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(Message started by: catlind on Mar 24^th, 2003, 8:02am)

Title: Where were you
Post by catlind on Mar 24^th, 2003, 8:02am

I am simply passing this on I did not write it and can't say it's 100%, but it certainly asks the questions I've been asking.
Cat

This was a message posted on an AOL message board in response to a posting called "Ashamed To Be An American":

Where were you? WHERE WERE YOU?

Where were you in 1980 when Saddam invaded Iran? Where were you when the chemical weapons filled the Iranian trenches? Where were the protests? Where were the marches on the Iraqi embassies? As well over one MILLION were killed, as weapons of mass destruction were used, where were the protests?

When Saddam invaded Kuwait - where were you? When the systematic rapes began, with women assaulted in front of thier children, children raped in front of their fathers - WHERE WERE YOU? Where were the speeches? Where were the celebrities? Where were you?

When Saddam set fire to his own oil fields, when one of the greatest ecological disasters in history was perpetrated by this one single despotic individual - where were you? Where were the environmentalists? Where were you?

When Saddam used chemical weapons - AT LEAST 40 times - on his own people .... where were the protests? When 5,000 died in a single gas attack, women and children falling in the streets from the poisounous and forbidden chemicals .... WHERE WERE YOU? The pictures were shown on television sets across the globe. Saddam gassed his own citizens as the world watch .... but where were the protests? Where was the outcry? Where were the pickets out side the Iraqi embassies? Where was the name calling and flag burning then? Where were you?

As word of the atrocities in Iraq began to leak out, just as it did not so long ago in 1943 from within the Third Reich -- when you're own organizations like Amnesty International and The International Red Cross -- began to report on the routine use of torture, the rape rooms builts specifically for the sexual torture of girls and women, as the stories leaked out of human beings being fed through plastic shredders, feet first, as they screamed ..... WHERE WERE THE PROTESTS? Did you not believe the pictures? Did you not believe the footage on your screens? Did you not believe the Iraqis themselves, the scarred women and hollow-eyed men, as they told their stories and begged for YOUR help? Where were you then?

Where were you, as Iraqis began to suffer under sanctions, as 5,000 starved a month and Saddam built palaces --- where were you? Some of you protested your OWN governments -- for instituting a containment policy that you NOW claim is the only answer -- but where were the protests against Saddam? Where were you? When Saddam's net worth was reported a month ago as well over $ 2 BILLION dollars, as you read of his many, many palaces, and as his people starve, WHERE ARE THE PROTESTS?

Title: Re: Where were you
Post by catlind on Mar 24^th, 2003, 8:03am

Continued

When the Persian Gulf War ended, and that first United Nations resolution was violated by Saddam and his regime - where were you then? Where were the protests? What about the second resolution? The third? The seventh? The ninth? The 14th? The 15? The 17TH? WHERE WERE YOU THEN? Those of you claiming that the U.S. and the FORTY PLUS countries acting with her today are violating international law - WHERE WERE YOU WHEN THOSE RESOLUTIONS WERE VIOLATED? Where were the protests and chants and signs and burning flags? As 17 resolutions and 12 years of defiance passed by, as the weapons were built and the inspectors expelled, as the citizens starved and despot grew richer -- WHERE WERE YOU? Where were you every time he sent money to terrorists in Palestine -- an act openly boasted of by Saddam on national television - where were the protests? Where was the outcry?

Perhaps most of all, where were the protests once the actual people of Iraq, the exiles and dissidents and survivors, told their stories - where were you? As Iraqi women testified before Congress, begging for American help, begging for the end of the Hussein regime - where were you? Where was Martin Sheen and Sean Penn and the Dixie Chicks? Where was Sheryl Crow and Susan Sarandon and Barbara Streisand? Most of all - where were YOU?

Where were you TODAY when Iraq fired scud missiles, the very weapons they swore they did not have, the very weapons YOU promised they did not possess? Where were you? Where were you yesterday when the French announced contrary to all logic that they WOULD enter the fray if chemical weapons were used --- those same weapons that are, of course, non-existent. Where were you? As Saddam ordered uniforms of our nations, so that his soldiers could slaughter his own people and blame others ---- WHERE WERE YOU? When the oil wells began to burn today - WHERE WERE YOU?

Perhaps the answer is a simple one -- you refuse to support your country, and you always protest AGAINST your own nation. That might explain your perpetual absence, your eternal abandonment of your own stated ideals ..... EXCEPT. Except if that was true, WHERE WERE YOU during military action in Haiti under the previous U.S. administration? Where were you during our presence in Somalia? Where were you when we attacked forces in Bosnia? Where were you as we attacked Afghanistan and Sudan? WHERE WERE YOU? What could POSSIBLY explain your absence then, where were your protests and your hatred and your venom?

Where were they as we bombed Kosovo for weeks on end, as bombs rained down in the Serbian city of Belgrade .... WHERE WERE THE PROTESTS? When our last President stood before you, and announced a policy of regime change in Serbia, as we began that action WITHOUT UNITED NATIONS APPROVAL --- even as the French predictably protested -- WHERE WERE YOU? As civilians in Kosovo and Serbia died so that we could remove a despot - where were you? Had SERBIA attacked us at some point? Did Milosevic provide weapons to terrorists? I assume he must have .... because if not, WHERE WERE YOU?

And perhaps most of all, when that last President, acting properly and courageously, announced a policy against Iraq in 1998 almost IDENTICAL to that of the current administration - WHERE WERE YOU? As the bombs fell in Baghdad during Operation Desert Fox --- WHERE WERE YOU?

Time after time after time after time ..... where were you? Where was your hatred, your bitterness, your self-righteousness ..... where were your signs and marches and rants? Where were you? Where were you when it mattered -- where were you when you could have helped?

Maybe saddest of all --- today, as war begins, a war that would have been quicker and more humane without your mindless displays of partisanship, a war that very well might have been avoided BUT FOR your actions --- WHERE ARE YOU? As your sons and daughter, fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, march into battle today -- whether that action is right or wrong -- where are you when they need you? When will the burning flags turn into banners of pride in those who, right or wrong, are doing their very best to keep you safe? Where are the signs of love and pride for those who may give thier lives for your country?

WHERE WERE YOU THEN? WHERE ARE YOU NOW?

Title: Re: Where were you
Post by Slammy on Mar 24^th, 2003, 12:37pm

To answer your question... In 1980 I was a student at UCLA, drinking vast quantities of alcohol, and chasing sorority girls all over the campus. Oh yes, I was also going to class, ;)

Where am I now? Wishing I was back in 1980 as a student at UCLA, drinking vast quantities of alcohol, and chasing sorority girls all over the campus ;D

Slammy 8)

Title: Re: Where were you
Post by jonny on Mar 24^th, 2003, 6:52pm

1980?

On trial for attempted murder.

Got lucky and plea bargined down to A&B with a deadly weapon ;D

.........................jonny

Title: Re: Where were you
Post by 2late on Mar 24^th, 2003, 6:57pm

1980 i was......i dunno ;D ............Jack

Title: Re: Where were you
Post by WendyHowe on Mar 24^th, 2003, 7:03pm

I was at University being chased by people like Slammy (oh those were the days she says wistfully)
Don't know what it says about Brits but we were busy brewing another war then (we won)

Title: Re: Where were you
Post by LadyWitch on Mar 26^th, 2003, 3:11am

GO CAITLAND

I was working for 9 years in drug and alcohol counseling trying to get marines and sailors on the east coast clean and sober long enough to send them out to get killed defending their country while my husband was finishing a 20 year career defending his country. Then one month after my husband retired from the Navy I said goodbye to my first son as he went off to learn to defend his country.

Lighting a candle :'(

Title: Re: Where were you
Post by Slammy on Mar 26^th, 2003, 4:05pm

on 03/24/03 at 19:03:47, WendyHowe wrote:

I was at University being chased by people like Slammy (oh those were the days she says wistfully)
Don't know what it says about Brits but we were busy brewing another war then (we won)

LOL!.. hmmmmm wistfully? we need to talk, Wendy :D

The Falklands War? That was more of a spat than a war! ;D except for the terms "exocet" and "HMS Sheffield", it was a cakewalk!

Slammy 8)

Title: Re: Where were you
Post by TomM on Mar 26^th, 2003, 4:27pm

In 1980? @ the University of Maryland, College Park wishing I was with Slammy. 8)

Did someone mention bong hit? ???

TomM

Title: Re: Where were you
Post by Slammy on Mar 26^th, 2003, 4:37pm

on 03/26/03 at 16:27:50, TomM wrote:

Did someone mention bong hit? ???

Dude! LMAO! Gawd I've got a million funny bong stories from the dorms @ UCLA..... bong water! Yech! It took a 6pak of Lowenbrau and a large pizza to wash it away! nightly! ;D

Then came the pre-final all-nighters with instant coffee and vi-vi-vi-vi-vivivarin!! ;D

Slammy 8)

Title: Re: Where were you
Post by cathy on Mar 26^th, 2003, 4:52pm

on 03/26/03 at 16:27:50, TomM wrote:

In 1980? wishing I was with Slammy. 8)

TomM

LOL....is there something you'd like to share with us Tom.... ??? ;D

Title: Re: Where were you
Post by tanner on Mar 26^th, 2003, 5:38pm

catlind,
thanks for that great post!

i don't care if you wrote it or not ,but i do know it needs to be aired. as far as i can tell the authors facts are all correct and i too want to know where all the protesters, flagburners, treehuggers, and the just plain everyday people that find it neccessary to wait until we NEED solidarity to start spouting their anti american rhetoric

i have been staying away from the board because i am personally having a shi# time and coupled with all the bad news and bad press and idiot protests i am too prone to anger, which i gave up for lent, but....

i just had to say thanks, and send my best wishes to all

tim

Title: Re: Where were you
Post by jonny on Mar 26^th, 2003, 5:58pm

http://fotm.rotten.com/fotm/hat.jpg

After avoiding jail time in 1980 I spent most of that year just tanning all over. This was a time before the "SPF" bullshit so I had think of a way to not burn the good stuff......LMMFAO ;D

...............................jonny :D

BTW: Both hats fit perfect.....LOL

Title: Re: Where were you
Post by cathy on Mar 26^th, 2003, 6:03pm

Catlind...I forgot to say I also thought that was an excellent post... :)

Jonny....I think it's a good idea to keep your head covered in the sun...;D

Title: Re: Where were you
Post by WendyHowe on Mar 26^th, 2003, 6:47pm

Cat's original post did make me think.

Sadly everyone's thoughts have then degenerated into sex, drugs and rock and roll ("It's all my body needs"-Ian Dury, RIP)

Life is so crap at the moment though a bit of memory wallowing and these posts have put a smile on my face. And I haven't even met Slammy or even more frighteningly, Jonny's sombrero pole (You are both bad boys)

Wendy

P.S. Slammy, the Falkland veterans would argue with you! It was a tragedy to lose so many men over so stupid a dispute though. Dearly beloved Maggie did well out of it though. My view is that GB and TB will do the same.

Title: Re: Where were you
Post by suzy617 on Mar 26^th, 2003, 8:00pm

Jonny, happy to see you finally took those socks off. ;D

suzy

Title: Re: Where were you
Post by catlind on Mar 29^th, 2003, 2:26pm

Bumping this for Don's Protestor post

Cat

Title: Re: Where were you
Post by jonny on Mar 29^th, 2003, 2:31pm

on 03/26/03 at 20:00:04, suzy617 wrote:

Jonny, happy to see you finally took those socks off. ;D
suzy

Suz,

Dont ya know only geeks wear socks on the beach?

Socks on the beach.....Sex on the beach....Hmmmmm

Im going to buy some socks....seeya...LOL

.................................jonny

Title: Re: Where were you
Post by Ree on Mar 29^th, 2003, 10:35pm

I was married to a retired Marine Lieutanant at the time and was there through it all ~~~ I never missed a beat. My kids were brought up in it full fledged and voila made them into the soldiers they are today... Great post Cat no one knows... no one remembers... and there are those that dont believe it... love to you Ree