survive it.

;;D

W

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by LeeS on Jan 17^th, 2007, 6:24am

I have and did! ;;D

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by pubgirl on Jan 17^th, 2007, 6:52am

Technically a fucking lie "Lee" ;;D

You survived me and Cathy in the same room, but never me and Helen unless you count being amongst hundreds at the OUCH UK conference in London where the three of us happened to be but you were avoiding my husband and I was avoiding you ;;D ;;D ;)

No-one could handle Helen and I together in close proximity. And just imagine, it could be feasible to have you, me and Cathy, the three stroppy Brit birds together in one room but you would DEFINITELY be a dead hamster then.

W

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by LeeS on Jan 17^th, 2007, 9:10am

Bring 'em on 8)

Full of wind these British birds (it's nani and Margi who scare me :o)

;;D

-Lee

P.S. I just phoned Helen and managed to sell her some double glazing [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by chopmyheadoff on Jan 17^th, 2007, 9:22am

on 01/16/07 at 12:48:22, floridian wrote:

Get one of those Seen-On-TV doodads so all that is needed is to clap the hands, it turns right on.

LOL Literally

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by brainer on Mar 17^th, 2007, 2:35pm

OMG it worked!

Has anyone tried it without success (I mean after reaching the orgasm stage!)

;;D

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by Rosybabe on Mar 17^th, 2007, 2:58pm

or DH is not doing it right or It is a total lie because it just made it worst!...actually if I "get lucky" I get CH during cycle..we need to start a survey on this.. ;)

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by Rosybabe on Mar 17^th, 2007, 3:06pm

by the way Brainer..and every one aboard...

HAPPY ST. PATTY"S DAY!!!!!

[smiley=laugh.gif]

may your CH'S be less
and your PFND be more
and nothing but happiness
comes through your door.

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by brainer on Mar 17^th, 2007, 5:22pm

Health tip:-

If you enjoy a cigarette after sex....make sure the 02 is off!

;)

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by ClusterChuck on Mar 17^th, 2007, 11:52pm

Figgers!!!! I am the odd one .. an orgasm is a trigger for me ....

BUT, for scientific research purposes, only, I keep trying, just to see if it is still so ...

Boy, my right hand is getting tired of all this research!! And my left refuses to co-operate ...

Ah, the trials and tribulations of research ...

Chuck

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by brainer on Mar 19^th, 2007, 2:53pm

Have you tried indomethacin before sex.....if that's not a personal question!

It can stops the coital trigger...maybe someone could make an indomethacin / viagra combination pill.

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by Gator on Mar 20^th, 2007, 10:45pm

Oh, you really do NOT want to take Viagra if you have ch. Think about it, what happens when an attack hits - blood vessels swell. What does viagra do - causes blood vessels to swell. I'm thinking that wouldn't be conducive to a good time.

Title: Re: Now dear, I have a headache!
Post by ClusterChuck on Mar 20^th, 2007, 11:05pm

on 03/20/07 at 22:45:17, Gator wrote:

From personal experience, I can vouch for this!

BUT ....

After that HORRENDOUS hit is over .. the positive aspects of viagra are still there ... So, depending on how bad you need the viagra ... Take it, and the hit, and then do what you wanted to do first of all ... But for some reason, your partner may NOT like that hit as part of the foreplay ...

Chuck