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(Message started by: drap on Nov 28th, 2006, 9:32pm)
Title: Vicodin
Post by drap on Nov 28th, 2006, 9:32pm
Can anybody give me any good information about Vicodin 7.5 750 tbmck  any help at all for long term or is it just for short term thanks drap it seems like i've tried everything. drap
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by brewcrew on Nov 28th, 2006, 9:56pm
I have had success with ZERO narcotics in fighting CH.

Now back pain and post surgical pain is another matter entirely....
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by taraann on Nov 28th, 2006, 10:02pm
I've had some off and on (non dependable) success with STRONG narcs but vics are like asprin to my ch
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by JDH on Nov 28th, 2006, 11:16pm
Vicodin works pretty good for my back pain but it won't do diddley for ch's.

Jim
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by Guiseppi on Nov 28th, 2006, 11:26pm
Vicodain will take the sharp edge off of my CH but not much help in the long run. Strong chance of tolerance and addiction over the long run so it's a long term course I'd shy away from.

Guiseppi
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by FramCire on Nov 29th, 2006, 12:51am
Vicodin did help the jaw pain I had with my HAs, not to relieve it completely but to lessen it.  

For the most part, narcs aren't all that effective but some have limited success.  You do have to worry about rebounds if you take it too regularly or maybe addiction (watch House, awesome show).

Anyway, vicodin is great for my post surgical pain (gone now).
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by kcopelin on Nov 29th, 2006, 12:36pm
Oy Vey! Don't get me started. ::)  Vicodin has its place-for instance-sometimes its the only thing to knock down a long shadow.  Does take the edge off the hits, and can give a bit better quality of life.  HOWEVER, the detox from it totally sucks, and it, as well as other narcs, should be the last line of defense-right before surgery and after everything else.
IMHO.
PFDAN y'all
kathy
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by johnd7 on Nov 29th, 2006, 2:05pm
When not in a cycle a little vicodin is good... ;)  But I don't think that's what you were asking.
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by marlinsfan on Nov 29th, 2006, 4:57pm
Vicodin triggered my 2005 cycle.
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by chopmyheadoff on Nov 30th, 2006, 4:12am

on 11/29/06 at 16:57:45, marlinsfan wrote:
Vicodin triggered my 2005 cycle.



i dont understand it when episodics say things like this . .
how do you know your cycle wasnt about to start anyway ???  [smiley=huh.gif] [smiley=huh.gif]
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by drap on Nov 30th, 2006, 7:08am
I wasn't saying this was a  cure I just needed some relief my family doctor put me in the hospial  because she thought I was going to have another heart attack from the stress of the CH .  I had one back in 1999 when I had my first CH  that fall. The doctor put me on some kind of IV and added some shots never did find out what it was but I was crawling out of my skin all day and that nite but it worked and he gave me the px for vicodin.  I was haveing up to 10 15 attacks a day and nite. thanks for your support and GOD  BLESS DRAP
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by Bob P on Nov 30th, 2006, 7:31am
Vicodan 10.0 (they call it something other than Vicodan) caused the worst hit of my last cycle.

I don't normally take pain killers but I felt an attack coming on and thought I would try taking one and huffing some O2.  The O2 dampped the attack and the Vic kicked in.  Then the attack came back and by the time I realized it was ther, I was screwed big time.  Spent the next hour on my hands & knees, sweat pouring off my entire body.  I was sure my heart would fail.

Never, never again will I take pain killers for CH!

I'll save them for fun use later.
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by drap on Nov 30th, 2006, 8:07am
DAMN  DRAP SORRY
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by drap on Nov 30th, 2006, 8:14am
Desperate as hell in Westland , Michigan.   Drap  God Bless
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by marlinsfan on Nov 30th, 2006, 11:45am

on 11/30/06 at 04:12:24, chopmyheadoff wrote:
i dont understand it when episodics say things like this . .
how do you know your cycle wasnt about to start anyway ???  [smiley=huh.gif] [smiley=huh.gif]


My cycles always start up slowly, with shadows first then grows to full blown attacks over a few days. In 2005 I had back surgery, the doc put me on vicadin for 3 days. On the 4th day (1st without the vicodin), I had 3 full blown hits.

You're right that I can't be 100% sure it was the Vicodin, but I am 99.9% sure it was.
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by johnd7 on Nov 30th, 2006, 2:15pm
That very well may be and I cannot argue with what you believe although I seem to read much more about people identifying triggers for headaches WITHIN a cycle and not so much about triggers for the cycle themselves.  Personally I have all kinds of quirks and beliefs about my headaches but they tend to change, minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day and week by week during a cycle.  In the end I recognize and admit that most of what I believe about them is really probably more superstition than anything.  Because if I could pin point what starts a cycle and then what starts the headaches within a cycle I would not have this problem anymore.
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by E-Double on Nov 30th, 2006, 9:48pm

on 11/30/06 at 14:15:02, johnd7 wrote:
That very well may be and I cannot argue with what you believe although I seem to read much more about people identifying triggers for headaches WITHIN a cycle and not so much about triggers for the cycle themselves.  Personally I have all kinds of quirks and beliefs about my headaches but they tend to change, minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day and week by week during a cycle.  In the end I recognize and admit that most of what I believe about them is really probably more superstition than anything.  Because if I could pin point what starts a cycle and then what starts the headaches within a cycle I would not have this problem anymore.


This is why we all shoul dkeep some sort of chart.
Data shows what is fact vs  superstition.

Narcs didn't do jack 4 me.
In fact 4 maybe 5 (don't remember) shots of dilaudid just made me stoned and unable to pace and jump the way I needed to.
I had begged for them to Knock me out and all it did was make me sick 4 a week
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by thebbz on Nov 30th, 2006, 9:57pm

Quote:
You're right that I can't be 100% sure it was the Vicodin, but I am 99.9% sure it was.
[smiley=laugh.gif]
"I think therefore I am"
jb
Vicodin: good for pain...not ch....very addictive.
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by Tata on Dec 1st, 2006, 1:48pm
Personally, I don't like vicodin very much--it makes me dopey and anxious at the same time. Like everyone has already said, it's very addicting. One of my sisters has been on it for years for back/shoulder/neck problems, and I don't see how her quack Dr justifies keeping her on it for so long. You should see the HUGE bottles of it that she has. As with all meds, be careful. I might have missed any earlier posts mentioning it, but have you tried Oxygen as an abortive? Sorry to hear you're suffering so, and I'm not trying to undermine your faith in your Dr, but I think I'd get a second opinion re the use of vicodin as a preventitive for a heart attack brought on by stress. Best wishes, Tata
PS Try Oxygen
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by Karla on Dec 2nd, 2006, 10:40pm
I used oxycodone with no tylanol.  Used it off and on for a couple of years to take the edge of the kip 10s it would make them kip 7-9's at least I didn't blow my brains out.  It is not for a permanant solution.  You should be trying some other sort of therapy as well.  It is last line of defense and only to be used after avery thing has failed or to give you a break here and there.

Good luck Dape.
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by georgej on Dec 2nd, 2006, 11:48pm

on 11/30/06 at 04:12:24, chopmyheadoff wrote:
i dont understand it when episodics say things like this . .
how do you know your cycle wasnt about to start anyway ???  [smiley=huh.gif] [smiley=huh.gif]


It's a good question.  

Well, we're as individual as chronics, really.  There are some here who have strong opinions or experiences that point them toward something that may have started a cycle.  For them, it may very well be that some chemical compound or incident or change precipitated a cycle.  

As for myself-- no.  I can't say I've ever identified anything that has started a cycle.  They come when it's time.  Nothing I do or don't do makes any difference.  It's as inevitable as tides, or sunrise, or tax reckoning day.  There are warnings--they don't start out full-blown.  Then it's time to circle the wagons.

It's funny.  With all the literature that talks about the seasonal regularity of episodic CH, and its "clockwork" nature, I seem to be one of the few here who fits that pattern.  Perhaps its more the exception than the rule it's purported to be.

Sorry, getting off-topic here.....

Best,

George  

 
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by mynm156 on Dec 4th, 2006, 4:14pm
A doc gave them to me once. they kinda helped with Shadows but helped my WIFE more than me.  Never aborted a Cluster
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by pfunk on Dec 8th, 2006, 12:16am
Totally agree with all that has been said.  Ibelieve that more often than not, narcotics do not necessarily help clusters.  And in fact, as others have said, I believe that they may trigger more than help.  Last year I had a bout with kidney stones(from the Topomax) and my doc, despite my persistent begging not to, insisted on giving me a tordol shot.  Yes, the pain from the stones subside a little , but I'll be damned if I didn't get hit with the worst HA I had had so far that year.

8)Pfunk
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by mynm156 on Dec 10th, 2006, 2:06am

on 12/08/06 at 00:16:08, pfunk wrote:
 Last year I had a bout with kidney stones(from the Topomax) and my doc, despite my persistent begging not to, insisted on giving me a tordol shot.  Yes, the pain from the stones subside a little , but I'll be damned if I didn't get hit with the worst HA I had had so far that year.

8)Pfunk

I had the kidney stone thing as well mine was from Zonegran same type of drug as Topamax.  However,i have had GREAT success with Tordol when I have been in the hospital for clusters!  Though the last time I had it I had a SMALL allergic reaction to it and now feel I can probably never take it again as reactions like that progressivly get worse.
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by tanner on Dec 10th, 2006, 6:15am

I never understand when people say narcs won't help Clusters.

They can, but certainly not Vicodan! It has to be much stronger, straight up without the nsaids and taken in dangerous doses. Temporary only and not nearly worth the costs in after effects and damage to your system. My Pain Management Neuro prescribes them to me to such an extent that i'm sure I am on a DEA watch list somewhere, but I use them very, very sparingly and not at all now as I am trying to be completely de-toxed and see if that will help.

I would vote you keep them for other types of pain as said by others.......Tim
Title: Re: Vicodin
Post by alienspacebabe on Dec 11th, 2006, 5:24pm
Both vicodin and percocet will cause shadows when I'm not shadowing, and hits when I'm shadowing. (that makes sense to me...)


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