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(Message started by: brain_cramps on Jan 16^th, 2004, 4:57am)

Title: still wanna go hiking? (not CH)
Post by brain_cramps on Jan 16^th, 2004, 4:57am

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:28:46 +0000 (GMT)

The following pictures are of a guy who works for the US Forest Service in Alaska and his trophy bear. He was out deer hunting last week when a large grizzly bear charged him from about 50 yards away. The guy emptied his 7mm Magnum semi-automatic rifle into the bear and it dropped a few feet from him. The big bear was still alive so he reloaded and shot it several times in the head.

The bear was just over one thousand six hundred pounds. It stood 12' 6" high at the shoulder, 14' to the top of his head. It's the largest grizzly bear ever recorded in the world. Of course, the Alaska Fish and Wildlife Commission did not let him keep it as a trophy, but the bear will be stuffed and mounted, and placed on display at the Anchorage airport (to remind tourist's of the risks involved when in the wild).

Based on the contents of the bears stomach, the Fish and Wildlife Commission established the bear had killed at least two humans in the past 72 hours. His last meal was the unlucky nature buff in the third picture (not posted - too graphic!!!). The US Forest Service, backtracking from where the bear had originated, found the hiker's 38-caliber pistol emptied. Not far from the pistol was the remains of the hiker. The other body has not been found. Although the hiker fired six shots and managed to hit the grizzly with four shots (they ultimately found four 38 caliber slugs along with twelve 7mm slugs inside the bear's dead body), it only wounded the bear and probably angered it. The bear killed the hiker an estimated two days prior to the bear's own death by the gun of the Forest Service worker.

Think about this - If you are an average size man; You would be level with the bear's belly button when he stood upright, the bear would look you in the eye when it walked on all fours! To give additional perspective, consider that this particular bear, standing on its hind legs, could walk up to an average single story house and look over the roof, or walk up to a two story house and look in the bedroom windows.

http://tinyurl.com/3gyc8
http://tinyurl.com/22t25

Note: I didn't post the 3rd picture because of its graphic nature. If you would like to see it, IM me and I can email it to you if you want. :o :P

Title: Re: still wanna go hiking? (not CH)
Post by taraann on Jan 16^th, 2004, 5:02am

All I can say is OH MY GAWD! :o

Title: Re: still wanna go hiking? (not CH)
Post by kissmyglass on Jan 16^th, 2004, 5:08am

Wow :o..Glad I only have to deal with 30 lb. Racoons....

Kev

Title: Re: still wanna go hiking? (not CH)
Post by Paigelle on Jan 16^th, 2004, 5:10am

Can you all imagine this thing staring in your windows at night? [smiley=eek.gif]

Title: Re: still wanna go hiking? (not CH)
Post by ZAIRA on Jan 16^th, 2004, 5:20am

on 01/16/04 at 04:57:16, brain_cramps wrote:

Ok Grant, but.... poor grizzly!! :'(
I hate to see such bad pictures... :'(
I hurt for you, dear grizzly! :'(

;;D

Title: Re: still wanna go hiking? (not CH)
Post by Hirvimaki on Jan 16^th, 2004, 5:22am

The basic story here is true although some of the details are wrong, perhaps because two different incidents of very large bear killings in Alaska have been conflated into one.

The bear in the pictures was killed in November 2001 by a hunter (not a Forest Service employee) who came across it while he was deer-hunting in Alaska. As he described the event on the message board at HuntingNet.com:

My partner and I ran into the unexpected . . . "BIG ARSE URSUS"! The bear was shot 10 yards away (no zeros missing in that figure my friends) in the head with a .338 Remington Winnie, using 250 grain Nosler handloads, followed up with two shots to the vitals. A very quick clean death.

We were working up a creek, headed for the mountains to hunt blacktail. He was coming down the creek, hunting for the last of the spawning Coho in the creek. We initially spotted him from 40 yds off. As a matter of fact we were glassing the bear over the high brush just behind the bear when we spotted him.

The pictures of the November 2001 shooting became confused with a later account of a killing, also in Alaska, of another very large bear. This incident, as described by the Associated Press, took place on 21 April 2002 in Anchorage:

Sigfredo Casiano, 28, was hiking to a camp site near Swanson River Road Sunday morning when he heard a noise in nearby woods. Initially, Casiano thought a moose was making the noise but he removed the safety from his rifle as a precaution, troopers said.
Soon after, a brown bear appeared about 10 feet away and began moving toward him.

Casiano fired one shot with his rifle, striking the bear behind the skull. The bear collapsed and Casiano man fired several more shots.

The bear was described as a male between eight and nine feet tall.

A moose carcass was found nearby and the bear was probably protecting the find, troopers said.

The pictures shown in the post above (and the others displayed at HuntingNet.com) are from November 2001; none of them is a photo of the bear killed by Sigfredo Casiano in April 2002.

In 2003 another photograph began to be circulated with ones shown above, purportedly showing a human victim who was the bear's "last meal".

Although it is a genuine photograph of human remains gnawed by one or more animals, it has nothing to do with the bear pictured above. The photograph comes from a completely different source and was only tacked on as an addendum to the bear story after both had been circulating independently for over a year.

Title: Re: still wanna go hiking? (not CH)
Post by brain_cramps on Jan 16^th, 2004, 5:41am

Hirv

Thanks for ruining my story ;)

I received the pics from a friend who does bear-hunt (not usually grizzlies :o ) --- only difference is that they hunt with bows... and a spotter in a tree with a "rhino gun" LMAO

I'll point out the original source to him.

grant

Title: Re: still wanna go hiking? (not CH)
Post by Kevin_M on Jan 16^th, 2004, 6:12am

The guy who shot it is very lucky, 7mm's are most usually bolt action. Had that been his unfortunate situation, I'd hope he'd die of a heart attack first.
My good friend and cousin lives in Alaska and keeps a .338 Winchester Magnum as his buddy. 7mm, though a very preferred hunting rifle for certain game, is for perhaps the mountain goats and long distance, not for brush hunting. He was very lucky, the 7mm has the velocity which penetrates but are not usually bought in soft point bullets for knockdown power. That bear could have ate lunch and bled to death later. Deer and antelope are known to run some distance when hit by a
7mm before dropping, due to adrenalin. Whew! A real nightmare. Very, very lucky.
I've known friends who, years ago, woke a black bear here in Michigan, stood in a semi-circle around the den and hit it with 13 rifle shots from 30-30s, 308's and 30-06's. It was damn mad. All of them were sweating.
That grizzly situation was far more dangerous. Accolades for the ranger that did that. Had the bear gotten one paw on him, it would have been all over.

Title: Re: still wanna go hiking? (not CH)
Post by Kevin_M on Jan 16^th, 2004, 6:36am

Hirvimaki,
We must have been writing at the same time, I did not see you feedback until after I had responded. Big bear, but different stories. Brain_cramps story made for a vivid nightmare. Outstanding details Hirv.
Kevin M

Title: Re: still wanna go hiking? (not CH)
Post by Leesa on Jan 16^th, 2004, 9:08am

:o HOLY SHIT what a bear!! It's Yogi from Jellystone on steroids!! LMAO ;;D
Did that guy have to clean out his pants after that?? LOL ;;D I can tell ya I sure as hell would have!!
In shock, Leesa :o

Title: Re: still wanna go hiking? (not CH)
Post by Roxy on Jan 16^th, 2004, 9:19am

Thanks Hirv, for the story behind the pictures. I knew they weren't recent, because I got them a few months ago in an email, but I didn't know how long ago they were taken.

Appreciate it.

Title: Re: still wanna go hiking? (not CH)
Post by JDH on Jan 16^th, 2004, 9:49am

If that were me I'd have hollowed him out and made one damn nice coat.

Jim

Title: Re: still wanna go hiking? (not CH)
Post by brain_cramps on Jan 16^th, 2004, 11:42am

just cut&pasted something sent to me by a friend that DOES hunt bear LOLOL

:-[

Title: Re: still wanna go hiking? (not CH)
Post by jonny on Jan 16^th, 2004, 12:45pm

Dude,

Send me the good pic.....LMAO

Blood and guts...YA!!!! ;;D

....................jonny

Title: Re: still wanna go hiking? (not CH)
Post by KingOfPain on Jan 16^th, 2004, 2:42pm

Urban Legends Reference Pages

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Bear Hunt

Claim: Photographs show an enormous bear killed by an Alaskan hunter.

Status: True.

Examples: [Collected on the Internet, 2001]

How would you like for this monster to walk up on you in the woods? Check out the size of the paw in relation to the guy's head!!!

This bear was killed down on Hitchenbrook Island by an airman stationed at Elmendorf.

The bear measured 12' 6" and was estimated at over 1600lbs.

The guy was walking to his hunting area and the bear stood up only 35 yards away. The bear dropped down and went straight for him. He emptied his gun and the bear fell 10 yards from him.

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Subject: Alaskan Critters

The attached picture is of a guy who works for the forest service in Alaska. He was out deer hunting. A large...large world record Grizzly bear charged him from about 50 yards away. The guy unloaded a 7mm Mag Semi-auto into the bear and it dropped a few feet from him. The thing was still alive so he reloaded and capped it in the head. It was over one thousand six hundred pounds, 12 feet 6 inches high at the shoulder. It's a world record. The bear had killed a couple of other people. Of course, the game department did not let him keep it. Think about it. This thing on its hind legs could walk up to the average single story house and could look on the roof at eye level."

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Origins: The basic story here is true although some of the details are wrong, perhaps because two different recent incidents of very large bear killings in Alaska have been conflated into one.

The bear pictured above was killed in November 2001 by a hunter (not a Forest Service employee) who came across it while he was deer-hunting in Alaska. As he described the event on the message board at HuntingNet.com:

My partner and I ran into the unexpected . . . "BIG ARSE URSUS"! The bear was shot 10 yards away (no zeros missing in that figure my friends) in the head with a .338 Remington Winnie, using 250 grain Nosler handloads, followed up with two shots to the vitals. A very quick clean death.

We were working up a creek, headed for the mountains to hunt blacktail. He was coming down the creek, hunting for the last of the spawning Coho in the creek. We initially spotted him from 40 yds off. As a matter of fact we were glassing the bear over the high brush just behind the bear when we spotted him.
The pictures of the November 2001 shooting became confused with a later account of a killing, also in Alaska, of another very large bear. This incident, as described by the Associated Press, took place on 21 April 2002 in Anchorage:

Sigfredo Casiano, 28, was hiking to a camp site near Swanson River Road Sunday morning when he heard a noise in nearby woods. Initially, Casiano thought a moose was making the noise but he removed the safety from his rifle as a precaution, troopers said.

Soon after, a brown bear appeared about 10 feet away and began moving toward him.

Casiano fired one shot with his rifle, striking the bear behind the skull. The bear collapsed and Casiano man fired several more shots.

The bear was described as a male between eight and nine feet tall.

A moose carcass was found nearby and the bear was probably protecting the find, troopers said.
The pictures shown above (and the others displayed at HuntingNet.com) are from November 2001; none of them is a photo of the bear killed by Sigfredo Casiano in April 2002.

In 2003 another photograph began to be circulated with ones shown above, purportedly showing a human victim who was the bear's "last meal":

Although this is a genuine photograph of human remains gnawed by one or more animals, it has nothing to do with the bear pictured above. This photograph comes from a completely different source and was only tacked on as an addendum to the bear story after both had been circulating independently for over a year.

Last updated: 28 June 2003

Title: Re: still wanna go hiking? (not CH)
Post by Kevin_M on Jan 16^th, 2004, 3:57pm

Makes sense, the 7mm mag was used because he was deer hunting. An appropriate gun for deer hunting. Tough luck though running into :o THAT bear with one.

Title: Re: still wanna go hiking? (not CH)
Post by Charlie on Jan 16^th, 2004, 4:15pm

Yikes.

I've seen something like this before but it's a hell of a story. I looked at the other picture at an urban legend site. Sorry I did.

Bleaugh.

Charlie

Title: Re: still wanna go hiking? (not CH)
Post by KingOfPain on Jan 16^th, 2004, 6:01pm

on 01/16/04 at 16:15:52, Charlie wrote:

I looked at the other picture at an urban legend site. Sorry I did.

That's why I didn't post the pic.

The same reason brain_cramps made this statement:

" Note: I didn't post the 3rd picture because of its graphic nature. If you would like to see it, IM me and I can email it to you if you want. "