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(Message started by: forgetfulnot on Jan 10^th, 2004, 9:53pm)

Title: You might already know. Not c/h
Post by forgetfulnot on Jan 10^th, 2004, 9:53pm

But now there is a snitch..........

http://www.forbes.com/home_europe/newswire/2004/01/10/rtr1205827.html

Lee

Title: Re: You might already know. Not c/h
Post by jonny on Jan 10^th, 2004, 9:56pm

Where lies the problem?

........................jonny

Title: Re: You might already know. Not c/h
Post by Little Deb on Jan 10^th, 2004, 9:58pm

not really suprized, but saddened.

LD

Title: Re: You might already know. Not c/h
Post by forgetfulnot on Jan 10^th, 2004, 10:00pm

Don't know where the problem is jonny, do you mean who ya going to believe?

Lee

Title: Re: You might already know. Not c/h
Post by jonny on Jan 10^th, 2004, 10:07pm

on 01/10/04 at 22:00:26, forgetfulnot wrote:

Don't know where the problem is jonny, do you mean who ya going to believe?

Lee

Are you asking me purely on your lack of knowledge or are you asking my opinion?

.............................jonny

Title: Re: You might already know. Not c/h
Post by forgetfulnot on Jan 10^th, 2004, 10:17pm

on 01/10/04 at 21:56:11, jonny wrote:

Where lies the problem?

........................jonny

I don't understand your question jonny, I guess i'm to stupid to get it.

Lee

Title: Re: You might already know. Not c/h
Post by brain_cramps on Jan 10^th, 2004, 10:21pm

Classic quote:

He likened Bush at Cabinet meetings to "a blind man in a room full of deaf people."

[smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: You might already know. Not c/h
Post by Marc on Jan 10^th, 2004, 10:22pm

Years ago, the UN proved (and agreed) that Iraq had WMD's. Then Iraq used WMD's - and made it clear that they would again.

Even Bill Clinton recently said he was convinced that Iraq had WMD's right up until the time we went in.

The whole world knew that they had WMD's.

Does anyone really believe that Saddam is a good guy, or that this is about oil or revenge or politics? (Geez, I hope that no one has actually fallen for that............. )

The argument isn't about the existence of WMD's in Iraq or about the imminent danger they posed. It's what do we do now.

And how do we handle the next rouge nation who decides that he can threaten the world?

Marc

Title: Re: You might already know. Not c/h
Post by chronic_chic on Jan 10^th, 2004, 10:29pm

has anyone else read the book "The Demon in the Freezer" by Richard Preston? i honestly was firmly against us going into iraq and thought the whole wmd thing was a load of propaganda, but then i read that book. i don't know how i feel about the issues still, but it has given me totally new insights on wmds....and the potential that iraq did/does have them.

Title: Re: You might already know. Not c/h
Post by Mark C on Jan 10^th, 2004, 11:51pm

December 10, 2002
President Bush fired his first cabinet member, Paul O'Neill, last Friday......... (http://www.darden.edu/varoom/bizbuzz121002.htm)

A senior administration official said O'Neill's "suggestion that the administration was planning an invasion of Iraq days after taking office is laughable. Nobody listened to him when he was in office. Why should anybody now?" (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A6632-2004Jan10?language=printer)

Danish troops in Iraq find shells from Iran-Iraq war
(http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040110.wweapo0110/BNStory/International/)

Leaking shells found in Iraq (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/01/11/1073769443061.html)

Found Shells Contain Blister Agent, Tests Show (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108009,00.html)

::)

Title: Re: You might already know. Not c/h
Post by Pinkfloyd on Jan 10^th, 2004, 11:56pm

Interesting Lee...
Let's see now...I wonder if any of the previous presidents went into office knowing exactly where they would be sending troops with a mission....hmm. Wonder if I can think of one.....

uh, Roosevelt?....yep (took him a while to convert the masses away from our isolationist leanings..)
....truman? yep
....I like Ike? ....yep...
Kennedy......yep
Johnson?...oh yeah
Nixon...? Yep
Ford..?(they didnt even tell him they HAD a button let alone give him the instructions)
Carter? (he had to ask his daughter first but had he gotten permission..;-)
Reagan....gee, I wonder
Bush #1...yeppers
Clinton? Think he really thought he could make it 8 years without committing troops at some point, on the day he took office?
Bush #2....these guys are briefed for a couple months before they take office so they have time to make such plans and decisions. They better know exactly what their plans are before they take office.

They know what they want to do....they just need to come up with enough reasons (excuses, if you must) to get it done and have 51% of the country behind them.

You may not agree with their plans, but they do have to have them....ahead of time.

Just giving you a hard time Lee. I'm not real happy myself with the increased deployments in our war against....drugs!!!

Please forward all flames to someone that can actually solve the problems of the world cause I sure can't. Besides, this is like a hit and run....I won't be around for 4 or 5 days. hehehehe

PF
off to Reno!!

Title: Re: You might already know. Not c/h
Post by Callico_Kid on Jan 11^th, 2004, 12:54am

The Department of Defense has a division that does nothing but prepare plans for the invasion or the defense against invasion of virtually any country in the world. They are reviewed and brought to the President's attention on a regular basis. We even have contingency plans to fight such countries as Canada, Great Britain, Mexico, etc. etc. They are not expected nor wanted to be employed, but they exist and are reviewed, even practiced in warg games.

I'm sure that President Bush had in mind the need to deal with Saddam, and as a result paid a little more attention to him than he did to Canada, ;;D but I doubt he went into office determined to attack. I do believe he went into office determined to enforce the cease fire agreement that Saddam had been violating for 14 years, and to hold the UN responsible to enforce the 17 resolutions they had made against Iraq for egregious violations.

Whether or not O'Neal is right, and I doubt it, I could not be prouder of the job our military has done in Iraq, nor could I be more gratified by the freeing of the Iraqi people.

Jerry

Title: Re: You might already know. Not c/h
Post by KenB on Jan 12^th, 2004, 4:22am

Before I start this post please note the following:

I do not support terrorism
I do not sympathise with Saddam (in fact I hope they hang him from his toenails)
I am not anti-american

OK? Let's begin.......................

The US weapons inspectors have been withdrawn without finding a WMD. Regardless of what the current situation is I don't think it's right to try and retrospectively justify a war. Bush clearly stated that he felt Iraq was a clear and present danger due to the existence of WMD's. Where are they? If he had been up front and honest from the start about his motivation for war he might have earned a lot more respect. Now, as far as I'm concerned, he's just a muppet.