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(Message started by: jfrench on Feb 11^th, 2006, 6:41pm)

Title: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by jfrench on Feb 11^th, 2006, 6:41pm

I'm not normally the type to go to a Chinese herbalist, but for the past 3 weeks my CH's (the first series of them I've ever had) have been so torchureous and painful that today I went to one in Studio City, CA. I told her I was looking for kudzu because of the message boards I saw here for non-prescribed treatmments, but after she told me what my CH symptoms are without even asking me (eyelid closing, pain in eye, head, face, inability to sit still during CH, inability to go back to sleep, etc.), she told me she was giving me a Cnidium & Tea supplement that would work much better and is much more potent. She told me kudzu is good only for hangover type headaches, not severe CH's. I got a bottle of 100 pills for $18, she also gave me a chinese painkiller "Yan Hu Suo' she said will help if the CH does come back. She told me taking 3 pills/day , 3x/day for 2 weeks will prevent CH's from coming back, and then to start taking them again if they do come back. Until then, she said I may not get them at all but if I do they will be extremely less painfull and short in duration. For anyone in LA area, the store is Amy's Vitamin Land on 12069 Ventura Pl. in Studio City. To order online or phone go to www.amysvitamin.com or call 818-763-6602. So far today, no CH since taking my new Chinese remedies :), normally by this time I would have had at least 1. I don't currently have health insurance, so I avoided the doctor's office for $ reasons.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Rock_Lobster on Feb 11^th, 2006, 7:25pm

Imagine that... 3 weeks into your first episode ever and you stumble across, in a vitamin store of all places, the person who has the cure for CH.

Incredible. Well, I guess we can shut down this board now.

http://www.usna.edu/Users/history/scallaha/USMC-HC_files/Solomons%20Flamethrower.jpg

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by E-Double on Feb 11^th, 2006, 7:34pm

So you take Cndium for clusters or for acne, erectile dysfunction, vaginitis, ringworm, open lesions?

What?

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Dragnlance on Feb 11^th, 2006, 8:26pm

Sounds just a bit fishy to me. Having had the monster in my head all my life, and never heard of anything that would cure in 3 weeks.
Well, maybe not fishy, but snakey, as in snake oil. Do they have a wagon with ribbions and flashy things too???

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Kevin_M on Feb 11^th, 2006, 9:06pm

on 02/11/06 at 18:41:42, jfrench wrote:

she told me she was giving me a Cnidium & Tea supplement that would work much better and is much more potent.

Walking into a vitamin store and they found something to sell you for what ails ya. What are the odds?

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by nani on Feb 11^th, 2006, 9:22pm

I had a flash of "Flo-ishness" ;) and looked it up. It does have anti-coagulant properties. I suppose it's possible...

edited to add: It's used for erectile dysfunction. Western ED meds are vaso-dilators...

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by E-Double on Feb 11^th, 2006, 9:34pm

on 02/11/06 at 21:22:17, nani wrote:

A no no for a true CHer

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by nani on Feb 11^th, 2006, 9:38pm

Getting more interesting:

Yan Hu Suo Properties: PUNGENT, BITTER - WARM Dosage: 4.5 – 12g.

Corydalis Rhizome Meridian: HEART, LIVER, LUNG, STOMACH

-invigorate blood, promote movement of Qi

-alleviate pain

Also Used For:

Orally, Yan Hu Suo is used for mild depression, neuroses, emotional disturbances, severe nerve damage, and limb tremors. It is also used orally as a mild sedative and tranquilizer, hallucinogen, to lower blood pressure, and to relax small intestine peristalsis.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Mr. Happy on Feb 11^th, 2006, 10:45pm

Not that I'm an herbalist, by any means, and still think Kudzu is the worlds greatest placebo, but does cinchona bark for treating malaria ring a bell?

Whadda I know.
RJ

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by jfrench on Feb 11^th, 2006, 10:55pm

It's too bad you cynics and skeptics are being complete wiseasses and assh*#les. I took my time today to register as a member to share the remedy I found to help others who share the pain of CH's that I did. I did not stumble in the vitamin store, I called to see if they had kudzu, the bullshit herb u guys on this message board said would help. On a normal day I would have had 2-3 CH's by now and I have had 0 !!! so u can accept my offer or continue to suffer, seeing what jerks and doubters u all are i actually hope u don't try it and keep suffering. I have a master's degree so I'd like to think I have a little sense, but if u think I joined this to waste my time and promote a little old Asian lady's store you're wrong. But for anyone who has sense like me I recommend u try what I did b/c this is the 1st day in 3 weeks I've been fully funtional, happy, and pain-free.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by jfrench on Feb 11^th, 2006, 11:00pm

on 02/11/06 at 21:06:02, Kevin_M wrote:

Walking into a vitamin store and they found something to sell you for what ails ya. What are the odds?

Actually Kevin, the kudzu was more expensive than the bottle of 100 pills i bought for $18. But I suppose I should have been a victim of big pharmaceuticals ad campaigns and lobbying doctors and payed hundreds of dollars for the drugs that are recommended on this site opposed to my $18? i don't think so. again, i am now CH free for now, so I'm glad I listened to the little old Asian lady and not you guys, the reason this site is still so active is b/c noone, including doctors, have seemed to find a viable remedial antidote. If anyone's smart, get what I got and do your research if you're bright enough to use google Kevin.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by E-Double on Feb 11^th, 2006, 11:17pm

I hope it did work for you.
If you are a true clusterhead and this was your very first cycle then it may have just run its course.
You will know when it comes back because they always come back!
Be prepared but don't come talking smack.
Sharing is one thing that is expected and appreciated, but to come here and not explain what brought you to the point of seeking help and attempting to to not be in pain and then making a sales pitch is wrong. Period.
When anything is posted we research it because it may be worth trying.
When all of the literature details the medicinal value of such herb in regards to vaginitis, acne, and many skin disorder then one delves further.
Good luck and just in case, read and arm yourself with information and not just chance

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by jfrench on Feb 11^th, 2006, 11:40pm

hey E-Double u guys r the ones talkin smack prick. i offered advice, take it or leave it. u think i'm making a sales pitch for chinese herb selling for $18. I manage talent that u watch on tv and hear on the radio every week. I'm an Irish guy from the projects in Boston who now lives in a 3 million dollar home in studio city. but guess what, I don't have health insurance that covers meds ( I have a shitty entertainment union insurance), and i prefer natural cures because I was once addicted to opiates. You did some crappy research if that's what u found on. type Cnidium on google and the 1st thing u get is about it remedying headaches-pay attention prick, and i don't take disrespect well. when i try to help people and they talk shit after i get pissed, so if u got more to say i'll be happy to give u my phone # cuz u r seriously a prick. by the way i'm CH free feelin good right now, not 1 all day!!!! Listen and learn buddy

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by chewy on Feb 12^th, 2006, 12:06am

Quote:

Amy's Vitamin Land on 12069 Ventura Pl. in Studio City. To order online or phone go to www.amysvitamin.com or call 818-763-6602.

Amy = JFRENCH

JFRENCH = amy

Simple. now go away.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by nani on Feb 12^th, 2006, 12:16am

I'm sorry people...I'm interested. We know that BP lowering drugs can be a prevent, we know that hallucinogenics can be a prevent and an abortive. We know that anti-coagulants may help, we're not sure if the ED function of the herb is because it's a vaso-dilator (that was just my assumption). I'd be very interested to see what Flo has to say about this....

jfrench, can you describe your regimen in more detail?

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Ueli on Feb 12^th, 2006, 12:49am

on 02/11/06 at 22:55:32, jfrench wrote:

I have a master's degree ....

.... in foul language and bad spelling, or what?

::)

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Ueli on Feb 12^th, 2006, 1:17am

on 02/12/06 at 00:16:32, nani wrote:

I'm sorry nani, but

of all the drugs to lower blood pressure only calcium cannel blockers (and this Chinese herb) help CH.

of all the hallucinogenics only those containing psilocybin or LSA or related compounds (and this Chinese herb) help CH.

of all the anti-coagulants only Warfarin might be helpful for CH. We all know that Aspirin doesn't help for CH, in contrast to this Chinese herb.

IMNSHO, jfrench probably has not CH, but is a textbook example someone preying on the suffering of others.

Ueli [smiley=smokin.gif]

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by BikerBob on Feb 12^th, 2006, 1:20am

Cnidium seed contains several compounds including coumarins, osthol, imperatorin, glucides and hepatoprotective sesquiterpenes. The coumarins may help a little but its pharmacology can't possibly be an effective abortive or preventive for CH.

BB

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by nani on Feb 12^th, 2006, 1:54am

BB and Ueli...
In no way am I as knowledgeable about this stuff than you two and Flo. I'll get that out of the way first. I'm also not sure this isn't just another attempt by a snake oil vendor. However....call it intuition, or a gut feeling...I just feel like there may something to this.
BB, there are 2 different herbs mentioned. The Yan Hu Suo is the hallucinogen. Didn't I read somewhere about someone using another hallucinogen (other than psilocybin, LSD, or LSA)? Something that may have started with a D or an M? :-[ The info I saw (albeit briefly) on this Yan Hu Suo didn't say what the hallucinogenic substance was.
And we really can't say that the BP lowering properties aren't through calcium channel blocking, yet.
Nothing about kudzu sounded especially applicable, especially prior to Flo's research. The description of a liver tonic and alcohol detox certainly wouldn't apply. It was part desperation and part intuition that drove me to buy that first bottle. Well, that, and Flo's research.
JMHO

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by MJ on Feb 12^th, 2006, 3:10am

Kids are ready to rumble :o

Nani,
The other hallucinogen I think you refer to is DMT very potent very scary stuff.

Regarding "Yan Hu Suo" Cordyalis root

From the shaman shop

"Corydalis is a relative of the opium poppy that contains similar pain-killing alkaloids, but which are non-addictive as well as analgesic.
The tuber contains more than 20 active alkaloids, the most active of which are the cordalines, tetrahydropalmatine (THP), and protopine.

The alkaloids provide the herb with an analgesic effect that is about 1/10 of the strength of opium or 1/100 of the strength of morphine. The mechanism for its analgesic effect is similar to that of morphine, inhibiting the reticular-activating system in the brain stem, but without impacting opiate receptors. Chinese researchers report that 75 mg of THP daily was effective in reducing nerve pain in 78% of the patients tested.

Although the herb is far weaker than its stronger narcotic cousins, it is safer, and still has value in pain and stress relief, and as a sedative for insomnia. Corydalis can also be very sedating and therefore useful if there is insomnia associated with the pain. In insomnia patients, sleep was induced within 20-30 minutes after oral administration of 100-200mg dl-THP, without subsequent dizziness or vertigo.

Because of its usefulness in blood deficiency as well as in pain relief, it is an ideal herb for menstrual pain relief. Chinese researchers have demonstrated success in treating painful menstruation (dysmenorrhea), abdominal pain after childbirth, and headache with THP.

THP's analgesia and sedation have been shown to work, at least in part, by blocking postsynaptic dopamine receptors in the central nervous system. Unlike tranquilizers though, it does not affect brain serotonin levels, deplete monoamine stores, or block GABA receptors. It also has been shown to stimulate the secretion of ACTH (adreno-corticotrophic hormone) by the pituitary gland, which controls aspects of stress.

THP also has very valuable cardiovascular actions. It has been shown to decrease the stickiness of platelets, thereby protecting against stroke. It has also been shown to lower blood pressure and heart rate. THP also has been shown to have a muscle relaxing effect, working on smooth muscles as well as skeletal muscles. It reduced coronary resistance, increased coronary bloodflow, and dilated coronary blood vessels in rabbits, cats, and mice. The cumulative effect is to promote rhythmic efficiency. This, in effect, vasodilation, has been shown to be very helpful with migraine.

Side effects of Corydalis are minimal and toxicity is low, although CNS depression has been reported at high dosage levels.

The herb does not affect liver or renal functions, blood pressure or heart rate; and side effects associated with morphine such as nausea, respiratory suppression, and addiction are absent. "

You may be onto something there jfrench.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Jonny on Feb 12^th, 2006, 3:28am

on 02/11/06 at 22:55:32, jfrench wrote:

i actually hope u don't try it and keep suffering.

For that statement alone you deserve to be beatin to death and your body dragged for miles you piece of shit!

This fucking punk does not have CH.....only a fool would believe that it does.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by jmorgan52 on Feb 12^th, 2006, 4:04am

Hi jfrench

Welcome to the board!

Warning - There are at least a dozen people here who just love to jump on newbie posters who think thay have a cure. They try and intimidate you with derogatory language and unsults to you intelligence. They want you to be very carefull what you say in your first postings and wait until you have long term proof of what works.

Ignore them and stay here long term to keep us informed of your progress.

But.... anyone selling bullshit or promoting real snake oil cures better beware as these guys will catch you out.

I for one don't think you are trying to promote a small healthstore.

You may just be at the end of your CH cycle. The first few can take less than 3-4 weeks to run their course. It may have had a placebo effect which just speeded up you cycle to end.

Whatever it was I'm glad you are PF now.

For the record we get many "off the wall" treatments posted here, some of which turn out to be very effective, but still the cyncics don't believe.

I am open minded to the Kudzu, Mushroom/LSD, Seeds, etc route, but I have never tried them so I can't really comment on their effectiveness. I am also willing to accept that chinese medicine may help.

Unlike Ueli, Rock Lobstrer, Edouble, Dragnlance, Chewy and co who just love to jump on anything alternative without being prepared to give it and try, and then proceed to put others off trying it because they instinctively think they know better than you do because of their wealth of scientific bullshit babble. For instance:

http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=medsarchive2003;action=display;num=1036479389;start=11#11

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Jonny on Feb 12^th, 2006, 4:59am

on 02/12/06 at 04:04:30, jmorgan52 wrote:

on 02/11/06 at 22:55:32, jfrench wrote:

It's too bad you cynics and skeptics are being complete wiseasses and assh*#les. so u can accept my offer or continue to suffer, seeing what jerks and doubters u all are i actually hope u don't try it and keep suffering. .

on 02/11/06 at 23:40:00, jfrench wrote:

hey E-Double u guys r the ones talkin smack prick. pay attention prick, u r seriously a prick.

This quote is my favorite......LMMFAO!!!! ;;D

on 02/11/06 at 23:40:00, jfrench wrote:

I'm an Irish guy from the projects in Boston who now lives in a 3 million dollar home in studio city. but guess what, I don't have health insurance that covers meds

What a fucking putz.....LOL!!!!

on 02/11/06 at 22:55:32, jfrench wrote:

I have a master's degree so I'd like to think I have a little sense

A piece of paper means shit, if your so smart how come your health insurance does not cover meds?

What was that phone number again? ;;D

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by E-Double on Feb 12^th, 2006, 6:56am

For once I will join in in the bullshit and feed these trolls then I'm out!!!!!!!!!!

Jfrench you scumbag! All I did was ask for more information and you proved yourself a farce!

JMorgan you bigger FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!
I have never done anything but support you.

I typically don't jump down peoples throats nor question some of the so-called alts. because of what it may potentially provide in relief.

But both you fuckers just pissed off a typically polite and respectful dude who is on little sleep.

So FUCK YOU!

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by E-Double on Feb 12^th, 2006, 7:17am

on 02/11/06 at 23:40:00, jfrench wrote:

type Cnidium on google and the 1st thing u get is about it remedying headaches-pay attention prick::::::

1st link from goodle dick head

Quote:

Cnidium Monnieri herb for sex libido aphrodisiac acne skin care ...Cnidium Monnieri Cnidium Monnieri herb for sex libido aphrodisiac acne skin care itchy skin.
healthyherbs.about.com/cs/chineseherbalism/a/090303.htm - Similar pages

If you want to sell your shit properly you would at least tell your prey to specifically type in Cnidium + Headache so that they could find that it helps all types of headaches. It's a miracle.

BTW I bet I have more letters after my name than you do [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by LeLimey on Feb 12^th, 2006, 7:18am

Nani I think I fell into the same trap as you regarding the word "hallucinogen". I was reading about absinthe and that being a hallucinogenic and asked all sorts of questions from my pet mental midget (you know who you are!) because I was curious.. and it's completely the wrong sort of stuff sadly.

I think there were a lot of red flags in this post, especially the phone number to order from. If, like kudzu, you could just go and get it at a local shop I might have been a little more ready to believe but having read everything I am 100% convinced this is classic troll.

Oh and Jmorgan? Just for the record, we aren't anti alternative! I've tried the kudzu, I'm currently using RC seeds as my only treatment barring O2.
The difference between you and me is that I know my HA's are caused by a dodgy hypothalamus (or pineal gland!). I may be full of shit like you but unlike you thats not what gives me a HA.

Eric, we love you and respect you ALOT.
Seeing you get so upset is hurting me, you're worth more. :-*
Love you lots big daddy!

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Kevin_M on Feb 12^th, 2006, 8:34am

on 02/11/06 at 22:55:32, jfrench wrote:

so u can accept my offer or continue to suffer, seeing what jerks and doubters u all are i actually hope u don't try it and keep suffering.

Quote:

I have a master's degree so I'd like to think I have a little sense,

I doubt the sense part now even more.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by chewy on Feb 12^th, 2006, 9:21am

Quote:

Warning - There are at least a dozen people here who just love to jump on newbie posters who think thay have a cure. They try and intimidate you with derogatory language and unsults to you intelligence. They want you to be very carefull what you say in your first postings and wait until you have long term proof of what works.

Ignore them and stay here long term to keep us informed of your progress.

Heres a better idea. Email him personally so we dont have to listen to his crap. Go away Frenchy and take your buddy with you.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Ueli on Feb 12^th, 2006, 9:46am

jmorgan52,you're full of shit again.

It's time for another colon cleansing.....

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by nani on Feb 12^th, 2006, 9:54am

on 02/12/06 at 07:18:17, LeLimey wrote:

That's all I was saying... maybe, just maybe, there might be something to this. I certainly don't suggest we all run out and buy some. It's available other places than the address posted, BTW. I'm just hoping that one of our learned researchers (you know who you are) might take a look at whatever "good" stuff might be in them. Remember the lady who posted about mangosteen juice? Everybody jumped on her. Then Flo came back with info that said it had potential.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by floridian on Feb 12^th, 2006, 10:13am

1. Kudzu is good for more than just hangover headaches. Check out some of the other threads on this board. It's not a 100% thing (nothing is for clusters) but many people have cut Way down on the pain using kudzu.

2. Cnidium is an herb of interest. I can't say it helps or doesn't help, but after doing a literature review, there are reasons to believe it might - see this link:
http://www.med-owl.com/clusterheadaches/tiki-index.php?page=Cnidium
It might also act as trigger in some people.

3. Be careful of cordyalis preparations. If it is a modest dose of cordyalis herb in an herbal formula, probably not an issue. But some Asian manufacturers have put large doses of tetrahydropalmatine into products to the point of toxicity.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by nani on Feb 12^th, 2006, 11:19am

Thanks for the info, Jonathan. :-*

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Dragnlance on Feb 12^th, 2006, 12:44pm

Quote:

Unlike Ueli, Rock Lobstrer, Edouble, Dragnlance, Chewy and co who just love to jump on anything alternative without being prepared to give it and try, and then proceed to put others off trying it because they instinctively think they know better than you do because of their wealth of scientific bullshit babble.

Actually, if you look at all my prior posts, I am normally nothing but supportive. BUT, I have been the victim of mircle cure scams before I found this place, and all of them were worded much like the first post that started all this.

I am open minded, and I DID do a Google search on it, and nothing I found on the first 10 results mentioned anything about headaches. Since I am always looking for alternatives, the first thing I did was look it up, BEFORE I made my post.

I don't mind being accused of something if I am guilty, but in this case, I don't believe that I was being too harsh. I have read posts going back to last summer on this place, and I notice that, as a rule, the people the really do have CH, post looking for help, whether it is understanding or questions. I have also noted that those that post a cure on the their first post, do not seem to be genuine.
It could be my perception, but then again, maybe not.

(ps - if you are real, then I hope you accept my apologies, but it does seem fishy that you selected a single specific store to promote)

Draglance

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Jonny on Feb 12^th, 2006, 12:52pm

on 02/12/06 at 12:44:51, Dragnlance wrote:

I have also noted that those that post a cure on the their first post, do not seem to be genuine.

DING DING DING!!!!!!

Top that off with calling us ass-holes and pricks and we have a troll!

Never apologise to a troll, Dragon dude!

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Dragnlance on Feb 12^th, 2006, 1:06pm

Quote:

Never apologise to a troll, Dragon dude!

*Grinz*
I have been told many times that I am too nice and polite.

I am even plesant to telemarketers, even as I tell them to remove my name from their call list... (although I am now registered with the do not call list, and no longer get these calls)

I do think that getting nasty and name calling is out of line, and it is possible to be able to argue claims made in any format, without degenerating into the nasty side of human nature.
Don't get me wrong, as I am not a goody two shoes, and I will use the language, but I try to avoid it when have an "intelegent" conversation. (knowwatImeanvern?)

Thanks Johnny for the encouragement!!

Dragn

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by chewy on Feb 12^th, 2006, 1:26pm

Quote:

I am even plesant to telemarketers

Me to. I ask them questions about their homelife, seen any good movies lately, the weather where they are, what type of vehicle they drive, etc. etc.

They always hang up, Ingrates.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Linda_Howell on Feb 12^th, 2006, 2:00pm

Quote:

seeing what jerks and doubters u all are i actually hope u don't try it and keep suffering. I have a master's degree

1. NO ONE with cluster headaches would EVER make
this statment.

2. I don't have a master's degree, but I certainly can
spell better than this. Must have recieved your
degree from No. Hollywood special Ed. school.

Linda

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Ueli on Feb 12^th, 2006, 2:06pm

A train of thought to this self-medication with over the counter herbs:

Let's assume this Cnidium contains the right (useful for CH) agent for lowering blood pressure. A cardiologist might prescribe 120 mg Verapamil to combat too high BP; but make a follow up to check it's in a safe range. How much of this BP lowering stuff does a 'recommended' dose of Cnidium contain? Surely, it must be much less than an equivalent of 120 mg Verapamil. Otherwise, it would be irresponsible, not to say criminal, to sell it over the counter. As we all know, 120 mg Verapamil is a very low dose for a clusterhead. Therefore, to get the desired effect you had to take many times the typical dose of Cnidium. Is that still safe? What about the anti-coagulating effect, would it be so high that you died from inner bleedings, like the rats poisoned by Warfarin?

Be careful about self-medication with "natural" stuff, "natural" isn't synonym to "safe".

A bad example, what can happen if you overdo natural remedies, is jmorgan. Although he cleansed out all the CH causing toxin deposits from his colon, he also cleansed out any rest of clear thinking and has turned skills to discuss (if ever present) to name calling.

Ueli [smiley=smokin.gif]

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by chewy on Feb 12^th, 2006, 2:37pm

Thats because Morgans colon is in very close proximity to his hypothalamus.

If you have tried every proven med and had no success then play around with the alternative crap. But guess what? This board isn't all about you! There are new sufferers that have had no ligitimate treatment that are getting side tracked needlessly by all this alternative med crap.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by FramCire on Feb 12^th, 2006, 3:28pm

How can anyone defend the original poster. He posted at 4pm on the day he bought this stuff that it was some cure-all. 4 PM!!!!!!! ON THE DAY HE BOUGHT IT!

He said he normally would have had 1 HA and he hadn't ..... 1 HA...... it MAY have stopped 1 head ache and he thinks it is a cure.

E-Double was completely respectful (as usual) and this clown starts taking shots at him? You lose any cred you might have when you take shots at people like him.

In all seriousness, anyone who says he hopes people suffer and don't try it can't be a decent person and/or they don't have CH, plain and simple.

Missed 1 head ache and he's cured? Please.

By the way, I ate some crackers and peanut butter the other day and my headaches werenot as bad as usual that day. Everyone should go out and buy generic crackers with peanut butter. They cure anything. (Hey my sample size is just as big and the causation is just as proven as this stuff). Sorry to be sarcastic, but 4Pm on the day he bought it and he acts like it cured him.

Anyway, just a side note about telemarketers, I ask them tons of questions and keep them on as long as I can so that they have less time to call old widows (who are considered automatic sells). I shouldn't have signed up for the no call list though. I hardly get any telemarketers anymore.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by chewy on Feb 12^th, 2006, 4:21pm

Quote:

He posted at 4pm on the day he bought this stuff that it was some cure-all. 4 PM!!!!!!! ON THE DAY HE BOUGHT IT!

Nice catch FramCire. Frenchy is a FRAUD!

Hows your colon now Morgan? A little plugged maybe?LMAO

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Dragnlance on Feb 12^th, 2006, 8:13pm

Fram, you have a point. [smiley=bow.gif]

I formally retract any apologies

Dragn

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Rock_Lobster on Feb 12^th, 2006, 11:55pm

on 02/11/06 at 18:41:42, jfrench wrote:

I don't currently have health insurance

on 02/11/06 at 22:55:32, jfrench wrote:

I have a master's degree so I'd like to think I have a little sense

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Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by jfrench on Feb 13^th, 2006, 5:19am

well it's 2 and 1/2 days with no CH's and i started taking the supplement exactly 2 1/2 days ago. it was almost 3 weeks (my 1st week was medium pain with unilateral right side pain with eye closing, last 2 weeks were excruciating up to 6 CH's per 24 hours, with eye shut)of straight agonizing pain and apprehension waiting for the next one. Please for anyone who does not doubt me like the people above take the chinese herbal supplemant 'cnidium & tea formula' 250 mg 3 pills/3 x a day and u will have instant relief. i am 30, i have never went to a herbalist or anything but let me tell ya, i will for now on rather than waste my money! i am not promoting any product get the herb/root whatever it is from any vitamin store, manufacturer, herbalist u want, i just want u to be 'cured' like me. maybe some of the people above have a point, i should go into business and market this to fellow CH sufferers because it works!!! instead of shooting up imitrex and becoming dependent or broke on meds, at least try this and i promise it will work!!! i am so happy that it worked i sent Amy, the woman who suggested and sold it to me (see top comment here) , flowers online tonight. to all u doubters try it, and i promise it will work. i refuse to get angry at the doubters anymore b/c i am truly trying to help CH sufferers like me, especially ones who are recovered painkiller addicts who should try the herbal, natural route. thanks and God Bless!!!! i never fely pain and uncomfort like i did, nor was i ever this happy to not have it. and it may not be smart but i had 3 mixed drinks tonight on a date and no CH from the alcohol (even though Amy told me no alcohol or caffeine-woops!). I SWEAR ON EVERYTHING CNIDIUM & TEA FORMULA WORKS---NO CH!!!! my scalp has still been a little tingly on/off, but as long as i get no CH i'm good. send me message with any questions-thanx. ps= when i bought the supplement amy did not say it would stop the CH's but minimize them at first and they would be gone after 2 weeks, then take supplement again if they return, but i swear it stopped the CH's altogether

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by jfrench on Feb 13^th, 2006, 6:22am

i gotta tell u , the members on this site get me very worked up, and i don't mean to be belligerent but it's not right when someone (me) tries to help others she/he doesn't know and they claim she/he is a fraud. Floridian, thanks for referencing the info u found. Call me stupid but i knew nothing about the supplement i ingested before i took it, that's how desperate i was. if u all want to think its a coincidence and maybe i was on the tail end of a cycle (it was my 1st cycle), let me tell ya, the day before was my worst with 6 CH's so i don't know but i'm hard pressed to think they would just go away. listen please, my Ch's are gone, i was not promoting any product or site, i just want everyone to feel better. if most of u spend hundreds on doctors and fda meds, spend whatever it is (i spent $18 on 100) and try this (u can get it different brands from hundreds of sites i don't care who, i'm sure there isn't a cnidium godfather who's gonna break me off w/commission for hustling his chinese fuckin herb), and if it doesn't work, then i will understand your argument, but u really can't discredit me til u try it. yes, i am a new Ch sufferer, and no, i don't use spellcheck or edit messages on a messagboard cuz i'm a busy dude. for those of u who asked for my # it's 843-241-1977, i'd be happy to answer questions, and for u jerks i'll be happy to uselessly argue w/u, but i'm from south boston so if u make fun of my accent, judging from ur screennames the jerks) and remarks, i'll be equally judgemental of your redneck, pabst blue ribbon laced accents (get a sense of humor). and yes. i suffer from CH's, is there another form of headache u get 2-6 times a day EVERY DAY and u look like a one eyed not a very nice person pirate banging ur head against shit around the house thinkin it will help and ur girlfriend asks if u r ok and u reply 'leave me alone'. i didnt stay up for the past 2 weeks sleepin on a cold leather couch cuz i wanted to, it's just the only place in the house i could be by myself yellin at the pricks on QVC to shutup while i punched myself in the temple and pressed my chranium full force against the end of the couch, while i squirted visine in my eye like it would have some miracle effect along with the 4 useless advils i chewed liked butterscotch. all i ask is u try it, and then u will tell ur self 'frenchy' wasn't bullshittin. cnidium, i don't know what the fuck it is nor do i care it works!! its an herb, so as long as it aint addictive or killin me i'm happy to be CH free. good freakin night.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by jfrench on Feb 13^th, 2006, 6:42am

and Linda_Howell, what word did I spell wrong (see above, i didn't start she did) besides abbreviating you as 'u'? Do me a favor, next time I go through the McDonalds drive-thru when you're working, and I ask for a vanilla shake with my combo meal, don't turn towards the window with your brown work pants on your ankles and start shaking your butt while u lip sync 'shake it like a salt shaker' while u grind with Billy and then turn and smile at me with ur teeth that look like tombstones, that's all i ask. please oblige or I'll tell ur manager Juan u were stuffing ur bra with quarter pounders :). OH, AND LINDA, HOW DARE U TALK ABOUT SPELLING, LOOK AT HOW U SPELLED STATEMENT & RECEIVED (wrong!!!) !!!! HA HA ( I SPELLED IT RIGHT, U DIDN'T, AND I KNOW HOW TO SPELL 'YOU', THIS IS WHAT WE CALL AN ABBREVIATION). Linda, u can't start a game with a Boston kid, cuz u'll never win. No, for real though, u make the best fries ever, love ya big mama.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by chewy on Feb 13^th, 2006, 7:18am

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good freakin night

What part of that didn't you understand?

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u can't start a game with a Boston kid

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Location: Studio City, CA, USA

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by vig on Feb 13^th, 2006, 7:50am

on 02/13/06 at 05:19:38, jfrench wrote:

i promise it will work.

...and when it doesn't, what recourse do we have?

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by LeLimey on Feb 13^th, 2006, 7:54am

Frenchy you remind me of the mustard. Yellow as a ducks foot.
Don't you dare talk to Linda like that, she is a valuable asset to this forum and a good friend. You aren't worthy to clean her shoes.
When you've quite finished your sales pitch we'll happily close the door for you, you won't find any takers here.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Melissa on Feb 13^th, 2006, 8:36am

FramCire, what brand of peanut butter? I want to write the name down so I don't forget it when I do my grocery shopping!!!! ;;D

jfrench- please learn how to paragraph your sentences. I ~~want to pretend to~~ cannot read your drivel due to the run-on sentences!! ::)

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by BobG on Feb 13^th, 2006, 9:05am

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I have a master's degree

Big fucking deal! There's dozens of people here that have the same. But, with a difference. Their's enabled them to get a job with good insurance. Even those that work at McDonald's have insurance.

About your spelling. I picked just one of your posts and found these: hey, talkin, i (many times) i'm, chinese, google, i'll, u, r, cuz, feelin. Is your shift key broken? The way you write is ok for the junior high kids but this is a grown up board.

You picked on the wrong lady when you insulted Linda.
You insulted the entire population of this board when you did that.

The best advice I can give you is that you go away.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by chewy on Feb 13^th, 2006, 9:29am

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The best advice I can give you is that you go away

Good advice but dont come back here to Boston. We dont care much for tough guys who jump on women.

But if you do then be sure to stop by my place.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Dragnlance on Feb 13^th, 2006, 9:31am

Well, I made an implication, but Obviously it was too subtle. SO let me restate.

Intelligent conversations do not degenerate into a line of swearing, name calling and picking fights.

While I have never had the pleasure of speaking with Linda, at this time, her posts show that she is an intelligent, caring person. I felt her post to be quite civil, unlike your response to her.

If you really do have a Masters Degree in something, (I don't recall you stating in what), then I suggest you start speaking like you do. So far your posts suggest that you might have a GED, but most certainly no post education whatsoever. Going by the way you speak in the posts, I would be temped to think you are more gutter rat with a stolen computer rather than an Individual with a high education.

If you cannot argue your point as a civil and polite Individual, your imput really is not welcome. We all have enough pain in our lives without inviting more.

(and yes, some of us here ARE educated, but find no reason to make claims to that effect, as education shows it's self in how one presents their arguments and conversations.)

Dragnlance

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by seasonalboomer on Feb 13^th, 2006, 9:33am

Dear Frenchy,

I'm sorry to see you get so worked up. Sadly, many of the people you have chosen to go to the mattresses with here, are some of the most knowledgeable and open-minded people on these boards. Many of us have had success with alternatives to what the pharmaceuticals offer us as answers. Many others (including some you chose to fight with) have actually tried more things than you will ever dream of ingesting and, choose to believe it or not, that makes them more knowledgeable and gives them a right to put a little heat on somebody that shows up and on day 1 is handing out phone numbers for the "cure".

I'm a Kudzu user. And if you really read the threads about Kudzu, you would have understood far more than you let on that you did when you went to the store. But, that's what we do here. We share data. We share experiences, good and bad. We are a forum, not a market. We help each other prepare for trips to the store, prepare for valuable time spent with doctors, ask for things that work that allow each of us to balance the potential risks associated with ANY treatment with the hell that CH brings to each of us in our own way.

If you stick and around a keep a copy of your first post you will one day see why many of us are skeptical. It has all the earmarks of the kind of post people use that prey upon those that suffer so badly, who are desperate for answers. Luckily we do have a community, and that community watches out for its members. We don't rely on one "monitor" -- many here are knowledgeable enough to spot a potential problem and empowered to do so.

I've never a met a single one of these folks on this board but I can tell you I have a bond with them. They've changed my life. You've only been a here a couple days.... and what have you done for the community?

Think about it a little and check out the link for O2.

Scott

(Oh, and by the way, my guess is that your cycle ended on its own. That is good too. Read on and prepare for your next cycle and learn what you can. There are many EFFECTIVE options that can help. But now is the time to learn.)

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Linda_Howell on Feb 13^th, 2006, 2:21pm

I'll tell you what? I'll change my 2 typos if you change ALL of yours. LMAO (that should keep him busy for a while ;))

Most important, is to apologize for this.

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seeing what jerks and doubters u all are i actually hope u don't try it and keep suffering. I have a master's degree

I'd like to give you a going away present. First...do your part.

Linda

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by FramCire on Feb 13^th, 2006, 3:49pm

Had you posted today that after 3 and 1/2 days you haad no more headaches, maybe your post would have been more meaningful, but to post that yhave something that works after only HOURS of trying it and only 1 headache missed seems foolish. Also, who knows why people mess around here and troll this board but do you seriously think missing 1 headache was enough to get so defensive about it that you got rude to respecful posters both male and female?

I am from massachusetts as well, so while I wouldn't make fun of your accent, I still take issue to how rude you were to decent posters.

Lastly, how can you claim to have CH and then wish ANYONE (even your enemies) to suffer more because they didn't think your 4 hour cure-all was as great as you did?

PS It was generic Peanut butter and round crackers that you find 6 to a pack that you can get a 12 pack of at any Walmart or grocery store. Of course, it could be the Verapomil and Melatonin that worked, but who knows.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by chewy on Feb 13^th, 2006, 5:58pm

Is that peanut butter made with verapamil and melatonin the chunky or smooth variety?

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Kevin_M on Feb 13^th, 2006, 6:32pm

on 02/13/06 at 06:42:10, jfrench wrote:

Linda, u can't start a game with a Boston kid, cuz u'll never win

Nice that you like to denote your roots of South Boston, the place mommy had to pull you out of kindergarten and cart your @ss across country to avoid the embarassment and begin life again. Attention grabbing crayon eating and worm slurping. Coming home wearing only your longjohns with straws still in your nose. The girls sure were tough on you and now it's payback time I guess.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by TxBasslady on Feb 15^th, 2006, 11:47pm

on 02/11/06 at 22:55:32, jfrench wrote:

I have a master's degree so I'd like to think I have a little sense

Uh....you need to see about a refund on that student loan you took out for your so-called education.

Whatever shit you been takin from the Asian broad, really screwed up your attitude [smiley=huh.gif] Actually, for whatever good it has done, you might as well have stuck it up your ass!

I'm one of those redneck folk that you seem to dislike. I don't "do" Pabst Blue Ribbon.....I do Kudzu. I pay $6.49 for it. That Asian broad really took you for a ride, homeboy.

BTW...my last name is French....what a coincidence. I sure hope I don't find out that we're related....cause you're a first class a$$hole.

See 'ya,

Jean

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Roxy on Feb 16^th, 2006, 10:59am

on 02/15/06 at 23:47:37, TxBasslady wrote:

[smiley=crackup.gif] Get 'em Jean.....LOLOLOL

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by jfrench on Feb 17^th, 2006, 9:07am

well u all seem to lose focus quickly from the subjeCt of this entire site. if u look at my posts from the beginning, i was trying to offer advice of something that helped me i did not expect to find, as i was looking for kudzu when someone at a a store insisted i try the cnidium tea formula instead for full effectiveness. this will be my last post and hopefully the diligent vets /sufferers on this site will research the supplements i'm taking and hopefully u all will try them and see i started taking cnidium & tea formula as a blessing(no particular brand order it where u can, 3 a day/ 3 x a day) ,i'm not full of shit. i didnt want to disrespect anyone but if u backtrack u will see i was verbally attacked from the beginning, accused of peddling chinese herbs, to being bad at spelling, to being inconsiderate, etc.,, and i think its disrespectful for someone to be jumped on for trying to help. I have not had any CH's since 2-11-06, and I have actually been able to work every day all day happy and free of eye-closing, eye/head/face pounding, maddening CH's. just try the cnidium/tea formula and i guarantee u will feel relief the 1 st day. I WISH EVERYONE WELL, AND I'M SORRY FOR RESORTING TO THE LEVELS I DID IN RESPONDING TO PEOPLE WHO FEEL I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. PLEASE, TRY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF I EVER GET CH'S AGAIN AND THE STUFF DOESN'T WORK I PROMISE I'LL LET THE SITE KNOW EITHER WAY, UNTIL THEN....... ;;D

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by Dragnlance on Feb 17^th, 2006, 9:18am

jfrench,

Thank you for changing the tone of your posts. I, for one hope that you did find something that works, and will be interested to hear if you continue to stay pain free.

An interesting experiment would be to stop taking the suppliment for a couple days to see if the CH attacks come back, and then start back in with the suppliment to see if it Stops the attacks once again. It would answer the question as to whether it was the suppliment or the end of your cycle.

Many pain free days to you!

Dragnlance

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by nani on Feb 17^th, 2006, 11:06am

Yes, thank you for changing it. :)
I'm still interested and would really appreciate it if you'd keep me up to date on your progress. I do like Lance's idea that you test it a bit. I understand your reluctance if you have any. But, as Mr Happy says, "Beta testing is hard work."
pain free wishes, nani

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by jfrench on Apr 28^th, 2006, 7:39am

on 02/17/06 at 09:18:01, Dragnlance wrote:

just an update peoples, the ch's never came back in my first cycle once i took this supplement, and haven't come back yet. I consulted w/ a neurologist friend of mine last week and he is in alignment w/ the assumption that this particular chinese herb supplement his and and has been a 'cure' for me and several of his other patients who had the same problem he wasn't able to treat. if you go to a chinese herb store, refer to the chinese name i mentioned in my first posts, b/c in different chinese regions/dialects, they refer to the chinese name the same. i was sent messages by 2 of this site's members and they tried this, and have not had a CH since. AND, BY THE WAY, I HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE NOW AND MY PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN CONFIRMED I MOST LIKELY HAD CH'S AND RECOMMENDS I CONTINUE THIS TREATMENT IF THEY RE-OCCUR. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM ANYONE WHO HAS TRIED THIS, AND I HOPE IT WORKED AS GOOD FOR YOU! THANKS.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by jfrench on Apr 28^th, 2006, 7:49am

on 02/17/06 at 09:18:01, Dragnlance wrote:

AND, SORRY DRAGNLANCE, BUT I WOULD NOT HAVE STOPPED TO SEE IF THE PILLS DIDN'T WORK B/C I WAS SCARED TO GET THE CH'S AGAIN. 5 A DAY WAS TOO MUCH WITH 1 EYEBALL OPEN. I'M CH FREE AND PROUD TO BE, AND IF I GET 1 SOON, I GOT THESE CHEAP ASS CHINESE HERBS READY! IT IS TOO BAD THAT THERE ARE SO MANY SKEPTICS, B/C I THINK PEOPLE HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO W/THEIR TIME THAN TO LIE ABOUT CURES AND RESPOND TO DOUBTERS. GOD FORBID I FOUND AN AILMENT...I WAS TRYING TO HELP, AND I AM STILL TOTALLY RESISTANT TO EVER OFFERING THIS TREATMENT TO ANYONE B/C OF THE REACTION , IT'S TOO BAD...IN REALITY THE PEOPLE ABOVE NEGATED THE WHOLE OBJECTIVE OF THIS SITE BY ATTACKING ME OFF THE BAT. YOU CAN'T TRAIN OLD, STUBBORN DOGS. FOR THOSE OF YOU IN METRO AREAS WHERE YOU CAN GET THIS, GO AND TALK W/ THE STORE, IF NOT DO A GOOGLE AND ORDER AND FEEL BETTER PLEASE.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by jfrench on Apr 28^th, 2006, 8:22am

on 02/11/06 at 18:41:42, jfrench wrote:

THE ACTUAL CHINESE TERM FOR CNIDIUM AND TEA FORMULA IS: Chuan Xiong Cha Tiao San

SO THEY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKIN ABOUT ....GET CURED PLEASE...

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by BobG on Apr 28^th, 2006, 8:57am

Who has the delete button today?

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by jfrench on Apr 28^th, 2006, 9:35am

BOB G, ARE YOUR CH'S NOT A BIG ENOUGH PAIN TO GIVE WHAT I SAY A TRY? IT'S TOO BAD BOB. TELL ME, WHAT WOULD BE MY MOTIVE FOR THIS OTHER THAN OFFERING WHAT HAS WORKED FOR ME? DO U THINK I'M A CHINESE HERB PEDDLER? PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKE THIS SITE WORTHLESS, ISNT THE POINT FOR US TO OFFER SUPPORT AND HELP TO EACH OTHER? TELL ME WHAT U ARE DOING FOR YOUR CH'S AND HOW MUCH $ AND TIME YOU ARE SPENDING. FOR REAL, PEOPLE LIKE YOU DISCOURAGE THE PROCESS OF SUPPORT. YOU MUST BE A MISERABLE GUY BEING SO SKEPTICAL. AND I HAVE THE DELETE BUTTON TODAY. I
just deleted you from the list of people i hope overcome ch's. Do me favor, do not get the last word in, cuz u took it upon yourself to get the 1st. go out and do something productive face to face, raTHER THAN TALK JUNK TO GOOD PEOPLE ON THIS SITE THAT TRY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE, OK.? SMILE OR SOMETHING, I'M TIRED OF YOU DOUBTERS, IT'S YOUR NEGATIVITY THAT MAKES GOOD PEOPLE UPSET. RELAX AND GIVE SHIT A CHANCE, HUH? YOU DON'T KNOW IT ALL BOB G. YOU REALLY DON'T. WISH U THE BEST W/ UR CH'S EVEN THOUGH I DELETED U CUZ U WANTED MY COMMENT DELETED. NEXT TIME YOU OFFER YOUR KIDS OR SOMEONE ADVICE, I HOPE THEY REALIZE YOU DON'T REALLY CARE. I HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN MISLEAD WOMEN AND MEN WHO SUFFER FROM THE SAME PHYSICAL MADNESS I DO, OK? SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE THESE BLOGS ARE MORE OF AN OUTLET FOR MEN WITH NO BALLS TO FINALLY SAY SOMETHING THAT PROVES, IN FACT, THEY HAVE NO BALLS. CUZ BOB G, REAL MEN, DON'T KNOCK OTHER PEOPLE FOR GOING OUT OF THEIR WAY TO TRY TO HELP AND OFFER SUGGESTIONS. YOU ARE A NEGATIVE PERSON, YOU NEED MORE THAN HELP FOR CH'S. WHY WOULD YOU SAY TO DELETE MY OFFERING IF YOU DON'T KNOW ME? I'M A GOOD GUY. YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO. DO ME A FAVOR, WHEN YOUR CO-WORKER SEND YOU AN EMAIL TODAY (IF YOU HOLD A JOB) , SEND A COMMENT BACK TO HIM AND ALL YOUR COLLEAGUES SAYING " WHO HAS THE DELETE BUTTON", AND SEE HOW FAST YOU DON'T GET APPROACHED. I'M GOING TO BET YOU HAVE A LIFE YOU AREN'T HAPPY WITH, OR YOU ARE JUST BORED. JUDGING BY ALL THE PEOPLE WITH SIMILAR ISSUES WHO TALK CRAP AND DOUBT ABOVE, MAYBE A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH CH'S STILL HAVE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE SELFISH SKEPTICS WHO RIDE THE WAVE OF DOUBT. HAVE FAITH, YOU MAY HAVE A FUNNER, MORE EXCITING LIFE. AND YOU MAY SOON BE FREE OF CH'S. PEACE BOB G THE *%$#

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by sandie99 on Apr 28^th, 2006, 10:11am

JF,

I read your posts about this "cure" (there are only treatments) for the first time today. I've been suffering from ch since 2001 and I have tried different sort of medications, both preventatives and painkillers. Even kudzu.

I'm in cycle and the only treatment I use now is Red Bull - it kills my hits in 5 minutes. I tried it because I read in here that some others have tried it with success.

I have soon finished my Masters (in journalism) and I've been studying in two countries. Yet you do not find me insulting other people in this board - nor getting angry because others don't try something which I have found useful with my ch.

The thing is that every ch sufferer is different and therefore different treatments work for us. If you're PF, great. But don't assume that the rest of us would be "jerks" just because we're not ordering what you suggest. We all believe in different meds and treatments. We all want to be PF and you should respect that others want to reach it in a different way.

Best wishes & PFdays,
Sanna

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by BobG on Apr 28^th, 2006, 10:13am

Have a nice day frenchy. ;;D

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by LeLimey on Apr 28^th, 2006, 10:51am

on 04/28/06 at 09:35:43, jfrench wrote:

...AND I HAVE THE DELETE BUTTON TODAY. I
just deleted you from the list of people i hope overcome ch's.....

You nasty little man.

Title: Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
Post by kayarr on Apr 29^th, 2006, 1:21am

Wow,
Jf you seem to have a huge need for credibilty. I am sorry you feel so powerless in your life. When you learn how to exchange ideas without expecting others to take your advice you will have a much richer relationship experience.
You have had no reason to insult some seriously supportive and caring people. You may have cut of your nose despite your face.
Mellow out man!