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(Message started by: Don_Juan on Oct 29^th, 2006, 5:52pm)

Title: Red Fly Agaric mushroom
Post by Don_Juan on Oct 29^th, 2006, 5:52pm

I have a question. I have had great success with magic mushrooms but was wondering if other kinds would have the same effect in eliminating my headaches. I am specifically interested in knowing if the Red Fly Agaric Mushroom would help. I appreciate any information concerning this question.

Don

Title: Re: Red Fly Agaric mushroom
Post by andrewjb on Oct 29^th, 2006, 7:26pm

:). hello don, iam not sure, sorry fella. have a look at <www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas.shtml>. andrew.

Title: Re: Red Fly Agaric mushroom
Post by georgej on Oct 29^th, 2006, 9:03pm

There's a well-researched and footnoted article on Amanita muscaria (the red fly agaric) at Wikipedia, containing quite a bit of good information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria

Wikipedia isn't always a good source, but this entry isn't bad at all.

Fly Agaric is unscheduled in the US. I'd be very cautious with Amanita muscaria, however--you're in unknown territory with it as far as I'm aware, and insofar as CH is concerned.

Edited to add:

You may wish to look at Robert Gordon Wasson's paean to the fly agaric mushroom as well--the citation is:

R. G. Wasson, 1968, Soma: Divine Mushroom of Immortality ISBN 0-15-683800-1

Don't know if it's still in print--I saw a first edition copy of it about five or six years ago, and it was fairly spendy.

Best wishes,

George

Title: Re: Red Fly Agaric mushroom
Post by Carl1958 on Oct 30^th, 2006, 6:58am

on 10/29/06 at 17:52:22, Don_Juan wrote:

Hello Don, Flyagaric contain NO Psilocybin/Psilocin, so would not help with your headaches.

CArl... 8)

Title: Re: Red Fly Agaric mushroom
Post by Yorky on Oct 30^th, 2006, 3:55pm

on 10/29/06 at 17:52:22, Don_Juan wrote:

from a recreational input........the flygarick(as we called it twenty yrs ago)..too intense? would not advize anyone to try (but if you are having success/with normal shroom....be content, if it works, it dont need fixing ;)

Title: Re: Red Fly Agaric mushroom
Post by tommyD on Oct 30^th, 2006, 5:49pm

No, really...avoid this stuff.

As Carl said, fly agaric has no psilocybin or psilocin, nor any other chemical thought to be helpful for clusters. And from what I hear, it’s not even a very good high.

In Amanita muscaria, the active ingredients are ibotenic acid and muscimol, Erowid (http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/) says muscaria can be “psychedelic” for some folks, but at higher doses and to sensitive folks it can be a little toxic, as in a nasty, delerious state, with vomiting. On top of that, some other Amanita species contain some REAL nasty hepatotoxins that will kill your liver (and therefore, you).

-tommyD

Title: Re: Red Fly Agaric mushroom
Post by georgej on Oct 30^th, 2006, 11:42pm

on 10/30/06 at 17:49:47, tommyD wrote:

On top of that, some other Amanita species contain some REAL nasty hepatotoxins that will kill your liver (and therefore, you).

-tommyD

Tommy's right. Notably Amanita phalloides, the "death cap", and Amanita virosa, the "destroying angel". Thirty grams, or half a cap of either of these is lethal to an adult human being.

Dining on wild mushrooms for any purpose, be it culinary, recreational, or medicinal is not a good practice for anyone who is not absolutely positive of what they have picked.

Best,

George

Title: Re: Red Fly Agaric mushroom
Post by youngmichael on Oct 31^st, 2006, 8:59pm

i've heard that they are highly toxic.