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Title: RC seeds / success at last. Post by MJ on Jan 27th, 2006, 1:18pm I am now at 10 days largely pain free. First if anyone is considering RC seeds read the clusterbusters info faqs on both psylocybin and LSA. Secondly remember this is just what worked for me and I am not reccomending my methods. Know yourself and use caution as this is not laboratory science. I am sure many of you have read the thread "RC seeds following squanto" on the next page. If so you know I have tried many ways to make the seeds work for me, some I included some I did not. I feel I can state with knowledge many of the effects of the seeds through self experiments in doses of varying degrees under 75 seeds. There is a point that dream state hallucinations can occur. These are very similar to the statements of DMT experimenters (little men etc.), but this takes for me a continuos and daily dosing with abuildup over time. The closed door effect that Flash mentions seems to dissapear with seeds at around 6 hours for me not 5 days. The most effective dose seems to be less than 20 seeds for CH and me. My method. On the night of jan 12, I dosed with 15 seeds hydrolyzed in water for just 4 hours. For 5 days following I dosed daily with 4 seeds in the morning and 5 seeds at night 1 hour before sleep. The seeds were powdered and allowed to absorb in my mouth without soaking first. By day 3, I was sleeping through the night. By day 4, I was allmost symptom free and day 5 with no symptoms at all. Day 6 reduced seeds to 3 morning and night. No CH Day 7 morning reduced to 2 seeds and night just one seed. No further doses since. For the remaining days till now I have been mostly CH free with some mild CH symptoms and zero complete CH. This morning I had my first ch on a very low scale level for all of 20 minutes. Time will tell if I need to dose again. The symptoms I experience now, tell me That CH is still with me but effectively blocked. My thought is that once an initial dose soaked in water has been ingested wether the following doses were soaked or not made absolutely no difference, and if anything the sublingual method worked faster and better. I generally felt the seeds very mild effect within 20 minutes. I feel that for me this LSA method works as a neutralyzing issue against whatever chemical buildup we are fighting. Like baking soda on acid. If and Only if the seeds have not lasted effectively with a single dose then this method may work for others. It was important for me to not skip a dose as once the LSA leaves the system around 20 hours the benefits cease and the seeds will no longer be effective at the lower doses. The only real side effect has been tiredness during dosing. For my severe CH I dont think for one minute that I have a cure only a method of control at last. MJ |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by carriefu on Jan 27th, 2006, 1:20pm mj, any nausea??any lightheadedness |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by MJ on Jan 27th, 2006, 1:26pm No nausea Some lightheadedness when I first tried the seeds 3 months ago. Did not reoccur after that. |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by carriefu on Jan 27th, 2006, 1:27pm this is so cool.. were you functional when first starting |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by MJ on Jan 27th, 2006, 1:33pm on 01/27/06 at 13:27:50, carriefu wrote:
The seeds made me functional yes. The CH did not. |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by ArCane on Jan 27th, 2006, 1:37pm RC and HBWR seeds work for me as well. Glad you found something that works. Give the beast hell ;). Best Wishes, Allen |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by carriefu on Jan 27th, 2006, 1:39pm im nonfunctional right now...ongoing shadows that never end.... nothing is working , and im rolling up my sleeves and getting ready to fight harder what can you tell me about these seeds?? |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by MJ on Jan 27th, 2006, 5:24pm They are little and round and pack a big punch :) Formal research has not happened much since the 1960s. I have been searching and reading on the seeds for months now as well as the research on hallucinogens, I feel like I dont know a lot more than when I started but I am convinced of the chemical relationships / interactions to CH. A good place to start is the clusterbusters site in the link on LSA. Only clusterbusters has any depth of info on the "seeds and CH". Use their links too. Check out the wikepedia and links on LSA Erowid is another informative place. Lyceaum (sp) any entheogen site, Even old church documents from the conquest of mexico where they wiped out all the old documented knowledge of the seeds have mention of them. Google will take you everywhere. Google in Rivea corymbosa seeds or Ololiugui or LSA. |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by Pinkfloyd on Jan 27th, 2006, 6:56pm on 01/27/06 at 13:18:43, MJ wrote:
Very happy for you MJ. Thanks for sticking it out and working out a program that worked. Your reports will help a great deal in the future. Whatever happened to Squanto?? Anyone know? Bobw |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by MJ on Jan 29th, 2006, 11:14am on 01/27/06 at 18:56:10, Pinkfloyd wrote:
Thanks Pinkfloyd Without your knowledge and help I might have given up long ago. Yours and Flashes efforts at opening this treatment to the world has been incredible to myself and many others. Your ability to team the minds of others as well blows me away. Your persistence in keeping this in the light is even cooler. Keep up the good fight and if ever I can be of any assistance let me know. MJ |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by MJ on Jan 29th, 2006, 11:17am PS: Squanto is still around. Sounds like he is doing fairly ok. Maybe he will chime in soon. |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by Beastfodder on Jan 29th, 2006, 3:15pm Really good news MJ, delighted you're getting p/f time |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by Squanto on Jan 30th, 2006, 8:51pm ATTA BOY, MJ ! (just remember it takes a lot of "atta boys" to make up for one "oh shit!") :-) :-) You've done a real service to us all in keeping such good honest records and passing the info on to our community. (I don't want to hi-jack MJ's thread - but I'm doing okay. Not perfect, but okay. When I get something helpful to throw out there - I'll post it. Thanks for asking.) Squanto |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by thebbz on Jan 30th, 2006, 9:29pm ;) Right on MJ. PF at last. PF at last. Clusterbusters do good work again. 2yrs PF thanks to the CB and friends. Congrats again, get some rest and catch up. jb |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by purple on Feb 2nd, 2006, 3:31pm Nice One MJ So glad you're getting some PF time. Later Neil |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by MJ on Feb 4th, 2006, 4:06pm Thanks all. Dosed again last night after 16 days with a one time dose of 20 RC seeds, due to just 1 or 2 continuing low level CH in the mornings. Kip 4-5s without any shadows. No CH this morning. Life is good, awesome again. I think we all tend to forget on occasion how really good it can be without continual reoccuring pain. Hoping everyone can find their days and nights to be pain free. MJ |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by MJ on Mar 24th, 2007, 3:02am bump |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by LeeS on Mar 24th, 2007, 8:33am Thanks for bumping this MJ – I missed it the first time. on 01/27/06 at 13:18:43, MJ wrote:
This I find particularly interesting. At what dose level and frequency of dosing did these effects occur MJ? As you know, there is very little information available in respect of continuous/multiple dosing due mainly to the supposed theory of tolerance and cross-tolerance; and what information I have found is often contradictory. Quote:
I have a hunch that (some) CH sufferers (including me) do not experience the extent of tolerance compared with other 'spiritual' and 'recreational' entheogen participators; but why so, is a mystery. Perhaps it is a case of our receptors staying open much longer than others because there is an inherent need to rebalance the action of the endogenous neurotransmitters and neurohormones that are known to be imbalanced amongst sufferers? As a simple analogy, it seems to me that specific neurons and receptors can act like a sponge; soaking up what is required until completely saturated, and then the CH stops until the sponges (inevitably) start leaking again. Due to the paradoxical nature of our disease, some sufferer's sponges need more soaking and unfortunately others leak more quickly. Too simplistic perhaps, but this may help us understand why multiple doses appear more effective for some, and more naturally speaking, it may also help explain the cyclical nature of the syndrome (even amongst CCH). Also, the "side-switching" phenomenon has to my knowledge never been explained properly in physiological terms. Perhaps when our 'sponges' have become completely saturated in one particular area of the brain, the brain then realises that others need some attention too. Anecdotal evidence suggests that side-switching occurs more readily amongst those who have experienced the alternative route, but this of course may just be a function of the usually more desperate (having tried most other options) sufferer profile (they may just be more prone to side-switching). Anyway, just thinking aloud really. Many thanks for the information on your multiple dosing regime and I hope it continues to be successful for you. I experimented a couple of years ago with a similar "sip-method" utilising very small multiple doses of psilocybin over a two-week period. I had some good results, but not as good as other more well documented methods. I shall consider this again in future with the seeds though, if needs be, as intuitively it makes very good sense to me. I'll keep you posted and all the best with it. -Lee |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by chrisw on Mar 24th, 2007, 12:02pm wow , that is soooo great for you ;;D your success gives others hope that there is something out there that may help them. thanx for posting your routine i tried the seeds the other day, but they didnt helpme . i did them without detox though. i am in a detox letdown of drugs now and i am still hoping that another shot at the seeds will help. good luck and many more pfds and nights to you chrisw |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by nani on Mar 24th, 2007, 12:06pm on 03/24/07 at 12:02:13, chrisw wrote:
Remember Chris, if you read MJ's and others reports... it could take more than one more shot. Stay strong. |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by Sandy_C on Apr 2nd, 2007, 1:28pm MJ, great news that the seeds are working for you. They work wonders for me, although our methods are different. Just goes to show, Ch is different in everybody, and methods of treatment are different in everybody. I'm episodic, with cycles every 18 to 24 months, each cycle lasting minimum 8 weeks, maximum 16 weeks. After my last cycle, I decided to try the Clusterbusters recommendation of trying a maintenance dose while out of cycle, in hopes of completely wiping the next cycle out. I dosed with 11 seeds once a month. When my cycle started showing signs of beginning, despite the maintenance doses, I upped the dose to 20 seeds, experienced no side effects, other than a feeling of relaxation, and tiredness. Almost a week later after the 20 seed dose, cycle began in earnest with a lovely K7 hit. Aborted the hit with 02, and dosed with 30 seeds. Again, only very mild lightheadedness, and again, a tired feeling. Re-dosed with 30 seeds 5 days later, and continued this dosage for another week, waiting 5 days between doses. Bottom line, my typical cycle of 8 weeks minimum, was completely aborted in less then two weeks. The hits I experienced were the initial k7, a couple of k3-4, and some shadows. Then, it was gone. Just gone. And, to Chrisw...One dose typically will not do the trick. And, keep in mind, after that first dose, you may experience some pretty intense CH hits It takes several days for the seeds to get in to your system and do their job. Hang in there...dose again...and let us know what happens. Sandy |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by chrisw on Apr 3rd, 2007, 9:28am Sandy, I am giving up on the seeds, after detoxing from verap, and depakote, my hits became soo bad, and soo frequent that I couldnt take it and I took imitrex. I know I am a weakling, but I had a cabinet full of trex, and I knowing they are relief, I gave in. Also, since I am on anti epileptic drugs, I dont think that they will work for me, although if I ever break this cycle, I am going to try maintence doses. Its worth a try. If I thought the verap wasnt helping because I was still getting hits, oh boy was I wrong!!! Holy crap I thought I was dying, had 3 nights of bad hits 45 min after getting rid of each hit, it was a nightmare, and I gave in to the pain. chrisw |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by bejeeber on Apr 3rd, 2007, 10:57pm on 04/03/07 at 09:28:17, chrisw wrote:
No weakling action going on there AFAIC. I'm trying the seeds pre cycle, but if I was in your position I bet I'd be going for the trex right now too. Hey the trex helped me tremendously in the past. One cycle I even avoided even having one single sustained CH over a C7. Of course I was also on all kinds of pred etc., and pulling the death and bankruptcy defying stunt of up to 5 (!!!!) full dose trex jabs a day. That's a dumb thing I don't recommend, especially now that I know of the half dose method. |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by chrisw on Apr 4th, 2007, 7:23am bee, glad you didnt have a heart attack, I know what you mean though. let us know how the seeds work for you pre cycle. PFDAN to all chrisw |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by kshodges on Apr 6th, 2007, 11:43am MJ - I am a newbie here - just introduced myself on the newcomers page. I am very inspired by your persistence with the seeds! I tried them about a month ago, and they seemed to help with intensity. The cycle ended about 3 days after dosing. I am chronic, so the cycle comes back every 3 weeks and lasts for 7 days (every hour). Lovely, I know. I felt shadows a few days ago and figured things were ramping up, so I dosed with 22 seeds this time (did 20 the first time). I was all proud of my pepper mill grinding! Having a tough time drinking it, though. Man, gag. Orange juice definitely helps. So far, my CH have been at bay - still shadows. :) This is tricky for me too, because I just came off a terrible attempt at birth control. So, I didn't expect any relief for at least a month or two. I am still experimenting, but so thrilled I saw your post with such details. I am anxious to see how it turns out for me...time will tell! Kelley |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by Sandy_C on Apr 6th, 2007, 3:22pm Chris, you are not a weakling, and never say that you are sorry because you did what you had to do to relieve the pain. You do whatever you need to do. No apologies, no ifs, ands or buts - do whatever works for you. When your cycle does end, give the maintenance dose schedule a try. It may abort the next cycle, or it may not, as was my case. But, I do feel it made a huge difference in my last cycle, and made it easier to knock the cycle out with repeated doses. Hang in Chris. Hugs Sandy |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by chrisw on Apr 10th, 2007, 9:55am thanx sandy trying to hang on, but dont think these stupid f**&&** things are ever going to go away. Hugs chrisw |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by Sandy_C on Apr 10th, 2007, 1:56pm Hang on Chris. They will go away in one manner or another. We get hit, the hit ends. Life goes on between hits. If you are episodic, the cycle WILL end, and life will be beautiful between the cycles. If you are chronic, the hits will still come, and the hit will end. Life goes on and is beautiful between the hits. Try to live between those hits and cycles. One of the hardest parts, beside the actual pain of CH, is learning not to focus on the next hit. It's going to come, no matter what, so live life to the fullest between them. I stick by what I said about rc seeds. My last cycle began in earnest on Jan 1 (actually on New Year's Eve - sigh - no celebrating). Within two weeks, my cycle was gone, with very few hits. I credit the seeds. I haven't dosed since the last dose in January, but Sunday night (Easter) I had something that wasn't quite a hit, but more than just a shadow at my usual hour, 8:30 PM. I had another shadow the next morning. I dosed with 30 seeds last night after work. Nothing happened at 8:30 last night, and slept like a baby, and nothing so far today. I thought that since I had broken the cycle in January, that life would be good for several months, so didn't dose with any seeds at all. I was wrong. I stretched out too long between doses (mid Jan to April 9). I'm going back on the once a month maintenance dose of 11 to 12 seeds forever. Get through this cycle using whatever you need to use to keep yourself pain free and functioning. Once the cycle has ended, give rc seeds some more thought. PM me and give me your e-mail, and phone number if you like, and I will give you mine. I'm here to talk to you whenever you need. Sandy |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by nani on May 16th, 2007, 11:06pm http://bestsmileys.com/bumping/3.gif |
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Title: Re: RC seeds / success at last. Post by billyjoe on Oct 27th, 2007, 7:22pm Bump |
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