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(Message started by: FZfan on Mar 17^th, 2004, 11:49pm)

Title: Speaking in tongues?
Post by FZfan on Mar 17^th, 2004, 11:49pm

Ran out of 02 the other night and did a real nice version of my k10 dance. This one ended with me on my knees and my head on the floor muttering god knows what. After the ordeal was over my wife commented that it sounded like I was speaking in tongues near the end of the attack. That got me to thinking, do ya suppose it's possible that people throughout history who have deemed to be speaking in tongues were just clusterheads doing their dance in public?

Just a thought. ;;D

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by t_h_b on Mar 17^th, 2004, 11:56pm

Probably, along with a few people burned for being witches and institutionalized for insanity. Quite a bit of addiction to pain-relieving substances throughout history might be attributable to CH, too. And many suicides.

Seem to recall something in the bible about plucking your eye out if it offends you, too. Might be CH-inspired....

I also have wondered if there is some relationship to autism considering the headbanging and other self-destructive behavior.

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by Mac on Mar 18^th, 2004, 12:23am

Personally I think there is a connection between epilepsy and clusters. The seizures just manifest themselves differently. Topomax is an epilepsy drug and some docs prescribe it for clusters. And a lot of epilectic seizures start during sleep/wake stages.

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by t_h_b on Mar 18^th, 2004, 12:41am

The MD who first diagnosed me said to think of a CH attack as a "vascular seizure". Still makes some sense to me. Definitely it's neurological in origin but I don't know much about the detailed processes involved in epileptic seizures.

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by BarbaraD on Mar 18^th, 2004, 6:59am

Hey, Vascular Seizures - not a bad tag for CH instead of HEADACHES!

And it makes sense - a lot of drugs are anti-seizure meds that help with CH.

But I do like that VASCULAR SEIZURES -- sounds a lot better (more intense) and maybe it would get a little more attention and I'll bet no one would say, Oh I had one of those one time - they're awful!!!

Hugs BD

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by floridian on Mar 18^th, 2004, 8:21am

Quote:

Personally I think there is a connection between epilepsy and clusters

Could be. Extreme pain can overload the nervous system and lead to unusual behavior. The disruptions in the neurotransmitters and brain anatomy could make cluster heads more susceptible to epileptic activity. Not sure that this has been studied in depth.

I think there is a connection between epilepsy and "speaking in tongues." The original mandate for the followers of Jesus to go out and speak in tongues referred to spreading the news in many languages - foreign tongues. Glossalalia (the so called 'prayer language' or 'speaking in tongues') is seen in many religions (including Voudou, African animism, Innuit religion, and Shinto in Japan) and there is no evidence it was practiced by early Christians.

http://www.meta-religion.com/Linguistics/Glossolalia/history_of_glossolalia.htm

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by pubgirl on Mar 18^th, 2004, 8:31am

I seem to remember reading that people were accused of being possessed or witches when they inadvertently ate too much ergotamine from eating infected wheat and danced about screeching and ranting.

Wasn't that something to do with St Vitus' dance or something.

Wendy

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by tnpruby on Mar 18^th, 2004, 8:42am

Oh god along w/ most of us , I too can relate , my husband has been staring at me and saying" I dont know what you were saying " after I had experienced an attack. I do believe along w/ the other posts though, maybe the witches in Salem were C/H sufferers. I found myself at times not being able to make any sense and bluttering out sylables. It happens...

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by ozzman on Mar 18^th, 2004, 9:36am

At the top of a K10, my behaviour if seen in public would be characterized as insane. Vascular seizures...I love that name!

What does a cluster attack look like? Any of you fans of Angel the TV series? Well whenever one of the original characters "Cordelia" was getting a "vision",she looked like she was in extreme pain, holding her eye, with the palm of her hand. Of course this only lasts a few seconds, but people can relate the to the sight of pain by the actress. Then of course you tell them, yeah, like that 30 min - 2 hours at a time, 4-10 times a day, 6-8 weeks a cycle and that is if you're episodic, cause you could be chronic....

Enough babbling for today

Ozzy

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by ckelly181 on Mar 18^th, 2004, 9:52am

on 03/18/04 at 00:41:48, t_h_b wrote:

The MD who first diagnosed me said to think of a CH attack as a "vascular seizure". Still makes some sense to me.

www.vascularseizure.com

::)That's not a bad looking address!

Chris

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by Karla on Mar 18^th, 2004, 1:30pm

I don't think there is any relationship at all. I attend a church where we speak in toungues and I promise you my church is not 1000 people all with cluster headaches.

Floridan you stated "and there is no evidence it was practiced by early Christians".
Read the book of ACTS in the bible. In ACTS chapter 1 120 apostles and disciples and Jesus mother Mary were all filled with the Holy Ghost as evidenced in speaking in other tounges. On the day of Pentecost 3,000 men (not including women or children) spoke in toungues and were filled with the Holy Ghost. Later a group of 5,000 men were filled with the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking in tougues. Latter a senturian soldiers whole household recieved the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking in toungues. Simon the sourcerer who latter became an apostle at first when he heard people speaking in tougues after people laid hands on them wanted to buy this power. He was quickly converted. You will find many examples throughout this book where it gives great detail of christians speaking in toungues.

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by FZfan on Mar 18^th, 2004, 2:36pm

Wow, I thought I was just making a stupid, flippant observation and look at the dialogue it generated. Cool!

I love Vascular Seizures! There was a small conversation about a better name for cluster headaches in another post, but this is definitely on the right track. How about Vascular Brain Seizures?

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by Opus on Mar 18^th, 2004, 4:54pm

on 03/17/04 at 23:49:01, FZfan wrote:

After the ordeal was over my wife commented that it sounded like I was speaking in tongues near the end of the attack. That got me to thinking, do ya suppose it's possible that people throughout history who have deemed to be speaking in tongues were just clusterheads doing their dance in public?

Not a chance, i do both but never at the same time.

Opus/Paul

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by jonny on Mar 18^th, 2004, 5:45pm

on 03/18/04 at 14:36:17, FZfan wrote:

I love Vascular Seizures!

Tell that to the co-worker you clued in to what you have.

You start dancing and he thinks "Seizures" and jams a spoon down your throat so you don't swallow your tongue.....LMMFAO ;;D

......................jonny

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by kim on Mar 18^th, 2004, 6:45pm

Interesting........and would explain a. LOT. :)

Speaks a. LOT
intongues.

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by vig on Mar 18^th, 2004, 6:52pm

somewhere between 'speaking in tongues' and Tourette's syndrome here.....

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by BlueMeanie on Mar 18^th, 2004, 6:54pm

on 03/18/04 at 17:45:52, jonny wrote:

Tell that to the co-worker you clued in to what you have.
You start dancing and he thinks "Seizures" and jams a spoon down your throat so you don't swallow your tongue.....LMMFAO ;;D
......................jonny

lmao

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by stevegeebe on Mar 18^th, 2004, 9:00pm

...please Jesus!....please Jesus!....please Jesus!!...on the cool bathroom floor.

Have I got my tongues on?

Steve G

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by bobkip on Mar 18^th, 2004, 9:43pm

Speaking in tongues? Well, yes. FRAZZBAZZ and GRYZORNISICH are just two that Judy has related to me while fighting the beast while I TRY o sleep thru an attack. Vascular seizures... love the term. So what do we do to get it universally adopted?
Kip

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by pubgirl on Mar 18^th, 2004, 9:58pm

Speaking in tongues?

I think they is talking about you Kimmy [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

W

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by FZfan on Mar 19^th, 2004, 12:18am

ROFLMFAO!

This is without a doubt the best time I have ever had while in a cycle. You folks are hilarious! [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by Charlie on Mar 19^th, 2004, 4:04am

Swearing in tongues maybe. That's cool but not as satisfying. It's a puzzlement. :o

Epilepsy and CH related? I have seizures but my CH has been gone for 13 years and I really don't think so. Too bad in a way because epileptics are much better treated by the medical profession. Everybody knows one or two epileptics, few if any CHers.

Off and on in history, some epileptics were treated as divinely inspired or often members of the dark legions of Satan. Ah me....For want of a better term, epilepsy can be called short circuit of a kind.

Calling CH vascular isn't new here. I use it and circulatory in my posting. How about a syndrome of kind? Vascular works well.

Good one Wendy. Now we know what Kim is doing most of the time ;;D

Fun........and interesting thread.

Charlie

Title: Re: Speaking in tongues?
Post by sandie99 on Mar 19^th, 2004, 5:11am

Now there's a thought!