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Title: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by pubgirl on Feb 26th, 2004, 1:22pm SORRY ABOUT LONG POST Calling all parents out there. I am at my wits end. The Git (alias 4 year old son), who ate anything that wasn't still alive in a truly legendary fashion when he was a baby now won't eat anything. This has been going on for a long time now, so isn't appearing to be a phase. He has an eating repertoire of about 5 things, two of which are healthy and will not try anything else. He is very thin of build anyway, but is starting to really worry me. After yet another infuriating day of cooking, then either eating it myself or giving it to the dog, I NEED IDEAS! I have tried: "this is all you're getting, you can go to bed hungry" - so he does! asking him what he wants (answer crisps and biscuits) asking him how I can get him to eat (answer, give me chicken nuggets) making sure he doesn't snack so he is really hungry (doesn't work) making stupid 'meals that look like animals' things (still won't eat them and they take hours) getting a kids cookery book and making stuff with him(he enjoys the making but doesn't eat the results) having friends over to get him to eat with others (they eat, he doesn't) Bribery only works if it is something he wants to eat anyway) I know there are loads of parents here who have been through this. Help please! Wendy |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by thomas on Feb 26th, 2004, 1:28pm Is he depressed, how are his other behaviors? Changes in appetite, can indicate other types of problems..... I'm stumped, I ate whenever and whatever I could growing up ( didn't know when the next meal was coming sometimes) lol. |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by pubgirl on Feb 26th, 2004, 1:43pm Good question Thomas but no signs of anything else other than being very wilful and determined (probably my genes at fault there :-[) Happy at school, has good friends, is very active, sleeps well, doesn't wet the bed etc. I'm trying to stay chilled about it in front of him and avoid battles of will. I'm being told he is "asserting his independence" but at this rate he's going to be very unhealthy. Wendy |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by thomas on Feb 26th, 2004, 1:49pm Somehow I think that the negative approach will not work in this situation (not saying you're doing that either) I think you are on the right track with the things that you are trying, do you know any pediatric nutrionalists or psychiatrists? Who may be able to shed some light on which path to take to get him to eat healthy? If not find a good story about scurvy and read that to him, maybe that will scare him into eating a balanced diet......... If I'm not mistaken you were the first nation to come up with a good preventive to scurvy ;) In all seriousness, I'm very concerned about your plight, I can not stand to see children suffer anything, even when it's their own doing. I wish you the best of luck in this. |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by amen on Feb 26th, 2004, 2:01pm It is not uncommon for children to slow down on their eating when they slow down on the growing. I am not a Doctor but i do have 4 kids. They say that they will eat when they need to. It sounds like you are doing the right things and I am sure he will be fine. But once again I am not a doctor and a mom always knows her child best. Here are some tricks i tried with my kids. BTW one of mine is 4 right now too. We are going through some similar issues. My kids like to snack, and I don't mind as long as they eat a decent dinner. Specifically with my 4 and 2 year old, i tell them if they can give me just 5 more bites (or whatever # I feel is reasonable) then they can have thier snack. then we count the bites together. The trick I throw in sometimes to try to get more than 5 bites is that I will turn my head when they take a bite and then say "Oh sorry mommy didn't see that one can we do it again?" (the counting of the bites also helps them with their counting skills) I also did this with my older 2 kids. They are 10 and 12 now. My 12 year old son is still a little "peanut". but he is healthy. It's worth a try. Good luck. :-/ Andrea |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by pubgirl on Feb 26th, 2004, 2:04pm Thomas Thanks so much for caring. It sounds so trivial in comparison with CH, but I feel like the building blocks for a healthy immune system and life are being missed and I am failing. It is such a worry as SO many adults now eat crap diets and are grossly unhealthy (The USA is amongst the worst in the world I think but we are close behind) and children are following suit. The healthiest the Uk has ever been as a nation was during and after the war when food was rationed and people ate what they grew often. Perhaps we should ban fast food completely. George takes Jelly sweet vitamins every day which luckily he doesn't realise are good for him and I fill him full of milk and orange juice AFTER meals to try and at least get some goodness into him. I have taken advice from the medical profession and health visitors, but they just advise all the things I'm doing that aren't working! I'll go away and stop obsessing now :'( Thanks again Wendy |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by pubgirl on Feb 26th, 2004, 2:06pm Andrea Good idea, :D I wanted to hear from people with 'real' experience, not the theorists as I've read the theories, so thank you for taking the time to post Wendy |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by Opus on Feb 26th, 2004, 2:18pm Wendy, My cousin at one point in time would eat nothing but canned spaghetti, He eventually grew out of this phase and lived life normally. I am not sure where he lives now but he did live in france for a while teaching english. Unless the doctors say he is malnourished I wouldn't worry about to much. Also it may be good if this last a long time to have him checked for food allergies, some times they can cause no symptoms but mouth pain which would make eating less attractive. Also if he is eating fine at school them he probably just hates you LOL. Opus/Paul |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by amen on Feb 26th, 2004, 2:51pm No problem Wendy. Isn't Thomas a sweet heart!? ;) I also wanted to Thank you for the info on the "M" word. ;) Andrea |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by Tiannia on Feb 26th, 2004, 3:02pm My daughter from the time she started eating table food until she was 3 would not eat any meat. All she wanted was corn and mac and cheese and would not touch anything else. And yes I tryed everything the going to bed hungry and all that stuff. It just did not work. Eventually she tryed chicken nuggets and then she added that to her only meal for about 1 and a half years. They whole time I talked to the doctor because I know what she should be eating different types of food and I did not want her to be mal nurished. The doctor todl me that I was fine. That I just made her meal and cooked for the rest of the family. We have always done the counting thing to get her to finish what was on her plate. I got really good at looking at what was left and knowing what would finish it up 5 or 8 bites whatever. After about the age of 5 and seeing what mom and dad where eating she would try stuff off our plates. And eventually started eating what we ate all the time. I still have special meals in the frig or freezer that she picks out and if she hasa had a really good day or whatever then she can pick her special meal and not eat what we are having. One of the things that I started was that her snacks where apples or oranges or bananas or whatever as long as it was a fruit. That way I know that she was still getting vitamins and nutrients. Wendy you are doing the right things. Just stay patient and dont blow your top. Tiannia |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by Gena on Feb 26th, 2004, 3:04pm My little one would eat anything hen he was little then at about 3 all I could get him to eat were PB&Js and Hotdogs. He will be 8 this March and has added only a few (and I mean few) things to this list. I just make sure that he gets a Vit. every morning (gummy ones work the best) He will also drink those Vit drinks. All though he is thin the doc says he is healthy so I try not to worry about it to much. I say go with the flow Just give him extra vit Gena |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by Cathi04 on Feb 26th, 2004, 3:12pm Wendy!!! This is one I of which I actually HAVE some knowledge!!! being a seasoned parent...and a grandmother, I might add(ya wanna see his pics?)....I went waaaaay back in my memory banks, to when Dana & Todd were wee ones...Andrea's info is right..seems like, especially Todd..when he had a spell where he was ravenous, it was always followed by a trip to buy new clothes...he'd grow out of everything!! Dana was a bit more subtle, I think..and never as picky as Todd..why, at 28, I refuse to cook for him, coz he still has a limited menu of choice. I kept peanut butter and carrots around all the time, he ate a Lot of cheese, and we are big on milk here..so I knew he wouldn't starve...when I let go of my fears of starving him to death, things seemed to improve...Michael, now 6yrs old, is doing the eat n grow thing, too...must be some truth to it...Michael is, of course, a perfect specimen! ;) Now, how do I explain to Gil that beer is NOT a food group, and get him to eat his veggies??? :-/ Wendy..you're a good mom!! George is gonna be just fine!!! Cathi |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by amen on Feb 26th, 2004, 3:14pm Good Point Tiannia! About the snacks. I meant to add that too. Not to say we don't have junk food, but I try to limit the snacks to fruit, nuts, popcorn, peanut butter & crackers. Not the healthiest, but healthier than cookies and chips and stuff. Andrea |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by bobkip on Feb 26th, 2004, 3:23pm What everyone said and a little more. We raised 2 kids, now 42 & 43, and went thru the same thing. At one point, our daughter dicided she didn't like bacon or hotdogs so she'd load her mouth with it and go to the bathroom to spit it out. That ended when she forgot to flush. Just give it time, before ya know it he's gonna be eating you out of house and home. Kip |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by Margi on Feb 26th, 2004, 3:32pm Wendy, you've already answered your own question. He's FOUR. Terrible Two's got nuthin on the Fearsome Four's. I tried to rent my daughter out when she was 4 - no takers. She had gagging down to a fine art (especially lovely with mashed potatoes) and developed a fine knack of only doing it when I was watching her. Best defense? Ignore it. Serve him what you want him to eat. Give him a reasonable timeframe in which to consume it (even leave him sitting at the table after you're finished), then remove it, regardless of what he's eaten. Nothing else, outside of meals. No cookies, bedtime snacks. This may sound cruel, but he will eat when he's hungry. It will be hardest on you, Mum - four year olds have amazing constitution and I think this is when they discover their own stubbornness. It's a battle of wills at that age. My daughter is about to be 22 and she and I both survived her fourth year. It was touch and go a few times, but we made it. You will too, Wendy - now's really the time to establish the house rules though. Trust me on this one. 4 year olds can quickly become Pack Leader if you let 'em. ;) |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by kim on Feb 26th, 2004, 3:42pm Doc says he's oK? He's most prolly jes fine....he is just honing his skills. Wait till he's a teenager. You'll wonder why ya didn't starve him when ya had the chance ;;D Good luck Mom. Hugs*** Anudda mudda ;) |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by BruceD on Feb 26th, 2004, 4:23pm on 02/26/04 at 15:32:42, Margi wrote:
Margi's got it spot on. Four year olds are starting to understand how much control they have over their own lives. It's also a time of amazing growth spurts. All 3 of ours went through the "don't need food" stage around that age & are none the worse for wear. Just keep setting a good example for him with the foods you eat & he'll come around eventually. Our middle boy had 3 food groups ... the sugar group ... the milk group ... and the fried chicken group. When we expressed concern to our pediatrician, he laughed ... and said that it was normal and that a daily vitamin would quell mom & dad's concerns. I must say that he is still a picky eater (at times) but he now eats a well balanced & healthy diet. Hang in there, BruceD |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by pubgirl on Feb 26th, 2004, 5:13pm Thanks so much girls and boys, old friends and new! I can't tell you how much better I feel after reading these. I asked around the other mums and although they had picky eaters, none seemed as bad as George which worried me even more. Now you mention it Andrea and Cathi, he does eat more (still not much) when he is in a 'manic' active growing phase, though this only lasts about a week or so. I will take your advice as you are all pretty much saying the same thing. So I shall: TRY and stop worrying Keep going with the jelly vits and the juice Be comforted by the fact that he eats brown bread and Marmite sandwiches and drinks strawberry milk and eats apples (that's pretty much his diet with chicken nuggets and chips and ketchup) Just keep hiding veg in things where I can get away with it. I am much happier now. :D Thanks Wendy |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by Cathi04 on Feb 26th, 2004, 5:29pm so, then, Wedy....how are you gonna help me with my 57 yr old...he's soo damn cute..but he won't eat his veggies...... George...be a good boy for your mum! |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by pubgirl on Feb 26th, 2004, 5:36pm Cathi Try Tempura. I've seen people who hate veggies love them cooked like that (not George though!) W P.S. George is rarely a good boy for his Mum, but usually is for everyone else. Typical stroppy 4 year old! |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by Tiannia on Feb 26th, 2004, 6:12pm on 02/26/04 at 17:36:20, pubgirl wrote:
I dont think they get any better with age. My daughter is 6 and I still have people tell me how great she is and I wonder who they are talking about. Now my 18mo old son wraps everyone around his finger with the crocodile tears ever time he hears the word "no". ::) Wendy, you will do great. He will eat what he needs to and one other thing. My doc told me this when I was preggers and was craving of all things lemons. That when you really crave something it is because you are lacking something in your system that that food has a lot of. So if George asks for something (obviously sugar is not a good example hehe) then try and get it for him cause he might be needing it. Tia |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by Paigelle on Feb 26th, 2004, 6:44pm My 3 1/2 yr old has stages of what he will eat. One week it will be mac & cheese, the next week peanut butter, then chicken nuggets. Never what I want him too!!! So now, I just wait until he tells me he is hungry and feed him, that way he will pretty much eat whatever. |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by kim on Feb 26th, 2004, 8:13pm The day will come when your child (along with 12 or more of his/her associates) will pass through the kitchen in the manner of some sort of assailant wind and you will look forlornly at your pantry and contemplate bankruptcy or room rental............... I sure hope i dun't get a toothace :D $$$$$$$$$$$ :D |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by BobG on Feb 26th, 2004, 8:27pm on 02/26/04 at 18:12:14, Tiannia wrote:
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by fubar on Feb 26th, 2004, 9:54pm Wendi, If I was four and in England, I wouldn't eat either. :P Try some exotic AMERICAN food on him. hehe -Fu |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by kim on Feb 26th, 2004, 9:59pm Sean, No offense but.............west coast bran sprout samidges ain't exacly nirvana 8) Chain smoking, fat and cholesterol lover |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by Prense on Feb 26th, 2004, 10:02pm on 02/26/04 at 21:54:18, fubar wrote:
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by cootie on Feb 26th, 2004, 10:33pm All my kid would do is EAT when that little.....all she wanted to do was eat......her only goal in life was to eat..couldn't get her interested in anything but EATING !! We'd take her for a ride and she'd complain about not eating.....couldn't get her out of the house cuz she said people were all in there houses eating and why we didn't see anyone down the road when I'd MAKE her git out a bit and go trail ridein the horses with me so I could git out at least. How come everything I do is OPPOSITE. Must be an abnormal gene ! Anyhow......my grand son is doin the same thing with the eating ordeal......he's 6 now and still way too picky and they have to make him take TIME OUT and sit and eat so much before he can leave the table otherwise he will not eat nothin. My freinds 3 year old is doin the same thing also....must be a faze.......wish I could go thru that faze of not wanting to eat all day. Wouldn't that be nice !!!! Food for thought Pam |
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Title: Lousy Parenting advice Post by Mr.Happy on Feb 26th, 2004, 10:39pm Wendy.......whenever the little roach yells specific hunger, let him know you're out of it. Sooner or later, he'll get the idea. Meals served 6:40 AM, Noon and 6 PM. Eat it or beat it. This ain't DisneyWorld, RJ |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by pubgirl on Feb 26th, 2004, 11:18pm Aha Fu! That's it. McDonalds are all part of Bush' masterplan for America to dominate the world in every sphere of life. I get it now.!!!! The reason my George likes American food best is that there are mind control drugs in it, paid for by the Bush administration. I understand now, it's nothing to do with my deluded attempts to make him eat food with names like "Toad in the Hole" or "Shepherds Pie". W |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by thomas on Feb 27th, 2004, 8:41am on 02/26/04 at 23:18:46, pubgirl wrote:
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by aprilbee on Feb 27th, 2004, 9:10am Same problem with my daughter, she's now 11...my grandma told me "feed her what she'll eat" went through cans of green beans like toilet paper at one point. Lots of great advise! Just wanted to add my 2 cents. Kids, gotta love 'em! ;) |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by Peppermint on Feb 27th, 2004, 9:40am Happy.. you're right. Specific hunger not an option, especially on a tight schedule. That might not apply to you Wendy, but I find giving too many choices is basically too much control for my liking... ::) Weird though, my daughter never liked all the kid stuff considered kids favorites, like macaroni and cheese, peanut butter and jelly, hamburgers, fish sticks or anything mushy. Her favorites - garlicky pickles and raw baby carrots. Go figure. Good luck Wendy, as long as he get his vitamins, and doc says he's good, it shouldn't be a problem. No cleaning the plate at this house! Pep |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by tsayswhy on Feb 27th, 2004, 9:57am Hello Wendy i've been dealing with this for 12 years. MY girl will not eat she don't like anything. Pizza,anything to do with hamburger No cold cut meats you name it she will not eat it. Hell she dont even eat hotdogs every kid like hotdogs :-/.She will eat just the bun with ketchup. I've taken her to see a doctor and the first thing they told me she will not starve herself. They will eat when they are hungry. this is what i do with her: limit the drinks to 3 /8ozs of milk and 4/oz of juice. aloud her to pick one meal a day what ever she wants and with each meal she picks one thing she would like. Hold back on snacks offer apples banana ect. cut the cookies, things that are high in sugar. Try offering a peanut butter sandwich for breakfast or pizza Just away to get them to start eating they think they won. Use(multivitamin) but like i said she is 12 now and still going through this but i've learn to make sure she gets the food groups just at different times of day. Trying to change them or getting mad don't work they have a mind of there own. Its frustrating i Know :( tari |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by Cerberus on Feb 27th, 2004, 1:21pm Quote:
Coots! My youngest has the same problem. She is ALWAYS hungry, first we thought mebbie its a growth spurt....not the case, she plans the day prior what she wants to have the next day, she has even gone so far as to eat everything to avoid letting her sister have any for fear that she won't get her share if she doesn't....now she herself is worried about her weight (only 10yrs old) and asked both my wife and I to buy her some slim-fast so she could diet!? WTF! starting to worry as a parent. Anyhow....My tactic as a parent to get a child to eat would try to remain simple. If you are worried that your 4 yr old won't eat, then do this....buy only healthy foods at the market, this way when he DOES want to eat there will be only stuff that is good for him available. Then I would considder one of the next two options. Reverse psychology, Make dinner for everyone BUT him. and when he asks why there is no food for him tell him the truth....I don't cook for people who don't eat. Again....in the refridgerator there is nothing unhealthy to make or have and his choices are limited. The second option would be.....don't feed him, unless he is ready to eat......it will eventually work. He's gotta get hungry sometime. not tactics I would reccomend more than use from necessity. On a different note, there is an EXTREMELY RARE condition ( cant remember what its called) that people have that makes them think that they are going to starve to death if they don't eat right now. Woobs knows a couple with a 2yr. old with the condition, the symptoms are that the affected will litterally eat themselves to death by eating EVERYTHING in the house in one sitting, no matter what it is. Cooked or uncooked it doesn't matter, they will eat it. They genuinely feel as if it will kill them not to. And as a result they have to keep their cabinets and refridgerator locked at all times. NOTHING including in-edibles can be accessed. It seems to me that there HAS to be a counter condition that produces the opposite. Also...when I was younger (very active) especially in summer when activity was at its peak, I would frequently not eat because it made me feel nauseous, this was because of the level of my activity. The docs said that it was normal to eat less during times of extreme activity/exercise and as long as I did eventually eat and remained hydrated there was nothing to worry about. Not my best advice, but if it works, it works I suppose. Good Luck and keep us up to date. Ramon |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by pubgirl on Feb 27th, 2004, 3:45pm This is all great advice, thank you so much everyone for all the time you have taken to reply. :D After the complete frustration and worry was boiling over yesterday, hence the post, he seems to be trying to be good today. He knows when Mum is really pissed off, even though I try not to show it. He didn't eat too badly today, although he insisted on "one spoon for me, one for you", which buggered up my diet. Never mind, at least he ate something. I am now letting him have one meal of more or less what he wants each day (probably nuggets or pasta), then concentrating on him eating a healthy breakfast as he is often slightly hungry then, and only wholemeal sandwiches, fromage frais, apples and a vile thing which I don't know if you have over there called Cheese Strings as snacks (it is processed cheese but no additives so it is at least dairy protein, it just looks and tastes nothing like real cheese!) I am going to settle for that for now, try and chill out about it and hope that this passes soon! Thanks again everyone Wendy |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by Cerberus on Feb 27th, 2004, 4:13pm Just thought of sumthin else!.... You could bribe him with the threat of vitamins.....i.e. "If you don't start eating regularly, you'll have to take these." Get the REAL BIG ones that you can't chew....hehe I know, sadistic? cheese strings? We hve string cheese, usually mozzarella formed into a string and cut into lengths? I was a picky eater too, wouldn't eat any dairy products besides milk and mozzarella cheese.... good to hear the little man is at least eating SOMETHING Ramon |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by Tiannia on Feb 27th, 2004, 4:42pm My son at this point eats great at school during the week. A huge beakfast even though he gets cereal before we leave the house and usually eats seconds at lunch but wont eat dinner. And then on top of it he usually wont eat on the weekend very much. I was feeling like the worlds worse cook but the doc says that he is eating well there because he is with kids his own age and they are all eating so he does and that him eating very little at night is actually a good thing as he is less active. So I have given up making him a plate at all and he just eats off my plate during the weekend and then I know exactly how much he eats. So I get used to the one spoon for you and one for me cause he gets mad if I take more then one bite between him getting some. But if makes him eat. Dont know when I will ever get my own plate again, but hell at least I dont eat so much ;;D Glad you are feeling better Wendy, You are not alone... Tiannia |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by boomboom on Feb 29th, 2004, 11:49am Try this. . . 1) At the start of each meal, junior has to eat 4 bites (because he is 4 years old) - and I mean 4 REAL bites not just nibbles of whatever healthy thing you choose - fruit, veggie, etc 2) After successfully eating 4 bites of good stuff, he can now eat his regular meal of biscuits, chips, nuggets or whatever. 3) This will eventually work because he is hungry at the start of the meal and will give in to hunger pangs plus he still gets to eat his junk. Expect resistance but stick to it and it will eventually become a routine you both can deal with. 4) And yes, mommy still loves you even if you are a little Git. You need to stick to your guns in a loving way. He's just testing his limits. |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by t_h_b on Feb 29th, 2004, 12:58pm on 02/26/04 at 13:22:27, pubgirl wrote:
I'm not a parent, but if I could get that much attention from the most important person in my life by refusing to eat anything except exactly what I wanted to eat, I'd do it, too! He gets all the prizes! You're just making too much fuss over it. A lot of kids do this. At least he eats more than one or two things. The best solution is to just let the kid eat whatever he wants to eat and don't give it a second thought. Don't say anything about it. Don't even let him catch you trying to ignore it. The only rule should be to make him stick to regular meal- and snack-times. |
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Title: Re: Parenting advice. Not CH Post by Edna on Feb 29th, 2004, 2:44pm Wendy, great advice here. But remember, you're doing a great job. I've been there....my oldest son wouldn't eat anything but..... mayonaise on bread GO FIGURE!! And it was my mom's fault for introducing it to him...lol So.....worry wart Edna took him to the doctor. I told him the problem. The doctor looked at me then as if "I" had the problem. He said...."Well mom, what's the problem? Buy the child mayonaisse and bread and let him eat when he wants to his heart content." And I had to pay him for that....LOL So, I bought many jars of mayo, and lots of fresh bread. Eventually, he ate different things...and now at age 21 he cooks his own weird foods...lol I think the most important things to remember.... - the multivitamin - NOT limiting anything he wants to drink, especially milk or juices - NOT making a big deal of it, and reminding others to leave the issue alone - NOT forcing him to eat ANY amount of ANYTHING (I think this could lead to overeating later in life) - NOT punishing, or alienating him for not eating what YOU want him to eat most important........continue to LOVE him....and let the food issue just be a side issue he will out grow. Hope I helped, and hope your days get better with your lil one. I'm sure they will hugs, EDNA |
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