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Title: Magnet treatment Post by phase66 on Jun 23rd, 2006, 6:47am Saw this article and thought I'd share it. http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060619/full/060619-9.html While it's only mentions migraines and I'm highly skeptical of anything having to do with magnets, I know most of us are willing to try just about anything while in cycle. Anyone heard of anything like this? Also, I believe MRIs are basically giant electromagents. Has getting an MRI ever had an effect on your cycle? (I've only received a cat scan.) |
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Title: Re: Magnet treatment Post by Katherinecm on Jun 23rd, 2006, 9:06am I've had several MRI's, and there was no effect. |
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Title: Re: Magnet treatment Post by jmorgan52 on Jun 23rd, 2006, 10:03am see my neuralieve article in The Times (UK) post http://www.neuralieve.com/ |
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Title: Re: Magnet treatment Post by Karla on Jun 23rd, 2006, 10:09am I have had several MRI's and it has never effected my ch at all. I have also tried using magnets. You need special ones that are quit large and very expensive. I found that it did absolutly nothing for my ch. I wouldn't waste my time or money on it. I hope you find something that works. |
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Title: Re: Magnet treatment Post by jmorgan52 on Jun 24th, 2006, 2:26am go look at the website and see who is behind this research/product before you write it off as snake oil. This product is not available until sometime in 2007 and one of the main companies involved is Johnson and Johnson. Thst sounds like there is heavy involvement by some pretty big guns in the pharmaceutical industry! This is not just "some magnets" and the fact that some people have had MRI's means nothing. Sorry Karla but just read the article before making comments like "I wouldn't waste my time or money on it" There is nothing to waste money on (yet?). And it will probably be just as expensive as Triptans if it works [smiley=huh.gif] John |
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Title: Re: Magnet treatment Post by chewy on Jun 24th, 2006, 12:27pm I read the article and Quote:
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Title: Re: Magnet treatment Post by vig on Jun 28th, 2006, 12:30pm I've watCHed many people waste their valuable money on magnets. skip it. my $.02 |
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Title: Re: Magnet treatment Post by jmorgan52 on Jun 29th, 2006, 3:20am For those shooting from the hip in their reponses that have not bothered to research the info on http://www.neuralieve.com here are some excerpts from the website. You will see that Dr Goadsby is one of the advisors to this research team - Does that make you sit up and take notice! This does not look like "wearing some magnets" shit to me, it looks like very serious research which may just benefit CH'ers in the future (and as I stated before may cost us just as much for the treatments, but it may be safer). This may turn out to be a better alternative to Triptans for some. I for one hope something good comes from this research. "The mainstay of current migraine management is acute drug therapy, in particular the class of agents known as triptans. These drugs have been a significant step forward in the treatment of migraine, yet triptans are ineffective in as many as 40 percent of patients. In addition, the drugs may pose serious risk to some patients..2 Thus, there is a need for safer and more effective therapeutic alternatives. Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS) has the potential to meet this need. TMS is the first non-drug, non-behavioral therapy for the treatment of migraine. It is also the first treatment that addresses the underlying mechanism now widely accepted as the basis of migraine, namely, spreading waves of abnormal neuronal activity in the brain known as cortical spreading depression. By disrupting this spread, TMS has the potential to preempt headache altogether, reduce the duration or severity of the migraine episode, and perhaps reduce the frequency of migraine attacks. TMS has an established record of safety in other uses. Because TMS has been used for decades as a means to study the brain, the body of data includes tens of thousands of patients. This experience has demonstrated that TMS, delivered as individual pulses, is exceedingly safe. In fact, the safety of so-called single-pulse TMS is accepted by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and National Institute of Neurologic Disease and Stroke (NINDS)..1.2. In discussing single-pulse TMS, it is important to distinguish it from two other kinds of magnetic therapy. The first is repetitive TMS, in which a very large number of pulses is administered in rapid succession. This approach has been used to treat a variety of neuropsychiatric disorders but may also induce seizure, making it unsuitable for use in a broad segment of the population. The second distinction is with passive magnetic “therapy,” in which magnets are worn in contact with the skin. Although such magnets are popular in the alternative medicine community, there is no validated clinical evidence to support their effectiveness in any condition." here is a list of the very heavyweight investors in this technology development: Domain Partners http://www.domainvc.com InterWest Partners http://www.interwest.com Johnson and Johnson Development Corporation http://www.jjdevcorp.com MedVenture Associates http://www.medven.com New Enterprise Associates http://www.nea.com Technology Partners http://www.technologypartners.com Advisors: Neuralieve has assembled a medical advisory board that includes major figures in the field of headache medicine. Richard B. Lipton, MD, Professor and Vice-Chairman of Neurology at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, and Director of the Montefiore Headache Center , serves as MAB chairman. Dr. Lipton is one of the nation's leading experts on headache medicine and research, and is a past president of the American Headache Society. Chairman Richard B. Lipton, MD Professor and Vice-Chairman, Department of Neurology Albert Einstein College of Medicine Bronx, NY Members (8) Sheena K. Aurora, MD Co-Director Swedish Headache Center Seattle, WA David W. Dodick, MD Professor of Neurology Mayo Clinic College of Medicine Department of Neurology Phoenix, AZ Merle L. Diamond, MD Associate Director Diamond Headache Clinic Chicago, IL Seymour Diamond, MD Director Diamond Headache Clinic, LTD Chicago, IL Peter J. Goadsby, MD Director Institute of Neurology Headache Group London, England Yousef Mohammad, MD, MSc Assistant Professor of Neurology Ohio State University Medical Center Columbus, OH Joel R. Saper, MD Director/Founder Michigan Head Pain & Neurology Institute Ann Arbor, MI Stephen D. Silberstein, MD Director Jefferson Headache Center Philadelphia, PA |
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Title: Re: Magnet treatment Post by chewy on Jun 29th, 2006, 7:40am The product. Good luck with that. http://www.neuralieve.com/images/device-in-use.jpg Clinical research. Quote:
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Title: Re: Magnet treatment Post by LeLimey on Jun 29th, 2006, 8:21am Can I just add a point of clarification. This is being researched for MIGRAINE and NOT CH. John whilst I have read about this on several different news stories and I know it to be serious research I haven't once seen any connection between this and CH. Whilst I know the two conditions have many similarities and many common treatments they are not the same. Please do not give people false hope that it might one day be a future treatment for CH when no documentation anywhere exists to support this conclusion. |
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Title: Re: Magnet treatment Post by chewy on Jun 29th, 2006, 8:30am Quote:
And there you have it. |
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Title: Re: Magnet treatment Post by jmorgan52 on Jun 29th, 2006, 10:11am Many, many treatments for CH, including what I personally regard as the most effective - the Triptans and Imitrex in particular - were developed for Migraines. This may just be the same. And to make it clear this is a product STILL IN DEVELOPMENT. So I see no reason to not hold out hope at this stage - false or not. End of story for me thanks 8) |
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Title: Re: Magnet treatment Post by Kevin_M on Jun 29th, 2006, 10:42am This (http://www.dispatch.com/news-story.php?story=dispatch/2006/06/22/20060622-D1-02.html) article from the Columbus Dispatch in Ohio, where OSU is, states: (unsurprisingly, but I don't know how significant the figures are.) In the study, 69 percent of those tested reported feeling mild pain or no pain after using the device. That's compared to 40 percent of the placebo group, said Dr. Yousef Mohammad, an OSU neurologist who directed the study. The research, funded by Neuralieve, the device's manufacturer, will be presented today at the annual American Headache Society meeting in Los Angeles. ---/ /--- The device interrupts the aura, Mohammad said, and the results are encouraging. Compared to 26 percent of the placebo group, 42 percent of patients graded their headache responses as "very good" or "excellent" after treatment. ---/ /--- (also, though) A subsequent study is supposed to start within two months and will include 200 patients at nine research centers across the country. I'd wait for a non-manufacturer study if I was a migrainer, but I'm not. on 06/29/06 at 03:20:35, jmorgan52 wrote:
Otherwise, it might seem like I was shooting from the hip. |
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Title: Re: Magnet treatment Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 29th, 2006, 11:18am on 06/29/06 at 10:42:01, Kevin_M wrote:
they left out the words "after 2 hours" from that story. scott |
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