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Title: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by DJ on Feb 1st, 2004, 10:35pm Ok, did Justin bust out Janet's top at the end of their song and make her tit fall out? Or, was it just me dreaming? It all happened so fast! LOL Somebody help me out here! |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Mastifflvr28 on Feb 1st, 2004, 10:38pm Yup, saw that...had ta think bout that fer a while. Then I called Kaleb and he said he heard about it on the radio, LOL. 13 year old, says, hey Janet got her boob exposed at half time, lol. omg Mast |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Mr.Happy on Feb 1st, 2004, 10:52pm on 02/01/04 at 22:35:16, DJ wrote:
Where's instant replay when ya need it. Shit, RJ (Great game, down to the wire, who gives a Rat's Patute who won....it was fun.....) |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by DJ on Feb 1st, 2004, 10:52pm Good. So it wasn't just me. Yeah, I had to think about it the entire second half! LOL Where in the hell did that come from??? Janet looked surprised for the split second you saw her react. I wonder if it was planned, or if Jason did it by accident? I'm sure we'll hear more about it. Anyone tape it? |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by chronic_chic on Feb 1st, 2004, 10:57pm My roommate thought it was an accident, and my mom thought it was planned. I was at choir rehearsal and missed the halftime show! I wanna hear what the tv commentators have to say about this... My mom said that the halftime show could have been geared a little more towards the diverse audience watching the game....she's not a fan of kid rock, etc. ! At any rate, it was a great game for what I saw of it! ~Lizzie |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Wifeofchman on Feb 1st, 2004, 11:37pm I wasn't part of the show and it will be the last time MTV produces the halftime show. Are those real mams or what? I thought she had implants. |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by fubar on Feb 1st, 2004, 11:37pm I'm not so sure... I saw it too, and I think it was a setup, and possibly was supposed to look like she was exposed but probably not in fact real. It did make me think. The reason I doubt it is it happened just as the song ended with the words, "I'm gonna have you naked by the end of the song' then *rip* and instantly lights out. Course, I had to rub one out after that anyway. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by BillyJ. on Feb 1st, 2004, 11:57pm http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040202/ids_photos_en/r1453538398.jpg |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Edna on Feb 2nd, 2004, 12:05am Hey DJ, guess men don't pay attention to JUST the game anymore....LOL I certainly thought the same thing when it happened too, then thought......NAH.....no way!! My son said Yes way, that's what we saw.......just like Lil Kim (whoever that is...lol) wore at the Grammy's or wherever. Guess he knows...lol BUT, you think it could have been her on field when the 2nd half started again?? ...LMAO......maybe running from a thrill of exhiliaration from the locker room where the two of them had a reunion rendezvous??? LOL Well, I really started out watching to see the outcome of the game....lol EDNA |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by KingOfPain on Feb 2nd, 2004, 12:08am Sunday, February 1, 2004 CBS apologizes for bared breast Associated Press NEW YORK -- CBS apologized on Sunday for an unexpectedly R-rated end to its Super Bowl halftime show, when singer Justin Timberlake tore off part of Janet Jackson's top, exposing her breast. "CBS deeply regrets the incident," spokeswoman LeslieAnne Wade said after the network received several calls about the show. The two singers were performing a flirtatious duet to end the halftime show, and at the song's finish, Timberlake reached across Jackson's leather gladiator outfit and pulled off the covering to her right breast. The network quickly cut away from the shot, and did not mention the incident on the air. Timberlake said he did not intend to expose Jackson's breast. "I am sorry that anyone was offended by the wardrobe malfunction during the halftime performance of the Super Bowl," Timberlake said in a statement. "It was not intentional and is regrettable." Wade said CBS officials attended rehearsals of the halftime show all week, "and there was no indication any such thing would happen. The moment did not conform to CBS' broadcast standards and we would like to apologize to anyone who was offended." The Super Bowl halftime show, which also featured Puff Daddy, Nelly and Kid Rock, was produced by MTV, CBS' corporate cousin in Viacom. "We were extremely disappointed by elements of the MTV-produced halftime show," Joe Browne, NFL executive vice president, said. "They were totally inconsistent with assurances our office was given about the content of the show. "It's unlikely that MTV will produce another Super Bowl halftime." MTV issued a contrite statement in which it also apologized, saying the incident was "unrehearsed, unplanned, completely unintentional and was inconsistent with assurances we had about the content of the performance." |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Edna on Feb 2nd, 2004, 12:10am HEY, just had another thought that would explain it all. Perhaps Justin was watching all the ads along with us prior to his half time performance. AND, with all the ads about "Cialis" well hey, he's young........thinking of his part he didn't need the drug for an erection. LMAO what a show |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by DJ on Feb 2nd, 2004, 12:13am Thanks fot the links guys! Ok, I've seen a picture. I know I'm not crazy now! lol It HAD to be planned! Looks a little too floppy to be Janet's real/fake booby. Of course, I've never seen Janet Jackson's boobs... but I do have an image in my mind! [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by TxBasslady on Feb 2nd, 2004, 12:23am LMAO....Edna And they say that shit lasts 36 hours??? :P Say to contact your Doc if the erection lasts longer! :o Good Holy Grief............... ::) I am still LMAO.........must be some gooood stuff !!!! Jean |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by fubar on Feb 2nd, 2004, 1:05am Well, I'm convinced it was real, and planned. How does one accidently wear a top with a rip-away breast cover? I don't think so. Planned all the way. Janet is a rock star. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by don on Feb 2nd, 2004, 7:12am Quote:
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by JDH on Feb 2nd, 2004, 8:33am on 02/02/04 at 07:12:33, don wrote:
As did Jim ;;D |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Paigelle on Feb 2nd, 2004, 8:53am Now see, I thought I was crazy or just repressed the memory of seeing the boob incident, until someone happened to show me a pic this morning. |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by benj on Feb 2nd, 2004, 9:08am sounds to me as if all they were trying to do was make your "football" watchable... wanna see men tear into each other without all the TV ads and the pansy padding? http://www.rugby.com.au/ (whoa boy this'll start somethin'..) :D |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by echo on Feb 2nd, 2004, 11:21am I thought it looked like a rather nice tit for the split second I saw it. No doubt there will be a still of it surface somewhere. |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by vig on Feb 2nd, 2004, 11:33am I went out to the store at halftime and missed it, but i did hear later that it was a planned stunt and that CBS knew about it in advance and now they're all pretending to cover their arses. um, and Mr. Happy, get Tivo! yeah, the ad for Cialis said erections lasting longer than 4 hours will require immediate medical attention! for who? (or is it whom?) |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Lissa on Feb 2nd, 2004, 11:39am I didn't watch the Superbowl, but OH MY GOD!!! Hahaha! |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Racer1_NC on Feb 2nd, 2004, 11:41am You know it was planned!!! How many women, rock stars or not, wear a pastie if they aren't planning on removing clothing? Look at the yahoo photo closely, you'll see it. Another way to look at it, she'd have slapped the hell out of him for exposing her on TV if it wasn't planned. |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by River_Rat on Feb 2nd, 2004, 11:47am I liked it, thanks for the links. WooooHoooooo!! NORM I hope next year they have a cool porn show! |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Hirvimaki on Feb 2nd, 2004, 12:15pm Planned or not, I have no clue. But she was NOT wearing a "pastie," she was wearing a nipple shield. It's not the same thing. When you have pierced nipples you can place a "shield" over the nipple before you place the barbell through. It is a piece of decorative jewelry. Now I'll go crawl back in my cave and pray for release... Hirvimaki |
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Title: Here it is Post by Bob P on Feb 2nd, 2004, 1:07pm http://www.drudgereport.com/mattjj.htm |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by KingOfPain on Feb 2nd, 2004, 1:19pm http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs03/news/story?id=1724968&partnersite=espn Sunday, February 1, 2004 Updated: February 2, 1:04 PM ET FCC demands immediate investigation Associated Press NEW YORK -- The chief federal regulator of broadcasting was outraged by the Super Bowl halftime show in which singer Justin Timberlake tore off part of Janet Jackson's costume, exposing her breast. Justin Timberlake said he did not intend to expose Janet Jackson's breast during the halftime show. http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nfl/2004/0201/photo/a_janet_i.jpg Timberlake blamed a "wardrobe malfunction," but Federal Communications Commission chief Michael Powell on Monday called it "a classless, crass and deplorable stunt." MTV, which produced the show, and CBS, which broadcast it, both said they had no idea the halftime show Sunday night would include such a display. "CBS deeply regrets the incident," spokeswoman LeslieAnne Wade said. The two singers were performing a flirtatious duet to end the halftime show, with Timberlake singing, "Rock Your Body," and the lines he sang at the moment of truth were: "I'm gonna have you naked by the end of this song." With that, Timberlake reached across Jackson's leather gladiator outfit and pulled off the covering to her right breast, which was partially obscured by a sun-shaped, metal nipple decoration. The network quickly cut away, and did not mention the exposure on the air. "I am outraged at what I saw during the halftime show of the Super Bowl," FCC Chairman Michael Powell said in a statement. "Like millions of Americans, my family and I gathered around the television for a celebration. Instead, that celebration was tainted by a classless, crass and deplorable stunt. Our nation's children, parents and citizens deserve better." He instructed the commission to open an immediate investigation, promising it would be "thorough and swift." Earlier, FCC spokeswoman Suzanne Tetreault said it was launching a routine investigation because it had received complaints. Stir comes past president's bedtime The halftime show didn't cause a stir at the White House because President Bush fell asleep. "I don't want to admit it, but because this White House starts early, I missed it -- again," he told reporters Monday after a Cabinet meeting. "Saw the first half, did not see the halftime -- I was preparing for the day and fell asleep." -- Associated Press Messages left with Jackson's record company and her personal publicist were not returned Monday morning. The FCC has come under fire from lawmakers and outside groups who say the agency hasn't done enough to shield the public from indecent programming on radio and TV. Legislation has been introduced in Congress to increase by 10-fold the $27,500 maximum fine that the FCC can levy for indecency. The Bush administration has endorsed the bill raising the fine to $275,000. The agency itself has said it may start issuing the fine per incident rather than per program, and is talking about revoking licenses. Last month, the FCC proposed a $755,000 fine against Clear Channel Communications for the "Bubba the Love Sponge" program that aired multiple times on four of its Florida radio stations. The fine was a record for a single complaint. The largest cumulative fine for indecency was $1.7 million paid by Infinity Broadcasting in 1995 for various violations by Howard Stern. MTV, CBS' corporate cousin in Viacom, issued a contrite statement in which it also apologized, saying the display was "unrehearsed, unplanned, completely unintentional and was inconsistent with assurances we had about the content of the performance." Timberlake said he did not intend to expose Jackson's breast. "I am sorry that anyone was offended by the wardrobe malfunction during the halftime performance of the Super Bowl," Timberlake said in a statement. "It was not intentional and is regrettable." Wade said CBS officials attended rehearsals of the show all week, and "there was no indication any such thing would happen. The moment did not conform to CBS' broadcast standards." The show also featured P. Diddy, Nelly and Kid Rock. NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue called the conduct "offensive, embarrassing to us and our fans, and inappropriate." "We will change our policies, our people and our processes before the next Super Bowl to ensure that this entertainment is far more effectively dealt with," he said. Over-the-air television channels cannot air "obscene" material at any time and cannot air "indecent" material between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. The FCC defines obscene material as describing sexual conduct "in a patently offensive way" and lacking "serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value." Indecent material is not as offensive but still contains references to sex or excretions. In an interview posted on MTV.com in the days before the show, Jackson's choreographer, Gil Duldulao, talked about the show, saying: "She's more stylized, she's more feminine, she's more a woman as she dances this time around. There are some shocking moments in there, too." |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by BruceD on Feb 2nd, 2004, 2:11pm It even had the player's minds occupied. Check out this pic of Brady after the game ... what was he thinking about?? Anyone care to offer up a guess? http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/cpress/20040202/capt.s020238a.jpg |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by TomM on Feb 2nd, 2004, 2:14pm another link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/us_sport/photo_galleries/3450553.stm IMHO--Totally planned. TomM |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Tiannia on Feb 2nd, 2004, 2:22pm I just dont think they figured it would be that big of a deal. I mean it is not like people have not seen it before and hell Donna Ross actually felt Lil' Kim up... :o Edit : Thanks Chris.. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by ckelly181 on Feb 2nd, 2004, 2:24pm Diana Ross was actually the Lil' Kim feeler...on the nuts scale, she's right up there... |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by fubar on Feb 2nd, 2004, 2:42pm Personally, I thought the rapper who was literally grabbing his dick through his baggy pants was the real obscenity. I'm no prude, but that halftime show was inappropriate content for something that has the largest viewing audience in the world. I don't like my kids to watch that kind of stuff. The rapper (sorry I don't know his name since I don't listen to rap) was over the top. |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by jonny on Feb 2nd, 2004, 2:55pm Thats one ugly ass tit. :P ..................jonny |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by don on Feb 2nd, 2004, 3:12pm Quote:
LINKS LINKS ! LINKS ! |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Tiannia on Feb 2nd, 2004, 3:15pm One of my bosses (a total political activist Rush follower guy) says that there was a streaker that ran across the field int he 3rd quarter. He says that if that guy was arressted and charged with indecent exposure that Janet should be charged with it. Maybe she should have looked into better implants Jonny, they seem to have deflated. ::) Tiannia |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Cerberus on Feb 2nd, 2004, 3:57pm [smiley=referee.gif] After reviwing the play...............over and over and over and over............. The ruling on the field stands. "Whats the big deal? So what Janet got a "five-high" during the halftime show. As if MTV hadn't broadcast Brittney Spears and Maddona kissing like dykes in Brittneys video. Is it really such a big deal just because it happened in front of the worlds largest one day television audience? Is it a big deal cause there were no streakers on field after half-time getting less press? Or is it a big deal because Nelly and P-diddy didn't edit their lyrics during their set? Or is it a big deal because you can see more explicit material on animal planet or in the camera work and dialogue during a daytime soap opera or lifetime network movie? Either way, CBS will be charged with their last time out, the yardage will be marked off at the end of the run, repeat first down! [smiley=referee.gif] As IF it really makes a difference!! Why all the attention? Maddona has done worse and we let it slide. We flaunt worse than that in commercials and soap operas. Lets not pretend we have moral choices to make in that department just because 900 million people worldwide were watching. Every guy glued to the set for the 3 hr game WANTED AND HOPED something like that would happen. They got it, and now its an "issue"?????WTF! [smiley=huh.gif] Ramon |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by fubar on Feb 2nd, 2004, 4:13pm Ramon, Like I said, I'm no prude. I have seen plenty of hardcore porn (on purpose!) and I regularly enjoy sex-laden rock videos and such. All I'm saying is this halftime show was not something I would want my kids (11 and 13) to watch. I wouldn't want them to watch the streaker either. The Superbowl has always been known for the halftime show, and it has almost always been a very family-oriented kind of show. Remember "Up with People"? That was lame as hell, but that's what we've come to expect out of Superbowl halftime shows (which I have always hated, btw) This time, I felt duped. I never had to ask myself "Is this the kind of thing I want my kids watching?" before. I was enjoying the show, even enjoying Nelly's music (not his penis-grabbing moves). But the whole show was basically R-rated, and the ending sent it way too far over the top for a show I was watching with my kids. I think the outrage, or controversy or whatever it is, stems from the drastic difference in what we have come to expect from a halftime show and what was delivered. -Fu |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by ckelly181 on Feb 2nd, 2004, 9:21pm on 02/02/04 at 15:12:49, don wrote:
Better yet...Janet's got nothing on Diana "fruit loops" Ross... http://www.sonicpress.com/Jamiroquai99/graphics/VMA/DRossandLilK.jpg |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Charlie on Feb 2nd, 2004, 10:08pm Necessary roughness 8) LOL Ramon, Good post [smiley=laugh.gif] Could be worse than JJ but Jonny has a good point Only in America would this kind of thing be news. ::) Charlie 8) |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Cerberus on Feb 2nd, 2004, 10:10pm Fu, I completely understand your point. Eyebrows were raised for certain. I have to wonder though, what we saw Sunday at the half, was it so outrageous that it overshadows the trials and traumas our kids face in everyday life? i.e. I know for a fact that the talk and activities at my child's school among the cliques and friendships and some of the relationships between students is FAR more x-rated than what was seen on TV last night. I garantee Paris Hilton's video was the talk among teenage boys for weeks. (By all means it doesn't make it right) but are we going to start censoring our kids study material? Are we going to keep em out of school because of what COULD happen? I don't want to sound like a freak by making it seem that I condone such activity but really.......a PG-13 movie is more graphic and violent than that. It was only a flash in reality and the tv audience really had no clear view of it. The fans at the stadium saw more on the jumbo-tron than the televison audience did. (unless of course you taped it) My whole point is that even now you can do an internet search and its all over the net. Hell, the freakin BBC posted stills for all the world to see?? c'mon. There was more talk about THAT than the GAME ( yeah, remember that??) got this morning on damn near every show airing. No one is talking or debating about why Carolina didnt bring the free saftey up five more yards on the last play before the FG attempt (hey, remember that??), no one is talking about the Panthers going for the 2-point conversion instead of the extra point with 12+ minutes left in the 3rd quarter. (hey, Remember that??) No!.... everyone is concerned with the state of Janet's breast and what cup size she might be. If the public wants it squashed then STFU about it already and move on. It is up to us to determine what is and isn't acceptable for our kids to see and hear...yes for certain, but, isnt it also up to us to discuss it with them and instill our values on a personal level with them? What did you tell your kids when Kobe Bryant was accused and arrested for sexual assault Or Michael Jackson even? I guess I just don't get it (not necessarily you Fu) but y'all expose your kids to worse everyday they leave for school or the movies and even out to play street ball. Talk to your kids folks, tell em how you feel and that you think it was inappropriate and MOVE ON. This gets me too........since its being treated as a planned happening (maybe so, maybe not) if it WAS truly an accident then where's the foul? Its a shame that this one event is probably going to have american tv moving backwards instead of progressively. Everybody go to church there was 2 seconds of nudity at the superbowl OMG!!! good grief, Ramon |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Charlie on Feb 2nd, 2004, 11:45pm Not to worry Fu. Kids have no problem with this kind of stuff and believe me, at their age, this is nothing. Like Ramon says. BBC and the rest of the world broadcast this kind of thing on quiz shows. Only in America. Our ridiculous attitudes make this kind of thing something that it isn't. It's not news, kids don't care, and neither should we. In the real world adults make mistakes. It's better to see it on stage than elsewhere. Since we make such a big deal out of it, kids will definitely search it on line and find all kinds of stuff too. Damned silly Charlie |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by fubar on Feb 3rd, 2004, 2:01am Let me be extra clear on this... I really wasn't that outraged or upset at all. I just felt a little duped. Ramon was asking why it was that the media went ape shit over this, and I tried to explain why I thought there was such an uproar. Given the choice, I would not watch that with my kids. I was denied that choice. No warning as you would rightfully expect. Hell, even cable shows say 'warning, sexually explicit material' or some such nonsense. This was simply thrown in everybody's face, and in a show that has usually been sqeaky clean. The NFL is already under pressure to be extra sensitive to the objectification of women with all the assault/rape felons in the league... you get the point. All I was trying to do was offer an answer to Ramon's question. I wasn't trying to say that I share their view entirely. It's an over-hyped media response. But I understand why they feel that way. Mostly it's just an excuse to talk about boobs around the cooler at work. Situation normal. And Charlie, it's not like I think my kids heads are going to explode. I just would rather not watch it with them if I had the choice. That's seriously different than being paranoid about them seeing such material. I'm no fool, they see it and far far worse everyday. -Shawn |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Donna_D. on Feb 3rd, 2004, 2:49am Quote:
Does this guy read the NFL marketing reports or is the entire NFL viewing audience really just a bunch of blue-haired, geriatric church ladies and I just don't have a clue? C'mon folks...if you pay for cable TV this is nothing new... (I think he liked it...IMHO) ;) Donna D But I do have to agree...not appropriate for kids... |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by The_Kid on Feb 3rd, 2004, 3:40am Yes thank god that was a tit. thank you justin. He had me going fucken a to. i didn't need cital or whatever i was hard for sseveral hours thanks to janets right nip. i'm way down for the porn halftime next year.lol. oh and if you look at the posted sites on here you can see her nip, so it isn't a cover like lil' kim did. > in any case it was great as was the game, close the whole way. >the kid |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Hirvimaki on Feb 3rd, 2004, 10:02am First and foremost, nudity is like anything else, it all depends on context and setting. So far what I have seen is that the argument tends to be "It's just a breast. Don't be uptight." There are also some lame, specious parallels drawn between this and what we see on prime-time television, but that too lacks any real merit. This is an event promoted as entertainment for everyone (the context and setting was established). Prior to the show starting, is there anyone who believed there would be nudity? And therein lies the problem. Parents who try to make a reasonable, informed decision about whether something is appropriate for their kids were denied that opportunity. Despite opinions to the contrary, the NFL goes to considerable lengths to be "family friendly." Sexually suggestive touchdown celebrations? Fined. A player or coach uses profanity in an interview? Fined. A player gives the finger to the other team or a fan? Fined. They fine anybody who does anything against league rules. Why do they do they do this? It is because they want to promote the game as family entertainment. They may fail miserably, but they do take steps to maintain a standard, even if you think that standard is not good enough. Never before has nudity been allowed by a network during an NFL broadcast. The parent who believes that NFL-level of violence, skimpy cheerleader outfits, and profanity is acceptable for their son or daughter, but does not want that same child exposed to bare breasts was left hung out to dry. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a parent saying, "These are my kids, I don't want them exposed to nudity." But there is something terribly wrong with someone saying, "I think it is OK for kids to see Janet Jackson's breast. And even though they are your kids, not mine, it doesn't matter." It is a slap in the face of every parent who tries to shield their kids from adult content. And to our friends around the globe who get to see all but the fanny (crotch) area in daytime TV ad's for shower gel and therefore feel they somehow have a better culture than Americans: I'm glad you finally have something about which you can feel superior. ;) Back to my pain. Hirvimaki |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by fubar on Feb 3rd, 2004, 10:13am benj, I gotta tell ya, that was downright offensive, what you posted. How can YOU tell ME what is OK for my kids? I tried to make it damn clear that it's not about the nudity itself. It was about the time and place. You, my friend, have no perspective. Either that or you have no kids. How dare you judge me for simply wanting to not have to watch that kind of program. Like I said, I like to know what I'm watching before (not after) so I can make the call, that's all. Shall I let you decide what they watch or what drugs they take? You seem to think you know better than me. -Fu *** added I just want to say this about *why* I would rather not have my daughter, 11 years old, watch that kind of program. Benj, if you had a daughter, you just might get it, but who knows. She is very much into all the standard teen pop idols, Brittany, Christina A, N Synch, etc. Is that bad? Not really. But she does try to emulate what she sees in their videos when her and her friends are goofing off with the karaoke machine. Now while I really do enjoy looking (staring, actually) at Brittany Spears being as sexy and suggestive as she is, I don't particularly enjoy seeing my 11 year old dancing like the women I see at strip clubs (yes, oh my God, I go to strip clubs). I don't know, something about that just strikes me as inappropriate. Do I let her watch the videos anyway? Of course I do. I'm not running a religious compound here. In fact, we watch them together sometimes. Would I take her to a strip club? Would you? It's not like Janet was simply posing with a bare breast, she had her top ripped off by a man during a very sexually oriented song ('I'm gonna have you naked before the end of this song'). I wonder how long before I see her and her friends imitating this sweet little move, even if they don't actually rip some clothes off. Unless you have kids, you cannot understand. They idolize these pop stars. But there I go again, trying to explain myself. You know what cracks me up about this? You give me shit for trying to use some sense in choosing what my kids watch as if somehow you're offended that my kids might miss some nudity. What the hell gives you any right to make that call? You act like I'm some god damn moral majority extreme right winger, when all I said was I'd rather be given the frikkin opportunity to decide if I wanted to watch that kind of show with my kids. If they had said "warning... sexually explicit material ahead" (the whole damn show was bump and grind and grab) I would have simply watched something else during halftime. I have NEVER BEFORE even had to give it a second thought when watching the superbowl halftime show, so I felt DUPED. Excuse the f*ck out of me. |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Tiannia on Feb 3rd, 2004, 11:33am Fubar, I understand and I have to agree. For me it was not that big of an issue with my kids, but then again my son is only 17m old. If he were older then yes I believe that I would have an issue with having to explaint o my son that it is NOT ok to reach across a wwomens checst and rip her clothes. I had a harder time explaining to my 6 year old daughter about the Britney / Madona kiss then this at 6. But again it is due to the age and sex of my kids at this time. The issue was simply that parents where not informed that there would be adult content and the fact that they are try to make it seem like an accident is only making it worse. - tia |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by BobG on Feb 3rd, 2004, 12:15pm As far as I'm concerned 1. fubar is right, 100%. 2. Timberjerk needs to apologize to the Janet (unless she was in on the act). And they both need to apologize to the world. 3. Timberprick should grow up. The Superbowl is not the place for juvenile behavior. 4. Someone should beat timberass' ass. Otherwise it was a good game. At least the part I watched.........the last 9 minutes of the 4th quarter. And that was a waste of a good 7 minutes. I can't believe it took 4 hours to 'play' a 1 hour 'game'. |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by CJohnson on Feb 3rd, 2004, 12:39pm Step 1: Do something controversial to get everyone talking. Step 2: ??? Step 3: Profit! PFDANs -Curtis |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Cerberus on Feb 3rd, 2004, 1:16pm Ok Ok opinions duly noted: All In All shouldn't the producers of the Half-time show itself be reprimanded for including that type of content??? Obviously the NFL had no clue as to the content otherwise it would have been censored. I don't think Janet knew either, she is scheduled as one of the featured acts in the Grammys next weekend why would she intentionally jeopardize that income? Justin Timerdick, was probably more to blame than Janet. Yes, her shows are pretty suggestive normally, but she is not a "flash my tits to the world" kind of gal. My 13 yr old is watching BET rap videos right now (do I like the content?) no but music is art and I do understand the reasons for the content in rap videos (A culture shock to white corporate america is secondary only to to making money) SEX SELLS! Hell, for all we know the NFL endorsed the act to test the half-time ratings. Fu I really do understand your point , No disrespect from me Bro' Peace.....the fact that there was no content warning all but proves it was an impromptu act. But again Folks, its up to US as parents to intill our viewed "proper" values, not the television stations, the FCC, or anyone else........talk to your kids! Heaven forbid we actually take the time to teach them morality ourselves. Ramon |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by fubar on Feb 3rd, 2004, 1:42pm Well, Here's how I think it went down... Janet is coming out with a new CD in a couple of months. Controversy sells. Sex sells. Janet planned this all along. MTV promised 'shocking moments' (I did not know this part before). Justin Timbersnake probably agreed to do it asuming he could get away with the whole 'wardrobe malfunction' line. MTV is not used to the idea that Broadcast is under completely different rules than cable, and figured they could get away with this if they pretended it was an accident. NFL had no clue this was going to happen. No clue. They would never have allowed it. They are prudes. CBS head office had no clue, but they were sufficiently worried that they had many conferences with MTV about the content and eventually agreed to air what they were seeing in rehearsals, which did include lots of 'suggestive' content but no nudity. Janet wore a dress that had boob covers that were designed to snap off. Planned planned planned. Justin pulled it off deliberately. Planned planned planned. Janet will now sell 5x the number of CDs. MTV ad revenue will go up when Janet comes out with all the new videos to help sell the new CD. CBS and MTV both have the same corporate parent, so everybody there is happy unles the FCC decides to fine the crap out of them. They are talking about imposing the maximum fine on EVERY CBS station that aired the show. Ouch. Ramon, I have no problem with what you posted. I was offended by benj's post however, but I'll get over it. Talk about idiotic statements... like breast feeding has anything to do with eroticism. Moronic. I do my best to teach them well, and making intelligent choices about what is appropriate to watch with children kind of falls in that category, don't you think? I don't think the FCC should dictate what is available to watch, but they are obligated to make it possible for me to make intelligent choices about what my children are subjected to. If I ignore that, that's my choice, but I WANT THE CHOICE. |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by KingOfPain on Feb 3rd, 2004, 3:20pm *This post for information purposes. Also, my opinion is just that. My take on the whole thing. __________________________________________________________ Hmmmmmm............ 1.Upcoming (Janet) Photos in Vanity Fair. http://extratv.warnerbros.com/dailynews/extra/0204/02_02c.html 2. Janet's Upcoming album/CD release. http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1484432/20040116/jackson_janet.jhtml?headlines=true 3. Upcoming made for TV movie in which she (Janet) portrays Lena Horne. http://coloradooutspoken.org/cm/news/news_prev/n-2003-09-14-03-09.shtml You make the call. Word of mouth advertising, as most know, is the best advertising. As I see it, the whole halftime deal/exposure was a totally planned publicity stunt. Of course......IMHO. Edit: This would have been nice right before the start of halftime show: http://www.fakeornot.com/img/parental-advisory-explicit-content.gif Thanks for letting me borrow it, Mark C. Hope you don't mind. |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by KingOfPain on Feb 3rd, 2004, 6:03pm Almost forgot #4. 4. Janet's role as presenter, Grammy Awards 46th Grammy Awards Sunday, February 8,2004, 8PM The Grammys will be held in Los Angeles and will be telecast by CBS, which also showed the Super Bowl. Jackson is scheduled to be a presenter and Timberlake is slated to perform. http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/17203.htm |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by BobG on Feb 3rd, 2004, 6:16pm Ramon...... rap IS NOT music and it IS NOT art. It's dogshit covered in noise. rappers ARE NOT artists. They are just noisy, shit covered dogs. Just my opinion and I could be wrong but I don't think so. |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Cerberus on Feb 3rd, 2004, 6:42pm Fu and KOP, Very interseting indeed. I TOTALLY agree that we as parents need to have the choice on what our kids watch and I personally am almost TOTALLY against censorship (its an artistic thing for me) the key word is almost. And the first line of defense starts at home. I very much agree with you both in many ways, however, this is 2004 and we as Americans should NOT pretend that we are "holier than thou" or better than the rest because of this and/or that anymore. We wonder why we are treated so badly abroad......well folks this is why, we as a people are hypocrites in very many of our social stances. We advertise sex and violence in our media and then get upset when it actually happens as a direct result of our social order. We even expect it not to happen. Are we snowing ourselves? America has blurred the already very fine line between what is considdered art and what is considdered Pornography, ideally both have their place and purpose. So its not that it happened that upsets me so its that such a huge ruckus has been made over it considdering the amount of graphic material already in America's media. It detracted from the game. Both of your theories are very plausable, but, in keeping with Janet's personal profile over the years it just doesn't seem consistant to me. Justin Timberlake on the other hand... is a completely different matter, I think he is partially a slave to his industry and MOSTLY a product of his generation. Janet's concerts are very suggestive but all said there is little if any nudity. Now...to the corporate part. It was almost assuredly the producers view that for Janet to get as much "play" as they can for her new album etc. thought it was a good idea. Janet I suspect (drawing from past references) normally would have refused to participate. She is not out of the public eye enough that she needed to do such a stunt. AND when all is said and done her music and talent speak for themselves. I DO however agree that MTV and whomever produced the show made a very indiscriminate call on this particular event. Yes, Janet's image has gradually increased in seductivity over the past few years and she has even willingly allowed it to be so, mainly because of her personal feelings for what she has/ is becoming. She (in spite of this recent atrocity) is a true performer and appreciates her fan base. earlier in her career they wanted this image and she denied them and STILL sold millions of records. So she knows that it wasn't necessary to get naked in front of millions of people. However the pressure applied by the industry can be incredibly intense. Even so far as to say we won't release your album if you don't do this, we can ruin your career just by making a few calls. In the end it would be in her best interest to say "Fuck you" to the major labels and produce her own stuff on her own label. She's rich enough and it would not be too difficult P-diddy already does. I just find it terribly interesting that Kid Rock wore the american flag as a poncho and nothing was said. I found that horribly offensive considdering the goings on in the middle east (plain disrespectfull). Nelly held his penis in his hand almost the whole set and nothing was said. Hell the lyrics weren't edited, but P-Diddy (in case you didn't notice) edited his own lyrics during his time. None of the others did. What happened to Janet was not typical of her style (get the old tapes out and see for yourself) I really think Timberskank was pressured to do it. If you review the stills posted to the BBC Janet looks very upset that it happened, but, being the professional that she is played it off to avoid making it look like a mistake. (A golden rule in show business) go with it and no one will realize you fucked up. I was taught that in elementary school orchestra. Athletes are taught it from the begining no whistle no foul. If you screw up avoid drawing extra attention. Bottom line..........no, it really shouldn't have happened and it made the NFL and the networks look really bad in the eyes of the world. The best thing would be to openly admit the action and apologize to the fans, the NFL, and the viewing audience. Notice......that the NFL took responsibility from the producers of the show and apologised for them. And if it turns out that I am incorrect about this then I will openly post to this board that I was mistaken. Thats all I got, DJ you can lock this topic now. We've had our say. Ramon |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by fubar on Feb 3rd, 2004, 7:21pm Just one last thing. The whole damn 'episode' could have been diffused if only they had given some advance notice that this show MIGHT NOT be appropriate for kids. It may have made some news along the lines that the NFL chose to have a sexier show, but who the hell isn't sexing up their shows anymore? Here or abroad? Don't get me started on kid rock, that piece of shit. He's not worth the electrons it takes to display my disgust. And I think an idol to the black youth (and many white-wanna-be-black youth) who struts around holding his dick in his hands is a sickening example. This gangsta rapper bullshit is for the birds. "And that's all I have to say about that" -Forrest Gump |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by KingOfPain on Feb 3rd, 2004, 7:40pm on 02/03/04 at 18:42:03, Cerberus wrote:
I was none too happy with any of it. To each their own though, who am I to judge what people want to see. Time & a place for certain things, that kind of thing. I also noticed no one commented about Aerosmith (pre-game). No shock value, I guess. The last time I got all "patriotic", I got slammed (& misunderestood/misrepresented). The flag disrespect has/had me boiling (intensely agitated) . >:( Let's just say after the flag incident, I now consider Kid Rock an unpatriotic nitwit (toning it down, my feelings). *Why I did not say much about the halftime goings on as a whole (before now)? I was just sticking to the original topic DJ spoke about. As to the total production, I will keep my opinions to myself (now, after this post). Mostly, my posts for/with the links, were for information purposes. I wasn't trying to push censorship or tell anyone what they could/could not watch. Just was adding my 2 cents worth, with my posts of site/story links & info with my few personal comments/observations. I never believed it was an accident from the start (the exposure). Again, just an opinion. Sorry if I was misunderstood. My last post to this thread. Edit: (Ramon) _____________________________________________________ http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/17203.htm Sources told The Post the network will demand the two stars be tossed from 46th Annual Grammy Awards if CBS's probe shows the duo schemed in advance to expose Jackson's pierced breast during the halftime spectacle. Jackson admitted as much in a statement last night, saying, "The decision to have a costume reveal at the end of my halftime performance was made after final rehearsals." She said MTV, which produced the show, did not know about the boob surprise - and she apologized for the stunt, saying "it was not my intention that it go as far as it did." ________________________________________________________ Things may have gotten out of hand, but it was no surprise to Janet something would happen. All due repect Ramon. |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by stevegeebe on Feb 3rd, 2004, 8:09pm Fu, I agree with your points except as follows. The NFL has been on a campaign to cultivate new minions to follow in the footsteps of the current football fan base in order to maintain the flow of money to keep the gravey train chugging along. They may not have known the extent of what was going to happen but they, of late, have been casting this talentless youth oriented net to pull them to revenue stream. This time they got tangled in their own net. It is by design. Steve G Steve G |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Cerberus on Feb 3rd, 2004, 8:36pm AS PROMISED! I WAS WRONG ABOUT JANET'S KNOWLEDGE OF THE INCIDENT PRIOR TO ITS HAPPENING Bob, I don't think its rap itself that you are in objection to. Rap as an art form is not "new" it is not a creation of the 80's people were rapping since the 60's (they were beatniks then) I think its the content and presentation that we all find so disturbing. After all, Rap is merely poetry or words set to a beat or groove and synchronized with the music accompanying it. What little rap music I do listen to usually hooks me with the beat and flow behind it more so than lyrical content. Ramon |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by fubar on Feb 3rd, 2004, 8:43pm on 02/03/04 at 20:09:49, stevegeebe wrote:
Actually we agree on that point as well. |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by BruceD on Feb 3rd, 2004, 9:00pm I'm just glad that I haven't watched a halftime show since Up With People sometime back in high school. I watch the Superbowl for the game ... and just to see how much money sponsors waste on commercial spots. ;;D Later BruceD PS. Well spoken FU & Hirv |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by chronic_chic on Feb 3rd, 2004, 9:30pm I've been reading and following your posts, and while I don't have any kids...if I did I think I would have been upset if they had seen the show...ALL of the show, not just the end. I don't think that all Americans condone the advertising of sex in the mass media. I know that I, for one, don't really agree with how sexually explicit and violent our television has become. I wouldn't condone censoring it, but I do choose not to watch the majority of it. (I'm not a conservative in the least bit either!) I just find it to be a little bit of a blanket statement to say that all Americans are hypocrites for getting upset over this in lieu of the other things we support. I think there are definately people out there who don't like the turn for the worse that television has seemed to take. The fact of the matter is that in the United States, the 1st amendment stops us from taking our dislike to the point of censorship. (Which I think is good!) However, we should definately be allowed to know about what we are about to see. I was pretty young when there was a whole controversy about NYPD Blue getting labelled with its content warning, but I think this started the whole "warn people about what they are going to see" movement. I went to the movies with my roommate the other night, and as we sat through the previews, I turned to Aimee and said, "Is there ONE movie out that is NOT about murder? This scares me that they put ideas in people's heads like this..." But, I think movies, music, etc should have the right to express their own ideas. I just think that we also have the right to know in advance when something is going to be of a certain content so that we can choose not to watch it or choose to protect our children from it. Just my opinion! ~Lizz |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Charlie on Feb 3rd, 2004, 9:45pm Still silly. Did one of those morons admit it was deliberate? I have no idea but nonetheless, it has nothing to do with CBS, NFL and likely MTV. The FCC isn't gonna fine anyone. Blame the lamebrain kid. It’s his deal. If true, no one but this kid supposedly ruined every parent’s day. One cannot blame the vendors. It’s like closing Fantasyland because some idiot dropped his shorts. Beyond silly. I seriously wonder if this thing might not have been such a big deal if it happened 40 years ago....and I don’t mean just the amount of media. As an aside, I believe the unnecessary violence of Rambo, The Matrix, and other crap shown on network TV is something to really worry about. I think Joe Lieberman is right about this.... But that’s just me. Oh. Nothing offends me more than jerks who wear American flags as ornamental clothing. It ain’t right but at least it’s not illegal. Not everything needs to be legislated. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by don on Feb 4th, 2004, 7:16am It coulda been worse............... http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3cc06b3127cce849d70d340360000001610 |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by fubar on Feb 4th, 2004, 10:53am I'd never make it outta the house with mammies like that. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Charlie on Feb 4th, 2004, 2:39pm OMG.... Now I'm really shocked and awed and that ain't no wardrobe malfunction. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/Clearly End SIGN.png Charlie (you gotta feel sorry for Michael really. He has no idea what a bizarre twit he is) |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by kim on Feb 4th, 2004, 3:27pm Marketing pushing the envelope in all it's glory. I personally think Janet Jackson has a lousy bod and her musical talent falls somewhere behind that. I have never and will never purchase one of her cd's cuz she sucks. ;;D I am happy to report that my girls did not see the video. They are 11 and 13 and 6. I doubt seeing JJ's boob would destroy their virtue; but I also doubt it's something that will bring enrichment to their already media-challenged lives. They were looking for a rise. I'm sure they got one. BFD. My advice is don't hold yer breath. Afore ya know it someother numb-nuts with a checkbook will be topping the cake yet again. Turn off the tv. Take a reallyreallyreally big show folks, and shut it off ..........they'd all be sobbing their freakin hearts out at the bank. ;) |
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Title: Re: Halftime at the Super Bowl? Post by Lissa on Feb 4th, 2004, 3:57pm on 02/04/04 at 15:27:40, kim wrote:
What she said. [smiley=thumb.gif] |
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