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(Message started by: thebbz on Oct 16^th, 2006, 9:54pm)

Title: Neurotoxin Studies?
Post by thebbz on Oct 16^th, 2006, 9:54pm

Some critters contain neurotoxins that would be beneficial to study for a possible treatment for our condition. Some have been mentioned ie. frogs.
All laughter aside does anyone have more information regarding this?
really not kidding
jb

Title: Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
Post by nani on Oct 16^th, 2006, 10:04pm

Botulism? I only remember it helping one person with CH, but it's supposed to be pretty good for migraines.
Now, if only I could remember whether the one person was an actual study, or just a report.... :-/
hi jb!! :-*

Title: Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
Post by Charlotte on Oct 16^th, 2006, 11:50pm

Joan kissed you and you became a prince.

c

Even though we were jesting, you should read the links in the other thread.

I foresee this gaining popularity in a few decades when everything organic is legal and synthetic will be illegal.

Title: Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
Post by BikerBob on Oct 17^th, 2006, 12:55am

Hi jb ;;D

Please "Don't try this at home". Very scary.

see: http://www.erowid.org/animals/toads/toads.shtml

Here's a funny article http://www.erowid.org/animals/toads/toads_writings2.shtml

The indole-ring compound is 5-MeO-DMT (a very scary drug). I suspect that 5-MeO-DMT would have beneficial effects on CH, but I would never go near toad venom. A better way to use 5-MeO-DMT is by using ayahuasca, but only under the supervision of a shaman in Brazil. :-/

BB ;)

Title: Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
Post by Squanto on Oct 17^th, 2006, 7:05am

on 10/17/06 at 00:55:28, BikerBob wrote:

Please "Don't try this at home". Very scary.

The good news: you won't have to hurt the toads! :D
The bad news: toad ash tastes about like you'd guess it would. :D

Squanto

Title: Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
Post by georgej on Oct 17^th, 2006, 11:53am

All kidding aside, take a look at the similarities in chemical structure between Sumatriptan and Psilocybin--

Sumatriptan:
http://static.flickr.com/86/260448168_dcd72298b2_m.jpg

Psilocybin:
http://static.flickr.com/122/260448169_94de173bbc_m.jpg

(borrowed from Biker Bob's post in the "Psilocybin Theory" thread--hope you don't mind, Bob)

and Bufotenin, from toads and a variety of plant sources--

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bufotenin.png

Interesting. Whether or not this could be of therapeutic interest in managing CH is another question, and I can't address that, since I simply do not know.

Best regards,

George

Title: Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
Post by Mr. Happy on Oct 17^th, 2006, 12:52pm

Bees. Honey bees. Lots of `em. Well placed on the affected side. They've been doing this for MS for years. (http://health.discovery.com/centers/althealth/beetherapy/bkgsclerosis.html) Beta testers needed.

YOU go first.
Hap

Title: Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
Post by Melissa on Oct 17^th, 2006, 2:43pm

on 10/17/06 at 12:52:40, Mr. Happy wrote:

YOU go first.

Honestly? I would if there was somewhere around here that did it.

:-/

Title: Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
Post by mynm156 on Oct 19^th, 2006, 8:44am

Isnt the Frog thing a Simpsons episode. Everyone licks/kisses the frogs and spaces out? hahahahaha Hey I would be game to try just about anything.

Title: Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
Post by georgej on Oct 19^th, 2006, 10:04am

on 10/19/06 at 08:44:59, mynm156 wrote:

Isnt the Frog thing a Simpsons episode. Everyone licks/kisses the frogs and spaces out? hahahahaha Hey I would be game to try just about anything.

Don't try this one. It can kill you deader than a--well, a road-kill toad.

No kidding.

Best,

George

Title: Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
Post by thebbz on Oct 19^th, 2006, 10:27pm

Sacred essence of toad venom....ROTFLMOL bunch of hippies will smoke anything. Thanks BB
How do they keep the toads lit?
and it was a Simpsons episode..Homer tripped.
thanks for the info all
Toads away!
Hap: to bee or not to bb ;;D
jb

Title: Re: Neurotoxin Studies?
Post by just-squiggles on Oct 21^st, 2006, 6:37am

http://www.painonline.com/mt-archives/2006/03/central_pain_an_1.html

http://www.painonline.com/mt-archives/2006/03/oral_n_type_cal.html