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(Message started by: WendyHowe on Mar 19^th, 2003, 8:46pm)

Title: White Flags already
Post by WendyHowe on Mar 19^th, 2003, 8:46pm

A good start! I know it's early days yet but according to our news, Iraqi soldiers are already waving the white flags and handing themselves over to the US frontline soldiers and we haven't even attacked yet!

Keep on coming, nice comfy cells ready for you.

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by Kcir on Mar 19^th, 2003, 9:03pm

I hope there will be thousands more within the next 24 hours.
;D :o ;D :)

Rick T

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by WendyHowe on Mar 19^th, 2003, 9:11pm

Amendment

We have now attacked. Lets hope that frightens a few more into surrendering

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by WendyHowe on Mar 19^th, 2003, 9:19pm

Last post on this.
Time to stop the demo's and start supporting the men and women out there. Again our news over here is that the UK is officially at war with Iraq. Your president is about to make a statent I think but this is it for us.
Frightening times

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by cootie on Mar 19^th, 2003, 9:31pm

In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends........Pam-Coots-skert-of-this-war-thing

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by WendyHowe on Mar 19^th, 2003, 9:36pm

Cootie

Love the sentiments. I for one am glad that we are with the USA as I think people sometimes forget what a tiny country we are.
I am sure we are giving all the forces we can but it would have been good if a few bigger countries had helped!

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by Charlie on Mar 19^th, 2003, 10:29pm

Your country may be small but history has shown that invasions of Britain aren't a good idea. After all, at one time nearly 1/4 the planet answered to your Island in one way or another.

Charlie

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by WendyHowe on Mar 20^th, 2003, 3:45am

Charlie

True, but now they answer to yours!

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by Ted on Mar 20^th, 2003, 4:14am

"Last post on this.
Time to stop the demo's "

"Your country may be small but history has shown that invasions of Britain aren't a good idea."

"Charlie

True, but now they answer to yours! "

Now that takes real balls, Wendy. You suddenly remind me of the French. "Time to stop the demos"? Let's see. It was the "demos" that over 50 years ago fought tooth and nail against the "repubos" just to get you all the lend-lease act passed. That was not a popular bill here but the "demos" got it for you. But, that wasn't enough. You all still couldn't handle the war so we came in and kicked ass for you. Yup, FDR, a "demo," again, against the wishes of the "repubos," are the ones who sent OUR military in there and lost tens of thousands of soldiers, to turn the tide and save your country. Next time you badmouth the "demos" you might want to throw in a "thank you" too for saving your ungrateful ass when the opposing party fought against it tooth and nail!

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by WendyHowe on Mar 20^th, 2003, 4:27am

The way I see it (and it is a personal view) is that I was all for the demo's if it would have stopped the war as I was not a supporter. Would still be pro-demos' if I thought it would stop it now, but you can put me right here, I don't think once war has been declared and started that any demo's in USA or UK history have stopped anything. Again I'm sure you'll put me right if I am wrong, but the anti-Vietnam demos seemed to us to create only a bitter generation of Vietnam vets and their families, did it actually stop the war?

I now feel for the people fighting and their families as they have no choice any more and just was expressing the view that I see a role now for support for them.

r.e WW2, I'm really asking for an attack from all the USA people but we (and lets face it, the French a bloody sight more so as they were already occupied !) were grateful as although it was also significantly the air Battle of Britain which turned the tide as well at least we are standing side by side with the US now.

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by WendyHowe on Mar 20^th, 2003, 4:30am

Sorry
P.S. I've really no idea what the lend-lease thing is. Can you fill me in?

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by WendyHowe on Mar 20^th, 2003, 4:35am

Charlie

Just had a realisation that in the US demo means democrat.
There has been a case of different countries, different languages here. Demo in the Uk means demonstration, not democrat!

Do you want to disagree?

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by WendyHowe on Mar 20^th, 2003, 4:44am

Ted
Apologies. You and I are the only ones online at the moment and I got your name wrong. Sorry (are you awake because of CH?)

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by Ted on Mar 20^th, 2003, 4:51am

Ahhhh, I'm sorry too. Your country has been the only one faithful to us, for good or bad on our decisions, and that I do respect over anything else. Hell, your own Tony Blair is falling on the sword for our policies and I see no other reason but out of respect for the past. So I do know you Brits are ones to be given respect to. You do have enough of a history to show it's not a matter of being our "poodle." You're a tough breed. You're showing respect here, is what I see it as. And while I'm against this war, I do have a hell of a lot of respect for you all for standing by us when we ask.
The lend-lease act was during WWII and some in this country wanted to just give you the weapons to fight Hitler. But others here thought that was a bad idea. So we instead passed the lend-lease act. What that did was basically sell you the weapons to fight the Germans but said you could pay it when you could. No hurry. Just pay it off someday.
As for the anti-Nammers? Yes. They are exactly what stopped the war. But this will be too fast of one to stop again, which is good because it means less bloodshed. For that reason alone I haven't joined any anti-war movement. We'll win before any movement can change things so keep the dissent to just conversations and not to where it can affect the morale of our troops.

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by Ted on Mar 20^th, 2003, 4:56am

You meant demonstrators? Great. Now I REALLY proved my a$$holeness. Oh well, if it wasn't here I'd surely do it somewhere else. :-)
I'd blame it on the angst-filled days of war but if you've been following the board to any degree you'd know I'm just an a$$hole no matter what. :-)

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by WendyHowe on Mar 20^th, 2003, 5:04am

As we say here, 'You are a gent'.

What really does piss me off though (not a rational thought I am fully aware, but it happens at times like this when we get jingoistic) is that TWICE we lost huge numbers of our small population- i.e. most familes lost at least one son, often all of them, when defending the French against the Germans. All they seem to have done ever since is give the Uk a hard time. Some allies!!!
The USA was fighting mainly to free France from oppression and occupation, but at the same time saved miilions more of the British dying as well. Who knows what would have happened at the D Day landings if the USA hadn't been there with us. We probably would have been able to prevent ourselves being invaded, but France would have been stuffed.

There is a similarity in viewpoints between the UK and the USA here- we hate to see people oppressed and will wade in and fight for them, even if it is not the best thing for our country. You can at least say this about Tony Blair and George Bush, they are very principled men with strong views about morality (???religious similarities??)
As Jonny says, I think TB and GB will be OK when it is all over but TB is facing real trouble now as we are now having huge "demo's" here and planned civil disobedience

Thank you for putting me right about Vietnam. It is just how it was portrayed over here (Hollywood mostly I expect)

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by Ted on Mar 20^th, 2003, 5:20am

No kidding? I always wanted to vist England but I didn't know you all heard of me, and moreover, you're all calling me a "gent."
Well, why are you surprised that the French crap on you, no matter what the circumstances? You, they've always been at war with, since the olden days before we existed, literally. They never got over your kings telling them their cheese sucks and they need to shower more often. With us it's they never got over that they're not only not a superpower, while we are, but we make a conscious effort to shower. Again, I'm against this war but the French are for their own selfish reasons and I'd say piss on them, but the odor wouldn't change.

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by WendyHowe on Mar 20^th, 2003, 5:27am

I was defending the French on this site a few weeks ago and trying to be the voice of reason! Wouldn't now.
Love what you posted, couldn't say it better.

You should come to England. It really is a lovely country. I loved visiting America too and will do so again as soon as I can.
Look us up if you do come to the UK (or would I regret saying that? Are you housetrained?) Lots to see even if we are small. It's actually sunny here at the moment too.

Talking of which, signing off now with a 'Good Morning America!' as real life and a three year old monster child are calling.

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by Ted on Mar 20^th, 2003, 5:35am

on 03/20/03 at 05:27:44, WendyHowe wrote:

Lots to see even if we are small.

I can't tell you how many women rejected me for saying just that same thing!

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by Charlie on Mar 20^th, 2003, 6:38am

Well you guys are right you know. The French are pissed off becuase we know too much about them, and I can imagine what they feel about the Israelis. It took them to blow up the nuclear reactor they sold to Saddam, some years ago. ::)

Those French are so un-American. :D

I want to go to England too, to drink warm beer and marvel at people who now have to pay to drive in London on the wrong side. 8)

Charlie

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by WendyHowe on Mar 20^th, 2003, 11:48am

Charlie
That's REAL ALE you're talking about! Most 'beer' is so tasteless you have to drink it chilled so you don't notice.
Try the brew pub in San Francisco (forgotten the name of it), now they know their beer and how to drink it!

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by Slammy on Mar 20^th, 2003, 2:05pm

on 03/20/03 at 04:51:29, Ted wrote:

As for the anti-Nammers? Yes. They are exactly what stopped the war.

I realize that we are on the opposite ends of the political spectrum, but I think you are misleading when you state that the anti-nammers is what exactly stopped the war. The real reason that the war was stopped was that the government (pre-Nixon) underestimated the level of effort required to "win" the war, and over estimated the strength and cohesiveness of the South Viet Namese government, which was also fraught with corruption.
All the anti-nammers did was divide a nation, and dishonoured those that served in that war. I will not debate the merits of the war, because it was a clusterfuck from the beginning...forget that it was fueled by a "democratic" administration, because I don't think that was the issue. I don't like lumping "hawks" with Republicans and "doves" with democrats, because it isn't that cut and dried. But I do take offense when issues come up and the democrats "Daschle" politicize it. I think it undermines the democrat's credibility when that happens.

Slammy 8)

Title: Re: White Flags already
Post by Charlie on Mar 20^th, 2003, 4:07pm

Why blame only the Democrats?

While you're at it you can blame the French too for Diem Bein Phu :o

Those French really are un-American

Charlie