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Title: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by omnibuscortex on Sep 6th, 2006, 1:43pm Hello again. Barry here. I haven't posted in a year and 9 months, but been lurking. It's hard to read about clusters hen you're not having them. I don't even want to think about them. I thought I had grown out of them, but apparently not. Multiple kip 10's are destroying my mind, so i guess i'm going to be posting here again. Anyway, I've finally been able to get a hold of mushrooms to test on myself, and i'll post how they affect me here. Since I never tried them before, and i have a generally low tolerance to things like weed, I decided to start off easy last night and make tea out of some stems and save the caps for later. It tasted as good as you'd expect mushroom tea to taste, so i added a little sugar. Drank it after a nice big sandwich so i woudln't upset my stomach too badly. I felt loopy after 20 minutes or so, and then I got very happy. Liek that stupid happy where you laugh easily and you get a dumb grin on your face. I was singing along to commercials, but didn't get too sloppy. I kept myself busy by playing World of Warcraft, but had a hard time concentrating and kind of wanted to lay down and ride it out. Once the inital stomach weirdness passed I felt really good and alert. I had the beginnings of a headache when i first took it but it went away fairly quickly. I made three more cups of tea with the same stems from before and a little more, and kept that good feeling going for a few hours more. I took maybe half of the regular recreational dose, toned down by making tea out of it. About 4 hours after I started to get a cluster. I could tell it was going to be a bad one because my right hand starts to shake a little. So i decided to eat a cap. It wasn't the worst tasting thing in the world, so i washed it down with some mango juice and watched some TV. Soon after, the headache lifted as quickly as it came on. It was still there, but like 4 points were gradually shaved off the kip scale for it. I slept without incident. Overslept, actually, though i think my recent lack of a full night's rest contributed to that. Got a bad headache on the way to work. Popped a loritab, because i can't shroom at work. Thankfully it went away. I'm going to try eating the rest of the mushrooms tonight after work. Hopefully I fall into that percentage of clusterheads that it works for. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by Margi on Sep 6th, 2006, 2:16pm Careful, Omni - I'm not an expert by any means, but you're taking WAY more than you need to help your cluster. 1/4 of the recreational dose is the norm. As well, you're supposed to wait at LEAST five days between doses. The "receptor door" in your brain closes to the psilocybin for that length of time, apparently, so you're just wasting the product (from a cluster treatment point of view, I mean). As well, you should be otherwise med free pre and post-dose. Not sure how that med you took will affect the dosage. You had FOUR cups of mushroom tea last night? :o Hopefully, one of the 'busters will be along soon to give you a bit more guidance here, but I think you're kind of overdoing it. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by vig on Sep 6th, 2006, 3:27pm a few thoughts: First: more is NOT usually better.... Second: it's a good sign that you responded to the first dose. Third: Waiting a few days before the second dose is also good, even if you still have a few HA's in between. Fourth: Consider acquiring some LSA seeds as backup and 2nd line of fire. www.iamshaman.com RC or HBWr Good luck OmniBC -p |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by nani on Sep 6th, 2006, 5:57pm A few more thoughts.... :) It's best to weigh out your doses, so you can keep track of how much you're taking and how much it takes to work. Dosing is best done on an empty stomach. They should not be re-used, like teabags. Give a dose 5 days before you determine whether it's working. If an additional dose is needed, you can add more each time. Vig is right about LSA seeds. Sometimes their addition will finally bust a stubborn cycle. It's not at all unusual to get hit pretty hard after dosing. The pain receptors get "excited" before they shut down. Don't use SPUTS for those, it's too soon and they won't work. Try RedBull or oxygen. Try to avoid standard meds between doses, or you'll have to delay the next dose in order to detox again. Good luck, Barry. Keep us posted, OK? pain free wishes, nani |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by MJ on Sep 7th, 2006, 1:31am Good luck, be carefull and hope to hear good results in the next few days. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by omnibuscortex on Sep 7th, 2006, 8:16pm UPDATE: The next day after work I jut decided to eat a whole cap. Yeah, it's more than I am supposed to need, but I felt like getting loopy anyway. I felt the shadows of a headache come and go, and then vanish for the entire night. It took a while to get to sleep, but when i finally did i slept soundly. However, I woke up about 6 hours later with a kip 8 or 9. I had to pop an Imitrex pill because I couldn't wait it out and i needed to get to work. I have had half a headache all day. It threatens to come on, but just doesn't. I know two days isn't enough to determine whether or not the mushrooms work, so i'm going to give it a few more days and then maybe try to round up some more mushrooms, maybe. I have an appointment with my neurologist, so if it comes down to it i can always fall back on a prednisone dospak and some imitrex shots. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by Katherinecm on Sep 8th, 2006, 12:19am Please, please, please go to clusterbusters.com and read everything you can. Imitrex is going to prevent mushrooms from working. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by vig on Sep 8th, 2006, 11:30am on 09/07/06 at 20:16:23, omnibuscortex wrote:
Hey bro, hope you're feeling better Be careful, if this medicine is to work, you may have to set aside your desire to get "loopy". and Imitrex is known to block the effects... read up on www.clusterbusters.com we're here to help if we can. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by Margi on Sep 8th, 2006, 11:54am I'm sorry, but this really makes me angry. >:( You're undoing YEARS of hard work that the clusterbuster folks have done...you do realize that, right? You're making a mockery of the treatment by expressing your desire to get 'loopy'. Don't you realize that medical community members follow this progress? How is this going to help the crusaders get this recognized as a viable cluster treatment and not just a 'drug seeker' looking for a high? Taking imitrex the morning after dosing too - ::) Seriously, please educate yourself by reading the www.clusterbuster.com site. You don't realize the damage you're doing here, both to the research AND to yourself. This is NOT what psilocybin therapy is about!! >:( |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by omnibuscortex on Sep 8th, 2006, 4:56pm Angry? My headaches make you angry? MY desire to use mushrooms to get out of my head for awhile because it hurts so bad makes you angry? Well excuse me, I wasn't aware that my trigeminal nerve was directly connected to the part of your nervous system that regulates your mood. I have to work to make money. I need to be out of pain. I don't have time to wait it out without meds and then go to work exhausted. I tried the shrooms and they worked alright the first night. I know it takes a while for them to work, supposedly, but I had a cluster so bad the next day I wanted to put my head through a brick wall. I had no choice but to pop an imitrex just to get to work. The shroom that night worked wonderfully, for that night anyway. After a week of feeling like utter garbage, it was great to be out of pain for the night and even feel good. Excuse the fuck out of me if i didn't follow your specific regimen of treatment because i absolutely needed to abort my headache that day. Don't you lecture to me about damage. In the moment the pain hits you, you can't possibly tell me that anything on earth is more important than relief. People like you are why i stopped posting on this board in the first place. I realized that no matter how many people are around to listen to you whine and feel sorry for you, it isn't helping relieve the pain one bit. I seem to have forgotten that. Last I checked this was a support group site, not a medical research lab. I'd rather suffer alone than put up with crap from people like you. Thank you to those who expressed concern, and no thank you to Margi. Goodbye again. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by tommyD on Sep 8th, 2006, 6:05pm Hey Omni, hang in here. Don’t worry bout Margi, she just cares a lot , if you know what I mean. Getting a little loopy is no great sin to me, folks do it all the time with a shot and a beer. Now what if that shot and beer, instead of triggering an attack, ended the cycle when you do it once a week? Be okay with everyone? And by the way, ‘getting loopy is probably not going to reduce the efficacy, if ‘loopy’ means a trip level 2 or 3. Efficacy seems to go down with the big, entheogenic (shake hands with God) doses, with trip level 4 and 5, which you probably wouldn’t call ‘loopy.’ Now understand we are talking about tryptamine hallucinogen here, and those prone to mental illness must avoid such chemicals. But I don’t see a sin in enjoying your medicine (No Driving!), especially since tryptamines pose little hazard of addiction. -tommyD (edited 'com I'm a idiot) |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by omnibuscortex on Sep 8th, 2006, 6:11pm I believe the trip level was no more than level 2, by the written descriptions of them. And thanks for the support TommyD. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by tommyD on Sep 8th, 2006, 6:24pm And Barry, listen up. Lay off the triptans if you’re going to use the tryptamines. That means no imitrex before or after the psilocybin dose. The shrooms might work anyway, but for a lot of folks the trex will interfere. Best bet for those after-dose hits is oxygen. And space the doses farther apart. Again, it might work anyway, but most folks find it takes three to seven days between doses for the psilocybin to work properly. These little rules aren’t absolutes, but experience shows they greatly improve the chances the psilocybin will work. -tommyD |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by MJ on Sep 9th, 2006, 12:35am Will just call you Loopy. ;) Sounds like the shrooms helped a little bit. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by tanner on Sep 9th, 2006, 1:46am Think about what you post! This is not a group pf recreational users of anything! We are trying to beat the beast! I have been chronic for 20 yrs. and have not had a pain free day in over four yrs. but I still have not tried what you are talking about. I am not trying to bash you. Just get with the program and don't damage us!......Tim |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by BikerBob on Sep 9th, 2006, 2:45am on 09/09/06 at 01:46:10, tanner wrote:
"Just get with the program"? What program leaves you chronic for 20 years without a PF day in 4 yrs.? "don't damage us"? How is Margi damaging anyone? BB |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by tanner on Sep 9th, 2006, 10:42am I screwed up the post :-[ I was trying to agree with Margi. My comment was directed at omnibuscortex!!!! .....sorry...Tim |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by PaulL on Sep 9th, 2006, 9:47pm Relax everyone. Ten years ago who'd have thought that psilocybin, LSD, or LSA could provide successful treatment for cluster? It's still an experimental treatment that only a few hundred people have tried and has NEVER been tested scientifically. Maybe we'll all learn something from omni's experience breaking the "rules". In scientific circles this is called doing an experiment. As always, there are no guarantees that it will work. Good luck omni, and please keep reporting on your treatment and the results. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by nani on Sep 10th, 2006, 10:29am on 09/09/06 at 21:47:46, PaulL wrote:
Perhaps. If he wants to give it the best shot at working, he really would be wise to follow the previous testers advice. I'm all for experimenting... once I know that something does work for me. Would it be fair to say it doesn't work, if we don't follow the advice of those it has worked for? A waste of time, and "medicine", IMO. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by Chuffy on Sep 10th, 2006, 11:02am If it's any help, I have found less is more as it were. When I first tried the shrooms I was doing sips every day to fend off shadows etc after the initial dose. Since then I have read up a bit and saw some people say leave it to settle down a bit before dosing again. So this time as soon as the cluster puts in an appearance I did 1.5g. Next day I got hit (in the pub of all places, that'll teach me) and a can of Red Bull killed that. Nothing for two weeks so life carried on as normal, then I get a mild attack in the night. Got up, grabbed a couple of shrooms (probably only .5g if that) and made a cup of tea. Headache went in about 10 mins and I went back to bed. That was a week ago. I have had the odd shadow and even another moment when a can of Red Bull was called for (again, the day after the dosing) but it seems to be settling down again now. It's just having the nerve to ride out the period after a dosing to see what happens I suppose. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by zanychef on Sep 11th, 2006, 6:49am at the moment i dose once every 4-6 weeks with 2gr of shrooms whether i have any activity or not (mainly not ;;D) ocassionalyy when i cannot take the nesssecary time of i sput which will keep me going for another 5-10 days all this has beeen learnt from clusterbusters and other busters(they know who they are ;) ) less is definately more!!!!! from chronic to virtually pf in a matter of weeks my o2 consumptin has gone from 5000+litres per week to 1400 per 3 months my bill to my doctors sugery for imitrex oxygen verapamil and various other tried and tested meds from over £2000 per month to virtually zero!!! but i dont do it to 'get loopy' IAn |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by Margi on Sep 11th, 2006, 12:46pm sorry, have been away. Yes, Barry - your cluster headaches DO make me angry and I want them to end almost as much as you do, trust me. I hate ALL cluster headaches and what they do to people I love. My point was illustrated (much more eloquently) by other posters in this thread. I hope you're adopting the 'less is more' approach and that you've learned the mechanics of how psilocybin can help you. My apologies for upsetting you - your post just scared me. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by javi_spain on Sep 11th, 2006, 1:39pm It is funny how contentious we clusterheads can get at times. Omni is trying a treatment from which many of us may benefit in the future, he is also being kind enough to post here abut his findings... I think this is one reason for us to appreciate his efforts. Good Luck Omni, PF wishes to everyone. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by uga11 on Sep 15th, 2006, 1:02pm i would luv to try this method but i don't know where to get some srooms. i live in ga never had to use this. been a cluster H for long as i know... if anyone can help me get some in GA please let me know... im currenty on my cycle.. twice a year for 1month each.. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by seasonalboomer on Sep 15th, 2006, 1:13pm learn about it on www.clusterbuster.com good luck |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by tommyD on Sep 15th, 2006, 2:01pm The Clusterbusters recommend growing your own mushrooms from spores that can be bought legally, but unfortunately you are in Georgia and even the spores are illegal there. Some folks are buying the seeds of certain flowering vines, which seeds contain LSA, a tryptamine similar to the psilocybin in shrooms. Of course, you may buy these seeds for gardening purposes only. See the LSA faq at: http://www.clusterbusters.com/faqlsa.htm -tommyD |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by MJ on Sep 15th, 2006, 9:45pm on 09/15/06 at 14:01:10, tommyD wrote:
I planted a few Rivea Corymbosa seeds and became CH free after suffering through for a lot of years with 8 or more attacks a day. I have not taken psyilocibin for CH but the ease and convenience of these seeds in 2 or 3 days through the mail vs. time growing shrooms makes them a perfect alternate to shrooms for impatient folks like me. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by BB on Sep 16th, 2006, 2:29am Hi everyone Does anyone know if shroom is available in Australia? or can be imported ? Thanks Annette |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by LeeS on Sep 16th, 2006, 5:42am Quote:
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/magic_mushrooms_aunz/magic_mushrooms_aunz2.shtml These chaps may be able to assist further Annette: http://www.ethnobotany-australia.net/forum/index.php -Lee |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by BB on Sep 16th, 2006, 10:07am Wow! Thats really helpful Lee , thanks :) Truly a case of " ask and thou shall receive " ;) Hugs and painfree wishes to you. Annette |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by uga11 on Sep 16th, 2006, 10:32am mj how do u use this seeds.. i read on cluster buster but don't give enough info.. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by MJ on Sep 20th, 2006, 1:56am Uga11 Hi. Read the mushroom faqs at cluster busters. Many use the RC seeds the same as one would use the shrooms. Dosing with a 5 or more day break in between, then again dose if needed. Heres how i used the seeds to break a cycle. http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=meds;action=display;num=1138385923;start=0#9 And here is the process that led up to my using the above method of breaking the cycle. (its a long thread) http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=meds;action=display;num=1132680856 |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by Pinkfloyd on Sep 20th, 2006, 2:03am on 09/16/06 at 10:32:26, uga11 wrote:
You're right. We're still in the early stages of gathering data and I am working on compiling an update for the website (don't worry michelle..it'll be a while yet). Just been a little busy of late..no excuse (my wife never excepts it for one anyway) Best thing to do right now is to read what is available on the LSA FAQ, then read the mushroom FAQ because most of the info there applies to using the seeds also. The only changes can be found on the LSA FAQ. It's more like a supplimental to the Mushrooms FAQ. Info like detoxing, tips etc...are common with all three psychedelic treatments. Bobw |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by Flash on Sep 25th, 2006, 9:14am I feel the need to take a firmer tone here. This sounds like another instance of someone shoveling umpteen drugs down their throat in the futile quest for a quick fix to CH. If you want to be painfree then the FASTEST way is to take advice from people that have already done it. Sure the trex might have got you to work today, but what about tomorrow, and the day after, etc... Shrooms and seeds are not something to be taken lightly. In the years that I have frequented this board I cannot think of anyone that arsed around with this treatment and got anywhere. On the other hand the people that have put some effort into it, and taken a little pain along the way, have mainly succeeded. The most we are going to learn from this persons ill judged experimentation is that ill judeged experimentation is a waste of time. Again. Doh! So I'm with Margi on this one... If you want to do this properly then I'm all ears. But right now you are just chasing your own tail. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by kronos32 on Sep 26th, 2006, 11:35am hello first time here. I have suffered from ch's for seven years and nothing had worked for me. I have tried imitrex nasal and injection, oxygen I don't want to make this forum sound like and illicit drug forum, but one thing that i have used and works fast is methamphetamine, i have smoked it when I started a ch and within 10 to 15 mins no more headache no more pain. there is something in the stuff that blocks the headaches so it is up to you to try it. THAT IS THE ONLY THING EVERY TO RID ME OF THEM QIUCKLY |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by seasonalboomer on Sep 26th, 2006, 11:44am on 09/26/06 at 11:35:28, kronos32 wrote:
TERRIBLY DANGEROUS POST --- PLEASE ALERT D.J. -- I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYONE POST THAT METH USE, (ON THEIR FIRST POST) IS A PROPER TREATMENT. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by Margi on Sep 26th, 2006, 11:51am UNBELIEVABLE!!! I agree with Bloomer here - this is NOT what this board is about - we do NOT condone use of METH here! Kronos, please delete your post. And, please stop smoking that crap and get some help. There are MUCH safer ways of aborting cluster. >:( |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by nani on Sep 26th, 2006, 11:57am kronos... :o There have been a few reports of folks having luck with Ritalin as an abortive. Note: Ritalin is a prescription med, not a bathtub drug. I notice that you are not far from me. If you're interested in discussing (non-harmful) ways to treat CH, please send me a PM. If you smoke meth regularly, I'm with Margi on this...get some help and get it fast. CH may be the least of your problems right now. pain (and meth) free wishes, nani |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by georgej on Sep 26th, 2006, 12:09pm on 09/26/06 at 11:35:28, kronos32 wrote:
Are you nuts? The only thing I can imagine that would be worse than having CH is being a cranker. There's NOTHING good about meth. It's destructive, addictive, and extremely hazardous. Frankly, I'd rather use a bullet to abort a headache. Get some help with your addiction issue (and you are an addict, make no mistake), or you're going to find yourself in prison, on the street, or dead. Unbelievably dangerous post... "Kronos" devoured his own children. Your advice isn't much better than that. Get help, or get lost. George |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by Richr8 on Sep 26th, 2006, 12:12pm on 09/26/06 at 12:09:30, georgej wrote:
You beat me to it. My thoughts exactly. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by MJ on Sep 26th, 2006, 12:22pm I am involved a little in our local MEADA. Educating and curtailing the use of meth in my area. Meth Kills, by its very nature it causes addiction and irreversible damage. This is not a drug to take lightly The meth on the streets today is essentially a chemical bomb, much stronger than liquid drano. Having said that, some of the way methamphetamines work it is very likely that it can abort and and even prevent CH. It can also abort your life over time. Meth has the ability to destroy serotonin, increase adrenalin, adjust dopamines and alter all the brain transmitters and receptors for everything that may be causative to CH. I do not support its use but Here is a link partially explaining how it works. http://www.montana.edu/wwwai/imsd/rezmeth/transmit.htm |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by seasonalboomer on Sep 26th, 2006, 12:45pm in all likelihood Kronos32 is a troll. he won't be back and probably got a laugh out of lobbing something so stupid into such a forum. probably a buddy of "SI05". |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by Jonny on Sep 27th, 2006, 4:57pm http://ebaumsworld.com/2006/07/faces-of-meth.wmv |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by unsolved1 on Sep 27th, 2006, 5:16pm I'm not here to talk down about shrooms as a viable treatment for CH since it has seemed to help so many ... but I did want to share that : It didn't help me & it was a lil 'trippy' !! I didn't like the effects at all. :-/ The Meth thing is just completely ridiculous !! :-X I wouldn't ever get started on that stuff !! ::) That's all I need is another problem !! :-/ PF Wishes UNsolved |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by kayarr on Sep 27th, 2006, 11:35pm Kronos is a troll >:( |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by thebbz on Sep 28th, 2006, 10:35pm :P Crap I went through two weeks of detox,lots of writhing and and bothering my clusterbuddies to administer the alternative therapy when I could have popped pain killers smoke pot and jab trex? Man I missed the memo. Alternatve therapy, drug therapy, O2, all have to be administered correctly to be effective. Listen to good advice. Tweekers suck jb Mr.cortex....hope your doing better. |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by chewy on Sep 30th, 2006, 9:08am Quote:
See Ya! |
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Title: Re: mushroom experience (and hello again) Post by andrewjb on Sep 30th, 2006, 9:27am ;;D.centurions at the gates. thankyou for all the good advice. andrew |
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